Boring Folk Day

Subject: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 08:48 AM

Is anybody planning on going to Boring Folk Day? It seems to be already creating controversy on Mud-e-Ceilidh because of the inclusion of Kingsley The Vet from Loads Of Fans.

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Will Fly
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 09:04 AM

Wondrous - an excellent spat on the main thread, but I'm glad Jeff Ooer stepped in to halt it...

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 09:07 AM

Why have they copied Mudcat?

Is it some kind of take-off, but without the magic?

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Will Fly
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 09:13 AM

It's an affectionate piss-take of the Mudcat pages - just another page in a long-running and very funny spoof of this forum. A little light laughter for a hot, sunny Sunday afternoon...

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 09:15 AM

Why would folk want to take the p*ss of Mudcat though?

Who runs it?

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Vic Smith
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 09:38 AM

Who runs it?

It's run by my great friend, Frank Ingnobody, who has been running folk clubs almost as long as I have - and for long before you became interested in this genre. I won't hear a word against him.

Anyway, Frank has booked Kingsley The Vet for his BORING FOLK DAY so you'd better be careful.... you are not supposed to talk about him!

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 09:44 AM

at a guess, I would say its Lawrence Heath.
[imo]a fairly predictable,almost boring, light hearted spoof[not much has changed since Southern Rag days].,the sort of spoof,that reminds me of some of those tedious 1950 comedians like Arthur Askey,Archie Andrews,Tommy Trinder,a bit old hat.
Amusing?,about as amusing as The Navy Lark.,
still Mudcat should be flattered.,imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 10:03 AM

Why have they copied Mudcat? Is it some kind of take-off, but without the magic?

Ah, but you've got it all wrong! If the spat between Sally Pasty-Head and Deirdre Spart on Mud-e-Ceilidh isn't as funny as those regular ones between their alter egos on Mudcat, therefore Mudcat must be the humorous parody of Mud-e-Ceilidh and you don't actually exist in real life!











that's a relief then





I'm glad Jeff Ooer stepped in to halt it...

What I really want to know is whether Joe is any relation to WH Death Ooer who has apparently been edited out of photographic history between The Rotters Of Coppingdean and Elmer P. Bleaty on the cover of the latest issue of sTROOF

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 10:05 AM

Sorry, I mean Jeff . . .

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Leadfingers
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 10:07 AM

The link to Borfolk 1 didnt work for me - Do I need to download somethng ?

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Vic Smith
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 10:11 AM

Dick Miles said:-
"some of those tedious 1950 comedians like Arthur Askey,Archie Andrews,Tommy Trinder,a bit old hat."

Well. it's true that some of Archie Andrews's jokes were a bit "wooden", but then I always blamed Peter Brough for that!

(As an aside, I remember thinking at the time that having a ventriloquist on the radio rather spoiled the whole point of it...... but then who I to complain? I once featured a dancer on my radio programme! I remember lying on the studio floor holding a microphone to a dance board whilst the great Ross Allen tapped out his incredible patterns on it.)

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 10:17 AM

The Rotters Of Coppingdean and Elmer P. Bleaty on the cover of the latest issue of sTROOF

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 11:32 AM

I find the Ramblings of an old codger by Joe Stead,more amusing.

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Vic Smith
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 11:52 AM

Dick Miles said:-
"I find the Ramblings of an old codger by Joe Stead,more amusing."

Oh, yes! That Joe Stead - what a comic! He really has me in fits when I read his funnies! Here's a side-splitter from his most recent circular -

if Muslims and non-Muslims continue to breed at the present rate then the Muslim population will eventually outstrip the non-Muslim population in Great Britain. Already at my wife's old school (a Church of England school please note) the Muslim intake of children now outstrips the non-Muslim children and as a consequence my grand-daughter Jasmine has more Muslims in her class than non Muslim; and I'm wondering, if this trend continues, just what are we going to do with all the forthcoming taxi drivers, Asian restaurateurs and corner shops?

