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Boring Folk Day

Folknacious 14 Jun 09 - 08:48 AM
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Lizzie Cornish 1 14 Jun 09 - 09:07 AM
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Lizzie Cornish 1 14 Jun 09 - 09:15 AM
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Subject: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 08:48 AM

Is anybody planning on going to Boring Folk Day? It seems to be already creating controversy on Mud-e-Ceilidh because of the inclusion of Kingsley The Vet from Loads Of Fans.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Will Fly
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 09:04 AM

Wondrous - an excellent spat on the main thread, but I'm glad Jeff Ooer stepped in to halt it...


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 09:07 AM

Why have they copied Mudcat?

Is it some kind of take-off, but without the magic?


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Will Fly
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 09:13 AM

It's an affectionate piss-take of the Mudcat pages - just another page in a long-running and very funny spoof of this forum. A little light laughter for a hot, sunny Sunday afternoon...


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 09:15 AM

Why would folk want to take the p*ss of Mudcat though?

Who runs it?


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Vic Smith
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 09:38 AM

Who runs it?

It's run by my great friend, Frank Ingnobody, who has been running folk clubs almost as long as I have - and for long before you became interested in this genre. I won't hear a word against him.

Anyway, Frank has booked Kingsley The Vet for his BORING FOLK DAY so you'd better be careful.... you are not supposed to talk about him!


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 09:44 AM

at a guess, I would say its Lawrence Heath.
[imo]a fairly predictable,almost boring, light hearted spoof[not much has changed since Southern Rag days].,the sort of spoof,that reminds me of some of those tedious 1950 comedians like Arthur Askey,Archie Andrews,Tommy Trinder,a bit old hat.
Amusing?,about as amusing as The Navy Lark.,
still Mudcat should be flattered.,imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 10:03 AM

Why have they copied Mudcat? Is it some kind of take-off, but without the magic?

Ah, but you've got it all wrong! If the spat between Sally Pasty-Head and Deirdre Spart on Mud-e-Ceilidh isn't as funny as those regular ones between their alter egos on Mudcat, therefore Mudcat must be the humorous parody of Mud-e-Ceilidh and you don't actually exist in real life!











that's a relief then





I'm glad Jeff Ooer stepped in to halt it...

What I really want to know is whether Joe is any relation to WH Death Ooer who has apparently been edited out of photographic history between The Rotters Of Coppingdean and Elmer P. Bleaty on the cover of the latest issue of sTROOF


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 10:05 AM

Sorry, I mean Jeff . . .


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Leadfingers
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 10:07 AM

The link to Borfolk 1 didnt work for me - Do I need to download somethng ?


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Vic Smith
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 10:11 AM

Dick Miles said:-
"some of those tedious 1950 comedians like Arthur Askey,Archie Andrews,Tommy Trinder,a bit old hat."


Well. it's true that some of Archie Andrews's jokes were a bit "wooden", but then I always blamed Peter Brough for that!

(As an aside, I remember thinking at the time that having a ventriloquist on the radio rather spoiled the whole point of it...... but then who I to complain? I once featured a dancer on my radio programme! I remember lying on the studio floor holding a microphone to a dance board whilst the great Ross Allen tapped out his incredible patterns on it.)


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 10:17 AM

The Rotters Of Coppingdean and Elmer P. Bleaty on the cover of the latest issue of sTROOF


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 11:32 AM

I find the Ramblings of an old codger by Joe Stead,more amusing.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Vic Smith
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 11:52 AM

Dick Miles said:-
"I find the Ramblings of an old codger by Joe Stead,more amusing."


Oh, yes! That Joe Stead - what a comic! He really has me in fits when I read his funnies! Here's a side-splitter from his most recent circular -

if Muslims and non-Muslims continue to breed at the present rate then the Muslim population will eventually outstrip the non-Muslim population in Great Britain. Already at my wife's old school (a Church of England school please note) the Muslim intake of children now outstrips the non-Muslim children and as a consequence my grand-daughter Jasmine has more Muslims in her class than non Muslim; and I'm wondering, if this trend continues, just what are we going to do with all the forthcoming taxi drivers, Asian restaurateurs and corner shops?

Or perhaps it is not funny. Perhaps it is deeply offensive to British Muslims. Perhaps this sounds like it could have been lifted from an election circular for the BNP.

No, on reflection, it is unacceptable and racist.

You'll have to explain what you find "amusing" in this to me, Dick.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,Captain Jack Sparrow
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 11:52 AM

Is that edition of sTROOF available in an internet-only edition for we all at sea folk?

Fifteen men on a deadman's chest, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Geoff Wallis
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 11:53 AM

Tommy Trinder was hardly a 1950s comedian - the 1940s was his heyday. Here's a short clip of him http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-73982680102821659.

I remember seeing both Tommy and Arthur at one of the Moss Empires in the late 1950s and they were two of the funniest comedians I've ever heard. Both were also regulars on the Light Programme's 'Does the Team Think?' and Arthur made one classic film, 'The Love Match'.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Will Fly
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 12:07 PM

For me, Arthur's classic film was "The Ghost Train".


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 12:29 PM

Ahem. So what do we think of Boring Folk Day? Have Sally P-H and Big Ed managed to derail yet another topic at birth?


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Will Fly
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 12:57 PM

well I wouldn't mind seeing Kingsley the Vet if his mate Herb Pile was going to perform alongside him.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:03 PM

yes,I agree Vic,but did I say that the piece you quoted was funny.
you are being selective in an attempt to score a point.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:03 PM

Not to mention The Ardent Ceilidh Boys and rare southern appearances by Ben Darbieram & Miles Wonki, and Kali Newparrot too!! Shaping up to be almost as good as Midsouth!


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Abdul The Bul Bul
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:05 PM

ERm, of thread I know but don't I recall seing T Trinder compering the Sunday night at the London Palladium on me Grannys TV. I think so and being now 60 that would put him well and truly in the 50's with Max Wall Ted Ray, J Jewel and etc....

