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Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009

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Subject: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- July 2009
From: Acme
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:04 PM

Breaking news.

Wow. Bad day for Hollywood.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-_n_221104.html

SRS


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- July 2009
From: Emma B
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:10 PM

Just heard this on UK news


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- July 2009
From: Acme
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:11 PM

From Huffington Post: Michael Jackson Dies

Posted Jun 25th 2009 5:20PM by TMZ Staff

Michael JacksonWe've just learned Michael Jackson has died. He was 50.

Michael suffered a cardiac arrest earlier this afternoon at his Holmby Hills home and paramedics were unable to revive him. We're told when paramedics arrived Jackson had no pulse and they never got a pulse back.

A source tells us Jackson was dead when paramedics arrived.

Once at the hospital, the staff tried to resuscitate him but he was completely unresponsive.

We're told one of the staff members at Jackson's home called 911.

La Toya ran in the hospital sobbing after Jackson was pronounced dead.

Michael is survived by three children: Michael Joseph Jackson, Jr., Paris Michael Katherine Jackson and Prince "Blanket" Michael Jackson II.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Sorcha
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:12 PM

I was never a fan, and I can't say I'll miss him much. He was SERIOUSLY weird, if not an actual molester.

Farrah is a greater loss.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Acme
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:12 PM

I liked his music. His personal life was a mess.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:14 PM

He was at his peak when he did the Thriller album and videos, but he did seem to be a very troubled person. May he finally rest in peace.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:20 PM

Talented and troubled, may he rest in peace
Lucy x


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:23 PM

Still not confirmed as yet.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Beer
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:24 PM

Strange Mudcat members are reporting his death knows before CNN. CNN is live on scene and reporting that he has been hospitalized. They are not announcing his death.
Beer (adrien)


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:28 PM

NPR and Los Angeles Times are saying he's in a coma.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: artbrooks
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:28 PM

CNN, ABCnews.com and AP are all saying variations on "rushed to LA hospital with cardiac arrest". TV (NBC?) is sayings he's dead.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:29 PM

Death not confirmed as yet.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Peace
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:30 PM

L.A. Times Reports Jackson Is Dead | 6:24 p.m. The newspaper cited "city and law enforcement sources." CBS News is also broadcasting a special report saying Mr. Jackson has died.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Acme
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:30 PM

I just heard the coma report. Huffington reported he wasn't breathing when paramedics arrived, and was pronounced dead. They didn't say who pronounced it. If he is alive, he has a huge comeback awaiting. They just discussed a 50 concert tour on NPR's All Things Considered.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Peace
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:31 PM

If he's alive, that IS the comeback.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:34 PM

There are some really nasty people over there posting on TMZ.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Emma B
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:37 PM

Unfortunately there are really nasty people everywhere - a sad life in many ways and soon ended - he will be mourned by many real fans


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:40 PM

Michael Jackson Is Dead, A.P. Reports

Michael Jackson, the pop star, has died, The Associated Press
reported, citing a person with knowledge of the situation.
Earlier, Mr. Jackson, unconscious, had been rushed to a Los
Angeles hospital.


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Subject: Obit: (unconfirmed) Michael Jackson
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:41 PM

News reports of Jacko's rush to a hospital in LA and possible death as a result of a cardiac arrest.

BBC News

LTS


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Subject: RE: Obit: (unconfirmed) Michael Jackson
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:42 PM

New York Times breaking news:
Michael Jackson Is Dead, A.P. Reports

Michael Jackson, the pop star, has died, The Associated Press
reported, citing a person with knowledge of the situation.
Earlier, Mr. Jackson, unconscious, had been rushed to a Los
Angeles hospital.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:47 PM

Me, him and Donny Osmond, all the same age.
As white as I am, I really like his music!

R.I.P.

R.W.R.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:48 PM

At 3:15 PM, the Los Angeles Times announced the death of Michael Jackson. May he rest in peace.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,NYC
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:52 PM

A lot of young boys with large ears will sleep easy tonight.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: wysiwyg
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:55 PM

It is very weird, thinking of these two pop icons in one day (Farrah, Jackson)-- imagine the lobby in heaven with them strolling in together! Beyond surreal.

I look for a better life for Jackson's kids. When I learned about his crazy upbringing, it was easy to see how such an individual could get so out of control in so many bizarre ways. (Not to excuse it, but to say it makes for a lot less surprises?) I truly hope he is at peace. If he is it's probably the first time since he was born.

For his kids I hope complete anonymity-- not the same fate imposed on other offspring of the ridiculously famous.

~S~


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:55 PM

Shame for the ones that loved him.
Even he couldn't do that for pre comeback tour publicity.
Or .........


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:56 PM

RIP Michael.....A brilliant performer. x


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Amergin
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 06:59 PM

One less paedophile preying on children.....


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 07:02 PM

Oh Dear!


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Soldier boy
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 07:04 PM

Yep - he's a gonner. He's dead!
Just seen a newsflash on BBC News and Sky television.
He had a cardiac arrest and was unresponsive when paramedics got to him.

There will be a huge global outpouring of grief,mourning and loss for this hugely successfull icon of music but he was also a trajic and somewhat weird character in life.

His influence on music across every spectrum of music is massive.

I just wonder if the mass mourning and media coverage will be equal to and on the same scale as that of JF Kennedy or Marilyn Monroe or more recently, Princess Diana,here in the UK.

It would'nt suprise me if it is. This will be headline news across the planet for quite some time to come.

The shame of it is that the little super star in life had massive debts but in death his music and his legacy will be worth many many times the fortune he amassed and then lost when he was alive.
So some parasitic vultures will be rubbing their hands in glee.

Such a shame.


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Subject: Obit: Michael Jackson
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 07:07 PM

It would seem from the news on BBC TV some 20 minutes ago Michael Jackson has died of cardiac arrest. Sad passing for a very troubled performer. Not my personal favourite, but my son was inspired to dance by him. I actually enjoyed quite a bit of his mid eighties music, and I was deep in young love when "I want you back" was charting and the Jackson Five were making it big over here.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Acme
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 07:11 PM

Alleged, Amergin. Alleged. There were some wacko people trying to live on the fringe of his strange household who seemed to think that pushing into the court system would still gain them some cash. Did anyone ever charge that strange family with a crime? Extortion?

NYC, go find the TMZ site and unload over there. Guests, use a moniker or your posts can be deleted.

Jackson was very talented. Hopefully that will be his legacy. I agree with Susan, his upbringing was downright strange. I hope his children are raised in anonymous normalcy.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,NYC
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 07:13 PM

Yes we will see hords of people hugging eachother and crying tomorrow, the next day and until the funeral. People who never knew him will latch onto the public mourning thing. It cannot be ignored that he had a strange interest in young boys and the money to buy his way out of it. That is what I will remember him for.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Azizi
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 07:16 PM

"RIP Michael. Your family's music was part of the soundtrack of so many of our childhoods.

Fame was a rough journey for you. May you now finally have peace. Your music will live on."
by earicicle on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 03:41:33 PM PDT

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/6/25/746887/-Michael-Jackson-passed-away-

**
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5O61yKkdr4

Michael Jackson - (Pepsi?)commercial - I'll Be There


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: SINSULL
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 07:35 PM

I turned on the TV and saw a hospital scene with the announce saying that crowds are gathering, the police are setting up barracades, everyone knows this is a very serious situation. I thought oh my god the president's been shot. Took a while but eventually I learned that Michael Jackson had a heart attack and died.
I wish no evil on anyone. When my son was a child he idolized Jackson. We saw him in concert and he was amazing. RIP.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: SINSULL
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 07:36 PM

But it was really mean-spirited to upstage Farrah.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Acme
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 07:36 PM

The coroner has made the official announcement that Jackson did indeed die.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: olddude
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 07:47 PM

So very sad day ... just terrible


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 07:51 PM

Very talented... very messed up. Sad story.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 07:52 PM

I always enjoyed the Jackson Five and he was so cute and so talented at such a young age. I enjoyed his dancing and so did my daughters, but then he did get so weird. I think he was as much a victim of his talents, upbringing, etc. as anyone else may have been a victim of his interests. His life seems to have been such a sad dichotomy. Only six years younger than I...I hope he has found some peace. I think he was quite tortured.

kat


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 08:09 PM

This is terribly sad news and I wish it wasn't true. He was an extraordinary person and I am so pleased that he lived in my lifetime.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Janie
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 08:09 PM

A giant talent.

