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whitby folk festival 2009

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Tig 27 Jun 09 - 06:01 PM
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Subject: whitby folk festival
From: GUEST,tatts
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 12:29 PM

Is there to be any improptu organised events this year, is this an oxymoron?


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: Tig
Date: 17 Jun 09 - 06:06 PM

There is the Train on Sunday and possibly the boat to Ruswick one day during the week - but loads going on. Just find The Station and ask or organise a Mudgather and advertise it in the pubs and Whitby Wailer.

Don't think anyone else is planning the Mudgather this year so make yourself popular and do it.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 03:48 AM

Boat to Staithes Tig, the Esk Belle cannot berth at Runswick, there's no harbour.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 03:50 AM

Should also have said the boat to Staithes is ticket only, the limited tickets are only available from two sources (me or wombat)


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: Soldier boy
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 08:20 PM

Are Moor and Coast still organising the campsite at the college?


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: GUEST,Shanty Kees
Date: 19 Jun 09 - 03:56 AM

Yes, they do organise the campsite. Details can be found on the Moor and Coast website.

Kees


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: Soldier boy
Date: 20 Jun 09 - 10:17 AM

Thanks Shanty Kees.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: Betsy
Date: 20 Jun 09 - 03:04 PM

When is Whitby this year?


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: Wyrd Sister
Date: 20 Jun 09 - 04:40 PM

As ever, the week before the last Monday in August (i.e. August Bank Holiday), this year 22nd-28th.

website


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: GUEST,Joe
Date: 21 Jun 09 - 04:36 AM

Also Regatta on the Monday so if you want to be in a pub on the Monday find a seat early and keep it!!


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: nutty
Date: 21 Jun 09 - 07:06 AM

Yes - this is one of those years when the Festival and the Regatta clash.
This is because the Regatta weekend is dependent on the times of high tide.
It means that for the first weekend - Sat/Sun/Mon - Whitby will be absolutely heaving. So,as is noted above, pub space is at a premium.
As is accomodation and camping.

I love Whitby (but I hate crowds) but so this year I probably won't visit until things have quietened down.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Jun 09 - 10:00 AM

It also clashes next year as well. Two weeks earlier the tides are just about the same, the maximum daily difference between the tides on the two weeekends is 13 minutes, mind you I'll be out as a rescue boat on at least one day, foot in both camps !


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: Tig
Date: 22 Jun 09 - 06:27 PM

Look Raggy you know I have no sense of geography and a crap memory!
Please save me and Badger a ticket each so I can try and remember better this time :-)

See you there.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: Pistachio
Date: 23 Jun 09 - 02:34 PM

Linda and I will be there for the first 3 days(at least).Hope to catch up with you Nutty.
H.x


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 07:04 AM

I've had the timing of the Regatta explained to me and it does make sense, the timing is based on the strength of the tide not just the time when high tide occurs. If there is a very high tide when it ebbs the flow is very strong, too strong for the rowers to compete against and that would present dangers to all involved. So the actual height of the tides has to be taken into account when calculating the date of the Regatta, the fact that the tide two weeks earlier is at the same time of day does not mean that the Regatta can take place then.
The height of the tide as you will all know is dependant on the particular phase of the moon, the graviational pull of which varies according to whether it is a crescent, quarter, half or full moon.

Hope that clears it up for you.

cheers

Raggy


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: squeezeboxhp
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 05:48 PM

as be there anyhow so when is the mudgather?


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: oombanjo
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 12:11 PM

at low tide?


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: Tig
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 06:01 PM

Don't think anyone is organising one this year. Are you going to sort out one?

Raggy, which day is the boat please? I've got to make sure I'm not on campsite duty at the time.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: Raggytash
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 04:18 AM

Hi Tig,

Tuesday for the boat, boarding at 4.45pm, sailing at 5pm arrive Staithes 6.15pm depart Staithes 7.15pm arrive Whitby 8.15.

Oombanjo, they don't race at low tide


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: oombanjo
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 09:50 AM

hi Raggy that was 4 the MUDcat gathering!see you there


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: Valmai Goodyear
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 02:54 PM

Spare Parts are looking forward to running concertina part-playing sessions at Whitby Folk Week this year, with the aim of working up a couple of sets for the workshop showcase concert at the end of the week.

We'll be putting the music on our website very soon in midi, pdf and abc format for anyone who wants to give it a kicking in advance. Further and better particulars soon.

Valmai


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: Pistachio
Date: 28 Jul 09 - 05:49 AM

Hissyfit back from Warwick and looking forward to Whitby. Just got our timetable for Sun/Mon Tue. See you there,
Hazel.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: Valmai Goodyear
Date: 28 Jul 09 - 01:04 PM

Bryan Creer has been hard at work and has put the arrangements we're using for the concertina part-playing sessions on the tunes page
of the Spare Parts website.

They are in Word, PDF and MIDI files. The MIDI files have normal and slow versions. Each tune is played five times.

Do get in touch if you can't make them work or want any help.

Valmai


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: Folkiedave
Date: 28 Jul 09 - 03:30 PM

Got ours too. Sheffield City Morris. Dancing up the kind of morris storm that can only be whipped up by morris ddancers with bus passes.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 28 Jul 09 - 04:46 PM

Whitby Scratch will almost certainly be out on Monday, Wednesday and Friday.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: GUEST,Muppett
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:49 PM

Anyone free on sat for becki and mine handbinding    details to follow


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: GUEST,youngfolkie
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:53 PM

No sign of The Young'uns on the lineup AGAIN! Ridiculous.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: Banjiman
Date: 31 Jul 09 - 04:04 AM

"No sign of The Young'uns on the lineup AGAIN! Ridiculous."

They're pretty good at ignoring newer/ younger localish talent, here are some more examples of Yorkshire/ Northeast acts making a bit of a splash and being studiously ignored by this festival:

Anna Shannon (Went down a storm last year but was refused a slot this year)

Ian McKone

Brother Crow

Wendy Arrowsmith

I could go on...........