Or perhaps it is not funny. Perhaps it is deeply offensive to British Muslims. Perhaps this sounds like it could have been lifted from an election circular for the BNP.

No, on reflection, it is unacceptable and racist.

You'll have to explain what you find "amusing" in this to me, Dick.

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,Captain Jack Sparrow
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 11:52 AM

Is that edition of sTROOF available in an internet-only edition for we all at sea folk?

Fifteen men on a deadman's chest, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Geoff Wallis
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 11:53 AM

Tommy Trinder was hardly a 1950s comedian - the 1940s was his heyday. Here's a short clip of him http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-73982680102821659.

I remember seeing both Tommy and Arthur at one of the Moss Empires in the late 1950s and they were two of the funniest comedians I've ever heard. Both were also regulars on the Light Programme's 'Does the Team Think?' and Arthur made one classic film, 'The Love Match'.

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Will Fly
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 12:07 PM

For me, Arthur's classic film was "The Ghost Train".

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 12:29 PM

Ahem. So what do we think of Boring Folk Day? Have Sally P-H and Big Ed managed to derail yet another topic at birth?

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Will Fly
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 12:57 PM

well I wouldn't mind seeing Kingsley the Vet if his mate Herb Pile was going to perform alongside him.

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:03 PM

yes,I agree Vic,but did I say that the piece you quoted was funny.
you are being selective in an attempt to score a point.

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:03 PM

Not to mention The Ardent Ceilidh Boys and rare southern appearances by Ben Darbieram & Miles Wonki, and Kali Newparrot too!! Shaping up to be almost as good as Midsouth!

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Abdul The Bul Bul
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:05 PM

ERm, of thread I know but don't I recall seing T Trinder compering the Sunday night at the London Palladium on me Grannys TV. I think so and being now 60 that would put him well and truly in the 50's with Max Wall Ted Ray, J Jewel and etc....

Al

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Surreysinger
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:06 PM

I personally feel that the appearance of of Crooning:Bar:Orgasm could be quite interesting ... not to mention Ben Darbieram and Miles Wonki !

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:06 PM

OK, I surrender . . .

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:14 PM

to continue,as my post was sent off before i finished.
I said that I found The Ramblings of an old Codger by Joe Stead,more amusing than Lawrence Heath.
if you have an issue with Joe Stead,and are saying that he has said something unacceptable and racist ,contact him,but in fairness you should quote the whole of the letter,so that it is in context.
Vic,I did not say that the piece you quoted was funny,did I.
you are generalising from one particular quote,but I am not surprised because you are only interested in scoring points.

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 01:52 PM

I have never met Lawrence Heath,he does not know me personally.
if he is referring to me as Big Ed[with the implication big headed],I consider that a personal attack,if you are not referring to me,please say so.
one of the rules of this forum ,is no personal attacks.
Lawrence if you think I am big head,say it to my face.

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,Marcus H Garvey
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:19 PM

If Laurence Heather is pretending that I am Captain Fish then I consider it a curse upon my family and I will sue him and hunt him down and kill him with agony.

If not, then nevermind, as you were.

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:22 PM

Oh good, art imitating life again!

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Surreysinger
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:49 PM

Where are those engineers to mend the Mudcat/Mud-e-ceilidh interface when you need them?

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Surreysinger
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:53 PM

Incidentally, could I point out that the thread about some fundamental points about the Midsouth week has been overlooked so far ... see this link here

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:54 PM

Oh....They have SMILIES! :0)

Well, that's it...I'm a bit smitten now... LOL

I like that Sally Pastie Head, she's an Alright Kinda Gal, but...but...I'm afraid Deidre bores the pants off me...and my Eleanor Roosevelt Pants, at that.

Does Sally like Sith Lockman's music?

;0)

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,Lawrie Scroll
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 03:16 PM

"Does Sally like Sith Lockman's music?"

She probably went to see the Shakenmetal Band when Borfolk booked them.

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Vic Smith
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 04:12 PM

Oh dear! I can feel the temperature rising again. Let's see if I can do something to diffuse it…….