Al


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Surreysinger
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:06 PM

I personally feel that the appearance of of Crooning:Bar:Orgasm could be quite interesting ... not to mention Ben Darbieram and Miles Wonki !


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:06 PM

OK, I surrender . . .


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:14 PM

to continue,as my post was sent off before i finished.
I said that I found The Ramblings of an old Codger by Joe Stead,more amusing than Lawrence Heath.
if you have an issue with Joe Stead,and are saying that he has said something unacceptable and racist ,contact him,but in fairness you should quote the whole of the letter,so that it is in context.
Vic,I did not say that the piece you quoted was funny,did I.
you are generalising from one particular quote,but I am not surprised because you are only interested in scoring points.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:52 PM

I have never met Lawrence Heath,he does not know me personally.
if he is referring to me as Big Ed[with the implication big headed],I consider that a personal attack,if you are not referring to me,please say so.
one of the rules of this forum ,is no personal attacks.
Lawrence if you think I am big head,say it to my face.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,Marcus H Garvey
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:19 PM

If Laurence Heather is pretending that I am Captain Fish then I consider it a curse upon my family and I will sue him and hunt him down and kill him with agony.

If not, then nevermind, as you were.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:22 PM

Oh good, art imitating life again!


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Surreysinger
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:49 PM

Where are those engineers to mend the Mudcat/Mud-e-ceilidh interface when you need them?


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Surreysinger
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:53 PM

Incidentally, could I point out that the thread about some fundamental points about the Midsouth week has been overlooked so far ... see this link here


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:54 PM

Oh....They have SMILIES! :0)

Well, that's it...I'm a bit smitten now... LOL

I like that Sally Pastie Head, she's an Alright Kinda Gal, but...but...I'm afraid Deidre bores the pants off me...and my Eleanor Roosevelt Pants, at that.

Does Sally like Sith Lockman's music?

;0)


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,Lawrie Scroll
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 03:16 PM

"Does Sally like Sith Lockman's music?"

She probably went to see the Shakenmetal Band when Borfolk booked them.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Vic Smith
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 04:12 PM

Oh dear! I can feel the temperature rising again. Let's see if I can do something to diffuse it…….

The most important point about Dick's reaction to my posting is where he says yes,I agree Vic . Good, so it looks like we both think what Joe wrote was wrong and that is fundamental. Everything else is more trivial.

However, you have raised points about the honesty and integrity of my actions which I hope that I can answer in a way that is non-confrontational.
You say
you are being selective in an attempt to score a point.
And elsewhere
you are generalising from one particular quote,but I am not surprised because you are only interested in scoring points.

Well, I would beg to differ. First of all, this is not the first time that Joe has made statements of a worryingly dodgy nature on this subject in his Ramblings but to my mind this was the most blatant. As for my being "selective" in the quote, if you can find a better context for that quote, please feel free to do so here. I would be delighted if a better interpretation could be put on this statement.

You say
if you have an issue with Joe Stead,and are saying that he has said something unacceptable and racist ,contact him
Well, of course, I did that, Dick. I emailed him straight away on reading it. He replied saying

Hi Vic,

I'm surprised you think this is an anti Muslim tirade……But at least you read me! Thanks for that.

Joe


I make no comment on whether you would consider this an adequate response.

Perhaps, I shouldn't have posted Joe's comment here. I certainly wouldn't have done but for your posting on Joe as an exemplar of a humorist. Humour depends as much on one's reaction to the perpetrator as much as one's reaction to the material, so I have never found Joe funny in the same way that I never found Les Dawson funny. I do find the whole Borfolk concept very funny in a way that I think is inventive and keenly observed. If you find Joe's Ramblings funnier, perhaps you could give some examples here.

Finally, could I offer you some advice, though it would probably be unwanted? Don't jump into the deep end in anger with Lawrence Heath. It is gentle harmless humour and it's not intended to hurt anyone. Look what happened when you misinterpreted a comment by Ian Anderson. You said that you ended up apologising to him over that. Don't get into a similar mess here. Look at Lizzie. She may, or may not, be Sally Pastie Head, but at least she has the grace to find Sally funny.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 04:37 PM

Funnies



Some oldies but goodies. Enjoy!



These glorious insults are from an era when cleverness with words was still valued, before a great portion of the English language got boiled down to 4-letter words, not to mention waving middle fingers.



The exchange between Churchill & Lady Astor: She said, "If you were my husband I'd give you poison," and he said, "If you were my wife, I'd drink it."



A Member of Parliament to Disraeli: "Sir, you will either die on the gallows or of some unspeakable disease." "That depends, Sir," said Disraeli, "on whether I embrace your policies or your mistress."



"He had delusions of adequacy." - Walter Kerr



"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire." - Winston Churchill



"A modest little person, with much to be modest about." - Winston Churchill



"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow



"He has never been known to use a word that might send a reader to the dictionary." - William Faulkner (about Ernest Hemingway).



"Poor Faulkner. Does he really think big emotions come from big words?" - Ernest Hemingway (about William Faulkner)



"Thank you for sending me a copy of your book; I'll waste no time reading it." - Moses Hadas



"He can compress the most words into the smallest idea of any man I know."- Abraham Lincoln



"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain



"He has no enemies, but is intensely disliked by his friends." - Oscar Wilde



"I am enclosing two tickets to the first night of my new play; bring a friend.... if you have one." - George Bernard Shaw to Winston Churchill



"Cannot possibly attend first night, will attend second... if there is one." – Winston Churchill, in response.