Rest in Peace.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 08:29 PM

Too young to die in this age of longer life expectancy. Not a huge fan myself, but my kids certainly were.
Cardiac arrest is what happens when everyone dies (i.e the heart stops beating): it does not equate with a "heart attack" or coronary artery occlusion. No doubt there will be a full investigation into actual cause of his cardia arresting.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,6 months younger than MJ
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 08:45 PM

Tragic to consider how many of his most obsessive fans
will now rush to take their own lives
as an immediate result of this sudden dramatic unexpected breaking news...


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,Steve from out here somewhere
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 08:56 PM

MJ's career is the exact reason I am a renegade "folk singer". It's not that he wasn't talented... he was. It's not that he didn't deserve his success... he did. It's simply the fact that the pop-music machinery left all the side-effects on him that it did, not to mention the fact that he was abused and emotionally troubled as a child.

Whatever else he was, he was God's creation... rest in peace, Michael.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Maryrrf
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 09:13 PM

I'm in shock - first Farrah and now Michael.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 09:26 PM

If you can't say something good about someone it is best to say nothing.
    "Nothing"


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: maple_leaf_boy
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 09:41 PM

Sympathetic thoughts to his family from me.
Not a big fan, but I have Thriller on vinyl. It was a hand me down.
But, my respects to him in his passing on to the other world.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,6 months younger than MJ
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 09:42 PM

aw.. no !!!
I just found out we lost Sky Saxon today.
Some of Jacko's 45's were pretty good;
but I've dearly loved The Seeds music for over 30 years.
what a crap day for music.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Greg B
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 09:59 PM

Good riddance to an unrepentant child-molesting pedophile who used
his fortune and fame to victimize children and get away with it.
The world is a safer place for young boys today.

May he enjoy the full measure of the well deserved millstone
'round his neck (Luke 17:2) as it drags him to the depths!


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 10:49 PM

I never liked MJ's music, but I considered him to be an interesting character back in the '80s. At that time, he seemed to be harmlessly eccentric. But, at some point, his eccentricity turned pathological and he stopped being interesting, just sad.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,Steve from a few comments ago
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 10:53 PM

Hey Greg B,

"May he enjoy the full measure of the well deserved millstone
'round his neck (Luke 17:2) as it drags him to the depths!"

I hope Matthew 7:2 is a lot less literal than you made Luke 17:2 out to be... otherwise, there's a millstone waiting for you, too, buddy.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 10:55 PM

He did some great music and stage work in his prime, but he seems to have had a very sad life mostly from the time he was a small boy, and he's been looking terrible in recent years. Perhaps he is well out of it, and I don't mean anything negative toward the man when I say that. What I mean is, he may have found some peace now. I wish him well.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: bankley
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 10:55 PM

RIP 'BAD'


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Amergin
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 11:33 PM

The one thing he was good for was to provide some good material for Weird Al....and other comedians....


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,DonMeixner
Date: 25 Jun 09 - 11:37 PM

I was really afraid this was the guy who wrote the book on home Brewing beer.

I hope the family plans to leave his body to silence.

Don


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 02:51 AM

Beeb R 4 just played a montage of his 80's to present stuff with one detour to do Ben. All sounded the same with exception of Ben.

He/she/it was the same age as me. Enjoyed the early early stuff when I was a kid. Lost interest when the new MJ hit the eighties, but then I hated most pop music then.

Was initially shocked by his changed physical appearance. Later bored by all the media commentary.

Wonder what his fans will do without focus now? Become more frenzied or forget? Will Neverland become the Graceland of the West Coast?

Ho hum.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Jack Campin
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 03:19 AM

I was really afraid this was the guy who wrote the book on home Brewing beer.

I never had much use for his book on structured programming.

No doubt there will be a full investigation into actual cause of his cardia arresting.

A celebrity dying at 50 of heart trouble suggests long-term cocaine abuse.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: alison
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 03:31 AM

definately a stange man - but he gave us some great music.

Still remember, as a teenager, staying up late to see the first screening of the Thriller video.

can't help feeling sorry for Farrah though

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 03:43 AM

His life will probably go down as the ultimate argument against unnecessary surgery.

he was so beautiful as a little boy. I can remember walking up a school corridor behind two little eleven year olds (one black, one white) talking bout his appearance on TOTP singing Ben....

did you see his hair....?
Yes wow! wasn't it fantastic!

It can't have done him any good all that cutting up of his face.

He died more or less the same age as Jolson - another one who had a high energy act too long. Its a kids game.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,Missesthepointutterly
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 03:50 AM

Sir Michael Jackson dead! I can't believe it. A bad day for the british army.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 04:58 AM

An easy target for ridicule, some of it doubtlessly deserved.

No arguing about his popularity though - he brought pleasure to millions for decades - and that's more than any of us can say.

A troubled soul now at rest.

RIP


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: bankley
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 05:11 AM

I like the Miles Davis version of 'Human Nature'


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 05:23 AM

A brilliant and extremely talented performer. Sadly, probably due to pain in his own childhood, he lost the plot in later life.
A sad loss to music but the overrididing sentiment of this thread is correct - he is at peace at last.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Bainbo
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 05:43 AM

Among the welter of media commentary, I think the most sensible I heard* was from the presenter Paul Gambaccini, who drew parallels with the death of Judy Garland, just 40 years ago.

At the time, all the talk was of her wayward lifestyle and drug abuse. Now, with the distance of time, all of that is little more than a footnote, and what we remember is her artistry - the marvellous music and films. It will surely be the same with Michael Jackson.





*There are plenty of candidates for the least sensible thing I heard. But I think the best was from the ever-fatuous BBC Radio Five Live, during the period of uncertainty before the bad news was confirmed, when one contributor was asked: "Can you remember where you were when you first heard this still-to-be-confirmed news?"


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Arnie
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 05:57 AM

What's going to happen to the 75,000 tickets sold for his July concerts in the O2 London? The organisers are going to have a massive hole in their finances paying all those refunds. I suppose that some fans will hang onto their tickets as momentoes, or maybe sell them on EBay. One thing is for sure, the ticket touts will be sitting on a load of vastly overpriced tickets that they won't now be able to shift. Never a fan myself, but I always recognised him as a true showman with an amazing act.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 06:05 AM

Seconded bankley.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: goatfell
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 06:09 AM

sad that he's dead but as somone said   One less paedophile preying on children, the children can sleep a we bit safer now in bed. I mean what grown man sleeps with chlidren in his bed which aren't his.
but sad all the same


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,6 months younger than MJ
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 06:11 AM

hmmm.. speculative hints of long term cocaine abuse leading to severe heart problems;

hmmm... fragile state of nasal bone structure popularly attributed to excessive cosmetic surgery..

hmmmmmm....???


oh well.. seriously, how many of us, if we ever considered the prospect,
genuinely expected MJ to survive to a ripe old age ?

For all of us who were born in 1958, its definitely a moment for contemplation and reflection.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 06:15 AM

I will remember him for a genius best manifest in monolithic masterpieces like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cupnsUDyjuA

Cha'mone motherf*cker!

Respect.

RIP.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,Mrr elsewhere
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 06:26 AM

Man, this is huge. I'm sorry now I didn't really believe he was sick.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Mooh
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 06:32 AM

Lots of folks wished him dead. They got their wish.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 06:49 AM

Sadly the footnote to his life may be bigger than his music in some folks' eyes.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Midchuck
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 07:03 AM

Sandy McLean said it all.

P.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 07:15 AM

I loved the very first bouncy, upbeat hits with the Jackson 5--ABC; Stop, the Love You Save: I Want You Back. Even fun to sing. Will never forget (10 year old?)   Michael squeaking: "Come on, girl, show me what you can do.". Good tight pop music--even with a sense of humor.