Oh and a bonus The Young 'uns to remind everyone what they are missing!

Still, I hope everyone enjoys it. We would be there for at least some of the time but we're playing & holidaying in Scotland!

Paul


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: Banjiman
Date: 31 Jul 09 - 05:17 AM

Oooops, I've just re-read this and it sounds really confrontational.

Wasn't meant to be, just highlighting some local talent!

Apologies.

Paul


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: GUEST,MC Fat (at work)
Date: 31 Jul 09 - 05:53 AM

i should imagine The Youn Uns will turn up at the Station sing a round they usually do,


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: MoorleyMan
Date: 31 Jul 09 - 07:10 AM

Don't worry Banjiman my friend, you're in good company!
As you say, there's plenty of other localish talents that are regularly ignored by Whitby, even the more "traditional" ones that you'd expect the festival to embrace.

Still, at least you do have the consolation that your own and your proteges' talents are recognised by plenty of other festival organisers. Just keep on keepin' on!


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: dozy rozy
Date: 31 Jul 09 - 07:41 AM

Muppett.Which sat?Love to be there.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: GUEST,Michelin Man
Date: 31 Jul 09 - 08:09 AM

You could have a Whitby Folk Festival (Mark 2) featuring all the up and coming local talent and more established artistes from near and far who never get booked.

I would have thought with Malcom no longer 'in charge' the other committee members would by now have become more enlightened to what is out there in the world of folk.

Still we live in hope.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: GUEST,M&C
Date: 31 Jul 09 - 08:18 AM

Campsite filling up fast especially for the first weekend (which will include all week as well... only 20 pitches left for this)

The rest of the week is better...

See : http://www.moorandcoast.co.uk/folk_week.html

If you know of people who are thinking of camping with us please let them know...

Moor & Coast


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: Mo the caller
Date: 31 Jul 09 - 10:29 AM

Whibty is remarkably good value for the ticket-buyers.
Maybe they can't afford too many young uns, or the young ones can't afford to be at Whitby, if they have to make a living and don't have school holidays.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival
From: Willa
Date: 31 Jul 09 - 03:26 PM

Programmes now available; have sent off for mine.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 03:58 AM

I've just revisited this thread and realised that the info regarding the times of the boat to Staithes is incorrect

Boarding             17.45
Depart Whitby         18.00
Arrive Staithes       19.15
Depart Staithes       20.15
Arrive Whitby         21.15

Tickets going fast!


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 08:04 AM

come and see Hissyfit with John Conolly and Dave and Julie Evardson -'Songs of the muddy Humber'


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: GUEST,padgett on lap top
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 09:27 AM

Yes there are many talented youngsters out there

Whitby has "traditionally" used a great amount of goodwill and recent times have been full of changes to management, or should I say Volunteers who can and want to help in all areas

A festival this size takes some doing

I for one have been keen on the fringe pub events, which has been very well served particularly in the Station formerly Tap and Spile

There are of course a number of great guests on the bill ~ see above for one!

Ray


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 09:29 AM

I shall be there again this year, doing my bit, stewarding to earn me keep.

J


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Paul Davenport
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 11:12 AM

Extraordinary … a folk forum in which there are people more worried about the age of the performers rather than how good they are at their craft.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 11:24 AM

They want their instruments to be old though ;)


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Banjiman
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 01:08 PM

"Extraordinary … a folk forum in which there are people more worried about the age of the performers rather than how good they are at their craft."

That's certainly not what I said above.

Have a listen to the links I posted above and tell me the artists mentioned are not good enough to grace any festival stage...... however old they are.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 02:04 PM

Michelin Man,

Malcolm always gave young and up-and-coming talent a fair crack of the whip.
White Rose Morris
Sherburn and Bartley (when young)
The Pack and all their various combinations
Sharon
As a regular MC in Malcolm's days there was always a good mix of all ages.
Of course any sensible organiser is going to stick with what he knows mostly and rebook artists who he knows can cut it.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 04:47 PM

Add 422 to the list above


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Willa
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 05:20 PM

Sam Lee and The Askew sisters are two young acts this year


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 06:49 PM

Must catch both Sams, Lee and Pirt. They both gave amazing presentations at YG's seminar on Folk Music in education couple o' weeks back.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 09:55 AM

Muppett, do give more details!


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 09:57 AM

Any tickets left for boat, Nick? Could you squeeze in 2 ducks and 2 ducklings?


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Paul Davenport
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 10:36 AM

'tell me the artists mentioned are not good enough to grace any festival stage......'
I listened, and… maybe some festival stages certainly not any.
They all seem to have a greater leaning to 'pop' style performance than 'traditional' and I guess that's where they might be less likely to be booked at WFW?


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: GUEST,Joe
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 11:08 AM

Traditional is boring


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Surreysinger
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 11:50 AM

Guest Joe ... might be to you, but it certainly isn't to me and plenty of others . And since Whitby is basically a traditonal festival it probably isn't for you!! Maybe you ought to try Cambridge ?


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: GUEST,Joe
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 12:02 PM

I think that it is exciting to move forward a bit, and include new ideas - that is how it started in the first place? I bit of diversity never hurt anyone? Whitby is an exciting inspiring place, it seems a shame to stay sill there?


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Banjiman
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 12:15 PM

Paul Davenport:

Pop? Are you deaf?

I've really not heard many unaccompanied pop songs. I would agree that a couple of the artists mentioned are fairly contemporary and write their own material (Anna Shannon, Brother Crow- still a long way from pop though!). The others (Young'uns, Wendy Arrowsmith) are mainly pretty traditionally styled doing a lot of (and in one case exclusively, Ian McKone) traditional songs.

Quite accept you may not like them but your description shows a complete lack of critical listening ability on your part.

BTW alot of the artists at Whitby aren't exclusively trad/ trad styled either.

