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Folk Against Fascism

Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 28 Jun 09 - 01:55 PM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 28 Jun 09 - 01:45 PM
GUEST,Tom Bliss 28 Jun 09 - 01:22 PM
Royston 28 Jun 09 - 12:49 PM
Andy Jackson 28 Jun 09 - 05:39 AM
fumblefingers 27 Jun 09 - 10:51 PM
jeddy 27 Jun 09 - 10:12 PM
fumblefingers 27 Jun 09 - 09:46 PM
Rifleman (inactive) 27 Jun 09 - 01:26 PM
Stringsinger 26 Jun 09 - 03:11 PM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 26 Jun 09 - 01:00 PM
Rifleman (inactive) 26 Jun 09 - 12:32 PM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 26 Jun 09 - 12:27 PM
Andy Jackson 26 Jun 09 - 12:04 PM
Rifleman (inactive) 26 Jun 09 - 11:08 AM
Fred McCormick 26 Jun 09 - 06:50 AM
The Sandman 26 Jun 09 - 06:17 AM
Penny S. 26 Jun 09 - 06:03 AM
SPB-Cooperator 26 Jun 09 - 04:19 AM
theleveller 26 Jun 09 - 04:08 AM
Phil Edwards 26 Jun 09 - 03:48 AM
GUEST,Jon 25 Jun 09 - 06:01 PM
Peace 25 Jun 09 - 05:56 PM
Richard Bridge 25 Jun 09 - 05:30 PM
Rifleman (inactive) 25 Jun 09 - 03:34 PM
TheSnail 25 Jun 09 - 02:35 PM
Fred McCormick 25 Jun 09 - 02:31 PM
Royston 25 Jun 09 - 02:16 PM
Phil Edwards 25 Jun 09 - 02:12 PM
Rifleman (inactive) 25 Jun 09 - 12:06 PM
TheSnail 25 Jun 09 - 11:48 AM
Rifleman (inactive) 25 Jun 09 - 11:37 AM
Phil Edwards 25 Jun 09 - 11:33 AM
Rifleman (inactive) 25 Jun 09 - 11:13 AM
jeddy 25 Jun 09 - 10:47 AM
Royston 25 Jun 09 - 08:50 AM
The Sandman 25 Jun 09 - 08:31 AM
theleveller 25 Jun 09 - 05:40 AM
Fred McCormick 25 Jun 09 - 04:46 AM
theleveller 25 Jun 09 - 03:37 AM
SPB-Cooperator 24 Jun 09 - 05:46 PM
treewind 24 Jun 09 - 05:18 PM
Richard Bridge 24 Jun 09 - 05:06 PM
Rifleman (inactive) 24 Jun 09 - 03:26 PM
Rifleman (inactive) 24 Jun 09 - 03:11 PM
Royston 24 Jun 09 - 03:08 PM
Rifleman (inactive) 24 Jun 09 - 02:52 PM
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 01:55 PM

Once there is an FaF organisation properly sorted, I'll become a real human member with name and address and DNA if necessarily available to those who actually need to know.

Richard Bridge uses his own name and photograph - and the spam on Facebook is now using err his name and photograph. Lots of people now have to be advised that Richard Bridge isn't a BNP supporter and pervert..

Meanwhile I'm not going to feel pressured into doing anything different on a chat forum like this, because of annoying spamming on another site I'm not even a member of.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 01:45 PM

Just to confirm that lots of people on Mudcat and on the folk scene can vouch for Royston.

What's important is that the BNP (presumably) strategy of imitating Mudcat ID's is ignored as far as possible - *apart from* advising the Facebook Admin, or relevant parties by PM of course. Its purpose is to generate division and doubt.

Thus it's not in our interest to discuss such matters here IMO - as it'll obviously only encourage more of the same... Before giving any credence to the spamming, better to clear up any identity doubts or confusions, via PM to admin or other known reliable members IMO.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: GUEST,Tom Bliss
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 01:22 PM

I'm sorry to bring another contentious issue into this already muddled and tetchy debate, but Royston raises a very important point.

Folk Against Fascism is nothing if not a struggle for truth.

Am I alone in finding it, err, ironic that so many here are standing up to be counted - in disguise?

If ever there was a case for real names in real situations this is it.

Please people - disagree about details by all means, but don't use that disagreement to cast the other guy as your enemy.

Face The Front, ok?


Please

Tom Bliss


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Royston
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 12:49 PM

Well Rifleman, Crow Sister knows me personally as do many of the UK contingent here, Richard Bridge has known me 25 years. I have the intelligence and wit not to be on bookface in any way shape or form whatever - real or assumed identities. My political credentials are impeccable. Royston is my name. WTF are you?