"I feel so miserable without you; it's almost like having you here." - Stephen Bishop



"He is a self-made man and worships his creator." - John Bright



"His mother should have thrown him away and kept the stork." - Mae West



"Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go." - Oscar Wilde



"I've had a perfectly wonderful evening. But this wasn't it." - Groucho Marx
here are some examples of why I think Ramblings of an old codger,is funnier than BORFOLK or Boring Day.
finally,Vic, I will offer you some advice,mind your own business.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,Roberto
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 04:48 PM

"here are some examples of why I think Ramblings of an old codger,is funnier than BORFOLK or Boring Day"

Did the old codger write all those? Wow! I agree, he's miles funnier than Borfolk ever was.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 05:14 PM

It's good to see that the years have not dimmed Lawrence Heath's wit, nor his drawing and design skills, nor his ability to get up the noses of people who persist in seeing themselves as the objects of his humour. Sure, we can all recognize the Borfolk characters, if not in our own folk club, then in the one down the road or across the county.

But taking personal umbrage seems to be carrying a "dislike" response a bit far. If you see yourself in one of LH's caricatures (and are offended by what you see), perhaps you should look for the characteristics in your own make-up that produced that sense of recognition. It can be a painful realisation that "There's many a true word spoken in jest." If LH accidentally touched a nerve, it's no reason to jump down his throat.

Anyway, back to the positive - I couldn't find the page where you can order the Frank Ingnobody badges, T-shirts, beer-mats, bumper-stickers, guitar-case stickers, posters, banners etc, etc
And can't wait for the "missing" links.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,baz parkes
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 05:35 PM

I was going to leap to Lawrence's defence...but the last thing he needs is my faint praise

I was going to scan in aletter from a certain DickMles sent toFolk Roots (sic) some 20years ago, then realised it said exactly the same as he says here (and there.)

If you don't like Borfolk et al,don';t read it. Icouldnever be arsed with Bernard Manning.

And...how could ANYONE possibly not see that post by Joe Stead as racist.

Butwhat do I know ....I'moneof the Froots Mafia ie I post there (and here, and MelodeonNet,and Teachit and...)

In despair...

Baz


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 06:51 PM

Eh?

Joe Stead? Bernard Manning?


Have I missed something vital?? (confused Smiley)

Joe, Joe! Mudeceilidh has SMILIES, Joe! Really COOL ones that have steam coming out of their ears, and ones that stick out their tongues!

Oh, JOE!   

Pleeeeze!   Pretty Pleeeeeeeeeeeze!

You KNOW you want to, Joe, you KNOw you DO! :0)

And you could do it whilst Max is busy working, he'd never notice...I wouldn't tell him, I promise! And even if he tied me to a rack and stretched me until I was a size zero (oh if ONLY) I'd just tell him it was Joe Ooer who'd done it!

Come on, Joe, Mudcat needs to smilies desperately! Just think of all the fun everyone could have in here.. ;0)

LoadsofFans, eh, they sound Pretty Darn Sassy! Methinks I need to investigate them a little deeper...


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 08:39 PM

I count 23 plays on 'boring' in the poster.

Now THAT'S boring.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,Marcus H Garvey
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 08:59 PM

what do you call an Italian man with a rubber toe?


(No offence meant to Cap'n or anyone else who may or may not know someone who may or may not be Italian or have (or not have) a rubber toe.)


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 09:55 PM

Vic Smith,examine Joe Steads statement again.
I assume he is talking from first hand experience,or do you have more knowledge of the local situation than him.,if you have I would appreciate your details.
he appears to be asking a question,that needs to be adressed.
my own opinion and answer to the question,would be that serious efforts need to be made,to help immigrants integrate,desire to integrate has to be a two way process.
the answer[imo] is not to send them away as the BNP would wish.
I think it is a good sign in this particular case that Muslim children are attending a Church of England school,and that a Church of England school,is making an effort to integrate them.
the Church of England is the established church in England.
I have known Joe Stead reasonably well,and have never heard him talk in a racist way, I think you have misinterpreted what he is trying to say,which is that there could be a problem in his area which needs to be adressed.
he does not talk of repatriating immigrants, or offer a solution of any kind, he appears to be mentioning a topic for people to think about.
it is a complete over reaction to call him a racist,and to compare him to Bernard Manning,although I would have phrased differently from him[but that is a result of being on this forum,and having too many over reactions]
please explain what is Racist about bringing a topic to peoples, attention.
If we cannot talk about potential integration problems,it is unlikely that any progress will be made.
I am an Englishman ,and living in Ireland,I am an immigrant.
as an Immigrant I realise that Ireland is different in many ways, for example, Religion, Culture.
However,when stations are held in my townland,I am invited to attend,even though I am not Catholic,I am made welcome,and make a contribution in the form of[please note] IRISH traditional music,after the Ceremony.,
integration is something that cannot be forced ,but can be encouraged,and in my experience music can help to break these barriers down.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 04:40 AM

What's that expression about "losing the thread"?


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: melodeonboy
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 04:56 AM

Well, I've already bought my tickets for Boring Folk Day. My old canvas tent and my primus is in the back of the car, and I'm ready to go!

What's the best way to get there from Milton Regis? Is it via Rosavallan Dale or Heaver Way and Jonbarley Corner?


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Chris Green
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 05:24 AM

Hilarious!







This thread, I mean (although the link at the top is funny as well...)


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 05:29 AM

melodeonboy, it all depends what time you're travelling. Heaver Way can be like a car park after 3pm - Hauler Way is less direct, but as it's not a main traffic artery it ought to get you there more quickly.

Hope that helps, darling. See you there!


Lillian


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Chris Green
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 05:50 AM

You could try approaching via Foregreen Fields but I'm told it can be interminable. Maybe coming by way of Iron Mews might be better?


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 06:00 AM

Why do I get the feeling that any minute now somebody is going to shout out "Mornington Crescent"?


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 06:02 AM

PS - Marcus - What do you call an Italian man with a rubber toe, anyway?


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,Marcus H Garvey
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 06:34 AM

PS - Marcus - What do you call an Italian man with a rubber toe, anyway?