BTW (Again) Trad is not always boring....... depends how it is done and who is doing it.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: GUEST,padgett on lap top
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 12:28 PM

A really good mix is needed, I feel and there are certainly old and new singers and singer-songwriters of exceptional ability

It is one strand of "moving forward" within the living tradition

Hold on to the good bits of the tradition and build upon it in the traditional style e.g John Conolly, Hissyfit, Dave and JUlie Evardson, Anna Shannon, Geoff Lawes,

Ed Rennie, Ruth and Sadie, The ASkews,and shanty man extraordinaire Jim Mageean

Good to see the "traditional" singers and musicians too!

Ray Padgett


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Banjiman
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 02:54 PM

Some Pop Music? from North Yorkshire.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Folkiedave
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 04:13 PM

That there Shagpile - they are traditional I believe.....

In the meantime an early view of the artists can be heard on "Thank Goodness It's Folk" this coming Friday.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Paul Davenport
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 05:43 PM

A 'pop' style is just that. It's not a comment on content or melody but on structure and form. 'Traditional' song is simpler in structure and, as 'Joe' puts it, can be quite tedious to an uneducated ear. 'Pop' songs are stylistically linked to other 'art' musics and as such display a more sophisticated form both in terms of accompaniment, presentation and verse structure and the relationship of verse to chorus, or middle eight or whatever other devices are used to break up what would otherwise be an essential repetition of melody and rhyming pattern.
Deaf, no I'm not. Discriminating, yes. Argumentative, certainly. As for listening, I do so much of it in my day job that I no longer have a musical preference, I simply hear what is there. I don't like or dislike any of it particularly and I'd be the last person to decry a singer who is talented enough to create their own original material. I merely reiterate, the material I heard tends towards a style more identifiable with popular music than with traditional music. :-)


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Banjiman
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 06:06 PM

Judging by your earlier comments (e.g. Extraordinary … a folk forum in which there are people more worried about the age of the performers rather than how good they are at their craft.) I don't accept that you are being as objective as you last post tries to suggest.

You used the term "pop" in a concious way to put these artists down. It's a pretty damning indictment on a forum such as Mudcat. They clearly do not sing or play pop music by any categorisation that the majority of people would understand.

Have you never sung a modern song or added musical accompaniment to your singing? (It's OK, I know the answer is yes to both).


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 02:38 PM

A festival that tries to please everybody generally doesn't please anybody very much. Whitby has developed a character of its own--one that draws folks like me a goodly distance to attend whenever it's possible. There are lots of festivals for music in more contemporary styles.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Banjiman
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 03:15 PM

Dick, have you listened to the artists I've mentioned?

My contention is that they do not all present folk music in a "contemporary" style. I'm not arguing with the ethos of the festival (which does put on quite a lot of contemporary folk & singer/ songwriters anyway).

I'm just asking for some of the high quality newer Yorks/ N.E. artists be given a fair chance. I have mentioned 5 artists; 2 fairly contemporary (but folky), 2 who do a mixture of some newer songs and some trad songs (both in a pretty trad style) and 1 who does exclusively trad songs in Martin Carthyesque kind of way (but is probably a better guitarist).

They're really not out of step with what Whitby Folk Week already does.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: oombanjo
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 04:18 PM

Comown! any old timers around? cheers oombanjo


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Les from Hull
Date: 11 Aug 09 - 11:29 AM

There has been fringe old timey in the front room of the Board Inn during some afternoons, but I don't know if this is a regular thing, John. Anybody got some real information?


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 11 Aug 09 - 05:09 PM

Didn't know that, Les. Have to listen out for that.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 11 Aug 09 - 06:15 PM

Well, I've heard Sam Lee and the Askew sisters in the last week, and they were brilliant. And I'm looking forward to hearing the Young'Uns too!

Kitty


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Diva
Date: 11 Aug 09 - 06:37 PM

Maggie and I will be heading back in your direction. We had a rare time last year. Looking forward to the daily ballad session.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 11 Aug 09 - 06:54 PM

And we'll try to catch up with you this year!


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: GUEST,eliza c
Date: 11 Aug 09 - 10:14 PM

Hiya Paul (Davenport), hope you're well.
   Do you really think that traditional music is simpler than pop? Aside from the fact that it was at one point pop music itself, what about Quebecois crooked tunes, Balkan music, Tralalero, MORRIS??? I'm surprised. What could be simpler than a tune like "Stand by Me"?
On a more positive note, it's the Beatles for the ceilidh on Thursday this year, fancy dress as usual. Does anyone have an idea for the competition? The funny bikes were so good last year I would love to do the same again, but I don't want to give anyone the chance to prepare...
x e


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Paul Davenport
Date: 12 Aug 09 - 06:54 AM

Hi Eliza, pretty good, I just can't help getting into arguments though. I was talking structure and form. When you look at modern, that is post 1960s popular music you find a lot of stuff that is additional to the words and melody. I reckon that this makes it structurally more complex than a thirty + verse Child ballad, BUT… the simple repetitive structure of the latter can make it much more of an intellectual challenge. I don't think folk songs were once pop songs. Both words are meaningless when trying to describe a genre. We use 'Stand By Me' as a whole scheme of work in KS3, it's a brilliant example for kids to get their heads around, riffs, ostinati, syncopation etc. just because its repetitive doesn't make it simple in the same way that the 'simple' structure of folk songs can hide another kind of complexity…do you think that's enough to start another row? :-)


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 12 Aug 09 - 07:07 AM

Hi Eliza, how about funky flower power glasses!
On the subject of ballads, I would like to think of them as the soap operas of their day rather than pop songs. Maybe the argument should be turned on its head and the question asked'is pop the folk music of today?' Discuss :)


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Wyrd Sister
Date: 12 Aug 09 - 07:56 AM

Oh boy can I sense a queue forming around 'Paul's Pillar' at the spa this year! Should be fun!