Everything else he did from then on was downhill--Thriller didn't, etc. And his personal life went from bad to worse.   If anybody needed proof that money isn't everything, he was Exhibit A.   

It annoyed me that at one point he owned a large portion of the Beatles' catalogue--it seemed he really didn't deserve it--wasn't in the same league in talent.

Then came the really precipitous slide--even financially.

It's amazing somebody with absolutely everything could so totally and senselessly throw it away.

Child molester?-- well, whatever he was doing, it sure didn't look good.   Who knows, maybe it wasn't--just more incredibly stupid behavior.

I figured I could do my bit to express disapproval by just not buying his stuff.

Tortured soul?   For sure. Hope he didn't wreck anybody else's life.

I agree Farrah Fawcett deserved a lot more sympathy than he did.   After all, she did nothing to cause her own death. Did Michael?   Unclear. We'll probably hear a lot of speculation on that.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 07:23 AM

It's a dark road to go down to throw out the art with the dark speculations about an artist's life. Though, the temptation is great to judge, based on the products of the great American media circus.

However:

His (and all the Jackson!) music was and is great fun, and we're going to have a dance party to remember it all Sunday evening. Join us if you are in NC!

My best memory is from the 80's when his brothers joined him onstage in Philadelphia during what I think was the Thriller tour, for a few old-school Jackson 5 tunes. Rocked the house.

Dani


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 07:23 AM

As far as "De mortuis..."--sorry, Michael was a controversial figure--through his own actions.   Anybody who doesn't like the comments is always free withhold their own--including the admonition above--or not even read the thread. Or you could always ask Joe to ban Obit threads--he's already not very enthusiastic about them.

I always think it's interesting to hear the range of opinion.
    Hey, it's not that I don't like obituary threads. The informative ones, especially those about folk music figures, are wonderful. It's just that I lost my left testicle over Jade Goody, and I have but one more to lose....
    -Joe-


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 08:01 AM

"I always think it's interesting to hear the range of opinion"

Me too Ron. Mine is that he was a tortured genius, a product of his abused and misdirected childhood, who surrounded himself with hugely talented musicians and writers to produce several of the greatest pop records ever, and who, by the sometimes corrosive nature of stardom, lost touch with reality and his responsibilities to 'his' public.

It's a sad end, much like those of Judy, Marilyn and Elvis.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Stu
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 08:26 AM

He's not dead, I've just seen him stacking shelves in the tinned fish section of Tesco's in Macclesfield.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Gedi
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 08:41 AM

I too was not a great fan, but whenever I saw him interviewed on TV he always struck me as being a very gentle soul. Tortured and haunted by his past, I don't believe he ever found true happiness despite his wealth.

As for the allegations I don't really believe them - there are a lot of people out there looking to make a fast buck no matter who they drag through the dirt.

I only hope that he now finds the peace he was denied while on this planet.

RIP Michael.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 08:49 AM

50 years old. What a shame. I was in the doctor's waiting room last week reading an article on Lulu in SAGA magazine. To think we'll never see Michael Jackson on the front cover.

Seriously, though, it's very sad to contrast the 10-year old in the Jackson 5 with the rather pathetic figure he became, at least in the public arena. I wouldn't say it could only happen in America, but it certainly couldn't have happened anywhere else first.

As far as his personal life is concerned, we will probably never know the truth. There are probably too many people with a vested interest in their version of events. What seems likely, though, is that if any of the allegations were true a lot of people would have colluded in making it possible for these things to happen. I can't see any of them coming clean anytime soon.

One thing's for certain - my 9-year old will be gutted. And telling her that lots of people think he was a bad person won't make her feel any better.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: skarpi
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 08:59 AM

so he died .

so do many thousands of children every year , and still people
dont gather to their funaral or places where they die .

I dont think that he get a special floor in gods heaven just becouse he´s mr . Jackson .

sorry its just me , and I hope sometime soon I can do something
for those children out there , witch I feel so sorry for.

I know ABC , I will talk to them .

all the best Skarpi Iceland .
P.s

if you dont like what I wrote here , then tell me about it .


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Charley Noble
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 09:08 AM

There's a major problem when someone becomes such a celebrity. Not everyone can handle the attention and the inevitable distortion.

Whatever impact Jackson had on pop music made little impression on me but I certainly couldn't avoid hearing or reading about his "life story."

May he find some peace.

Charley Noble, who evidently feels a need to comment as well


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: glueman
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 09:10 AM

A gentle, misguided soul who became everyone's cash-cow for far too long. We were born two days apart but I never got to perform one of the best 4-square foot stompers ever made...

I Want You Back


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: ard mhacha
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 09:29 AM

Have to agree with you Skarpi, a weirdo child molester should have been put away years ago, the noise abatement society will not shed any tears, nor will I.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 10:23 AM

Shame for anyone who dies young. And their family more so. I was another who could not see the attraction but he obviously meant a lot to a lot of people. What is realy getting on my nerves is the talk that he was a victim. Many people suffered far worse than he did and have lived lives helping other people without seeking the attention he did. Talent? Yes. Even though I could not see it. Showman? Absolutely top notch but without realising that when you put your life on show you must expect people to take an interest. Even if it is not the sort you wanted. Child molester? I dunno. Never proven and I will give anyone the benefit of the doubt, but sharing a bed with children, no matter how innocently done, is far from normal behaviour.

All that said, I do hope his family, particulary his children, are shielded from the more obnoxious of our media. May he, and they, be in peace.

DeG


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 10:45 AM

SKARPI: Yes many innocents die every day, but to mourn the passing of one individual shows our humanity and doesn't make the innoccents deaths any less important.

DeG: Yes many victims of abuse recover and lead meningful lives. One the other hand many VICTIMS do not and their life and those near them are blighted forever.

He was indeed "weird" towards the end, but mental instability manifests in many ways. He loved his children and they must be suffering dreadfully without seeing the dirt dug up again.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 11:11 AM

Bloody hell.

Anyone'd think he was a priest.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 11:12 AM


It's amazing somebody with absolutely everything could so totally and senselessly throw it away.


He certainly wasn't the only one to do so, as per earlier references to Elvis and others. Maybe it is they get burnt up too fast by the genius within. It would be a lot to handle for anyone in such short time spans.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Acme
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 11:16 AM

Celebrity trials are such a circus. A Lab tech who testified in the O.J. Simpson trial was seen gushing and shaking O.J.'s hand after he left the witness stand. There were problems with the evidence, and after seeing that exchange, one wonders at the attention the lab paid to processing it correctly. As presented, it looks pretty clear O.J. did it and escaped that justice on a technicality. The following civil trial found him clearly guilty of the crime. Since then he has done nothing to redeem himself in the public eye.

The trial against Michael Jackson appears to have been an extortion scheme gone wrong, orchestrated by a mentally ill mother and her passive puppet child. Once it was picked up by the courts, they were working with hear-say and bad actors as if they were true evidence (The boy was old enough to understand the questions and be clear in his answers, but was never called to testify. Jackson's folks would have had to show that he was coerced, which might have been difficult to prove.) A civil trial never followed the criminal one because they clearly had no good case to pursue. He was making an effort to move past all of that and pick up his career. Too bad it was cut short. One hopes he found pleasure in his family, in raising his children, and that they can avoid the intense scrutiny that will be directed their way.

Michael Jackson's fans will push aside those of you who are doing your best to turn his death into one last indictment against him.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 11:26 AM

Thanks, SRS.

Everybody should be aware that false accusations of child abuse are common. Whenever a person is accused of child abuse, our attitude should be "Let's wait and see what the facts show."

We should be especially cautious when greed or jealousy might be behind the accusation.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 12:12 PM

I dont think Jackson was a paedophile,I agree his behaviour was very unusual,has it never occurred to anyone,that he was trying to have some sort of child hood that he was never able to have,anyway innocent until proven guilty.
[imo]his music was crubbish


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Subject: Abrazos: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: wysiwyg
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 12:15 PM

The Hug of the Week Award at OUR house goes to BARACK OBAMA-- the only Black Man I know of who could trump the incessant media drooling over the Jackson made-for-TV spectacle. Obama's on the teevee now-- making such SENSE, and about Iran of all things, that it stands as a living tribute and yardstick to Civil Rights. "Pick your cultural icon," he is NOT saying, but I am hearing. "Which one do you really want?"


