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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 10 Jul 09 - 11:00 AM Actually SoH's "Roots" is interesting, as it has (?) been adopted as some kind of right-wing volk anthem, hasn't it? |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Phil Edwards Date: 10 Jul 09 - 10:29 AM Show of Hands have disgraced themselves with their anti-BNP rhetoric All of a sudden I like Show of Hands... |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Gervase Date: 10 Jul 09 - 09:49 AM I see the fascists have taken notice - here. I had to smile at the tortured thinking behind this quote: Even though Show of Hands have disgraced themselves with their anti-BNP rhetoric, no "British" Asian or Black "British" could ever write a song such as "Roots." |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Ruth Archer Date: 10 Jul 09 - 04:38 AM Crow Sister: yes. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 10 Jul 09 - 04:17 AM Well "Webpage in progress". |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 10 Jul 09 - 04:14 AM Is this legit? FaF Website |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Richard Bridge Date: 10 Jul 09 - 04:05 AM Refresh, just to wind Joe up.
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Royston Date: 08 Jul 09 - 07:13 PM Donuel, That a country back in 1776 would grant first ammendment rights tp its citizens is virtually a miracle You are right, Donuel. Too easy to be cynical and the vision of the founding fathers was nothing short of miraculous. It doesn't only speak to Americans, we all need to be upset that we have, collectively, never lived up to it. An American patriot once said that modern day America was "The last and greatest betrayal of the last and greatest of human dreams" This was not to denigrate USA, it was meant as a wake-up call. You have to have dreams. I hope Obama has shoulders broad enough to carry all our expectations. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Royston Date: 08 Jul 09 - 07:06 PM People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought, which they seldom use. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Emma B Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:29 PM In the United Kingdom, the Public Order Act 1986 prohibits, by its Part 3, expressions of racial hatred. "Racial hatred" is defined as hatred against a group of persons by reason of the group's colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins. Section 18 of the Act says: A person who uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or displays any written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting, is guilty of an offence if— (a) he intends thereby to stir up racial hatred, or (b) having regard to all the circumstances racial hatred is likely to be stirred up thereby. Offences under Part 3 carry a maximum sentence of seven years imprisonment or a fine or both. The United States federal government and state governments are broadly forbidden by the First Amendment of the Constitution from restricting speech Even in cases where speech encourages illegal violence, instances of incitement qualify as criminal only if the threat of violence is imminent. This strict standard prevents prosecution of many cases of incitement, including prosecution of those advocating violent opposition to the government, and those exhorting violence against racial, ethnic, or gender minorities. Not many times I can honestly say I'm so glad to be British! |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Donuel Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:21 PM That a country back in 1776 would grant first ammendment rights tp its citizens is virtually a miracle. It troubles me that the UK seems to have its free speech rights being eroded |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Rifleman (inactive) Date: 08 Jul 09 - 04:38 PM first amendment rights are American only and don't apply world-wide |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Donuel Date: 08 Jul 09 - 04:28 PM I am satisfied with the definition of fascist as any person or group that actively seeks to deny the first amendment rights to individuals, the nation or the world. In 2004 I yelled that there was a fire in the theatre of our nation and my dear new neighbors did the following: challened my right to vote twice resulting in my casting 2 provisional ballots Filed 10 IRS forms 3949 alleging we had not filed taxes in 10 years resulting in many hours and dollars proving our innocence. Called our house between 2 AM and 4:30 AM over 450 times resulting in having the police trace their nearly untracable numbers. Filed 2 unsubstantiated charges of child abuse against my wife and I resulting in an appearance at a hearing 7 months after the allegations and families not allowing our children to play with thiers. The sudden and complete disappearence of my website of 7 years resulting in a loss of my illustrated book of my poems and songs. eggs thrown at the house, urination on the door, fire set in yard and profanities written on signs. Their whispering campaign regarding my family was full throated and loud enough for me to hear from our windows. I was physically detained by one neighbor insisting that if I did not condone his gay bashing group I would be considered an enemy of God. There was also a despicable incident with him regarding my 4 year old son. There were other cowardly and juvenile acts committed against us but they have now seemed to have stopped as we slowly descend into an economic disaster. Mind you most of these are people live