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: GUEST,squeezeboxkc at work
Date: 12 Aug 09 - 08:10 AM

is there any chance of the mudcat quarter peal going ahead or even a meet on the Thursday evening practice 7.30 till 9.00.
any mudcat ringers would be welcome Sunday morning for pre service ringing


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 12 Aug 09 - 08:17 AM

Characters from folk songs Liza.
I can already see someone dressed as Lizzie Borden :)


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: alanww
Date: 12 Aug 09 - 11:57 AM

Hey Raggytash
I've just managed to confirm that I can come this year - brill! But I won't be there until late on Sunday, as I'm performing at (the new) Moira Furness FF.
Any chance of two tickets for the Staithes boat trip for Sandy and me, please?
"I like to rise ..."
Alan


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: GUEST,Sarah, Barnsley
Date: 12 Aug 09 - 01:06 PM

squeezeboxkc,

what time's sunday morning ringing? not too early I hope....

Going to try to make it to the evening practise this year

Sarah


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 12 Aug 09 - 06:01 PM

What's Lizzie Borden got to do with the Beatles? Maybe Maxwell!


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Aug 09 - 10:12 AM

No problem Alan, two tickets safely stashed ready for you and Sandy


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Aug 09 - 10:36 AM

OOps, may have got my wires crossed there Mrs D.
Flares then?


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Soldier boy
Date: 13 Aug 09 - 04:01 PM

Dozy rosy and Mrs Duck Re: Muppett and Bekis' Hand Fast, see seperate thread here on Mudcat with this title.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 13 Aug 09 - 05:16 PM

Raggy did you see my previous post about the boat?


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 14 Aug 09 - 05:30 PM

Paul,
'I don't think folk songs were once pop songs'
This is taking playing devil's advocate to extremes.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: GUEST,Waterdragon
Date: 15 Aug 09 - 11:14 AM

Please Raggytash,will you keep me two tickets for the boatride to Staithes.We had such a great time last year, a repeat performance would be most welcome.
Thanks in advance.
Waterdragon.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Paul Davenport
Date: 15 Aug 09 - 11:24 AM

Steve,
surely to think they were is to make a gross generalisation? Popular some may have been but 'pop' is a 20th century definition of a particular commercial product deliberately designed to have a very short shelf life.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: The Sandman
Date: 15 Aug 09 - 12:41 PM

here is a ballad that has always been popular,and has ben sung outside the folk revival
[I remember hearing a cleaning lady singing this while she was working]when I was about 8 years old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_PoPY-mDpA&feature=channel_page


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: The Sandman
Date: 15 Aug 09 - 01:41 PM

I'm just asking for some of the high quality newer Yorks/ N.E. artists be given a fair chance. I have mentioned 5 artists; 2 fairly contemporary (but folky), 2 who do a mixture of some newer songs and some trad songs (both in a pretty trad style) and 1 who does exclusively trad songs in Martin Carthyesque kind of way (but is probably a better guitarist).quote Banjiman
Paul your meaning is not clear,are you implying the guitarist is a better guitarist than Martin.?and what is a Martin Carthyesque style.,do you mean using open tunings?
finally if the organisers of Whitby festival are reading this,I have not been booked at the festival since the mid nineties,although I was regularly booked before I moved to Ireland in 1990.
my music is available at Dickmilesmusic,and is free to download.
Dick Miles http://www.dickmiles.com


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Paul Davenport
Date: 15 Aug 09 - 03:12 PM

Dick,
I seem to recall reviewing one of your CDs for EDS. A cracker I thought. Booking of artists at Whitby is a bit of a mystery to me too but I'm sure that it'll get better as the new regime settles into place. The new team has only been at it two years (2009 is the third bearing in mind that they had to make 2007 the same as previously run or people would start to complain about change – that's before they complained about no change)


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: The Sandman
Date: 15 Aug 09 - 03:24 PM

personally,I think it is the number one venue in England.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Dennis the Elder
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 12:12 PM

personally, I believe you are correct in this matter.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 12:53 PM

Stewarding at Whitby for the first time this year. Can someone tell me which entrance is the correct one, for the Rugby Club camping?
There appears to be one beside the stand, and another at the back of the pitches.

Thanks

John


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Tig
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 02:20 PM

It's the one by the pitches John, though depending on wind, weather, life, the universe and everything you may be asked after pitching to move your car to the carpark. There will be good reasons if you are.

I'm one of the stewards on there again this year so I'll start the chant early

DO NOT ALLOW TYRES ONTO THE PLAYING SURFACES UNDER PAIN OF DEATH!!!!!

The Rugby Club are great to us so we have to play fair by them. Stop at the gate and we'll tell you which area to camp in so you are with your team/friends.

Let's hope it's a dry Whitby this year.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 02:42 PM

Thanks Tig, look forward to seeing y'all again. Whitby is my favourite festival, [of those I've been to that is]

John


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: GUEST,padgett on lap top
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 03:01 PM

Yes I do think that the new regime needs time to develop and see and review all its policies from fund raising to booking policy!

Organising a festival of and on this scale is no simple task and needs volunteers as well as "booked" artists

Good luck to the 2009 Wff and maybe better insight will evolve

Ray Padgett


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 03:05 PM

Maybe now they will have Dave Goulder back as a guest.

J


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: flaj
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 03:42 PM

Looking forward to seeing Badger and Tig and others again this year, though not as much as I saw of Tig in the showers the year we got our timings mixed up!

I'll be at the Yacht Club again stewarding mornings as previously (I hope).

Flaj.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 01:48 PM

Paul,
A generalisation undoubtedly, but not IMHO a gross one. The broadside presses/hacks were churning out what was the earlier equivalent of today's 'pop' music. I don't think 'intentional short shelflife' comes into it. Plenty of the pop songs of the past 60 years have entered oral tradition just as they always did. We don't sing them in folk clubs very often because we prefer the pop songs of earlier centuries.





Stir! stir!