Abrazos,

~Susan


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 12:48 PM

Did he ever think back to this song, I wonder?


I Gotta Be Me on Youtube


Whether I'm right or whether I'm wrong
Whether I find a place in this world or never belong
I gotta be me, I've gotta be me
What else can I be but what I am

I want to live, not merely survive
And I won't give up this dream
Of life that keeps me alive
I gotta be me, I gotta be me
The dream that I see makes me what I am

That far-away prize, a world of success
Is waiting for me if I heed the call
I won't settle down, won't settle for less
As long as there's a chance that I can have it all

I'll go it alone, that's how it must be
I can't be right for somebody else
If I'm not right for me
I gotta be free, I've gotta be free
Daring to try, to do it or die
I've gotta be me

I'll go it alone, that's how it must be
I can't be right for somebody else
If I'm not right for me
I gotta be free, I just gotta be free
Daring to try, to do it or die
I gotta be me


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Burke
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 12:52 PM

RIP.

His recent years have been so strange. Maybe now he'll become like Elvis, people will come to remember the early good part and forget or ignore the later.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: SINSULL
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 01:43 PM

There was a TV Special/documentary about Jackson while the paedophile charges were in the news. They followed him around (with his permission) as he "lived his life". One event stuck with me.

He went shopping in the tackiest crap store imaginable. The place was full of life size nudes and statues and gilded crap all imported from Italy. Michael went from piece to piece and asked the owner (sleeze personified) what it was called and how much it cost(owner always came back with a Greek name for the hideobilia). Then Jackson would say "I want two of those and one of these and do you have any more of those?" It was all pure crap.
Later in an interview the owner admitted his business had skyrocketed since Jackson stumbled in one day. The greedy little slimeball acted like a servant around Jackson and pushed all manner of junk his way. Jackson (and you could see he was trying to impress the camera with superb taste in art) bought it all. All that money and not a clue what had value. No taste whatsoever. It was very sad. Sadder too that there must have been a long line of creepy people ready to relieve him of his money.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 02:03 PM

I was no great fan of Michael Jackson"
but he was a great Showman and a great singer/songwriter. and will be sadly missed by his Fans and a great loss to the music world in general.
Shame his Heart attack was induced by his addiction to a drug.

May he rest in peace.
God bless him
Pierre


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 02:05 PM

Oh well. And so it goes. Threads like this on Mudsling often say more about ourselves - the posters - than the topic; such is the way of the world.

Meanwhile, on the subject of death: has anyone heard whether Neda's family have been allowed to see her body?


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Spot
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 02:49 PM

Allo everybody...

                Michael Jackson RIP.

He was everything I never wanted to be and so damned good at it!!

He was such a dancer. I canna dance for toffee.

I didn't particularly like what he did but he was an absolute master at it.

I can fully understand the high emotions of the fans. I openly shed tears at the passing of Derek Moffat of The McCalmans.... he was as big in my world as MJ was in his fans worlds.

I am upset that this has happpened. I'm sorry for his fans.

I'm also sorry his "private" life was a mess.It shouldn't have been.

                               Ok....Spot


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 02:53 PM

100 ?


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: michaelr
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 03:16 PM

The world is a less weird place.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 04:38 PM

Ok...I am now officially tired of NOTHING on major news channels but MJ. What ever happened to Iran & health care?

....and why does this stay above the line when Farrah was relegated down below immediately? He was NOT a musician in the genré that Mudcat is basically concerned with.

He was FAMOUS...he was not some ------- whatever.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 05:08 PM

Er ..."Its a Obit" Michael Jackson thread Bill D." 2

Just because he didnt play Banjo ,or Mandol does not banish him to the discussion threads. He was a supurb performer? Dancer and Musician, Poor Farrah was not. Theres plently of musicians in health care mainly fiddlers.

Iran can go to the open Disscussion forum. (Stay there)


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 05:28 PM

Pierre...I was one of the earliest posters on Mudcat, from back when it was clear that we were not about pop/rock music OR the health of their icons, no matter how famous. I reserve my right to make my opinion known.

I feel the same about famous opera singers or 'rap' artists.

(I never intended Iran to be anywhere else....I will 'stay there' when discussing Iran. I have posted about 'folk' related music here for 13 years. I will continue to do that, also)

I will trouble this thread no further


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Acme
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 05:57 PM

Bill D, those days are long gone, don't you think?


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 06:19 PM

Since you started the thread, I will answer you here...then stop.

Yes, those days are pretty well gone, since Max has decided not to try to limit things. With 2 hours of searching, I could find the couple of posts from years ago where I predicted that this tiny island of folk/blues in a sea of 'other stuff' would gradually be overwhelmed if there were no concerted effort otherwise. I have made suggestions about how to deal with it, but obviously, I saw no sense in ME trying by myself, like King Canute, to "sweep back the waves". I try to find the relevant threads, but it does get harder.

I can even see...sort of... a justification for beginning the thread above the line...but wasn't Farrah's?...and dozens of others which were moved soon after they were started?

Lord help us if anything happens to Ringo Starr.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: goatfell
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 06:26 PM

so sad that he's gone


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 06:35 PM

I first saw him on the Andy Williams show, when Andy introduced the new baby in the band of brothers that were the Jacksons...On came this little lad, his Afro hairstyle framing his cheeky little face just perfectly...and then....out came the voice!   

The rhythm flowed through that child, raised on music from the moment he was born, surrounded by it, but....more than that...born with it, born with it inside him, likewise with the Dance. An ability to make the song and dance pure, because it was as much a part of him as breathing...

Andy's face shone that night...I can still recall his smile, because he knew what was coming.

Well, the little lad never went away, did he?

He lived his life in the way of those words above (posted by 'Guest' who was me, earlier on)

Michael's music became the background to the lives of many generations...His music was loved by people of all ages, it made you move! You couldn't hear one of his songs and not feel it going through your own body!   

Heck, I recall dancing to Billie Jean, letting it all go, at a wedding wayyyyyy back, and loving every single second of the movement in that song, it was its own blood coursing through your veins...

Over the years, he grew paler, his nose grew thinner, his hair grew longer, and you began to realise that this Superstar was so uncomfortable in his own body, probably hated the way he looked. The terrible pain he must have endured, in his efforts to find some 'face' that finally fitted the 'inside' Michael, brought shivers....And all the time, the greedy surgeons lined up to operate on him, to cause the disfigurements that later showed on his face...

And so he hid, behind his masks, under his hat, under his hair, under his make-up, never letting the world see the real Michael, because hell, I doubt even he knew who that was anyway...

The damage an abusive parent does goes so deep.   The damage to a child deprived of a happy childhood goes even deeper.

Was he a child molester? I have absolutely no idea. None of us do, even those who condemn him. It seems hard to understand why a man who loved kids so much would want to hurt them, when he'd known such hurt himself. Sleeping with kids 'innocently' is a weird one, yet...when I think back to when I was 19, and in hospital for a month with an eye problem, I was in the kids ward, and every night I'd gather those little ones on to my bed, read them stories, talk to them, make them laugh, ease their fears, cuddle and hug the ones that needed a hug. Why? Because I love children, absolutely no other reason whatsoever. I've always hugged children, always, it's the most natural thing in the world to me, but hell, that doesn't make me a child molester.

The last time I saw Michael Jackson was in Exeter, a few years back. I'd been listening to Radio 2 that afternoon and Steve Wright had come on, saying that Michael was due to be in Exeter later that day...Yeah, right, Steve! ???????   The 'story' went that he'd flown over at the request of Uri Geller, who'd recently taken over Exeter City Football Club, and Uri had asked Michael to help raise money for the new Football Stadium (now all built and shiny)

Well....you know when you hear something soooooooo crazy that you just think "Hell, let's do this!"....that's what I did...I got the kids and said "Come on, we're off!"....Got to Exeter, followed the crowds to the football stadium, bumped into my neighbour who had some spare tickets. We went in, sat down and waited.....waited for the hoax to start....