Roberto


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Vic Smith
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 06:36 AM

With a heavy heart, with apologies to other users of this forum, and with the promise that this will positively my last posting to this thread, allow me to deal with the points made in the latest posting to this thread by Dick Miles. Again, I do not wish to raise the temperature of the debate to the level of insult, so I will endeavour to be factual.

Dick’s posting is a defence of his long-term friend, Joe Stead. That is admirable. I have probably known Joe longer than Dick; I met him in 1964 when I was at college in South-East London and he came each week to have banjo lessons from a fellow student that I shared with. I liked Joe, went to folk clubs with him, and have always wished him well. I still send him my folk club circular and he still sends me his Ramblings. I have no wish to think badly of an old friend but some of his statements in recent Ramblings have caused me concern and the one that I have quoted above I would consider indefensible as I have already stated. Now Dick says:-

I think you have misinterpreted what he is trying to say,which is that there could be a problem in his area which needs to be adressed.

I would really like to believe that you are right, Dick. I invited you above to put my quotation from Joe in a better light by placing it in a different context. You have not done this but merely repeat the accusation that I have “misinterpretedâ€쳌 Joe.

Now, sadly, I must add further evidence of what I take to be Joe Stead’s intention in making the statement which I quoted from him above. Dick, you will have seen this, because like me, he receives Joe’s Ramblings.

Below the statement that I quoted, Joe goes on to say in the same email

please do take a snifty at …..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU


What is your opinion of that video that Joe advocates, Dick? To your mind does that that video represent a fair and balanced look the world or does it strike you as being the rantings of an extreme white supremacist group? Or is this another example of me being “selectiveâ€쳌 or “misrepresentingâ€쳌 Joe?

That is the main thrust of my concerns but just for the record.
Dick says
â€쳌it is a complete over reaction to call him a racist,and to compare him to Bernard Manning

….And you will be able to quote where I have made this comparison.

Dick says
â€쳌do you have more knowledge of the local situation than himâ€쳌

No, Dick, like most of us, I only know my own local situation. I do know, however, that I get on very well with the people whose garden backs on to mine, and they - to use one of Joe’s phrases - run a corner shop.

Like you, Dick, I live in a different country from the one that I was born in. I wish that everyone that moves to England is made as welcome here as I was.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Vic Smith
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 06:43 AM

Interesting.....Could I assure those reading the above posting that I have not been on hallucinatory drugs and that it looked perfectly normal when I checked it in preview mode.

Could Mudcat administrators offer an explanation for this?

Better still, could they delete it and allow me to post it again


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Vic Smith
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 06:47 AM

I'll try again

With a heavy heart, with apologies to other users of this forum, and with the promise that this will positively my last posting to this thread, allow me to deal with the points made in the latest posting to this thread Dick Miles. Again, I do not wish to raise the temperature of the debate to the level of insult, so I will endeavour to be factual.

Dick's posting is a defence of his long-term friend, Joe Stead. That is admirable. I have probably known Joe longer than Dick; I met him in 1964 when I was at college in South-East London and he came each week to have banjo lessons from a fellow student that I shared with. I liked Joe, went to folk clubs with him, and have always wished him well. I still send him my folk club circular and he still sends me his Ramblings. I have no wish to think badly of an old friend but some of his statements in recent Ramblings have caused me concern and the one that I have quoted above I would consider indefensible as I have already stated. Now Dick says:-

I think you have misinterpreted what he is trying to say,which is that there could be a problem in his area which needs to be adressed.

I would really like to believe that you are right, Dick. I invited you above to put my quotation from Joe in a better light by placing it in a different context. You have not done this but merely repeat the accusation that I have "misinterpreted" Joe.

Now, sadly, I must add further evidence of what I take to be Joe Stead's intention in making the statement which I quoted from him above. Dick, you will have seen this, because like me, he receives Joe's Ramblings.

Below the statement that I quoted, Joe goes on to say in the same email

please do take a snifty at ……..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU


What is your opinion of that video that Joe advocates, Dick? To your mind does that that video represent a fair and balanced look the world or does it strike you as being the rantings of an extreme white supremacist group? Or is this another example of me being "selective" or "misrepresenting" Joe?

That is the main thrust of my concerns but just for the record.
Dick says
"it is a complete over reaction to call him a racist,and to compare him to Bernard Manning

….And you will be able to quote where I have made this comparison.

Dick says
"do you have more knowledge of the local situation than him"

No, Dick, like most of us, I only know my own local situation. I do know, however, that I get on very well with the people whose garden backs on to mine, and they – to use one of Joe's phrases – run a corner shop.

Like you, Dick, I live in a different country from the one that I was born in. I wish that everyone that moves to England is made as welcome here as I was.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 06:48 AM

Roberto
Groan.

Yes, I also fell for that old question "do you known that the word 'gullible' isn't in the dictionary?"


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 07:01 AM

Don't make too much of Muslim children attending Church of England schools - they probably have no other choice.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: The Sandman
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 08:06 AM

Vic.
I was not aware that Joe had advocated that video.
yes, I agree with you, the video, is the rantings of white Racists.
however to counter this sort of nonsense,it is important to make the points I have made[which I hope Joe read]about the importance of INTEGRATION.
Since you brought these points up,and attempted to say that I thought this was funny,may I make it clear that what I find amusing in Joes ramblings,are his funnies,an example of which I gave earlier.
BAZ parkes,compared him to Bernard Manning,you lumped his humour along with Les Dawson.
none of the quotes Joe gave in his funnies,were by either of these Comedians,but included quotes from Groucho Marx and Oscar Wilde.
as far as I am concerned their humour[which Joe obviously appreciates] [as I do] has nothing in common with Manning or Dawson.
and as I have said I find those quotes much funnier than Lawrence Heath,Borfolk[imo] was vaguely amusing about 20 years ago,but is now as predictable[imo] as three blind mice.
but each to their own,so have fun with Lawrence.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Vic Smith
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 01:52 PM

OK, I said that I would not post here again, but I just couldn't resist this one.