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Paul Davenport
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 04:52 PM

Steve wrote,
'The broadside presses/hacks were churning out what was the earlier equivalent of today's 'pop' music'.
But that's exactly my point, they were'nt. They were writing verses - occasionally, but by no means usually, indicating melodies that might be used as mnemonics. Others were writing songs which were transmitted through aural means as well as via books and songsheets, the latter having musical motation included. We weren't there when the early blackletter ballads were printed but I think that there is a strong argument that the indication of tune was for the function of remembering to ensure accurate transmission of the verbal content. The ballads themselves dealt with themes far wider than modern pop and it seems to me that, although many of them wind up as 'folk' songs, this was not originally the function for which they were created. The conversion from social commentary to folk song is merely fortuitous. If you were not a singer/collector of folk song I think you would see them in a different light. Like Cecil Sharp, you have formed your opinion and the facts, for you, will therefore fit it. The sea-shanty, the hunting song, carols and hymns as well as work songs and the huge body of art music via opera etc were never 'pop' nor even the equivalent of pop, they were and are songs with specifically restricted function. They might have been printed on broadsides because they were 'popular' but I still doubt they were so printed in order to make them popular.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: peregrina
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 05:28 PM

"specifically restricted function"

I think you are conflating purpose and function here.

I doubt any music has a 'specifically restricted function' for the ones who 'consume' it, whether pop, the old ballads, shanties or whatever. Of course, those who purvey it might or might not have a narrow sense of their own purpose, but somewhere along the way, there is an irreducible impulse that resists single-fold characterization.

Have you seen John Cohen's film 'The End of an Old Song' recently?

Cohen recorded Dillard Chandler saying some very moving things about the place of ballad singing in his community. Cohen's own attempt to distill all that into a few aphorisms had a bit less depth and richness, but still affirmed something about the tenacity of attachment to the old songs.

There's lots of recent stuff about music and the brain (Oliver Sacks, Levitin and so on), but really, we don't need the scientists to show that song (pop, traditional or whatever) is profoundly important to human beings, and for reasons that elude simple cataloguing. But then--if you analyze it exclusively as a commodity, you lose the mystery of art.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 05:37 PM

Back to Whitby Folk Festival


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Tig
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 05:38 PM

Hopefully we've two sets of showers now flaj so such 'shocking' behaviour shouldn't happen again :-)

I'm not sure whether there's any practises etc this year which will mean we can't use them whilst they are on but we'll put a notice up at the caravan if this is so. Keep an eye out though because sometimes they forget to tell us in advance.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Paul Davenport
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 05:40 PM

peregrina writes; 'if you analyze it exclusively as a commodity, you lose the mystery of art.' You may or may not be right, but it is a commodity. The trouble is we live in a consumer society and ultimately everything becomes a commodity. The placing of value judgements on art is as inevitable as placing a price on it. Steve and I were discussing an historical context which revolves around his earlier assertion that folk songs were once pop songs. A point which I refute for the reasons in my previous posting. For me, analysis does nothing but illuminate and expand the 'mystery'. The creator of a sea shanty in context is doing it to get a job done, it is not a conscious artistic creation in the way that a work by Dibdin might have been in the same time period.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 06:00 PM

Paul,
Of course they don't (can't) function exactly like modern pop songs, but they are the nearest equivalents of their time. They were commercial products, largely written as commercial products. In many cases (not all) they were written by the same chap who was singing and selling them in the street. They sometimes had a dual purpose but so do some modern pop songs, those that are meant to convey a message and influence. Those songs that weren't printed on broadsides and are now called folk songs form a very small percentage. Even the folk carols were printed on broadsides and many owe their popularity to this. Most hunting songs were printed on broadsides. Sea shanties, largely okay only a few on broadsides, but these did have a specific purpose and had influences from all sorts of genres.

Themes dealt with. I'm not so sure I agree with this as well. I think if you analysed the theme range you would come up with pretty close analogies. It would make a very interesting study though.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Betsy
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 07:17 PM

just enjoy playing ,singing,listening and drinking and have a good craic - life's too short for all this analysis.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: GUEST,padgett on.lap top
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 03:59 AM

Mr Betts, I am glad you're thinking this way again

Good to see you at Saltburn, better with this head on I reckon!

Ray Padgett


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 04:12 AM

Could I humbly suggest a separate thread for the analysis of pop v folk status.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: mouldy
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 04:16 AM

I'll look forward to see you lot there - got elder daughter, plus 8 month old, for the first half of the week, so I'm not sure how much of whatever I'll be doing!

As for the Beatles night, here's an advance warning for if I get brave...I have acquired a couple of 1960s (SHORT) dresses - now I have to work out a way for a 57 year old granny to get away with wearing what she wore 40 years ago!

Andrea


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: John Routledge
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 08:07 AM

Thanks for the reminder Andrea. Didn't feel up to ABBA fancy dress last year.

Roll on Saturday


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 09:58 AM

just a thought if Whitby is a traditional festival why Rock and Roll Wed night (Shagpile)and Beatles Thurs night discuss :-)


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: nutty
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 10:51 AM

Whitby has 'traditional' leanings but is in no way stuck in the dark ages. Primarily it is all about people enjoying themselves - all ages included - as many people use Whitby Week as their annual holiday.

There is a huge amount of diversity at Whitby. You should really go and find out for yourself GUEST.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Northerner
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 12:02 PM

I'm hoping to be there.   Not booked this year but will be enjoying it just the same. Will be day-tripping it.

Diane Taylor


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 12:22 PM

Apologies, RT.
Back to the point.
Whitby has always had a great reputation and policy for booking traditional/source performers, and that apart it is arguably the only weeklong festival in the north that has a very strong traditional theme. Having said that, like any other festival it has to pay its way and there is enough diversity amongst its hundreds of events to please just about anybody. The inclusion of the now traditional (at least 20 years) 'Bob till you Drop' on the Wednesday night only adds to that variety and diversity. Because it is a weeklong festival and because it has such diversity it can easily afford to encompass a wide variety of unusual events you wouldn't normally find at say a weekend festival. Punters and performers come from all over the world to be at Whitby Festival. They must be doing something right!!


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 12:27 PM

Andrea, just do it!


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Folkiedave
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 06:26 PM

The inclusion of the now traditional (at least 20 years) 'Bob till you Drop' on the Wednesday night only adds to that variety and diversity.

