BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Midchuck
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 04:13 PM

Every time you point out to a fundamentalist "Christian" specific statements made in scripture by Jesu ben Joseph, which directly contradict the fundamentalist's position, he will say "The Devil can quote scripture for his own purposes. Every single damn time.

Every time a conventional liberal OR conventional conservative wants to shut down a media outlet for taking political positions that he doesn't agree with, the reference to "shouting 'Fire' in a crowded theater" is brought up.

Can't we get some new buzz lines?

Peter.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 03:51 PM

It's not at all difficult to prove facts. Anyone who can prove that what is being presented as fact by news outlets are not facts, but lies or distortions, can show whether or not the news outlets are presenting propaganda. If it can't be proven as a fact, it shouldn't be presented as "news", or at the very least, it should be very clearly labeled as "opinion".

So for instance, if FOX was stating as fact the idea that Joe the plumber would have more of his money taken from him in taxes if Obama's tax plan was implemented, it would be very easy to show that this was not news but propaganda.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 03:44 PM

above was mine-


reread, no change in MY commnet.

I am pointing out that you did not specify WHO gets to decide what the "TRUTH" is.

Iran has that system- whatever the religous leader says is true.

Is that what you want? Or the suggested government Truth board?

Who gets to decide.


I POINTED OUT THAT YOU HAD SAID

"Of course, all of the other major news outlets need to come into compliance with that concept as well, since they're all a bunch of lying propaganda organs. "


CarolC is entirely correct. ( MY COMMENT)

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 03:40 PM

We have ways of figuring out which organizations are charities for the purpose of having tax exempt status. Seems to me we could just as easily have ways of figuring out which organizations are promoting propaganda for the purpose of deciding who can call themselves a News outlet and who can't. I haven't suggested shutting them down. Just don't let them call what they provide "news" if it's easily shown to be propaganda. There are organizations that fact check and monitor the various news outlets for accuracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 03:35 PM

I believe I already said that the other news outlets should also be held to that standard. I would suggest going back and re-reading my post again.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 03:32 PM

Ageism? The man WAS over 80. Heck, I'm 64.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Kent Davis
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 03:04 PM

CaroleC wrote, "Didn't we used to have laws or something that were supposed to make it illegal to pass propaganda off as "news"?"

Yes, we did. Before 1791.

Help me out here. As I understand it....In the 50s, we couldn't trust the government cases against the Rosenburgs or Alger Hiss. In the 60s and 70s, we couldn't trust the government to monitor the Weather Underground, the Black Panthers, the Yippies, or the Symbionese Liberation Army. In the 21st Century, we can't trust the government to run Guantanamo or to monitor overseas calls to suspected terrorists. We can't trust the military. We can't trust the CIA. We can't trust the FBI. We can't trust the Securities and Exchange Commission. We can't trust the FDA to regulate drugs.    We can't trust the FCC on issues of public morality. We can't trust any agency of the government to censor "Kos" or THE NEW REPUBLIC or "AirAmerica" or Michael Moore or Keith Olbermann or Stephen Colbert or CBS or Code Pink or ActUp or Greenpeace or NARAL or even Mudcat. We are to "let a thousand flowers bloom", as Chairman Zedong was wont to say. We are to question authority.

But we CAN trust the FCC to shut down the most popular news organization in the US. Is that it?

Or do we need a new organization to replace the FCC and muzzle the Fox? If so, we need a name for it.

How about "The Star Chamber"?

Kent

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: number 6
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:42 PM

Carol is correct in that they all are in many ways a bunch of lying propaganda organs ... but I certainly wouldn`t trust or want the government in mandating what the media has to say.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:28 PM

"Of course, all of the other major news outlets need to come into compliance with that concept as well, since they're all a bunch of lying propaganda organs. "


CarolC is entirely correct. Lets get a goverment board to decide what is the truth, and make all the media use what it tells them to say.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:12 PM

"If FOX wants to continue to call itself "NEWS", it ought to be held to the standard that there is actually some truth to what it says."


                   Yeah, but so should MSNBC, the NYT, the Washington Post, and a number of other outlets.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: number 6
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:09 PM

You got it LH .... I agree.

We can`t censor every book, TV program, web site because it does not follow our believes and philosphy.

Blaming Fox news as a terrorist organization is in the same category as blaming hard rock Goth (or whatever) music for all teenage suicides or murders.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:07 PM

That's pretty amusing, but also propaganda. Take for instance the Joe the Plumber part. His taxes weren't going to be raised under Obama's tax plan. They were going to be cut significantly under Obama's proposed tax plan.

But hey, don't let the truth stand in the way of the propaganda.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:56 PM

VERY SCARY WHAT IS HAPPENING TO OUR COUNTRY.





