YouTube removes videos - 'copyright issues'

Subject: RE: YouTube removes videos - 'copyright issues'
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 01:01 PM

Alice - sounds like we're in agreement. As I said, I've had people post things without my permission. In all of those cases I would have granted permission if they'd asked - so in all those cases I made contact with them, told it was OK to post and asked that they correctly credit the clips (in some cases they already had).

But it does surprise me that some people will use an artist's work without permission and think that it is ok. That is a problem we need to work to correct.

Thanks Mick. I'm not sure I'm using both sides of the brain well, but I'm working at it! ;-)

Subject: RE: YouTube removes videos - 'copyright issues'
From: JedMarum
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 03:50 PM

Ooops me again above. I keep dropping my cookies!

Subject: RE: YouTube removes videos - 'copyright issues'
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 16 Jun 09 - 05:03 PM

I think it is quite important to distinguish between "courtesy" and "legality".

As far as I know, nobody can get sued for recording another artist's compositions without their express prior permission, and as long as the appropriate royalties are paid then there is bugger all the composer can do about it.

Or a meringue ? (Billy Connolly joke for the non- Scots ...)

It would however be a gross discourtesy to the composer to embark on such a course of action, but that is all it would be, just discourtesy. Or a meringue again ?

I personally think the whole YouTube thing requires a rethink on the part of the legislators and the copyright owners.

I believe that a small annual subscription to view the music videos on the site wouldn't be a bad idea, and out of this fee composers could receive an emolument proportional to the number of times the video had been viewed.

Still awaiting Richard Bridge on the "copyright of performance " issue (sic)...

Subject: RE: YouTube removes videos - 'copyright issues'
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 01:48 AM

"As far as I know, nobody can get sued for recording another artist's compositions without their express prior permission, and as long as the appropriate royalties are paid then there is bugger all the composer can do about it."

One exception to that is this: the songwriter/composer holds 'first recording rights'. Unless they are waived, NO ONE else can record the song. The instance you give pertains to published/released songs.

Subject: RE: YouTube removes videos - 'copyright issues'
From: JedMarum
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 09:34 AM

It is not the permission of the performer that is required for posting on Youtube, it is the permission of the author/composer (presumably owner of the copy right) of the song. I am sure that permission is required to republish a song on video, and you cannot just pay the license fees. Youtube is video and laws that cover publishing of video recordings are different from laws that cover publishing of audio recordings.

I know US and UK laws differ somewhat in regard to republishing an audio recording - in the US I can obtain a mechanical license fee and pay the fee and composer's permission is not required - but I believe Richard Bridge said that it is different in the UK, where Permission is required. In any case - that licensing law does not cover video. I believe you'll find that in US and in UK permission from the composer of a work that is performed within a video - is required for distribution of the video.

And of course permission and licensing for posting video of unpublished works at Youtube or anywhere else is always required.

Subject: RE: YouTube removes videos - 'copyright issues'
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 11:24 AM

"the word issue means a particular copy of a newspaper, magazine or other periodical and nothing more"

I stand by what I said

Subject: RE: YouTube removes videos - 'copyright issues'
From: JedMarum
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 01:43 PM

you're using the wrong dictionary!

;-)

Subject: RE: YouTube removes videos - 'copyright issues'
From: Skivee
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 09:31 PM

Rifleman, old boy, the word "issue" has many meanings.
In no particular order, it can mean an utterence of a periodical, the fruit of one's loins, the fruit of a collective people's loins, a point of contention, a talking point, as well as more arcane uses.
This is certainly not the first time you have heard words that have many meanings. Even a dictionary for children will contain more than one meaning for a given word where appropriate.
You may chose to use only the one meaning, but don't be surprised if learned people go ahead with other applications.

Subject: RE: YouTube removes videos - 'copyright issues'
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 10:07 PM

The stream issues from a gorge-
The postal service issued a new stamp
Steam issues from the kettle
The new CD was issued today
Joe made an issue of free speech
Pus issued from the sore

One of those words we could hardly do without.

Subject: RE: YouTube removes videos - 'copyright issues'
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 02:40 AM

One issue resulted from the 'meeting' of the duchess and head waiter.

Subject: RE: YouTube removes videos - 'copyright issues'
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 02:51 AM

. . . amongst many other issue.