For information

I researched this as part of last week's programme ("Thank Goodness It's Folk" on Sheffield Live) )on the Whitby Folk Festival. It started (I was reliably informed) in 1985. Searched high and low for a copy of the Shagpile CD recorded live at Whitby in 1995. Thanks to Ron Day I played Dave singing "Money Honey". And damned good it was too.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: LesB
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 07:36 PM

Rock and Roll Wed night (Shagpile)and Beatles Thurs night
Dont forget in the fringe there is the 'Lunchtime Legends' gig at the Elsinore Wed lunchtime.
Cheers
Les


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Soldier boy
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 09:31 PM

This thread is supposed to be about Whitby Folk Festival so why are some individuals trying to choke it with some never ending pseudo - intellectual debate about the origins or distinction of Folk/pop music or whatever they are rambling on about?

look guys, I know you must lead very boring lives so why don't you just start your OWN thread on this obviously terribly important subject that means so much to you and bore yourselves to death to your hearts content in your own forum.

But please, for f---- sake, get off of this thread!!!

Sorry to be so rudely blunt folks but I am obviously not as patient or tolerant as most others on this thread who have not engaged with or been sucked into this pseudo - intellectual twaddle and have so far politely skirted round it.
The people that know me here know that I will tell it as it is..and not mince my words!
This sort of thing gets me so bloody mad. So to those concerned, please do us all a really big favour and clear off to start your own new thread or go and 'infect' some other buggers thread but don't carry on with your inane twaddle here.

Thank you

Chris


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: mouldy
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 04:33 AM

Jane - be careful what you wish for!

Andrea


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Wyrd Sister
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 06:11 AM

Andrea - Jane got in first with MY reply.

Soldier Boy - the 'pseudo-intellectual' debate is a part of what I actually enjoy about Whitby week. Ease up a bit! As for accusing some of leading boring lives - I wish my life was that boring!


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: selby
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 06:30 AM

I always thought this was the mudcat discussion forum and in discussions things move around from in this instance pop music or not for Paul and Steve to Mouldy wearimng a mini skirt (go for it I might) Soldier Boy lighten up and enjoy what is on offer you don't have to read it all and you don't have to agree with it all but you can enjoy it


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 07:07 AM

I'm with Soldier Boy on this one, the debate is fine but is not directly connected to the topic of this thread, please gentleman start another thread, I did suggest this yesterday prior to Soldier Boys input.

I'm anticipating the first visitors to arrive today, before we moved to Whitby we normally arrived on the Thursday so we could get on Stoupes Cross campsite (when it still took tents)

Has anyone got any ideas of gatherings on Thursday or Friday prior to the start of the festival proper


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: GUEST,chrisonuovo
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 07:26 AM

Can anyone tell me, please, if there is morris dancing on at Whitby over the coming folk singing/festival week from Saturday 22nd August? I can't seem to find any info on the usual websites - but it's probably just me! Thanks v. much. I'd like to know days and times and places if anyone knows.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: LesB
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 08:26 AM

Black Adder Rapper & Clog • Camden Clog • Flag & Bone Gang • Goathland Plough Stots • Inclognito • Jetset • Mortimers Morris • Newcastle Kingsmen • Redcar Longsword • Rivington Morris • Sciorr • Sheffield City Morris, are on the guest list, plus a few others for the weekend. Plus Whitby Scratch Morris at some point, also there's alway a couple of rapper tours at night during the week.
Workshops in most if not all styles of morris are running all week.
Dance displays at Scorebsy Monument, Cpt Cooks Monument (Not weekend), Bandstand (not weekend), The Cresent (weekend only)o/s the office (weekend only) & usually East side Market.
So not a lot then!
Cheers
Les


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Folkiedave
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 08:51 AM

And Sheffield City have taken the option of dancing for some days and running workshops for others. Do come along. Green trousers are not compulsory.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: LesB
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 09:47 AM

Softies. Last year we ran workshops and danced all week.
Cheers
Les


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Folkiedave
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 10:14 AM

Softies? It's an age thing!!


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: LesB
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 10:22 AM

Perhaps we could start a "our dancers are older than your dancers thread"?
:)
Les


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Paul Davenport
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 11:19 AM

Ok RT and Soldier Boy, point taken. But if you start at the beginning and read the whole thread (note the word, 'thread') you'll see how Steve and I got where we got to. So, end…except, what constitutes 'pseudo' intellectual, as opposed to 'intellectual'? :-)


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Soldier boy
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 02:04 PM

Thanks Paul for finally getting the point.

Thanks also for your invitation to start at the beginning of Steve and yours absolutely gripping and highly intelligent and intelectual debate and then plow through it all to it's most earnest and very clever conclusion but..I...think....I'll......just... (yawn).... pass.............on................that..................(yawn)..................if...................you ................(yawn)............................don't................................................mind..........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: bill\sables
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 02:25 PM

Morris dancing spot every day at the craft fair in the leisure centre.
Over 30 traders in musical instruments, music publications, jewlery, paintings, clothing, CD's, clogs, pottery, etc.
Opening times are 1 00pm till 5 30 Saturday
and 10 00 till 5 30 Sunday till Thursday
and 10 00 till 2 00 Friday
Mudcat Tee shirts will be on sale.
The leisure centre is near the fesival office in the large cliff top car park.
Bill


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: GUEST,Ebor_fiddler
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 03:59 PM

I, for one, am looking foward to seeing Andrea's legs! :-) My wife won't let me wear what I wore a Whitby in the 60's! (Boohooooo ... .. )


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 06:08 PM

Anyway, back to the thread, lets talk about Whitby Folk Festival.


when is Andrea going to appear !!!!


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 06:50 PM

Can't find it in the programme :)


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Les from Hull
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 07:10 PM

Well as long as it's not going to be official kit for Whitby Scratch Morris musicians!