Pastor's wife's letter

How's this for apocalyptic literature. This was written by a
pastor's wife in biblical prose as a commentary of current
events. It is Brilliant.



~~~~~~~~~~

And it came to pass in the Age of Insanity that the people of
the land called America , having lost their morals, their initiative,
and their will to defend their liberties, chose as their Supreme
Leader that person known as "The One".


He emerged from the vapors with a message that had no meaning; but
He hypnotized the people telling them, "I am sent to save you.
My lack of experience, my questionable ethics, my monstrous ego,
and my association with evil doers are of no consequence. For I
shall save you with Hope and Change.

Go, therefore, and proclaim throughout the land that he who
preceded me is evil, that he has defiled the nation, and that all he
has built must be destroyed." And the people rejoiced, for even
though they knew not what "The One" would do, he had promised
that it was good; and they believed.
And "The One" said "We live in the greatest country in the world. Help me
change everything about it!"
And the people said, "Hallelujah! Change is good!"

Then He said, "We are going to tax the rich fat-cats." And the
people said "Sock it to them!"
"And redistribute their wealth."   
And the people said, "Show us the money!"
And then He said, "Redistribution of wealth is good for
everybody"



And Joe the plumber asked, "Are you kidding me? You're going to steal my money and give it to the deadbeats??" And "The One" ridiculed and taunted him, and Joe's
personal records were hacked and publicized.



One lone reporter asked, "Isn't that Marxist policy?"
And she was banished from the kingdom!

Then a citizen asked, "With no foreign relations experience and
having zero military experience or knowledge, how will you deal with
radical terrorists?" And "The One" said, "Simple. I shall sit with
them and talk with them and show them how nice we really are; and
they will forget that they ever wanted to kill us all!" And the
people said, "Hallelujah!! We are safe at last, and we can beat our
weapons into free cars for the people!"


Then "The One" said, "I shall give 95% of you lower taxes." And
one, lone voice said, "But 40% of us don't pay ANY taxes." So "The
One" said, "Then I shall give you some of the taxes the fat-cats
pay!" And the people said, "Hallelujah!! Show us the money!"

Then "The One" said, "I shall tax your Capital Gains when you
sell your homes!"    And the people yawned and the slumping housing
market collapsed. And He said, "I shall mandate employer- funded health care for
EVERY worker and raise the minimum wage. And I shall give every
person unlimited healthcare and medicine and transportation to the
clinics." And the people said, "Give me some of that!"

Then he said, "I shall penalize employers who ship jobs
overseas." And the people said, "Where's my rebate check?"

Then "The One" said, "I shall bankrupt the coal industry and
electricity rates will skyrocket!" And the people said, "Coal is
dirty, coal is evil, no more coal! But we don't care for that part
about higher electric rates." So "The One" said, "Not to worry. If
your rebate isn't enough to cover your expenses, we shall bail you
out. Just sign up with ACORN and your troubles are over!"

Then He said, "Illegal immigrants feel scorned and slighted.
Let's grant them amnesty, Social Security, free education, free
lunches, free medical care, bi-lingual signs and guaranteed
housing..." And the people said, "Hallelujah!!" And they made
him King!

And so it came to pass that employers, facing spiraling costs
and ever-higher taxes, raised their prices and laid off workers.
Others simply gave up and went out of business and the economy sank
like unto a rock dropped from a cliff.
The banking industry was destroyed. Manufacturing slowed to a
crawl. And more of the people were without a means of support.

Then "The One" said, "I am the "The One" - The Messiah - and I'm
here to save you! We shall just print more money so everyone will
have enough!" But our foreign trading partners said unto Him, "Wait
a minute. Your dollar is not worth a pile of camel dung! You will
have to pay more..." And the people said, "Wait a minute. That is
unfair!!" And the world said, "Neither are these other idiotic
programs you have embraced. Lo, you have become a Socialist state
and a second-rate power. Now you shall play by our rules!"

And the people cried out, "Alas, alas!! What have we done?" But
yea verily, it was too late. The people set upon "The One" and spat
upon him and stoned him, and his name was dung. And the once mighty
nation was no more; and the once proud people were without
sustenance or shelter or hope. And the Change "The
One" had given them was as like unto a poison that had destroyed
them and like a whirlwind that consumed all that they had built.
And the people beat their chests in despair and cried out in anguish,
"Give us back our nation and our pride and our hope!!" But it was
too late, and their homeland was no more.

You may think this is a fairy tale, but it's not.

It's happening RIGHT NOW !!!

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:53 PM

Yeah, Carol. ;-) Well, to expect that to change at this point would be like expecting all hockey players to play clean and fair and not attempt to injure the players on the other side. Or it would be like expecting all politicians to stop making cynical and opportunistic attacks on their political opponents.

Admirable in theory. Inconceivable in execution.

I've got press clippings my father saved in England during WWII. They're full of laughably innacurate propaganda of the time (with the benefit of hindsight)...all intended to make the Germans look weak, incompetent, and bad in every way...while making the British look heroic, competent, and good in every way.

The German clippings of the time were, I'm sure, even worse.