The most important point about Dick's reaction to my posting is where he says yes,I agree Vic . Good, so it looks like we both think what Joe wrote was wrong and that is fundamental. Everything else is more trivial.

However, you have raised points about the honesty and integrity of my actions which I hope that I can answer in a way that is non-confrontational.
You say
you are being selective in an attempt to score a point.
And elsewhere
you are generalising from one particular quote,but I am not surprised because you are only interested in scoring points.

Well, I would beg to differ. First of all, this is not the first time that Joe has made statements of a worryingly dodgy nature on this subject in his Ramblings but to my mind this was the most blatant. As for my being "selective" in the quote, if you can find a better context for that quote, please feel free to do so here. I would be delighted if a better interpretation could be put on this statement.

You say
if you have an issue with Joe Stead,and are saying that he has said something unacceptable and racist ,contact him
Well, of course, I did that, Dick. I emailed him straight away on reading it. He replied saying

Hi Vic,

I'm surprised you think this is an anti Muslim tirade……But at least you read me! Thanks for that.

Joe

I make no comment on whether you would consider this an adequate response.

Perhaps, I shouldn't have posted Joe's comment here. I certainly wouldn't have done but for your posting on Joe as an exemplar of a humorist. Humour depends as much on one's reaction to the perpetrator as much as one's reaction to the material, so I have never found Joe funny in the same way that I never found Les Dawson funny. I do find the whole Borfolk concept very funny in a way that I think is inventive and keenly observed. If you find Joe's Ramblings funnier, perhaps you could give some examples here.

Finally, could I offer you some advice, though it would probably be unwanted? Don't jump into the deep end in anger with Lawrence Heath. It is gentle harmless humour and it's not intended to hurt anyone. Look what happened when you misinterpreted a comment by Ian Anderson. You said that you ended up apologising to him over that. Don't get into a similar mess here. Look at Lizzie. She may, or may not, be Sally Pastie Head, but at least she has the grace to find Sally funny.

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 04:37 PM

Funnies



Some oldies but goodies. Enjoy!



These glorious insults are from an era when cleverness with words was still valued, before a great portion of the English language got boiled down to 4-letter words, not to mention waving middle fingers.



The exchange between Churchill & Lady Astor: She said, "If you were my husband I'd give you poison," and he said, "If you were my wife, I'd drink it."



A Member of Parliament to Disraeli: "Sir, you will either die on the gallows or of some unspeakable disease." "That depends, Sir," said Disraeli, "on whether I embrace your policies or your mistress."



"He had delusions of adequacy." - Walter Kerr



"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire." - Winston Churchill



"A modest little person, with much to be modest about." - Winston Churchill



"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow



"He has never been known to use a word that might send a reader to the dictionary." - William Faulkner (about Ernest Hemingway).



"Poor Faulkner. Does he really think big emotions come from big words?" - Ernest Hemingway (about William Faulkner)



"Thank you for sending me a copy of your book; I'll waste no time reading it." - Moses Hadas



"He can compress the most words into the smallest idea of any man I know."- Abraham Lincoln



"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain



"He has no enemies, but is intensely disliked by his friends." - Oscar Wilde



"I am enclosing two tickets to the first night of my new play; bring a friend.... if you have one." - George Bernard Shaw to Winston Churchill



"Cannot possibly attend first night, will attend second... if there is one." – Winston Churchill, in response.



"I feel so miserable without you; it's almost like having you here." - Stephen Bishop



"He is a self-made man and worships his creator." - John Bright



"His mother should have thrown him away and kept the stork." - Mae West



"Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go." - Oscar Wilde



"I've had a perfectly wonderful evening. But this wasn't it." - Groucho Marx
here are some examples of why I think Ramblings of an old codger,is funnier than BORFOLK or Boring Day.
finally,Vic, I will offer you some advice,mind your own business.