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 05:39 AM

Just thought I'd refresh as it's been a bit quiet on here and fumblefingers put it all in a nutshell for any new viewers.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: fumblefingers
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 10:51 PM

Jeddy,

Thanks


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 10:12 PM

basically F.F, the BNP are bully boys who have started wearing suits and ties in order to get respectibilty in UK politics.

they hate all minorities, the biggest hate being people of colour.
they think that white english are the best peoples ever to walk the earth and think if this country was all white, all our troubles would be over.

pretty much every member has been arrested for either violence or incitment of racial hatred.

they have many firm links with the KKK, combat 18 and the national front, all of which are extremely violent.

NOW they are TRYING to say that by supporting traditional ENGLISH/BRITISH folk music that we must all think like them.... UTTER BULSHIT!!! but hey, thats why we love 'em!!

hope this helps as a shortcut to any new people joining us, as it takes SO long to read 600 odd posts.

take care all

jade x x


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: fumblefingers
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 09:46 PM

What exactly is BNP and what does it profess? Is this new movment for uncontrolled immigration by third world nationals or what?


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 01:26 PM

"The Royston character is a sound guy"

Hate to disappoint you, Crow Sister, I've advised through a Mudcat PM, that a poster on the FaF facebook site has been posting as "Rifleman Royston", and this AFTER I questioned the sincerity of the poster to this thread, Royston.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Stringsinger
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 03:11 PM

I suspect the BNP will never cross the pond. Of course, we have our own problems over here.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 01:00 PM

Fair enough.
The Royston character is a sound guy. That's why I piped up.
But we do need to be alert to trolling and fraudulent ID's.
It's worth considering that the 'nice' folk scene we enjoy, won't be that way forever if the BNP gain a foothold amongst us...


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 12:32 PM

Sorry that WAS me, cookieless for a brief period. and I stand by what I say.....nothing but discussion you say..oh dearie dearie me...

My suspicions of this Royston remain as they are.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 12:27 PM

Likewise, this "Guest" character, seems err just that..
He/It appears to be presuming some understanding of Riflemans experience, in order to instigate division, where nothing but discussion is occuring?


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 12:04 PM

up to 666 the sign of the devil!!!


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 11:08 AM

"Once it does that, it can be destroyed from within."
Oh for godsakes stop dreaming!


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 06:50 AM

"Hilarious story in the Western Mail."

I really dug the reader's comment at the end of that piece.

"So Nick Griffin thinks that 'there's no such thing as a black Welshman', does he? That pretty much leaves out all those who worked down the pit, then."


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 06:17 AM

I was hoping we might be able to talk to MBS GEORGE[The BNP candidate for Chippenham],she started by making an announcement of her political views,and then refused to discuss her views,a sure sign of intellectual bankruptcy.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Penny S.
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 06:03 AM

After reading about the Steadfast Trust, and the Anglo Saxons, I am wondering about a group called "an gesithas engliscas" I came across at Tenterden many years ago. There was a local man who dressed up and lectured, accompanied by his wife, whose costume looked more Hollywood than authentic, and I was interested, but did not attend, and then decided not to when I saw that their aim was to "preserve the Anglo-Saxon way of life" which rang bells that did not alert me to re-enactment and such like.

I wonder what the Boys Brigade thinks about the use of steadfast - I know they spell it differently.

I would be very suspicious about Odinism - there used to be a book in my local library about it, or rather the origin of races, put in their proper locations by the will of Odin, emphasising that they should stay there. It was self published in typescript, and I used to slip it down the back of the stack whenever I saw it. It was filed in the science section, close to to the book proving the Colorado Canyon was the prodect of the Noachian Flood.

Penny


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 04:19 AM

THe problem with the 'legal' aspect is that unless it is kept under scrutiny, slice by slice the underlying nastiness will be given ligitimacy, i.e. without the 'legal' bit, the BNP are no more than a collection of racist, neo-nazi/fascist thugs.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: theleveller
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 04:08 AM

Royston, I understand what you are saying and have total sympathy with your aims. With the best will in the world, however, I really don't think it is going to happen. Even if you could take over the 'democratic' processes of the BNP, these people would still exist and peddle their filth. The BNP is the 'legal' iceberg of the racist movement – a much bigger portion exists below the surface.