All those of you who have bought your early tickets for Boring Folk Day has a look at this......


http://homepage.ntlworld.com/borodance/magic-bus.jpg


.... and start worrying.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,Chris Murray
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 02:26 PM

Brilliant!


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,CupOfTea, at work, no cookies
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 02:29 PM

I can't believe nobody mentioned that Boring folk has a ready made theme song, but the wryly witty and velvet voiced Andrew Calhoun of Chicago:

FOLKSINGERS ARE BORING
(Andrew Calhoun)

Nobody comes to the coffeehouse,
Nobody comes to the coffeehouse,
Nobody comes to the coffeehouse,
Folksingers are boring.

Boring, boring, boring, so boring,
Nobody comes to the coffeehouse,
Folksingers are boring.

First they start some silly song,
Try to make you sing along,
Always drag it out too long:
Folksingers are boring.

First they sing about a train,
Then they sing another song about a train,
Then they sing a song about a train:
Folksingers are boring.

Folksingers have flabby buns,
They all play the same bass runs,
They're against the private ownership of handguns:
Folksingers are boring.

Folksingers are born to lose,
They wear old and ratty shoes,
Then they try to sing the blues:
Then they're really boring.

Give us salsa, give us soul,
Give us good old rock and roll,
Pass the bong and pass the bowl
Folksingers are boring.

@music @folkmusic
Copyright Andrew Calhoun, 1984
filename[ FLKSNGBR
BR


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Surreysinger
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 02:54 PM

I've just had a message from Frank who advised me that he has had to post a message up on sTroof forum. It seems that his visitor counter was allied to a website that some had thought was part of the Boring universe. Probably best to see his messages today at sTroof forum alternative universe link
I believe that Vic may already have made his way through the warp to visit it, judging from the link he has already provided.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: M.Ted
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 07:54 PM

I must tell you that I am both entertained and amused by all this--and the Mud-e-Ceilidh site is funny too.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,QWERTY
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 03:24 AM

I count 6 plays on 'boring' in FOLKSINGERS ARE BORING - 36 if you include the choruses.

Now THAT'S boring.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,Maurice Ring
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 04:13 AM

I notice the women's morris dancers are Knots o' Boring!

:-)


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 04:30 AM

Vic.
I would suggest that a positive action,would be for those who seriously want to fight fascism,to rate this video 5 stars.
it is a response to Muslim demographics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pnpJU31HM0&feature=related .
apologies for interrupting your humour.,with something so trivial.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 05:51 AM

Vic,Here was THE WHOLE [WITHOUT YOUR EDITING]of JOES statement on the subject of Muslims.before anyone else calls Joe a racist.please read what he said in its entirety.
Joe Stead – The Ramblings of an old Codger – Volume 105 – June 2009



I suppose there are some honest politicians out there somewhere; but I would guess not an awful lot and the recent spate of discoveries that the majority of our Members of Parliament are on the make in a dishonest fashion begs the question; are they dishonest before they enter parliament or does the job simply encourage it? I sometimes wonder (when I've got time to waste) just how politicians think, or indeed if they think at all. Here in Sowerby Bridge the open market has moved home and the vacated area made a perfect car park thus alleviating and lessening car parking problems throughout the town. What did Calderdale Council do? They spent a few thousand of our tax payer's pounds erecting a huge metal fence around the site. It will eventually be a new swimming pool. But in the meantime it's an empty space that could have been used to better effect. Barmpots the lot. So here we are every 5 years or so voting a bunch of partly intelligent no-hopers into office on huge salaries and they find ways of increasing their income in an illegal fashion. Did they not think the house of cards would one day come tumbling down? Obviously not! So they can't be that bright! Just how the electorate will respond remains to be seen. I have a huge fear that there will be a swing to the right and the BNP will benefit. One of the problems about the BNP (other than them being fascists of course) is that at times they quote facts that can only be true; which will attract voters from both Labour and Conservative who would otherwise stay faithful to the main party's. For example – if Muslims and non-Muslims continue to breed at the present rate then the Muslim population will eventually outstrip the non-Muslim population in Great Britain. Already at my wife's old school (a Church of England school please note) the Muslim intake of children now outstrips the non-Muslim children and as a consequence my grand-daughter Jasmine has more Muslims in her class than non Muslim; and I'm wondering, if this trend continues, just what are we going to do with all the forthcoming taxi drivers, Asian restaurateurs and corner shops?



But having already composed and typed the above I was today by coincidence sent the following U Tube link that I feel we should all have a look at.   Over 8 million people have viewed it already and the statistics make chilling reading if, like me, you are of non-Muslim persuasion. And whilst I am prepared to believe that the piece is simply white non-Muslim propaganda and scare mongering to boot; it should still be taken seriously insofar as my own experiences here in Halifax (the fact that we have a Church of England school where Muslims outnumber non Muslims) prove that the piece has substance. Your comments would be warmly welcomed. So please do take a snifty at ……..
Vic Smith,carefully left out part of Joes letter,thus deliberately portraying Joe in a worse light.
why? have you attempted to smear Joe Stead,by selectively editing his letter,


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,Play.Ford
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 06:19 AM

Words will be said on E-Ceilidh

Harrumph!


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Vic Smith
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 06:21 AM

Dick,
Thank you for posting the link to A response to: Muslim Demographics. It is a great counter argument to the nonsense that Joe Stead was advocating in the link from his "Ramblings". (interestingly the most recent reaction to this video as I write this is from HoffBridge which may be of interest to Richard Bridge amongst others.)

Thank you also for posting the context of the comment from Joe. But answer me two things:-

1] Do you really think the entire quote shows Joe in a better light? You will have to explain how it makes his comments about Muslims more defensible. At the moment, I fail to see this.