Er...Uri Geller was the first on the small stage....Up he sprang, doing his bit...Everyone's looking at one another, and smiling, thinking we're all as daft as each other...and *then* Uri starts to introdue Michael and a hush falls over the crowd....A few moments later, a Chitty Chitty Bang Bang kind of car drives out on to the pitch, going all around the stadium. On the top of the open back seat sits a smallish figure, almost hidden under a black umbrella...

"Cor! It's Mary Poppins!" says the bloke next to me...and we smiled...
The car stops at the stage and out jumps the slight figure, surrounded by burly fellas. He climbs up to where Uri is and starts to talk and yup, it's the Real Michael alright!

So there we sit, in the afternoon Devon sun, listening to Michael Jackson talking about saving the world, being kind to one another, changing the way this ol' world is....Quite *the* most surreal day of my life!   

And now he's moved on, to a place where he'll find peace at long last, where his every move won't be monitored, where he won't have helicoptors flying over his house, photographers at every corner, journalists, publicity agents, greedy bastards taking advantage of a soul that could no longer cope with reality.

I watched Gladys Knight talking about him earlier on, saying how all of those who 'worshipped' Michael had done this to him, she included herself in that, turning him into what he became...But no, for me it started with his nasty father, and went on from there...

I believe that he really was the kind, shy soul that so many of his friends knew and have spoken about...a trusting, innocent person who saw life differently and never really understood this thing called 'life'...

Uri Geller spoke of how he and Michael would argue, when Uri would tell him he was way out of line in some of the things he was doing, laying himself wide open for accusations, but he didn't listen, because he felt it was all innocent, so what was there to worry about?

Watching him going around that tacky store that someone spoke of earlier struck me as incredibly sad, because he was just walking round it saying, "One of those, two of these, one of them" nothing meant anything to him. Nothing does when life itself means so little...

I'm glad he died relatively young, before age tore him apart any further. Before the vultures got their photos of 'Michael Growing Old' and he found more greedy, gruesome surgeons to tear his face and body apart further in his efforts to stay the child he was never allowed to be, the feminine face he so longed for..

No wonder Elizabeth Taylor understood him so well, because she never had her childhood either. Diane Ross cared about him, but he started to look so like her, it must have spooked her...He seemed always desperate to be anyone but himself, that cheeky little lad, with his cute nose, lovely hair and smiley face.

He was a superb performer, an unbelievable dancer, a brilliant songwriter and singer and to be honest, imo, there'll never be another that can touch him.

The world demanded a Superstar, and became that, at the cost to his happiness, his sanity, his life.

So, Michael, for all those years when you made the world happy whilst you lived your years bewildered and locked away, trusting Bubbles more than you trusted most humans, thank you...Thank you for the truly incredible music and dance that you let behind. And hey, there aren't many lads in short trousers, who wear sparkly socks and grab their crotch that could make me watch 'em....but you had me hooked!

Beat It

The Man In The Mirror Documentary - Part 1 - Youtube (all other parts are also there)



At last, he can now finally *be* Michael....


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 06:44 PM

Nice one, Lizzie.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: melodeonboy
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 07:20 PM

"Bad day for Hollywood."

Agreed.

"His influence on music across every spectrum of music is massive."

Oh, yeh. I often add a squeaky voice and a disco beat when I do "All for my grog"!

"Bloody hell. Anyone'd think he was a priest."

Quite.

And has been at least intimated on this thread, Mudcat is going to be very crowded if we now spend so much time and space on pop artists. Ain't there other websites for this sort of thing?!

Even on this morning's Today programme on Radio 4 (which I regard as a serious, mainly political programme) I had to put up with someone spouting, in no uncertain terms, that Michael Jackson was "up there with Mozart and Beethoven".

Spare me!


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 07:28 PM

Thanks Lizzie, that was a wonderful tribute and some warming little stories. Yes the man was but a boy, and therein lay the problem that most of the world couldn't grasp.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,6 months younger than MJ
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 07:29 PM

brilliant multi-talented showbiz performer.. yes !! absolutely !!!!

musical artist soul /R'n'B /rock crossover genius ?????

sod the hysterical worldwide mass sycophants,
he was never any way near as gifted as Prince !!!!

As superb as MJ was at his mainstream entertainment profession..

please lests keep his limited creative musical artistry in perspective.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Acme
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 08:01 PM

I don't start threads for most pop artists, but I did for this one. The order of magnitude of importance in the music industry is off the scale, compared to most of the rest. I also started the Farrah thread, and expected it to be moved below, unless someone found some musical association that I wasn't aware of. What I DON'T do is ever start an obit thread with "BS."

For a long time I think a lot of people here have acknowledged that the core of their musical interest is folk or blues, but many of us have eclectic tastes and stray into lots of other music venues. If you try to exclude the conversation about the others, you'll have a dried up little site with martinets as moderators, kicking out all of the non-germane stuff. That would be a sorry site.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Soldier boy
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 09:06 PM

Lizzie Cornish 1, Wow what a eulogy for Michael!!

Yours has been the best contribution so far on this thread because of your utmost sincerity, honesty and pure emotion, so well expressed and written.

I do not know if you know it but you are one powerful wordsmith.
Your use of words is so evocative,sublime, and they stir the emotions and the soul.

You certainly stirred mine and you have moved me (and that takes a lot of doing).

If you are not already into 'creative writing' then please do consider this and act upon it for you have the writers instinct to write a best selling novel. I josh not, I can recognise talent and believe in you. Just do it! Trust me - and start now!

Chris


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Neil D
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 10:17 PM

Meanwhile, on the subject of death: has anyone heard whether Neda's family have been allowed to see her body?


George, I don't know if the parents ever saw the body, but I saw a report today that several people had placed flowers and mementos on her grave in defiance of government orders not to mourn her.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 10:59 PM

"Genius".    Using that for either Elvis or Michael Jackson is proof positive of absurd language inflation. Which of course, as usual with inflation, has led to language debasement.

I can't think of one pop musical "genius"--somebody to rank with Mozart, Brahms, Beethoven, Bach etc.--unless you call Gershwin "pop"--since he straddled both and did them supremely well.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 11:01 PM

Though George's pop without Ira's lyrics is unthinkable.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 11:03 PM

But Joe, who the hell is--or was--Jake Goody, and how did he cause you such misery?


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,Gormless Bob
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 11:07 PM

what, you never heard of Jake Goody & Da Big Brothers !!???

man wherez you bin, you not listen to the wireless this last 100 years..


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 11:10 PM

No, I stopped listening 101 years ago.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Jun 09 - 11:12 PM

But the main question is: why did he treat our Joe so lousy?


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 12:33 AM

He was a consummate dancer and I enjoyed watching him, esp. in Black or White. Good message even if he was a bit confused about it himself. And, I like the trad dancing.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,Pierre Le Chapeau
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 01:18 AM

Bill D.
may you long continue to Thread on Mudcat. Your opinions are very much valued Im sure. I was not being rude.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,6 months younger than MJ
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 01:27 AM

serious..

anyone aware of a 'folk' tinted track on any of Jackos releases ???
..even just a traditional 'folk' instrument prominent in the mix ????


"Gospel" ?, I'm not qualified to comment..
but if gospel is considered here as 'Folk' ?

even any evidence of that..???


Ok, clutching straws, but just something, anything
to appease the hardline
separitist unforgiving folkzis....


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: goatfell
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 03:53 AM

who is jake goody and his band because I haven't heard of them either


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Eye Lander
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 04:41 AM

Yay Lizzie! I don't have the skills to write like you, but thank you, you have said everything that I feel.



Jillie


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 05:10 AM

In echo of what SRS said back there, it's obvious Mudcat isn't so much about Folk as it is about Folkies, and few Folkies in my experience would be so limited in their musical appreciations not to have been touched by music other than Folk, let alone by the singular genius (and I don't use the word lightly) that was Michael Jackson.