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 07:24 PM

Only the men lol


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: GUEST,Ruston
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 02:11 AM

Just a bit more morris info; Due to the Regatta being on at the same time, there will be no parade on Saturday as in past years and no dancing at the Bandstand until Monday. On Sunday afternoon at around 3:45 there is a Dance Concert featuring all the guest teams at the Spa. There will be dance spots at Scoresby and Cat Cooks as usual.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: mouldy
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 06:38 PM

I'm after some thick and supporting tights to soften the blow a bit!

I may try and dig out the danskins that are lurking somewhere at the back of a drawer....leftovers from the old glam gym days of the early 90s!

And IF I get the legs out, it will be on Thursday night for the Beatles do. I could get people to sponsor me not to do it!

Andrea

To paraphrase Nanny Ogg: "Acting my age isn't a problem; but as for NOT acting my age....!"


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Folkiedave
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 06:42 PM

My wife won't let me wear what I wore a Whitby in the 60's!

If I could only get into what I wore in the sixties.

And the 70's.

And the 80's

And the 90's.

In fact I can't get into what I am wearing at the festival.....


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Soldier boy
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 07:57 PM

I'll be comong up on Monday. Hope I won't be too late to catch Angela's legs!


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: mouldy
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 05:49 AM

That'll be Thursday night in the Pavilion - IF my courage (or the hosiery) doesn't fail me!

Andrea


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: selby
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 06:03 AM

Shame we will miss you, coming home to go to Shrewsbury Fri morning but will look forward to seeing photos, in a plain brown envelope please:-))


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Les from Hull
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 12:24 PM

Maggie is confined to barracks with severe back pain at the moment, hoping to be fit and join us later in the week (Thursday or so) but that depends on her getting better. What a time to get ill!


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Wyrd Sister
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 01:37 PM

Maggie we'll miss you! Lots of healing massage-y thoughts and hope to see you sooner than you think likely x


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 05:17 PM

Oh poor Maggie. Give her our love and tell her to hurry up and get better. xx


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: mouldy
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 05:24 PM

She'd better hurry up and get herself and her beautiful muff better. T'wouldn't be Whitby if I didn't hear her sing it!

Poor lass. Bad backs are the pits.

Andrea


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Soldier boy
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 08:11 PM

What do you mean by 'her beautiful muff?',mouldy. Just enquiring!!


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Soldier boy
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 08:29 PM

Raggytash, is the boat trip to Staithes on Tuesday now fully booked or can you still accomodate me and possibly dozy rosy? Please let me know here or PM me.

Thanks.

Chris.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: GUEST,padgett on lap top
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 01:42 AM

Maggie's rendition of My Beautiful Muff is legendary

It can be found in Steve Gardham's East Riding Songster, however to bring it life as Maggie does is a true art

Ray Padgett

Hope to see you Thursday Maggie, get the hot water bottles and paracetamol going flower


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Wyrd Sister
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 05:02 AM

Perhaps, Maggie, you should wrap yourself up in a Galway shawl?


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 05:07 AM

Well we should have been there by now but best laid plans and all that. Hope Muppett and Becki's handfasting went well and we hope to be there later today.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 09:00 PM

A huge thank you to everyone who contirbuted to the fantastic sum of £386 raised for the Runswick Baay Rescue Boat, that brings the folkies total to over £1500 for the year to date, especial thanks go to Stu and Commander Crabbe for their efforts to date, no doubt I will try and and encourage them further !

THANK YOU !!.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 08:25 AM

What a fantastic week. Thanks to all the organisers!


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Mo the caller
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 09:50 AM

Great festival. We enjoyed some good sessions and concerts as well as the dancing that drew us to Whitby 25 years ago and keeps us coming back.
The dance bands were in sparkling good form, a pleasure to listen to. Some of my favourites callers were there but there seemed to be less variety than usual. Actually the dancing wasn't the high spot this year. It was too hot upstairs in the Spa and the floor too hard downstairs (or maybe we are just getting too old).
We'll be back for more next year, and maybe enjoy some of the things we didn't have time for this year.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: GUEST,bright young folk
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 06:41 PM

had a great time as usual this year! the only shame was the lack of children at each of the childrens workshops. we didnt have that many over in children in performance this year- but then again i have to point out the ones we did have were FAB and did an amazing job performing The Changeling on thursday if anyone saw it (and causing mayhem at the back of the final parade on the friday too!).

there didnt seem to be as many dance sides either this year...or maybe that was just me who thought that?

But thank you to the organisers for doing such a good job and I will see you all next year :)


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Tig
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 08:11 PM

On behalf of the stewards on the Rugby Club may I say a big 'THANK YOU' to all of you on our site. Other than a few hiccups which we tried to put right as soon as possible (sorry to the gents who had cold showers) it was your help in keep the place tidy which made our jobs a lot easier.

We will be running the same system of 'enclaves' with each team having it's own area next year as you seemed to like it. It certainly made it easier to direct people as they arrived. Quick plea - get your bagman to send the correct info as to numbers/what you are staying in as soon as possible so you get the right amount of space.

We will also be enforcing the NO DOGS rule along with the no wheels on the playing area. This is not our choice but Scarborough Council's so we can do nothing about it.

Thanks also go to Peter (club steward) for putting up with us and the amazing butties for breakfast - not to be missed!

I had a good festival and hope you all did too.

Thanks again
Tig


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: vectis
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 09:24 PM

Over £1,700 was raised by the maritime sessions in the Endeavour for the Whitby Lifeboat. An all time record.

So much to do, so much to see, so many people to hug and kiss. I had a fab time thanks to too many people to mention.
Roll on next year...


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 04:28 AM

It was our first time as performers at Whitby and we loved every minute of it. Full venues attentive audiences and good fair stewarding. In fact great people everywhere friendly informed and enthusiastic. Thanks to everyone involved.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Valmai Goodyear
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 07:09 AM

Huge thanks to all the organisers, stewards and camp-site teams from Spare Parts. It was our first Whitby and we had a terrific time. I was particularly charmed by how friendly, thougtful and reasonable everyone was throughout the week.