2] Why would anyone want to defend a piece of writing that advocates a video that - in Dick Miles' description - is "the rantings of white Racists."


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 06:27 AM

I've read it. Despite its decrying of the BNP, it's racist.

Anyone who is daft enough to believe in the twisted statistics produced by white supremacists, including the BNP, really wants a word with themselves.

The BNP talk about whites in Britain being a minority in just a few decades. The sorts of headlines the scream out from their propaganda would lead you to believe that Britain must be at least 40, maybe 45% non-white at this point. Yet what is the reality? Britain is 92% white. Oooh, lock up your daughters! The dark tide of immigration is coming to flood us all!

Yes, certain parts of the country experience more immigration than others, but using such anecdotal situations as the one described as evidence of a wide-reaching "problem" is very dangerous indeed. My daughter's school of 1200, for example, has about a dozen non-white students from what I can tell. Anyone who perpetuates this kind of propaganda really wants to seriously think about their motivation for doing so. "I hate the BNP, but..." is as transparent a statement as "I'm not racist, but..."

"I'm wondering, if this trend continues, just what are we going to do with all the forthcoming taxi drivers, Asian restaurateurs and corner shops?" is a racist quip no matter how you slice it. In fact, statistically the children of Asian immigrants are far more likely to do well at school and attend university, because their communities value and support the education of their children - so your friend might be better off asking what we are going to do with all those doctors, pharmacists and solicitors.



What all this has to do with the Boring Folk Day I have no idea, but life is rather alarmingly imitating art.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 06:46 AM

Ruth is spot on , agree with every word.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 06:57 AM

But having already composed and typed the above I was today by coincidence sent the following U Tube link that I feel we should all have a look at.   Over 8 million people have viewed it already and the statistics make chilling reading if, like me, you are of non-Muslim persuasion. And whilst I am prepared to believe that the piece is simply white non-Muslim propaganda and scare mongering to boot; it should still be taken seriously insofar as my own experiences here in Halifax (the fact that we have a Church of England school where Muslims outnumber non Muslims) prove that the piece has substance. Your comments would be warmly welcomed. So please do take a snifty at ……..
this[which VIC deliberately left out] in my opinion,does alter how you have attempted to portray Joe.
Ruth, Vic ,he is not saying,that he believes the statistics,he is saying that they are taking a fact and exaggerating it.
if you have stastics that prove that in England,that Muslim familes,ARE smaller or the same, or marginally larger ,it is important to find them ,and put them up here,so that the truth can be seen.
if anyone here does not believe that unless we attempt to encourage integration, England could have serious racial problems,are burying their heads in the sand.
I do not believe that Joe thinks immigrants should be sent out of the country,[he doe not say that , but that is what the BNP say].
Joe, poses a question that needs to be adressed,what does England do with an increasing Asian population,the answer in my opinion is for the government to encourage the English people and the immigrants themselves to integrate.
if England does not have an increasing population of Asians,facts anf figures need to be produced to counter this claim.
,Vic, what you have done to Joe,by editing important parts of his letter,is unfair and a smear.,you quoted parts of his letter out of context,that is a fact.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 07:11 AM

Whisper . . .

Shouldn't all this be in the FAF thread


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Vic Smith
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 07:11 AM

Dick said:-
" Over 8 million people have viewed it already and the statistics make chilling reading if, like me, you are of non-Muslim persuasion."


Please, please be careful, Dick. You are now getting into dangerous territory yourself.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 07:15 AM

Whisper again . . .

shouldn't all this be on the FAF thread, or should this one now be retitled Boring All Day?

Dick'n'Vic please take this somewhere else where it belongs!!


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 07:21 AM

Vic,
As I read it that is what Joe said and Dick quoted.

Now you have quoted it as well!


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 07:25 AM

here is one suggestion that I think would use music in a progressive way.
the English government should subsidise English /Asian music clubs, which have a booking policy of equally shared TRADITIONAL OR CONTEMPORARY music,from English and Asian backgrounds.
music can be a great way of breaking down barriers.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 07:30 AM

"here is one suggestion that I think would use music in a progressive way.
the English government should subsidise English /Asian music clubs, which have a booking policy of equally shared TRADITIONAL OR CONTEMPORARY music,from English and Asian backgrounds.
music can be a great way of breaking down barriers. "

Completely bonkers. Are you being serious?


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Vic Smith
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 07:30 AM

Black belt caterpillar wrestler wrote:-

"Now you have quoted it as well! "


Sorry - you are entirely right. I took to be something that Dick said because he does not use quotation marks, italics etc.

Apologies to Dick over that one as well.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: melodeonboy
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 07:56 AM

"Whisper again . . .

shouldn't all this be on the FAF thread, or should this one now be retitled Boring All Day?

Dick'n'Vic please take this somewhere else where it belongs!!"

Yes, indeed! Let's get back to frothing tankards! Fol-de-rol-di-da!


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,dillie the oast ouse opper
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 09:10 AM

I am stunned by all of this....

and I agree with melodeon boy above :0) x


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 09:28 AM

I am stunted by all this as well. But the Boring folk day looks just my cup of traditional Darjeeling and where do I go for a Mud-e-celidh?

DeG


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Surreysinger
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 10:01 AM

David .... you need to go to BARN DANCE - 8.00pm - 11.00pm
at Boring-On-Thames Church Hall, with the Ardent Ceilidh Boys and Angie Whirlsmania ... that should be Mud-e-ceilidh enough for you, shouldn't it???


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Surreysinger
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 10:01 AM

Sorry - should have said - that's part of the Boring Folk Day which Frank is arranging...


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Leadfingers
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 04:29 PM

But where do we buy tickets ??