One might move onto the Folkloric / Fortean significance of his manifest eccentricity (this was the man who attempted the buy the skeleton of Joseph Carey Merrick after all) but that must be a discussion for another place and another time. Right now it's enough that this obituary has its place above the line on Mudcat and that Folkies are listening to music other than Folk.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 05:44 AM

Wot Suibhne O'Piobaireachd said.

I was born in 1967 and was 14 when Thriller came out. It inevitably formed an aural backdrop to those impressionable years. That I then moved to The Byrds, and REM, then Caravan and Pink Floyd, then Fairport and Steeleye to eventually land on Walter Pardon (not literally) is OK isn't it?

Or should I shun everything 'non folkie' and go along with Virginia Tam's ridiculous [Jackson's songs] all sounded the same with exception of Ben


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Mooh
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 07:25 AM

He was absolutely no influence on me (or mine) other than to repulse me. I heartily disliked his music from the start, and his persona reeked of self-servitude and self-absorption. There is doubt as to how much of his music was of his own composition, arrangement, or production (there were plenty of contributors on the recordings), and his actual influence beyond the pop entertainment world is negligible. For example, in ten years of music instruction I have never once been asked for his music, or had him listed as a like or influence by students. As self-titled king of pop he was a pretender who was dethroned years ago.

That said, I understand that others admire him, and his demise will saturate the airwaves for a while. Another reason to avoid the "news" programs...

...but, I've been reading and watching way too much about MJ (it's a weird cultural phenomenon), but what strikes me are 2 things: the over-the-top hyperbole describing his accomplishments, and the apologists for his actions, especially on all the news channels.

From what I can discern, the man was a head case who never got his personal life together, blaming others for things, excusing his behavior, victimizing employees and others in positions of trust, being irresponsible with his considerable fortune, self-aggrandizing like a dictator, manipulating personal and sexual relationships. He was no role model, yet he seemed to show no outward shame.

We are what we make of ourselves, and if he was such a tortured soul, he only had himself to blame.

An aside: A society which allows itself to descend into the kind of celebrity fixated hero-worship that we see here is truly misguided and deluded.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: number 6
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 07:55 AM

"An aside: A society which allows itself to descend into the kind of celebrity fixated hero-worship that we see here is truly misguided and deluded."

so true Mooh, so true.

what's happening over in Iran in the last 2 days?

biLL


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 09:18 AM

Lizzie, I love what you wrote. I've just watched your Beat It link - absolutely brilliant.

Michael Jackson was truly amazing.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Ron Davies
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 01:00 PM

Jake Goody was a consummate dancer and a genius?   Is that all?


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Mooh
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 01:28 PM

biLL - "What's happening over in Iran in the last 2 days?"

Right on.

Didn't they stop to mourn MJ like the rest of the world? I keep hearing what an international star he was, how everyone in the world adored him, blah blah blah. I could just puke. I pity him and those who invested themselves in him, but the world is a much bigger place than this.

Someone asked me how it was that I wasn't influenced by MJ, being involved in the music industry and all. Well, because I listen to non-pop, un-pop, and don't subscribe to the pop lifestyle. MJ just wasn't in my radar nor did I want him to be.

It is a shame that his life had to malfunction as it did, and it was an untimely death, but not unforeseeable. Why is anybody surprised?

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 01:31 PM

"...let alone by the singular genius (and I don't use the word lightly) that was Michael Jackson."

Michael jackson was NOT a genius - calling him one devalues the word!
Newton was a genius as were Galileo, Michaelangelo, Leonardo, Einstein, Darwin, Mozart, Beethoven and Alan Turing.

Newton told us that "he stood on the shoulders of giants". Michael Jackson stood on a 4 billion ton mountain of hype and bullshit!


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Peace
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 02:15 PM

Say what you really mean, Shimrod.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 02:23 PM

Has the word OVERATED surfaced yet? and that's putting it mildly.

One is hard put to realise that Tamala Motown produced both Michael Jackson and a REAL musical great, Smokey Robinson.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Mooh
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 03:38 PM

Shimrod is quite correct. I've been reading "Music, The Brain, And Ecstasy" by Robert Jourdain. In it he describes, among other things, the genius of some of the greatest musicians. Sorry folks, MJ barely qualifies as bush league.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Janie
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 04:24 PM

I've never been a fan of Pop music. I actively and intensely dislike listening to Opera. Because I don't like a genre doesn't mean that genre doesn't have it's great performers.

I do love dance and I love theater. I know a lot more about dance than I do about theater or pop music

I never followed MJ's career, but on those occasions where by hapstance I saw a televised performance or music video, I knew I was watching great performances. Although I had seen him perform Thriller on stage on telvesion a number of years ago, and recall how exciting it was, I saw the Thriller video for the first time just a couple of months ago when my son downloaded it from iTunes.   I thought it was awesome. (I'm not real fond of music videos, by the way.)

These threads have piqued my interest, and like probably 3,000,000 other people who are avoiding doing chores on a Saturday, I've been watching MJ videos on YouTube this afternoon, and am working my way through the "Man in the Mirror" segments for which Lizzie provided a link.

I don't know if he was a musical genious or not. It is clear that folks like Quincy Jones and Motown's Goody considered him one. It is also clear that other "greats" from Motown and Pop music considered him to be remarkable gifted. I am coming away with the impression that he is, at least, a performing genius. Watch him dance. Notice how he embodies the music, notice the grace and the impression of weightlessness. Had he chosen to pursue a career in ballet or modern dance, there is little doubt he would have been a star.

I never saw him live. I suspect, though, he had the powerful, charismatic stage presence of Mick Jagger in his prime. (Most charismatic live performer I ever saw, reaching me all the way back in the bleachers on the 50 yard line of the Gator Bowl in Jacksonville. Jagger's power never came across in the television and video performances I occasionally saw. MJ's power does.

Based on what one could read in the news over the years, MJ appears to have become personally weird, to say the least, but I don't think anyone outside of his immediate circle really knows, or really knows if he became "weirder" than a lot of other icons who lived out their short lives under the relentless lense of fame and publicity.

Pablo Picasso, if you have read any of his biographies, was a sick, unpleasant, missogynistic man. He was also a great artist. I would hope that, whether or not one likes pop music, highly produced music, dance, or has a negative opinion of Michael Jackson the person based on the publicity around him over the years, that one can still respect and appreciate his artistry.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 04:29 PM

Nice, Lizzie. Thanks.

Dani


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 05:34 PM

Great TOTP2 tribute on BBC2 right now - check it out!


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Acme
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 11:21 AM

That is your opinion, GregB, but it was never proved in court. And the family that brought the complaint never moved on to a civil suit for obvious reasons--they'd already tried to get the legal system to flog their victim to get a settlement so they'd drop charges based upon no evidence. They'd have had to produce real evidence in the civil trial. The legal system is great at operating on hear-say.

It is possible to feel very sorry for this guy who had no view of the real world from his strange and sheltered environment. No sense of money, no sense, apparently of the guile that people would use to approach him and prey on his sympathies. I think that family knew enough from insiders to be able to insert themselves into his inner circle, then they tried to cash in. They should have been tried, but I've heard no news of it if it happened.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: maple_leaf_boy
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 04:22 PM

I heard that he died of food poisoning.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,Mike B.
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 08:19 PM

I don't recall Elvis' death thirty years ago getting nearly the same intensity of media coverage as Jackson's.

Of course there were no 24 hour cable news and entertainment channels back then, but I once heard that the story didn't even lead the evening newscasts on CBS and NBC (only ABC deeming it significant enough).


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 04:12 AM

I cannot believe how gillible the whole world is... MJ is not dead. He never needs to perform again, he's had practice having not performed for 10 years. He's been flown out and operated on so that he is unrecognisable. He was millions of dollars in debt, now he's 'dead' this will be paid off by all of you buying for his albums, visiting Never Land, and donating to 'the cause'. No bailing out by his family now!all of this crap about his Dr being under suspicion is just a smoke screen, a decoy. Wouldn't you lie for a good pay off? Take the wrap even?