The ballad sessions were splendid. I managed six hours of sex and death; it would have been more but for the stern demands of band practice.

(If anyone's got any feedback on our concertina sessions, please PM me or Bryan (The Snail) Creer.)

Tootle pip,

Valmai


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Michael
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 08:40 AM

"I managed six hours of sex and death;"
Wow!! what a way to go!

Cheers
Mike


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: ossonflags
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 01:39 PM

Mick McGarrys evening singarounds in't Endeavour were'nt bad neither


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 01:55 PM

Glad to lend you my children, bright young folk - one old man and a fairy enough to cause any mayhem :)


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 02:14 PM

I know the pair Mrs Duck- an R and an M? They were a joy as ever and I hope to see them again next year! And yes they did play a part in the mayhem at the parade-which we thought was hilarious and all in good fun-but the dance team in front of us...dont think they enjoyed it quite so much haha!

I actually have one or two photos (including a good picture of your son in costume) from the parade this year and one from Asipatle (sp?) and the Stoor Worm from 2007 that have your children on them (though the latter aren't the best pictures as my mum took those! haha) and would be willing to send you them via email if you would like?


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: GUEST,bright young folk
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 02:26 PM

apologies mudcat for leaving the poster name box empty- I wrote the above comment!


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: GUEST,padgett on lap top
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 03:11 PM

Unsung heroes Mick McGarry, Mick Haywood, Joe and Mo

Ray


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 05:07 PM

byf now you have me intrigued. I missed the parade but my husband was there aand wasn't aware of anything happening.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: GUEST,bright young folk
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 06:37 PM

basically we were being our normal exuberant selves and singing loudly and skipping down the road, basically making sure the kids were enjoying themselves (but I had to add we werent being over the top-even Bob Pegg was joining in) and while most of the dance team in front thought it was funny (especially when the fairies starting pretending to stratch at their backs singing 'Dont look back we're right behind you', like they did to the Magaret character in the show), one of them turned round and told them to shut up and behave or words to that effect (I don't think most of the children heard thankfully-they carried on regardless-the only reason I knew was because Holly told me they had said it to her. Thankfully in true CiP spirit she told me it just made her sing even louder to wind him up haha)

most of the parade said they enjoyed us being there though, even giving us a performing spot at the bandstand this year which was nice, and the kids all enjoyed it which is the main thing and it hasnt put us off-we will be there again next year without fail :D


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: ossonflags
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 04:44 AM

Thanks Ray.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Wyrd Sister
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 06:11 AM

Glad to hear the tradition of the back of the parade continues ;-)


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: GUEST,Steve
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 09:37 AM

Did anyone else see the Wilsons at the football club on Sunday night, in the traditional night out concert? Their singing was fantastic and the banter in between songs was one of the funniest things I've seen or heard for years. What a Tonic they are.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 11:11 AM

Sounds like they were having fun. Good for them!


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Surreysinger
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 11:19 AM

I was right at the back in the bar area ... so the chatting at the bar drowned a bit of the chat... but they were on stunningly good form, and seemed to be having a whale of a time, which transmitted well, even if the younger clan at the back were drowning out some of the chat. Looking forward to their visit down south later in the year !! :-)


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: GUEST,bright young folk
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 02:53 PM

haha Wyrd Sister! I think there is a reason they normally shove us somewhere in the middle-that way they can keep an eye on us! There was only one year they told us to tack on the back about 5yrs ago-and that was because we turned up uninvited and just hijacked the parade! One of the dance sides let us in the middle and we have always been invited back every year since-in fact one year they put us near the front and (perhaps stupidly) asked us to carry the children's garland...they have never repeated that request though...might have had something to do with the fact we broke it half way round and one of the stewards had to quickly run to the shop and return with a mop handle to shove in the middle before it fell apart! Actually its a wonder we haven't been permanently banned from the parade yet haha!


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 03:00 PM

If you think the Wilsons were good on Sunday night you should have heard them at 4 o'clock on Tuesday morning in the Resolution belting out Union Miners -I was in a Wilson sandwich and the eardrums have only just stopped bleeding!


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: r.padgett
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 03:24 PM

The Wilsons patter goes from strength to strength

I think Tom is nearly on a par with Billy Connolly (honest)

A beer fuelled full Wilsonians' Choir can wreck eardrums!

I left just before Union Miners

I have just seen folk America on tv and have just realised that Tom Paley was in the company of late night Celtic revellers in the Resolution ~ well I never

Ray


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Surreysinger
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 03:25 PM

I was there ... but it wasn't four )I'd gone back to the flat by then) - more like three ish!!! And I was stood standing with Jerry O'Reilly and belting along with the best of them!!! Spine tingling stuff.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Soldier boy
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 10:16 PM

What a good do it was. My favourite festival by far!


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Skribla
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 02:50 PM

Enjoyed our 3 days at Whitby immensely. From postings we obviously missed many good bits. That's the trouble with festivals - you can't be everywhere at once. Many thanks to hosts Mo & Joe, Mick McGarry & Ray Padgett. Not to mention this year's directors. (Sorry, promised I wouldn't mention them!)


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: GUEST,cujimmy
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 03:17 AM

This was about the 9th or 10th time Ive been to Whitby and this year was the most enjoyable,don't understand some people who seam to complain all the time, I met many old friends made many more new friends, listened to lots of wonderfull singing, exchanged songs - all in one of the nicest towns in England, and the regatta entertainment was an added bonus. Special regards to people I met in the First in Last out pub, hope to see you all next year.


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Subject: RE: whitby folk festival 2009
From: Les from Hull
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 12:13 PM

Thanks to those of you who supported Maggie's Two Pound Lucky Dip, by donating gifts and by dipping. This was in aid of Maggie's forthcoming trip to Bosnia to provide therapy for war victims, as organised by the Healing Hands Network. We have raised 298 of our lovely British Pounds. Thanks to you all. (We'll be having another go at Hull Shanty Festival this weekend.)


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