I can draw an analogy with something I have been involved in trying to stamp out: foxhunting/dog fighting/ badger baiting. Pretty much the same people are involved in all these activities and whilst it is easy to protest about the first – the public face of a bloodthirsty brigade - and engage in public debate, it is very dangerous to try to infiltrate the organisations that control the other two aspects. Like the racists, they are violent in the extreme, seem often to escape the law and are highly organised. Believe me, it would take some guts to infiltrate the inner core of the racist movement (although I'm sure it is being done) and then there has to be a very clear agenda and plan of action.

The BNP is where the racist boil erupts and the pus emerges to the surface – and can be dealt with. Without that, the infection could spread even more virulently.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 03:48 AM

Hilarious story in the Western Mail.

One element of the BNP's defence against race relations legislation is that its constitution doesn't actually bar non-whites - it's a party for " persons of a particular racial group defined otherwise than by reference to colour", to use the language of the 1976 Act.

Here's Nick Griffin on Channel Four News: "Our legal counsel says that it is very clear that we are a Section 25/ Section 26 exempted organisation because we are here for specific ethnic groups.

"It is nothing to do with 'white'. We are really talking here about the English, the Scots, the Irish and the Welsh, collectively the people who are ethnically British."

He was asked if that meant a Black Welshman could join, to which he replied:

"There is no such thing as a black Welshman. You can have a black Briton; you can't have a black Welshman."

Nothing to do with 'white', eh? Really, the BNP couldn't have a better leader.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:01 PM

Peace, I hate the way the BNP and "BNP-lite" political groups are insinuating their vile ideals into people's conciousness by pretending to represent the British people. I love Britain and am proud to be British, but I can't, in any way, equate that with being racist or anti-Europe. I'm as proud to be British as I am proud to be European, or a member of the human race.
By co-opting English (let's face it - the BNP don't even care about the Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish) traditions as their own they hope to con the British public into thinking that the BNP aren't a racist, fascist, bigoted, hateful organistation. The sad thing is, the British public are falling for it. 1 in 10 of voters is 1 too many. The recent European elections shows their sympathisers are more than 1 in 10.
Failure of the main political parties should be no excuse for people to resort to supporting fascists. That's just so way beyond sad, it's criminal.
Stand up to fascism, wherever you see it...you'll never be wrong.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Peace
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 05:56 PM

Are we back to this "let's talk with them" bullshit? Keriste. You think you can reason with Nazis? WAKE UP!


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 05:30 PM

Rifleman, look at the big picture. If the BNP wishes to have the benefits of being treated as a "political party", it must comply with the law. Once it does that, it can be destroyed from within.

To borrow your phrase, walk a mile in Royston's moccasins.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 03:34 PM

Royston, lead the way and sign up...lead by example I believe the phrase is, except don't expect me to join you.

"I've said this once already but I'll try again. The BNP is not a democracy"

Yeah we heard you the first time! Some are good a saying but not much good at doing.

I prefer the doing part, but without all the hysteria.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: TheSnail
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 02:35 PM

BNP democracy in action.

Is that the sort of debate you want to sign up for?


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 02:31 PM

"The membership pays their dues therefore the membership has the right to make policy."

I've said this once already but I'll try again. The BNP is not a democracy. It is an autocracy in that, irrespective of the democratic wishes of the membership, the person who ultimately decides what goes is Nick Griffin.

In any event, even if we infiltrated the BNP, which must be somewhat akin to climbing down a sewer while it's being used, and changed it, the hard core of fascists would simply leave and set up something else just as nasty.

The only way to drive the BNP out of existence is to make the people they claim to represent realise just what they're dealing with; a nasty bunch of totalitarian fascists, who are hell bent on finishing off the job which Hitler started.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Royston
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 02:16 PM

Rifleman;

"The membership pays their dues therefore the membership has the right to make policy."

That is exactly my point. Get the membership opened up, the anti-fascist / racist movement is standing ready to join up en masse and then democracy will take its course. There is nothing dictatorial about this - it is simple democracy.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 02:12 PM

Until guilt has been proven, innocence must be pressumed, regardless.

It's not exactly Sherlock Holmes. Griffin claims that the 1976 law doesn't apply to the BNP because it's a "membership association" as defined in clause 26 of the legislation. However, what clause 26 says is that the exemption applies

if the main object of the association is to enable the benefits of membership (whatever they may be) to be enjoyed by persons of a particular racial group defined otherwise than by reference to colour

In other words, to claim exemption Griffin has got to argue that the main object of the BNP is to give its members the benefits of membership - not to give other people the (debatable) benefits of being governed by them.