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 05:09 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM6UdvpaLcc&feature=related
here is something that is much less funny than borfolk.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 05:23 PM

something that is much less funny than borfolk

buzzz buzzz bonnety buzzzz


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Surreysinger
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 06:41 PM

Dick - that certainly is not only less funny than Borfolk, it's not funny at all. I've never found acts that mock someone's disability to be in the least amusing.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 08:33 AM

I agree Surrey singer.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Scotsman Over The Border
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 09:18 AM

So what was the point in posting that link then, Captain Birdseye? I had a bad stutter until my early/mid twenties. I suffered the humiliation of being mocked and imitated throughout school, and then, even worse, the patronising sympathy of others when they grew up enough to realise that my speech impediment didn't make me 'fair game'.

It saddens me to see that some don't even grow up that much.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 09:39 AM

Well, unfortunate as it is, people with disabilities and afflictions have always been at the mercy of 'comedians', songwriters and performers.

Cosmotheka used to sing a song called 'Only come down for the day' that managed to encompass stuttering, diasblement and mental illnes. Can but say that it was an incredibly funny song though, and, as Al Sealy used to say "We make a point of not apologising for any of the material that we do, no matter how offensive it is - sorry about that, but there we are"

Most of us have something that someone can take the piss out of, wether it be ginger hair, being fat,, short, tall,bald, deaf, short sighted etc.

Perhaps we should be slightly less sensitive.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Scotsman Over The Border
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 09:46 AM

"Perhaps we should be slightly less sensitive. "

Replace the 'disability' with race. Do you still think peole should be less sensitive? What's the difference? It's that 'otherness' that makes some target others by way of their "humour".
Humour that needs a victim is not humour, it's an ignorant cheap shot, and so is being an appologist for it.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 09:52 AM

Hmmm...

we should really try to be a little less senstive.

There is almost no such thing as victimless humour and trying to play the race card is pathetic. I have been and still am ridiculed for the appearance of a certain part of my anatomy (!), just grow up and get over it.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Scotsman Over The Border
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 09:57 AM

Silas, Good for you, you've moved on. That does not give you the right to belittle what others go through. I'm not speaking about myself, I'm a big boy and can look after myself, I'm talking about the kids going through what I did.
I am not playing the race card, I asked what the difference between taking the piss out of someone's disability and someone's race is.
You said that was pathetic, I already intimated what I think of sympathy in these circumstances, but I'd still like to know what the difference is.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 10:02 AM

Sadly, kids are very cruel and no matter what you do, there will always be bullying to some degree. The victim does not need to have any form of 'difference', just having an unusual name is enough.

They usually come through OK though.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 10:27 AM

Scotsman,it illustrates this point,there are many on mudcat with different senses of humour.
Leadfingers,put that clip up originally[on a different mudcat thread].
I believe in tolerance,as regarding humour,I do not find it funny,but Leadfingers presumably does[I am prepared to live and let live].
I do not find Lawrences humour funny,although it is not offensive,in the same way,as that clip is.
I have a right to say that I do not find something funny,without being attacked,as I have been on this forum in the past[by guestRalphie],perhaps the same tolerance can be shown to me as I extend towars Leadfingers.
I do not find Lawrence funny[he does not seem to have progressed from thirty years ago],neither do I find being called big ed amusing,as I am sure you Scotsman over the border would either.Ihave no objection to childish anagrams ,but I do object to the inference of big ed
.I will now let you carry on with your carry on up the folk world.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Scotsman Over The Border
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 10:27 AM

"Sadly, kids are very cruel and no matter what you do, there will always be bullying to some degree. The victim does not need to have any form of 'difference', just having an unusual name is enough.

They usually come through OK though"

Well chidren's charities and the education authorities see things differently. There is a 'zero tolerence' policy to bullying at the schools my children go to, as there is Nationwide. This is not a comment on the efficacy of that policy, I don't know how well it works, but I've seen it work really well with a friend's child.

I don't know where you are Silas, but have you come across Bill Bailey or Harry Hill? They don't need victims for their humour, so victimless humour is possible.

At the risk of labouring a point, I still don't see the difference between mocking someone's race and mocking a disability, and I still do not understand why Captain Birdseye posted that link.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Scotsman Over The Border
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 10:31 AM

Your post was done whilst I was writing, Captain, I don't know how to edit on this board, so my previous comment was submitted before reading yours. :-)


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 11:05 AM

I find it extraordinary how nearly every topic on this board which starts out as a lighthearted one inevitably gets sidetracked, hi-jacked or whatever you care to call it by the humourless, the professional takers of offense, the grinders of axes, the wilfully uncomprehending and the knee-jerk combatants who will always disagree with what certain other posters say.

And if the cap fits any of those, feel free to wear it!


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 01:05 PM

Folknacious.Offence not offense.
I am not humourless,my humour is diferent from yours,is that understood.
if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
Folknacious,your willing enough to take the piss,but dont seem to like it, when I give my opinion of your humour,if you give it out baby,you got to learn to take it.
I dont find your humour offensive[apart from the big ed comment,just predictable],however you are a fine artist.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Scotsman Over The Border
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 01:05 PM

Folknacious, please excuse me, I'm new to mudcat, if I'm cast as one of your cap wearing, humourless, axegrinding, professional offense takers with the hair-trigger knee, etc etc, then so be it, but my motivation was purely against what I saw to be a discriminatory prejudice.

I appologise profusely for hijaking your thread. If it's worth anything I find Borefolk very funny.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,baz parkes
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 01:09 PM

Sorry...Coming back late to this

Dick says I compared Joe Stead to Bernard Manning...I didn't.

The point I was making was I didn't find him (Manning) funny, therefore didn't watch/listen to him...suggesting,perhaps naively that people who don't find the whole Borfolk word funny should do the same.

Then lo and behold,Upspoke the Captain..."but each to their own,so have fun with Lawrence."

I really don't know why I let myself bedragged into all this....

Baz


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Leadfingers
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 01:39 PM

Dick - I put that link up because someone was looking for the bloody song , NOT because I thought it was funny !
Incidentally , its Ronnie Barker's song requested in the thread
http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=9974


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Leadfingers
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 01:47 PM

AND I didnt claim the 100th post !! I must be losing it !!