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 04:17 AM

"The nature of Jackson's foibles weren't extraordinary, though their magnitude and their reverberations might be. His finances were a shambles, but so were Ed McMahon's; Jackson's debt, however, was measured in the hundreds of millions of dollars and his assets included publishing rights to hundreds of Beatles songs and the famous, or infamous, Neverland Ranch outside Santa Barbara. Attempts to untangle his personal finances involved Citigroup, Bank of America and Goldman Sachs, Wall Street institutions more accustomed to resuscitating patients such as AIG and General Motors. The luminaries who flocked to his side to lend their assistance in his many hours of need while basking in his reflected glow included Ron Burkle, the Rev. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Johnnie Cochran. Who was exploiting whom in these relationships? It's impossible to say."


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Smedley
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 06:11 AM

It's only to be expected that lots of Mudcat people find the hype industry surrounding Jackson to be appalling and loathsome. But under the mountains of industrialised manipulation was one of the finest singers I have ever heard.

It's not one of his best-known tracks, but if you hunt out his cover version of Bill Withers' 'Ain't No Sunshine' you will hear singing of the most extraordinarily gifted and moving soulfulness. 'I Want You Back', 'Don't Stop Til You Get Enough' and 'Billie Jean' are just as phenomenal. Most of his later output was dire - and 'Thriller' is a very silly little song (and it should have been called 'Horror' given the films it references!!) but this doesn't erase how great he was at his best.

Only my opinion, of course.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Noreen
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 07:26 AM

Lovely tribute, Lizzie.

I still think of him as the little boy he was when singing with the Jackson 5- that lovely, fresh-faced, happy child.

So sad at all that happened to him since.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 11:59 AM

and black, I think?


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Tootler
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 03:22 PM

Mooh said it all. Michael Jackson was vastly overrated and was a product of the commercial pop world of hype.

Yes he was a good singer, but no better than many others.

Yes it is a pity he had to die relatively young, but I was not a bit surprised when it happened. There were persistent news reports that his health was not good and doubts were being expressed that he would be fit enough for the London Concerts - always denied by his publicity machine of course. Well those rumours proved true - in the ultimate way.

I keep seeing the word genius bandied about. This is becoming a much overworked word and belittles the achievements of real geniuses. Michael Jackson was not among them.

Only time will tell whether any of his achievements will prove lasting.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Wesley S
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 03:49 PM

Not to offend anyone here but I wouldn't expect to find accurate or unbiased evaluations of Michael Jacksons talents on a folk music website. And I wouldn't go to Micheal Jacksons fan site to find an accurate evaluation of Pete Seegars talents either.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 05:47 PM

Taken from here.....

From Lisa Marie Presley's Myspace Blog:


>>>"Friday, June 26, 2009

He Knew.

Years ago Michael and I were having a deep conversation about life in general.

I can't recall the exact subject matter but he may have been questioning me about the circumstances of my Fathers Death.

At some point he paused, he stared at me very intensely and he stated with an almost calm certainty, "I am afraid that I am going to end up like him, the way he did."

I promptly tried to deter him from the idea, at which point he just shrugged his shoulders and nodded almost matter of fact as if to let me know, he knew what he knew and that was kind of that.

14 years later   I am sitting here watching on the news an ambulance leaves the driveway of his home, the big gates, the crowds outside the gates, the coverage, the crowds outside the hospital, the Cause of death and what may have led up to it and the memory of this conversation hit me, as did the unstoppable tears.

A predicted ending by him, by loved ones and by me, but what I didn't predict was how much it was going to hurt when it finally happened.

The person I failed to help is being transferred right now to the LA County Coroners office for his Autopsy.

All of my indifference and detachment that I worked so hard to achieve over the years has just gone into the bowels of hell and right now I am gutted.

I am going to say now what I have never said before because I want the truth out there for once.

Our relationship was not "a sham" as is being reported in the press. It was an unusual relationship yes, where two unusual people who did not live or know a "Normal life" found a connection, perhaps with some suspect timing on his part. Nonetheless, I do believe he loved me as much as he could love anyone and I loved him very much.

I wanted to "save him" I wanted to save him from the inevitable which is what has just happened.

His family and his loved ones also wanted to save him from this as well but didn't know how and this was 14 years ago. We all worried that this would be the outcome then.

At that time, In trying to save him, I almost lost myself.

He was an incredibly dynamic force and power that was not to be underestimated.

When he used it for something good, It was the best and when he used it for something bad, It was really, REALLY bad.

Mediocrity was not a concept that would even for a second enter Michael Jackson's being or actions.

I became very ill and emotionally/ spiritually exhausted in my quest to save him from certain self-destructive behavior and from the awful vampires and leeches he would always manage to magnetize around him.

I was in over my head while trying.

I had my children to care for, I had to make a decision.

The hardest decision I have ever had to make, which was to walk away and let his fate have him, even though I desperately loved him and tried to stop or reverse it somehow.

After the Divorce, I spent a few years obsessing about him and what I could have done different, in regret.

Then I spent some angry years at the whole situation.

At some point, I truly became Indifferent, until now.

As I sit here overwhelmed with sadness, reflection and confusion at what was my biggest failure to date, watching on the news almost play by play The exact Scenario I saw happen on August 16th, 1977 happening again right now with Michael (A sight I never wanted to see again) just as he predicted, I am truly, truly gutted.

Any ill experience or words I have felt towards him in the past has just died inside of me along with him.

He was an amazing person and I am lucky to have gotten as close to him as I did and to have had the many experiences and years that we had together.

I desperately hope that he can be relieved from his pain, pressure and turmoil now.

He deserves to be free from all of that and I hope he is in a better place or will be.

I also hope that anyone else who feels they have failed to help him can be set free because he hopefully finally is.

   The World is in shock but somehow he knew exactly how his fate would be played out some day more than anyone else knew, and he was right.


I really needed to say this right now, thanks for listening.

~LMP"

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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 06:26 PM

A cautionary tale, this. Truthfully, I was too old to be a fan of Michael Jackson, but I could readily appreciate the talent and the stagecraft he brought to work. His is the story common to many whose parents use their children to enrich and aggrandize themselves. Hollywood is full of them, and of the children of stars and wanna-be stars who can't live up to the hype, the scrutiny and the fast times. This sad soul was a child living out his fantasies in an adult body he was always uncomfortable with. The plastic surgeons, and any other doctors, who enabled him deserve the millstone more than him.

I don't pretend to know the reality of his life, amidst all the accusations and innuendo, who really does? One thing I would counsel;
if you want to be famous, be careful what you wish for.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: melodeonboy
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 07:11 PM

"Truthfully, I was too old to be a fan of Michael Jackson"

Eh?


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Stringsinger
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 09:39 PM

The Hollywood culture produces the drug-infested world of nihilism and self-destruction.
The Eagles got it right when they said, "You can check out but never leave".
Also, "You can't kill the beast".

Brian Wilson, Elvis, MJ and so many others, Baluchi, .............all the dope and denial
can't shut it out.

Americans are fascinated with life in the fast lane. MJ and Sanford have wrapped up
media news. Meanwhile Iraq and Pakistan want America to leave. Khomenei rules Iran with an iron fist. A new coup in Honduras. Health Care with a public option may not get passed. Detainees still don't get a fair trial.

Wesley, Pete Seeger will be remembered for his integrity and bravery when MJ is just a
footnote in pop music culture. MJ's legacy will be that of a victim of child abuse.
All the fame and fortune in the world won't make that go away.

Hollywood is drugged-out-to-lunch.

Frank


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Ron Davies
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 11:24 PM

It's one thing to smear poor Michael with unproven allegations (other than amazingly stupid behavior) but on this thread somebody else has been smeared: King Canute.

According to the famous legend, he did not in fact want to turn back the waves. Rather he was demonstrating to his courtiers how little power he had against nature (i.e. God). Admittedly part of the good press he received--which has since morphed into a simplistic misunderstanding-- was due to his good relations with the historians of the time (i.e. the Church).


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 06:23 PM

Michael Jackson was enormously talented and skilled. I never cared for his music or his writing, but man that guy could perform, entertain and dance. He became tremendously fucked up, and I felt a great sadness--much as I do when I see people getting themselves changed surgically so they can fit someone else's view of what they should look like. He became almost a carricature of himself. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Hell, don't watch TV for twenty years then go watch TV for an evening. I did last night and I found it to be more disgusting than it was when I turned it off 'for good' two decades past. The lame laugh tracks, the jokes that ain't funny, the coiffed hair of men who spend more time in front of the mirror than a teenager getting ready for his first date, the women with collagened lips and breasts.