To go back to my shoplifting example, if I see someone cut off a security tag and walk out without paying, I don't need to await the outcome of a court case to conclude that that person's broken the law - and if they told me it was OK because they belonged to the British Shoplifting Party, I'd conclude that their party was working on the wrong side of the law. The evidence that the BNP, collectively, is on the wrong side of race relations law is really hard to ignore.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 12:06 PM

"Until guilt has been proven."

as individuals members have been found guilty of crimes against the stae, in some cases prior to the founding of the BNP.

Are they guilty of anything as a collective entity(the BNP)? Nothing has been proven as of yet, therefore.

Until guilt has been proven.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: TheSnail
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 11:48 AM

Rifleman

Until guilt has been proven

Proven many times.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 11:37 AM

"but that it may be illegal."
Until guilt has been proven, innocence must be pressumed, regardless.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 11:33 AM

The membership pays their dues therefore the membership has the right to make policy.

Sounds reasonable, but imagine this:

RULE 42. Any member of this Party shall have the right to remove goods from any retail outlet of their choosing without making payment, and without being penalised for this.

No concern of anyone but the members?

The point at issue with regard to the BNP's Constitution is exactly the same - not that we don't think it's very nice, but that it may be illegal.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 11:13 AM

"However, they will not be permitted to remain a political party without having an open membership policy and a democratic structure. That's fair enough isn't it?

Oh won't they? this sound very dictatorial to me. Are you going to be the first to sign up with the BNP and start 'making changes from within'? Because unless you are you have little or no say in the whys and wherefores of ANY politcal entity. The membership pays their dues therefore the membership has the right to make policy.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 10:47 AM

royston, i agree that the BNP should be allowed to hbold whatever views they wish. i just wish they would be open and honest about what they believe. then we could keep an eye on them knowing that vunerable people would not get caught up in their lies.

but they know that if they did that they would lose alot of support!! so they won't.

the only thing we can do is keep taking them on in a resonable way and pointing out to others that what you see is not what you get.

take care all

jade x x


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Royston
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 08:50 AM

Theleveller,

We are not proposing to push the BNP underground or to silence its members. If they are going to be a representative political party (they now have MEP's!!) then we will ensure they have a fair and open membership policy and the party will be driven and directed by the democratic will of those members.

Now if BNP'ers want to maintain their "white purity" message then they are free to organise as an "Association of White Supremacists" (or any other name of their choosing) and on that basis they may even warrant exemption from the Race Relations Act. However, they will not be permitted to remain a political party without having an open membership policy and a democratic structure. That's fair enough isn't it?


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 08:31 AM

unfortunately MBSGEORGE,refused to enter into a discussion.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: theleveller
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 05:40 AM

"That however does not stop us from organising against them, or exposing them as a bunch of liars and hypocrites. Anyone who saw Griffin being interviewed by a Sky News reporter, on the night of his election victory, will have seen one great fat white git being tied up in knots, because he couldn't admit the contradictions which exist between their supposedly moderate stance and the reality of the programme they put forward."

Absolutely! Bring this vermin out from under their stones and watch them shrivel in the heat and light of proper scrutiny.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 04:46 AM

SPB. I doubt that Griffin's comments could be legally interpreted as incitement - unfortunately. All he's saying (ostensibly) is that he condemns the harrassment but understands the reasons.

Leveller. "If we truly believe in free speech, even an organisation as rank as the BNP has to be allowed the opportunity to put forward its opinions. But – and here's the caveat – as I quoted on another thread, from John Stuart Mill , "No one pretends that actions should be as free as opinion".

We have to be careful here. To external appearances at any rate, the BNP is a legal political party which brings with it the trappings of constitutionality. Provided they stay within the law, there is nothing we can or should do to stop them. That however does not stop us from organising against them, or exposing them as a bunch of liars and hypocrites. Anyone who saw Griffin being interviewed by a Sky News reporter, on the night of his election victory, will have seen one great fat white git being tied up in knots, because he couldn't admit the contradictions which exist between their supposedly moderate stance and the reality of the programme they put forward.

I'd love to see Griffin on Question Time. The rest of the panel would make mincemeat of him.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: theleveller
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 03:37 AM

"dream on, it isn't going to happen"

I have to agree with Rifleman, there. Anyway, it would only drive them underground. It's better that their views are out in the open so that they can be constantly countered, challenged and refuted, as is happening from movements like FAF and many others.

If we truly believe in free speech, even an organisation as rank as the BNP has to be allowed the opportunity to put forward its opinions. But – and here's the caveat – as I quoted on another thread, from John Stuart Mill , "No one pretends that actions should be as free as opinion".