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 02:53 PM

From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 10:02 AM

Sadly, kids are very cruel and no matter what you do, there will always be bullying to some degree. The victim does not need to have any form of 'difference', just having an unusual name is enough.

They usually come through OK though.


Unless they arm themselves to the teeth and kill 31 of their schoolmates. The most unfunny thing I've ever seen. And its not true that there's nothing we can do. If reasoning adults can't lead the way on this then what good are we. I was never so proud as when one of my kids would come to the defense of someone who was being bullied.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 03:32 PM

Folknacious.Offence not offense. I am not humourless,my humour is diferent from yours,is that understood. if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen. Folknacious,your willing enough to take the piss,but dont seem to like it, when I give my opinion of your humour,if you give it out baby,you got to learn to take it. I dont find your humour offensive[apart from the big ed comment,just predictable],however you are a fine artist.

"You're", not "your". Nobody who has heard my singing, mostly restricted to the shower, or indeed seen my paintings would ever describe me as a "fine artist", or probably any kind of artist at all other than the p*** variety! I didn't bother to reply to your incomprehensible PM banging on about Mud-e-ceilidh's "Big Ed" creation (apologies if you're dyslexic, but why on earth can't you learn to do simple punctuation and message quoting like everybody else over age 5 on here?) but I am beginning to suspect that you've deluded yourself that I'm somebody I'm not. No wonder you were allegedly accused by somebody else of being on drugs!! And by the way, I think we've worked out that you don't like Borfolk, but please feel free to tell us again if it amuses you.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Vic Smith
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 06:56 AM

Folknacious,

A PM from another regular user of this forum received by me today says:-

Vic
I think you've forgotten the First Commandment of Mudcat.
"Do not try to argue with Captain Birdseye, for it will end in much wailing and gnashing of teeth"
It is easy to get tempted, but better to resist!


I think that this is good advice - for both you and me. I shall certainly be following it in future.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 07:05 AM

Vic - don't you mean

I think,you've forgotten the.First Commandment of MudcatDo not, try to argue with Captain Birdseye, foritwill end,in much wailing andgnashing of teethIt is easy,to gettempted, but better,to resist!

I think I'm getting the hang of it now but I will take your advice if you promise to take your own. A pact?

What's it they say on Froots? IAFWAFIAWMWQ isn't it?

Ken


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Vic Smith
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 01:42 PM

Geoff Wallis said:-

"presumably, you don't have to endure PMs from Captain......"


Not so - but the same advice and the same policy will apply with them.

(Didn't copy your insult as I don't think it helps.)


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Geoff Wallis
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 01:54 PM

Oh, but, Vic,

I think it helps a lot.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: The Sandman
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 02:02 PM

To         Title         Date         Delete
Geoff Wallis         Re: thanks         17 Jun 2009 06:23 AM
        
                        
Message:
thanks for putting up the recordings of neily boyle, on the session,much appreciated.Dick Miles


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Geoff Wallis
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 02:07 PM

I've no idea why Dick has copied the text of a private message to me here or why he's unable to spell Néillidh Boyle's name correctly.

Is there any way of filtering private messages?


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Ron Davies
Date: 19 Jun 09 - 07:29 AM

Anybody who doesn't think that Mud E Ceilidh is a delightful satire need only look at the opening page--even the type-face and font:

Gossip and Opinion Search (Advanced)

Sort by:   Vacuity or Contentiousness


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Jun 09 - 10:44 PM

Hi this is Jan, and I want to know when the next Dirge Night will be held at Borfolk. I really miss Dirge Night. Does anyone else?

I mean you can't beat a good dirge can you? Especially when you're all sitting in a circle hoping your turn will never come because you enjoy hearing everyone else's wonderful dirges so much. Plus you can't really remember what your dirge was about anyway.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,Job-Lott
Date: 22 Jun 09 - 03:12 AM

Yeah, I miss Dirge Night too. It was a bit like Mudcat set to music!

;-)


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 22 Jun 09 - 03:35 AM

This thread is wonderful!!
Keep it up guys (Though I think I detect a bit of a sense of humour bypass going on in some quarters!)
I'm proud to be known by my new name of Harelip!
Not that I've posted anything recently. I was probably attending the ECMW event......(English Country Moaning Weekend)


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: melodeonboy
Date: 22 Jun 09 - 03:57 AM

Dirge Night? Great!

Is there still the prize of a bottle of VP British Cream Sherry for whoever gets the greatest number of deaths into any one dirge?


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jun 09 - 04:02 AM

VP Sherry?
Blimey thats a bit upmarket, isn't it?
In my day it was Watneys Red Barrel.


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Jun 09 - 11:44 PM

Jan back again. I am so thrilled that you all remember and long for the good old dirge nights. But I thought it was Bristol Cream Sherry and cheese and onion crisps that was offered as the top prize. I got so discouraged because Anne and Chris always won. My favourite dirge had twenty deaths per verse and I always fell asleep in the middle of it, so I never found out how many verses there were. Does anyone remember that one. Can you help me out here?


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Surreysinger
Date: 23 Jun 09 - 08:44 AM

Anybody noticed the dreadful rumour that Tescos is about to start taking over festivals ??


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: melodeonboy
Date: 23 Jun 09 - 10:28 AM

That wouldn't surprise me. The buggers are taking over almost everything else!

(By the way, this is a colleague announcement!)

"It was a fine and a pleasant day
In a Tesco store I was faring
And I walked for miles up and down the aisles
As I hunted for the shelves of herring"

Every little helps, my a**e!


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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,QWERTY
Date: 24 Jun 09 - 03:38 AM

I see Sally Pastyhead has got some more smilies.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/borodance/mud_e_ceilidh_tescos.htm#post10

Should keep Lizzie happy


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