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,Roberto
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 04:48 PM

"here are some examples of why I think Ramblings of an old codger,is funnier than BORFOLK or Boring Day"

Did the old codger write all those? Wow! I agree, he's miles funnier than Borfolk ever was.

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 05:14 PM

It's good to see that the years have not dimmed Lawrence Heath's wit, nor his drawing and design skills, nor his ability to get up the noses of people who persist in seeing themselves as the objects of his humour. Sure, we can all recognize the Borfolk characters, if not in our own folk club, then in the one down the road or across the county.

But taking personal umbrage seems to be carrying a "dislike" response a bit far. If you see yourself in one of LH's caricatures (and are offended by what you see), perhaps you should look for the characteristics in your own make-up that produced that sense of recognition. It can be a painful realisation that "There's many a true word spoken in jest." If LH accidentally touched a nerve, it's no reason to jump down his throat.

Anyway, back to the positive - I couldn't find the page where you can order the Frank Ingnobody badges, T-shirts, beer-mats, bumper-stickers, guitar-case stickers, posters, banners etc, etc
And can't wait for the "missing" links.

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,baz parkes
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 05:35 PM

I was going to leap to Lawrence's defence...but the last thing he needs is my faint praise

I was going to scan in aletter from a certain DickMles sent toFolk Roots (sic) some 20years ago, then realised it said exactly the same as he says here (and there.)

If you don't like Borfolk et al,don';t read it. Icouldnever be arsed with Bernard Manning.

And...how could ANYONE possibly not see that post by Joe Stead as racist.

Butwhat do I know ....I'moneof the Froots Mafia ie I post there (and here, and MelodeonNet,and Teachit and...)

In despair...

Baz

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 06:51 PM

Eh?

Joe Stead? Bernard Manning?


Have I missed something vital?? (confused Smiley)

Joe, Joe! Mudeceilidh has SMILIES, Joe! Really COOL ones that have steam coming out of their ears, and ones that stick out their tongues!

Oh, JOE!   

Pleeeeze!   Pretty Pleeeeeeeeeeeze!

You KNOW you want to, Joe, you KNOw you DO! :0)

And you could do it whilst Max is busy working, he'd never notice...I wouldn't tell him, I promise! And even if he tied me to a rack and stretched me until I was a size zero (oh if ONLY) I'd just tell him it was Joe Ooer who'd done it!

Come on, Joe, Mudcat needs to smilies desperately! Just think of all the fun everyone could have in here.. ;0)

LoadsofFans, eh, they sound Pretty Darn Sassy! Methinks I need to investigate them a little deeper...

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 08:39 PM

I count 23 plays on 'boring' in the poster.

Now THAT'S boring.

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,Marcus H Garvey
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 08:59 PM

what do you call an Italian man with a rubber toe?


(No offence meant to Cap'n or anyone else who may or may not know someone who may or may not be Italian or have (or not have) a rubber toe.)

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 09:55 PM

Vic Smith,examine Joe Steads statement again.
I assume he is talking from first hand experience,or do you have more knowledge of the local situation than him.,if you have I would appreciate your details.
he appears to be asking a question,that needs to be adressed.
my own opinion and answer to the question,would be that serious efforts need to be made,to help immigrants integrate,desire to integrate has to be a two way process.
the answer[imo] is not to send them away as the BNP would wish.
I think it is a good sign in this particular case that Muslim children are attending a Church of England school,and that a Church of England school,is making an effort to integrate them.
the Church of England is the established church in England.
I have known Joe Stead reasonably well,and have never heard him talk in a racist way, I think you have misinterpreted what he is trying to say,which is that there could be a problem in his area which needs to be adressed.
he does not talk of repatriating immigrants, or offer a solution of any kind, he appears to be mentioning a topic for people to think about.
it is a complete over reaction to call him a racist,and to compare him to Bernard Manning,although I would have phrased differently from him[but that is a result of being on this forum,and having too many over reactions]
please explain what is Racist about bringing a topic to peoples, attention.
If we cannot talk about potential integration problems,it is unlikely that any progress will be made.
I am an Englishman ,and living in Ireland,I am an immigrant.
as an Immigrant I realise that Ireland is different in many ways, for example, Religion, Culture.
However,when stations are held in my townland,I am invited to attend,even though I am not Catholic,I am made welcome,and make a contribution in the form of[please note] IRISH traditional music,after the Ceremony.,
integration is something that cannot be forced ,but can be encouraged,and in my experience music can help to break these barriers down.