The point is, they all lied a great deal, ignored some truths and exaggerated others out of all context. It's standard behaviour in politics, business, and war....and also in what we call "the news".

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:34 PM

Didn't we used to have laws or something that were supposed to make it illegal to pass propaganda off as "news"?

That's what we really need. If FOX wants to continue to call itself "NEWS", it ought to be held to the standard that there is actually some truth to what it says. Of course, all of the other major news outlets need to come into compliance with that concept as well, since they're all a bunch of lying propaganda organs.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Alice
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:28 PM

People don't seem to understand that there are many more anti-government types who are like Timothy McVeigh, seething about the incendiary stuff they hear on Fox News and talk radio.

Here is a short reading list for those interested:

Barkun, Michael. Religion and the Racist Right: The Origins of the Christian Identity Movement. Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 1997.

Levitas, Daniel. The Terrorist Next Door: The Militia Movement and the Radical Right. New York: Thomas Dunne Books/St. Martin's Press, 2002.

Noble, Kerry. Tabernacle of Hate: Why They Bombed Oklahoma City. Ontario, Canada: Voyageur Publishing, 1998.

Stock, Catherine. Rural Radicals: From Bacon's Rebellion to the Oklahoma City Bombing. New York: Penguin Books, 1996.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:27 PM

So, any 'news' organization that does not fondle your point of view, whether it's spun or not, is a terrorist organization???????!! Boy!, You guys are further gone into being Fascists than anyone could have imagined!...and yet, you don't see it..because you can't FEEL it...but you are!

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:14 PM

Some of the killers have cited FOX as being a big part of the reason for doing what they did.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Alice
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:02 PM

Examples of Fox News giving a platform for the anti-govt Militias
This is happening where I live. Fox News is being irresponsible in promoting these white supremacists.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Alice
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 12:50 PM

(sp. should be Montana Freemen)

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Alice
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 12:49 PM

The Montana Freeman, now some reorganized into the Militia of Montana is an anti-government group that is like a powder keg here. I have heard people parrot Fox News and Limbaugh both, as justification for their extreme views, which just need a tipping point to turn to violence.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Alice
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 12:44 PM

Bill, I think Olberman on MSNBC did a great job of demonstrating how extreme Fox news is in stirring up people's hatred. I have heard the parroting of Fox from people I work with, and it is scary how extreme and hate filled their views are because they listen to O'Reilley and others on Fox.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: number 6
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 12:37 PM

Alice ... that is an MSNBC clip blasting Fox ... with some exerpts of Fox's loud mouthed Bill O'Reilly expressing is disgust over late term abortions and Dr. Tiller. No where does he expouse an assissnation of of the Doctor. Though I don't believe in Bill O'Rielly's politics or philosphy I do not think self expression of one's views as such should not be condemned. If you ever do watch any of MSNBC's and FOX's news coverage you will be familiar with the rivalry in Politics and expressions between the 2 polarized news networks.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Stringsinger
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 12:34 PM

Fox News has enabled terrorism in the US. There are some such as Shepherd on Fox
who decry the violence that has taken place. People on Fox like him should be encouraged to speak out.

Fox should not be pulled but roundly criticized for their repeated disinformation and polemics. Faux News should be shown for what it is and not supported. If it exists as "free speech" allows, there is no reason to honor or respect it.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 11:55 AM

Watch the ageism, Rapaire!

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Alice
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 11:52 AM

VIDEO Fox News channel, Bill O'Reilly & others instigating hate & violence

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 11:49 AM

People are gonna talk, people are gonna write, and every so often one of the listeners or readers is gonna think that it is HIS (they're usually male) destiny to DO SOMETHING about it.

Saying you don't like the President/Prime Minister/Chancellor of the Exchequer/Pope/Mullah/Landlord/NARAL/NRML/Army/First Sergeant/Rabbi's beliefs/practices is one thing -- killing them (and likely innocents others with them) is quite another.

For the Holocaust Museum NOT to provide protective vests for their guards (as has been reported) is quite unconscionable. For a man over 80 years old to walk in and shoot someone USED to border on the unbelievable.

I wonder how soon we'll experience a shooting in our Library because someone objects to our ownership of books by Louisa May Alcott or Karl Marx or Adolf Hitler or JR Rowling...or the Torah, the Qu'ran, or The Book of Mormon, or the Bible? It's happened elsewhere, you know -- it's just not usually carried on the "news."

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: number 6