Subject: RE: YouTube removes videos - 'copyright issues'
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 03:01 AM

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Subject: RE: YouTube removes videos - 'copyright issues'
From: GUEST,Bruce Michael Baillie
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 03:51 AM

Personally if I ever put anything on Youtube that I haven't written myself I always credit the original author, it's only fair to do so

Subject: RE: YouTube removes videos - 'copyright issues'
From: GUEST,tom bliss
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 04:10 AM

I can vouch for that! :-)

t

Subject: RE: YouTube removes videos - 'copyright issues'
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 02:52 PM

I really wish someone (Richard Bridge perhaps) would write a "Layman's Guide to Copyright Laws concerning Audio and Video Recording, in the UK and the US, with particular reference to Youtube " and stick it up on the net so that all future copyright enquiries could be directed there.

Subject: RE: YouTube removes videos - 'copyright issues'
From: SSlug at Home
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 03:23 PM

Hasn't there been a problem since March, which is specific to the UK?
Google's licence from the PRS lapsed because Google could not agree a fee with PRS for the next twelve months. Google started to block UK users from seeing and hearing music on Youtube, thus staying inside the law. I thought it applied only to 'official' videos so you can still see and hear your favourite artist(s)performing live, courtesy of somebody's cell phone camera!

Subject: RE: YouTube removes videos - 'copyright issues'
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 04:04 PM

"From: Skivee - PM
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 09:31 PM

Rifleman, old boy, the word "issue" has many meanings.
In no particular order, it can mean an utterence of a periodical, the fruit of one's loins, the fruit of a collective people's loins, a point of contention, a talking point, as well as more arcane uses.
This is certainly not the first time you have heard words that have many meanings. Even a dictionary for children will contain more than one meaning for a given word where appropriate.
You may chose to use only the one meaning, but don't be surprised if learned people go ahead with other applications.

You assumptions merely amuse me, Skivee 'old boy' I'm fully aware of mulitple means for words, only too aware...sorry I'm laughing AT you far too hard to continue this....*LOL*

St. Skivee the patron saint of patronising prats. *LOL*

Subject: RE: YouTube removes videos - 'copyright issues'
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 04:26 PM

Oh and one other thing, Skivee I may have been wrong about your gender..

it seems......

"Noun: skivvy ski-vee
Usage: British

A female domestic servant who does all kinds of menial work
- slavey [British]
Verb: skivvy ski-vee
Usage: British

Do menial domestic work"

back to the servant's quarters with you *LOL*

Subject: RE: YouTube removes videos - 'copyright issues'
From: Skivee
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 04:33 PM

Rifleman, I stand corrected. You are correct, There is only one correct use for the word "Issue". All other definitions are stupid. You have set me straight. I bow before your supreme word-smithery. Teehee
You have shown the light of truth and right-thinking on my unworthy comment.
"I'm fully aware of mulitple means for words, only too aware..."
You are right, having many meanings of the same word is a detestable imposition on the big brains of the English speaking world such as yourself by the forces of evil and modernist pop culture. Some might say that this sort of thing is an example of the richness and pliability that makes English such an adaptable language. But clearly they are wrong.
Teehee. You're right. you're so right.
Teehee
I bet a lot of folks think you are a funny guy, too.
Teehee.
xxxx
St. Skivee

Subject: RE: YouTube removes videos - 'copyright issues'
From: Skivee
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 04:43 PM

Teehee. You are correct again. I am a serving woman...a charlady. As such, I am insultable on the basis of being female, a menial laborer, a member of the lower classes; that is to say, not part of your aristocratic ilk. All these things show me as deserving contenpt.
Wow. There's so much I could learn about myself if I would only give your wise words a chance.
Teehee
xxxx
St. Skivee (Ms.)

Subject: RE: YouTube removes videos - 'copyright issues'
From: jeffp
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 04:48 PM

And here I thought you had a girl in every port. Didn't know it was because you swung that way. Oops, another word with multiple meanings.

Subject: RE: YouTube removes videos - 'copyright issues'
From: Skivee
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 05:09 PM

I'm sorry , JeffP.
I don't know if the "word with multiple meanings" is supposed to be "Girl", "Port", "word", or "swung".
Is it bertter to have a girl in every port, or to have every port in a girl?
And another thing; Is it better to split infinitives, or to not split infinitives?
xxxx
St. Skivee (Ms., ABS, Bi-curious)

PS Do these slop pants make my ass look fat, or is it the cupcakes?

Subject: RE: YouTube removes videos - 'copyright issues'
From: jeffp
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 05:18 PM

I was thinking of swung, but I forgot about port. A bit of port in every girl can result in a girl in every port, eh? (Nudge nudge, wink wink)