a mile outside the beltway and two of them are from the internet, one of which posts here claiming that our experience is all a lie and that I am clinicly paranoid. The first instinct is to shut up and lay low but then fascism begins to grow exponentially stronger as a result. Congress shall make no law to deny free speech... but individuals and religious groups have the above techniques and many other ways to deny certain people from the Constitutional rights our ancestors fought to preserve. If McCain had won the election I am certain that domestic religious terrorism would have been openly waged between American neighbors and not select individuals like physicians and politicians that we still see today. So the last several years have proved to me that the fascist enemy to free speech is not an individual devilish dynastic dictator who wins an election by careful manipulation but is actually the poorly educated religiously motivated neighbors who feel powerfully emboldened whenever they seek to silence the dissenter of "thier real America" or celebrate the brutal torture techniques of the Third Reich. Today these same fascists welcome the detonation of a bin Laden bomb in the USA as the means to once again abbandon the Constitution and inflict total control on our citiaens with themselves in charge. The damage to me and my family in the last five years is real, permanent and ongoing as is the financial rape of my country by a better educated brand of greedy zealots called investment bankers. The bright side is that people like myself are now working for the goverment we deserve instead of settling for whatever is inflicted upon us. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Royston Date: 08 Jul 09 - 01:01 PM On the subject of convictions held by BNP members, it is interesting to look at some of their overseas convictions. The founder of the BNP's Hereford chapter is Lambertus Nieuwhof, a South-African white supremacist and leading member of the AWP, a terrorist group in the old SA run by Eugene Terre-Blanche. He was convicted of planting a 25kg bomb in a primary school in 1992. The bomb failed to go off which is the only reason he got a tragically lenient sentence from an apartheid-era court of 12 months SUSPENDED! He also runs the BNP website/forum and if you want to ask him about it, you can reach him at 101 Crossways, Peterchurch, Herefordshire, HR2 0TG; or by phone on 01981 550888. Nieuwhof's "thing" is advancing white-power by sparking race-war. Hence the plan of his, amongst others, to murder children at a school that "threatened" to go multi-racial. Welcome to the cuddly world of BNP 2009. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Richard Bridge Date: 08 Jul 09 - 03:06 AM A list of criminal convictions of BNP people |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: jeddy Date: 07 Jul 09 - 07:12 AM "Dear Jade, I just spoke to Carrie and Ann, they send their love." who are these people? could you warn them they are being used to make this person seem genuine.if they are real. take care all jade x x |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 06 Jul 09 - 04:19 PM Jade, your spelling is totally pants (mine isn't all that good tbh), but you do make many excellent posts! I hate some of the stroppy spelling/grammar pedantry round here (DoE there, *isn't* an example btw!) so Don't ever change! |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Stringsinger Date: 06 Jul 09 - 04:11 PM I get the point that Ruth presents that this is a local issue and the concentration of protest against the BNP should come from those who really cherish English culture and music. OTOH, there are people here in America who have never heard of the BNP and what they are about. The education has to be extended internationally. Solidarity with others who oppose fascism in every country is important. Arundhati Roy has written recently that the demise of democracy in the world could mean the demise of humanity. Authoritarian autocracy, imperialism, jingoism, pseudo-nationalism all work against our survival as a species. In this way, what the BNP stands for is reflective of a disease that could wipe out populations. For this reason, it is not just a local problem. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: jeddy Date: 05 Jul 09 - 08:21 PM i hadn't even noticed that one!! piss myself laughing, i do check it but hey it works so i will go with it. the parps it is!!! cough splutter and chocking laughter. take care all love jade x x x |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Dave the Gnome Date: 05 Jul 09 - 07:52 PM no i don't tend to read the parpes as there is so much crap in them. Wonderful, Jade. I am not sure if it was intentional but, if I may, I shall use that phrase forever to describe the gutter press. The parpes. Or maybe the parpers. The noise is about right and they make about as much sense as a parp. What a gem:-) DeG (Parp. Noun. Being either the noise a car horn makes or the noise that results from an excess of wind escaping from the nether regions. Depending on your locality, age and/or state of mind Parp - verb. The act of parping. A horn or the other...) |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: jeddy Date: 05 Jul 09 - 07:25 PM ah now i get you.. i know it takes awhile!! LOL yes she is the other one in the picture, she sleeps and i play on here, how romantic are we??? no relation unfortunatly, she sounds like she makes alot of money we could do with a loan around now. i really must get used to this google thing, honestly i would forget my name if i didn't have a tattoo on the back of my hand love and respect jade x x |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Richard Bridge Date: 05 Jul 09 - 06:08 PM Jade you must take that lack up with your other half - who I infer to be the other in your Facebook pic. It's not the fact that Mosely was getting his end away (or at least his rocks off), it's the fact that he has, it seems, an erotic fixation on authoritarianism and he wields a lot of authority on a global scale. BTW, are you any relation to the famous Jade Rose, the Essex "glamour" model? AFAIK your first post as guest was on the 14th May. Wonderful thing, Google. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: jeddy Date: 05 Jul 09 - 04:05 PM no i don't tend to read the parpes as there is so much crap in them. not to mention the frivilous stuff of who is doing whom.. i don't care!!! i cannot read all the old threads it would take up my life!! well i ma addicted to the cat anyway, so it would be even more of my time. i am a mudcat baby and have only been here since early may. apart from the fact they were nazi uniforms why should we care if he was shagging one person or fourteen? unless he was forcing the girls to participate. this is why i don't read the papers, i am more interested in my own(lack of) sex life than someone elses. take care all jade x x x |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Richard Bridge Date: 05 Jul 09 - 03:21 PM Max organised himself a spanking orgy (he was the spankee) with some authoritarian girls in uniform. One had a hidden camera and sold the pix to the News of the World. The News of the world decided to report that the girls were in nazi uniforms and Max sued for invasion of his privacy - and won. Don't you read the papers? It is one of the biggest threats to press freedom for some time - and indeed there was a big thread on it here. He is an authoritarian in a sport of wordlwide economic importance, and I think his relationship with authority is therefore a matter of genuine public importance. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Phil Edwards Date: 05 Jul 09 - 01:46 PM Son of Oswald, for one. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: jeddy Date: 05 Jul 09 - 12:25 PM sorry pc went mad again.. i have only heard the name max mosely. what is his problem? could you fill us in please? cheers jade x x |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: jeddy Date: 05 Jul 09 - 12:22 PM since i am not into F1 |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Richard Bridge Date: 05 Jul 09 - 12:16 PM Strange that F1 racing should have two such flawed characters at its heart (Bernie Ecclestone and Max Mosely). |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: jeddy Date: 05 Jul 09 - 08:42 AM he may have run his country into ruin, but look what he accomplished on a global scale!! he was an absolute monster. evil personified,BUT when you watch the footage, he was adored????????? i really don't understand how anyone could have thought he was worthy of such worship, or how they could do the things they did. i think it is a good job that the BNP has no one in charge that can produce that kind of frenzy, there are nutters in this world who are willing to go even further than they did, if they were brought together under such a charismatic leader i dread to think of the consequences!! it is our duty to decent folks everywhere to stop this happening. this is why we have all joined FaF in the first place. this is OUR country, OUR music AND OUR history, we will not allow it to be used for hatred and discrimination. it was built on cooperation and tolerance and long may it stay that way!!!!! take care all jade x x x |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Phil Edwards Date: 05 Jul 09 - 06:05 AM i think you cannot disagree with that. he managed to get people to do the most horrendous things. Bizarrely enough, Bernie Eccleston's comments about Hitler are flat wrong (as well as grossly offensive) - Hitler was an incredibly inefficient leader (and personally a very lazy man), who deliberately fostered competition and duplication of effort throughout the government. The only thing he was good at was being a charismatic figurehead, specifically one who could make people feel that viciousness & brutality were noble. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Richard Bridge Date: 05 Jul 09 - 03:34 AM 800 |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Cats Date: 05 Jul 09 - 03:05 AM We are all sitting at our computers [me included] joining in this discussion and looking at the list of contributors so far it would make a bloody good line up for a festival. Anyone got a field big enough? That would be something positive, a proper FAF festival with a huge range of acts, crafts and lemonade from our Sal before she gives up. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: jeddy Date: 04 Jul 09 - 11:22 PM what does everyone make of the comments of bernie ecelston(?) "hilter was a man who got things done" i think you cannot disagree with that. he managed to get people to do the most horrendous things. it shows that if the BNP ever find someone with that much influenceand force of personality to represent them, we could be in for a serious battle. so lets band together now to make sure that doen't happen. take care all jade x x x |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Rifleman (inactive) Date: 04 Jul 09 - 04:51 PM From: Cobble Date: 02 Jul 09 - 07:49 PM What a waste of a thread, if people had got off their fat back sides it could have been different, so don't pick on people that did vote they at least went to the polling station and did what people fought for, for many years, THE RIGHT TO VOTE FOR WHO THEY WANTED. Cobblers And which conflict did you fight in to make all this possible? I didn't quite catch that bit. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Richard Bridge Date: 04 Jul 09 - 04:01 PM Ah, VT, I'm glad you said that. It's time to bring back one of the all-time great Mudcat phrases, that fits the BNP to a tee! Broke-dick mamalucca! |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Gervase Date: 04 Jul 09 - 03:27 PM Meanwhile, no news from MBS George, the midwife of FAF. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: VirginiaTam Date: 04 Jul 09 - 11:54 AM They got me and TheSilentOne too. Facebook has been contacted with request to take them down. What an utter twiddledick this guy is. Well assuming it is a guy. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Rifleman (inactive) Date: 04 Jul 09 - 11:17 AM "Ah, Rifleman. Is "Rifleman Royston" on FaF you?" You'd like to thinks so, Bridge, but I hate to disappoint you (no I don't), but I can't even be bothered signing in using my own name, which is what I used on facebook, let alone wasting my time, using an alias. Besides which, I've come to the conclusion that I honestly don't care if someone uses my mudcat name, that's all whoever it is knows about me, and it's the least important part of my life. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: The Barden of England Date: 04 Jul 09 - 03:59 AM Royston - they're trying to get to me now. Does it bother me? NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST. And I'll repeat - MORE POWER TO FOLK AGAINST FASCISM!! (I'll shout it out loud and clear). John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Royston Date: 04 Jul 09 - 03:43 AM John B What tawdry little nazis they really are Quoted for the truth!!! |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: jeddy Date: 03 Jul 09 - 10:47 PM sorry should have said it is the june tabour song oops j x x |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: jeddy Date: 03 Jul 09 - 10:45 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV6xiU4XyoM this is one song i will not let them corrupt!!! take care all jade x x |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Richard Bridge Date: 03 Jul 09 - 06:19 PM Ah, Rifleman. Is "Rifleman Royston" on FaF you? |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: The Barden of England Date: 03 Jul 09 - 04:58 PM I see that FaF has got the BNP (and the imposter 'Hoff') so worried that they need to send this stuff out in PM's. What tawdry little nazis they really are. All the more power to FaF. John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Rifleman (inactive) Date: 03 Jul 09 - 04:03 PM Jade, carry on posting as you do, indeed by constantly referring to the BNP and its acolytles, you may get a reaction. You know the old saying, "give someone enough rope and they'll hang themselves" Keep up the good work, Jade! :-) Charlie ;-) |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Royston Date: 03 Jul 09 - 01:30 PM Jade, You should stop, please, referring to the Bookface and craptube nonsense by the BNP because whether you mean to or not, it is the discussion of it here which is rewarding the perpetrators. Just ignore them, they are not worth it. If anyone is concerned about impersonation then that person must report it quietly to Bookface / Craptube themselves and not engage in any discussion about impersonation with anyone that they do not know in the real, flesh and blood world. This childish nonsense has taken too much of good people's time and effort and we need to force a stop to it now, methinks, by cutting off its oxygen-supply. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: jeddy Date: 03 Jul 09 - 11:25 AM there are two reasons i have posted the messages i get 1) i like them so much i want to share my laughter and contemp with you all. 2) if it will help identify the culprit, who obviously knows more about you lot than i do. i may know a few of you in the real world but i have only figured out a couple, the rest of you, (without wishing to sound rude) i have no idea! you could be my next dorr nieghbour for all i know. whoever you are and where evr you live , i hope you all have a great day/evening take care all jade x x |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Rifleman (inactive) Date: 03 Jul 09 - 11:14 AM Well, it appears the BNP and/or it's acolytes have scored some points, they have everyone talking about who is who or who is not who, whichever the case maybe, instead of discussing and planning strategy against the BNP. "as long as I gaze on Waterloo Sunset, I am in paradise" Charlie |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Jeri Date: 03 Jul 09 - 09:54 AM Content YOU put up on Facebook is considered intellectual property and it's against ToS to steal somebody's stuff, including photos. Apparently, this fuckwit has multiple identities. If I were you, I'd report it to Facebook. The worst they can do is ignore you. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism From: Richard Bridge Date: 03 Jul 09 - 09:45 AM Interesting that they have dug back far enough into my Mudcat posts to discover that my father was nicknamed "Dick" Bridge. But they have overlooked that like my father, my "fork and knife" is dead, so if I had recently been eating a Ruby with her their words would be of even less concern! Anyone who knew her may be able to imagine the words she wuld have had for them... What very silly people. |
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