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 04:40 AM

What's that expression about "losing the thread"?

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: melodeonboy
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 04:56 AM

Well, I've already bought my tickets for Boring Folk Day. My old canvas tent and my primus is in the back of the car, and I'm ready to go!

What's the best way to get there from Milton Regis? Is it via Rosavallan Dale or Heaver Way and Jonbarley Corner?

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Chris Green
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 05:24 AM

Hilarious!







This thread, I mean (although the link at the top is funny as well...)

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 05:29 AM

melodeonboy, it all depends what time you're travelling. Heaver Way can be like a car park after 3pm - Hauler Way is less direct, but as it's not a main traffic artery it ought to get you there more quickly.

Hope that helps, darling. See you there!


Lillian

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Chris Green
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 05:50 AM

You could try approaching via Foregreen Fields but I'm told it can be interminable. Maybe coming by way of Iron Mews might be better?

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 06:00 AM

Why do I get the feeling that any minute now somebody is going to shout out "Mornington Crescent"?

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Folknacious
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 06:02 AM

PS - Marcus - What do you call an Italian man with a rubber toe, anyway?

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: GUEST,Marcus H Garvey
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 06:34 AM

PS - Marcus - What do you call an Italian man with a rubber toe, anyway?




Roberto

Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day
From: Vic Smith
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 06:36 AM

With a heavy heart, with apologies to other users of this forum, and with the promise that this will positively my last posting to this thread, allow me to deal with the points made in the latest posting to this thread by Dick Miles. Again, I do not wish to raise the temperature of the debate to the level of insult, so I will endeavour to be factual.

Dick’s posting is a defence of his long-term friend, Joe Stead. That is admirable. I have probably known Joe longer than Dick; I met him in 1964 when I was at college in South-East London and he came each week to have banjo lessons from a fellow student that I shared with. I liked Joe, went to folk clubs with him, and have always wished him well. I still send him my folk club circular and he still sends me his Ramblings. I have no wish to think badly of an old friend but some of his statements in recent Ramblings have caused me concern and the one that I have quoted above I would consider indefensible as I have already stated. Now Dick says:-

I think you have misinterpreted what he is trying to say,which is that there could be a problem in his area which needs to be adressed.

I would really like to believe that you are right, Dick. I invited you above to put my quotation from Joe in a better light by placing it in a different context. You have not done this but merely repeat the accusation that I have “misinterpretedâ€쳌 Joe.

Now, sadly, I must add further evidence of what I take to be Joe Stead’s intention in making the statement which I quoted from him above. Dick, you will have seen this, because like me, he receives Joe’s Ramblings.

Below the statement that I quoted, Joe goes on to say in the same email

please do take a snifty at …..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

What is your opinion of that video that Joe advocates, Dick? To your mind does that that video represent a fair and balanced look the world or does it strike you as being the rantings of an extreme white supremacist group? Or is this another example of me being “selectiveâ€쳌 or “misrepresentingâ€쳌 Joe?

That is the main thrust of my concerns but just for the record.
Dick says
â€쳌it is a complete over reaction to call him a racist,and to compare him to Bernard Manning

….And you will be able to quote where I have made this comparison.

Dick says
â€쳌do you have more knowledge of the local situation than himâ€쳌

No, Dick, like most of us, I only know my own local situation. I do know, however, that I get on very well with the people whose garden backs on to mine, and they - to use one of Joe’s phrases - run a corner shop.

Like you, Dick, I live in a different country from the one that I was born in. I wish that everyone that moves to England is made as welcome here as I was.