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 11:32 AM

Does anyone here watch Fox News?

Besides Sean Hannity I don't see them as anywhere nuttier or anymore dangerous than any other News network.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 10:37 AM

Kent,

Ya see, ol' buddy... This is where we differ... I am a big fan of the 2nd ammendment... But the entire ammendment as it is written... Seems if anyone isn't a big fan it's yer side 'cause they absolutely refuse to accept the entire ammendment...

Now, as for the 1st ammendment... Seems we have a differing view here... I assume you think it's okay to yell "fire" ina crowded theater???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: TIA
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 10:07 AM

By inciting fear and loathing in unstable, violence-prone people.

One small example (of hundreds if not thousands) - a direct quote from Sean Hannity -

"Some things are worth fighting and dying for, and keeping Nancy Pelosi from being Speaker of the House is one of those things".

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Neil D
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 09:41 AM

By marching lock-step with the previous administration in propogating dishonest propaganda which led us into an illegal, immoral and ill-concieved war. Thats one example.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 08:52 AM

"I guess the difference is that the people at FOX are actually getting people killed."


                Carol - How are they doing that?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: kendall
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 08:09 AM

Fox noise is controlled by Rupert Murdock, an alien who wants to buy up as many news outlets as he can which will give him tremendous power to influence the thinking of people who don't think.

Freedom of the press, thought? expression? how about some responsibility to go with that freedom? There is a big difference between freedom and license.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:30 AM

I don't think it's so much that Fox is a terrorist organization themselves....it's that they give aid and comfort to a terrorist organization.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 12:54 AM

I guess the difference is that the people at FOX are actually getting people killed.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Kent Davis
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 12:27 AM

Bobert,

I knew you weren't a big fan of the 2nd Amendment. I found out in '07 you didn't like that "equal protection" bit in the 14th. Guess you don't much care for the 1st either.

If spreading hatred did constitute being a terrorist, what would that make you? Consider these little gems which I found among your posts on a single thread:thread.cfm?threadid=102927#2090443

John Roberts - Accused him of bringing back Jim Crow for deciding AGAINST using race as a criterion in government decisions - 29 June 07 at 6:31 p.m.

Clarence Thomas - "Clarance Thomas is a disgrace to mankind... He woukld roll his own mother under the bus... He makes Uncle Tom look like a flaming revolutioary... Might of fact, I am embarrassed for Clarence Thomas seein' as he has been consistently used by the white power structure as some kind of representative for the black community... He is a bad joke... He is boderline retarded and nuthin' but a court jester... 30 June 07 at 9:17

me - In response to my OPPOSITION to treating people differently based on race, you said, "You are so full of bull, Kent, that I'd hate to be you havin' to sleep at night knowing that you are spreading the same kinda screwed up thinkin' that brough us a hundred years of Jim Crow, the KKK, the Minutemen, et al... 17 July 07 at 8:11

Kent

P.S. Are ther any parts of the Bill of Rights that you like?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Jun 09 - 11:57 PM

Which would explain why they stole the shoes!

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Peace
Date: 13 Jun 09 - 11:47 PM

"Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???"

I have difficulty with the term, 'organization'. I don't know that they are terrorist, but they--along with CNN--sure as hell played lotsa games when Bush was pushing the Iraq invasion.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jun 09 - 10:31 PM

Not a bad idea. There's no shortage of people to throw them at.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: bobad
Date: 13 Jun 09 - 10:14 PM

Fox steals more than 100 shoes
Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:58am EDT

BERLIN (Reuters) - A fox has been unmasked as the mystery thief of more than 100 shoes in the small western German town of Foehren, authorities said Friday.

A forest worker stumbled upon shoes strewn near the fox's den and found a trove of footwear down the hole which had recently been stolen overnight from outside locals' front doors.

"There was everything from ladies' shoes to trainers," said a local police spokesman. "We've found between 110 and 120 so far. It seems a vixen stole them for her cubs to play with."

Although many were missing laces, the shoes were in good condition and their owners were delighted to reclaim them, he said, adding that no reprisals were planned against the culprit.

(Reporting by Dave Graham; editing by Philippa Fletcher)

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Jun 09 - 08:55 PM

Dunno about terrorist, but it is piss poor.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jun 09 - 08:48 PM

Definitely.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Jun 09 - 08:39 PM

It certainly terrifies me!

Subject: BS: Is Fox News a Terrorist Organization???
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jun 09 - 07:32 PM

Well, seein' as Fox News has been very cooperative in spreading hatred is it time, given the recent assasinations, to pull the plug on it???

B~