I believe, probably optimistically, that the current apparent increase in the popularity of the BNP is simply due to temporary discontent with other political parties, with the result that people feel disenfranchised and so vote for minority parties. This doesn't mean, of course, that we should be any less vigilant or diligent in countering these racists at every opportunity.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 24 Jun 09 - 05:46 PM

Re: Nick Griffins comments with regards to attacks on Romanians.

I have just spoken to the police regrading post 24th June 5:26am.

In my opinion this looks like incitement, particularly in respaect of the generalisations.

If there is a verifiable and provable source of the comments, then this should be reported to local police stations.

So please provide verifiable source of the information sop that as many people as possible can independantly press for criminal proceedings to be instigated.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: treewind
Date: 24 Jun 09 - 05:18 PM

"The lists of preferences exposes them as dilettante opportunists."

Well yes, but would we expect anything different?

They are desperate to exploit anything they can, but it's got to have some popular appeal or it won't suit their purpose.

A.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Jun 09 - 05:06 PM

Yes, but if the BNP was serious about Heritage with a capital H, then it would be into roots white music, not SL, BH and KR. The lists of preferences exposes them as dilletante opportunists.

A far as I'm concerned you can listen to whomsoever you like.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 24 Jun 09 - 03:26 PM

"What, you mean the fact that they like Seth Lakeman, Bellowhead, and Krusby? Deep followers of the real tradition in English music?"

I don't have a problem with the preceding artists, AND Bellowhead do know how to have a good time, unlike some.....

Just because Richard Bridge doesn't like them and just because the Anglo Saxon Foundation mention them, doesn't mean I'm going to stop listening to them, along with The Copper Family, Lizzie Higgins, The Brazil Family, Oak, Tiger Moth, The Band etc..etc..


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 24 Jun 09 - 03:11 PM

"But seriously...."

dream on, it isn't going to happen


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Royston
Date: 24 Jun 09 - 03:08 PM

Rifleman, I kinda like dreaming...

But seriously, the CRE letter is the opening gambit in a well planned series of actions which will open up the BNP membership and neuter it from the inside. I'm in a position to know...not that my anti-fascist and trade-unionist colleagues are wanting to hide it, there are no secrets here!


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 24 Jun 09 - 02:52 PM

"As soon as the unlawful exclusions are removed (as I assume the BNP will feel forced to comply with the law, wishing not to be proscribed), then all fair-minded people of all flesh-tones can join and vote at AGM to close it down or reform it totally - The British Floral Party or something harmless."

dream on, it isn't going to happen


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 24 Jun 09 - 02:44 PM

Royston. Thanks for clarifying that point. It is gut wrenching hypocrisy for the BNP to claim exemption from sections 26 and 27 on the grounds of discrimination.

Re. the question of fair minded people joining. My guess is that an application from anyone they didn't like would just get lost in the bureaucracy. Either that, or they'd take your subscription fee and forget to get back in touch.

Also, my understanding is that the BNP isn't a democracy. Rather, although they have elections and votes, the Great Fat Whit Git has ultimate control over everything which transpires within the organisation. So votinmg to close it down would get nowhere.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Royston
Date: 24 Jun 09 - 12:48 PM

Re: The National Black Police Association

The membership is open to anyone who supports the aims of the association; which is to advocate and advance the interests of black and minority ethnic police officers. It is exempt from certain provisions of the race relations act because it is clearly stated to be an voluntary association to support and speak for a minority ethnic interest.

The Race Relation Act exemptions are there to provide safe spaces for minority interests, I see nothing wrong with this.

The same cannot be said of a political party (BNP or any other) which seeks the power, by democratic means, to impose its will over the entire populous. Such a group must, as a democratic necessity, be open to all members of the electorate over which it seeks power.

At present the BNP mebership criteria excludes any consituent who is not white-skinned. This is intolerable.

As soon as the unlawful exclusions are removed (as I assume the BNP will feel forced to comply with the law, wishing not to be proscribed), then all fair-minded people of all flesh-tones can join and vote at AGM to close it down or reform it totally - The British Floral Party or something harmless.

I can't wait.

Now I think on it, why should all fair-minded white-skinned people not join tomorrow, outnumber the existing membership and sort the whole wretched lot out?


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 24 Jun 09 - 11:20 AM

I was listening to some music by that truly great, but very underated, English composer Samuel Coleridge-Taylor(1875-1912

"He called himself an Anglo-African and fought against race prejudice all his short life."
100 Great Black Britons


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