Michael Jackson's death brings to mind a song by THE Bard.

"by Bob Dylan

Who killed Davey Moore,
Why an' what's the reason for?

"Not I," says the referee,
"Don't point your finger at me.
I could've stopped it in the eighth
An' maybe kept him from his fate,
But the crowd would've booed, I'm sure,
At not gettin' their money's worth.
It's too bad he had to go,
But there was a pressure on me too, you know.
It wasn't me that made him fall.
No, you can't blame me at all."

Who killed Davey Moore,
Why an' what's the reason for?

"Not us," says the angry crowd,
Whose screams filled the arena loud.
"It's too bad he died that night
But we just like to see a fight.
We didn't mean for him t' meet his death,
We just meant to see some sweat,
There ain't nothing wrong in that.
It wasn't us that made him fall.
No, you can't blame us at all."

Who killed Davey Moore,
Why an' what's the reason for?

"Not me," says his manager,
Puffing on a big cigar.
"It's hard to say, it's hard to tell,
I always thought that he was well.
It's too bad for his wife an' kids he's dead,
But if he was sick, he should've said.
It wasn't me that made him fall.
No, you can't blame me at all."

Who killed Davey Moore,
Why an' what's the reason for?


"Not me," says the gambling man,
With his ticket stub still in his hand.
"It wasn't me that knocked him down,
My hands never touched him none.
I didn't commit no ugly sin,
Anyway, I put money on him to win.
It wasn't me that made him fall.
No, you can't blame me at all."

Who killed Davey Moore,
Why an' what's the reason for?

"Not me," says the boxing writer,
Pounding print on his old typewriter,
Sayin', "Boxing ain't to blame,
There's just as much danger in a football game."
Sayin', "Fist fighting is here to stay,
It's just the old American way.
It wasn't me that made him fall.
No, you can't blame me at all."

Who killed Davey Moore,
Why an' what's the reason for?

"Not me," says the man whose fists
Laid him low in a cloud of mist,
Who came here from Cuba's door
Where boxing ain't allowed no more.
"I hit him, yes, it's true,
But that's what I am paid to do.
Don't say 'murder,' don't say 'kill.'
It was destiny, it was God's will."

Who killed Davey Moore,
Why an' what's the reason for?"


We as a society turn people into things they're not. I think we did that to him, too. That's all I have to say.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,Mike B.
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 11:07 PM

That song was based on an actual boxing death from the early 60s - Phil Ochs also wrote one about it, although not as good as Dylan's.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 11:41 PM

IMO, the best version was done by Pete Seeger.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: M.Ted
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 11:51 PM

Davey Moore does come to mind, Bruce. Phil Ochs wrote the perfect epitaph for Michael Jsckson, in "The Chords of Fame"

Theyll rob you of your innocence
They will put you up for sale
The more that you will find success
The more that you will fail.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 12:40 AM

Going from the sublime to the ridiculous, the following is apparently the result of a collaboration between Tom Paxton and David Buskin.

Let's go to Michael Jackson's house,
The party never stops,
Be sure to bring your jammies,
Well really just the tops.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Janie
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 02:07 AM

I always marvel at the fascination, including my own, with untimely tragedy or death of the famous and gifted, (and also the locally renown and gifted that most, if not all of us, have known in our personal circles.)


It seems it is one part a desire for a heros or gods/goddesses, one part envy, one part empathy, one part self-righteousness, one part shock, and at least one part object lesson on gratitude for the mundane and ordinary and the value of that in our own lives. And certainly a bunch of other parts that I either haven't noticed, or have chosen to not take the time to name here.

Let's let the guy rest in peace. None of us knew him, knew anyone who knew him, or much thought about him until he died.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Jason Xion Wang
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 05:50 AM

R.I.P.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 05:35 AM

So, I'm driving to South Devon with a builder friend of mine and we get talking about Michael. We'd just driven past the new Exeter Football Stadium and I was telling him my story above, of when the children and I saw Michael in Exeter. Suddenly he says...

"Yeah, my kids have met some of the Jackson 5. They came to visit their school in Plymouth a few months back."

?

My mouth dropped open, just a fraction...

"Didn't you know The Jacksons love Devon? They come here a lot. I think they've got a place down here somewhere."

????

And my mouth hit the floor.....LOL

The Jackson 5 in Devon

Well, who'd a thought it, eh?

So maybe Michael didn't fly in from the USA that time, he merely popped over from Appledore in North Devon.   :0)

And..taken from the Times on Line link, above:

"The village itself may offer limited diversion. In this pretty historical fishing village, where the Taw and Torridge rivers meet, life centres on the quay, which hosts crabbing contests and Morris Dancing. There is also an ice-cream shop."

There you go, The Jackson 5 possibly watched Morris Dancing in their local Devon village!

Come on, hands up...WHO said that Michael Jackson had no place on Mudcat, no right to be up here in the music section? Shame on you! ;0)


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 05:51 AM

Excellent, Lizze! Wish we'd known about that on our Devon jaunt a few weeks back - Appledore would have been high on the itinerary...


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Acme
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 11:44 AM

Great story, Lizzie. Are all of the brothers so recognizable that people knew who they were immediately? I wouldn't know any of the Jacksons except Michael, Janet, and LaToya. And LaToya is marginal. If they dress in the "look at me" style we see in celebrity photos that's a clue, but if they just dress in jeans and t-shirts, don't have an entourage, is there a chance at being left alone? For example, in your neighborhood, on your street, if someone famous drove up in a normal non-flashy car and walked into the house, they could probably go in unnoticed and unmolested? In my village I'm sure you could probably go for a walk and not be noticed or bothered. But that's if the individual isn't telegraphing, through apparel or body language "look at me" or "I'm conspicuously trying to not be noticed."

maple_leaf_boy, that "joke" is stupid junior high school boy puerile material. Someone else started a thread that ended after two posts because it contained nothing but that stupidity. Are you 12 years old? Is that why you've tried so many times to get someone to pay attention to you?

SRS


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 01:40 PM

I am confused..did he have a younger brother? Sometimes I count six in the Jackson 5 and one seems younger or at least smaller than Michael.

Anyway, here is a very good insight from Huffington post.

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nerakami I'm a Fan of nerakami permalink

Michael Jackson's death like Princess Diana is an opportunity to give our collective consciousness an outlet to globally mourn. To cry and collectively release all that pent up frustrations and sorrow because of all the horrible things happening that you say we should pay more attention to... oh believe me there are many of us who do pay attention but if some occurrence doesn't come along once in a while allowing us the chance to grieve for our miserable souls - then my friend more and more of us would be jumping off buildings incapable of coping. Let us give thanks for the Universe providing mankind with events in our history that allow us a sense of emotional release. Let us cry and let go the sorrow inside - and then we will wipe our eyes, blow our noses and continue to be bombarded by events demonstrating the horrors of our human nature...


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 01:42 PM

"Are all of the brothers so recognizable that people knew who they were immediately?"

Appledore's a small village, so word would get around in no time, I would think, SRS, probably helped along by a few agents here and there.. :0)

Just found...Billie Jean been looking for it for ages, but it wasn't there as 'they' had removed it.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: DADGBE
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 01:33 AM

It's remarkable how quickly the zeitgeist responds to such an event as his death. I was playing a gig today, July 4th, and heard the first of what will probably turn out to be many jokes on the subject. To wit -

Farrah Fawcett died, went to heaven and God granted her a wish. She asked God to protect the children so he knocked off Michael Jackson.

Funny? Perhaps, but it shows the level of charge that folks have about him.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Acme
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 02:31 AM

No, it's not funny, it shows that you're tasteless.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: open mike
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 04:24 AM

I saw a news report today that mentioned that Michael Jackson made a desperate plea to a nurse a few days before his death stating that he felt cold on one half of his body and hot on the other half. She recommended and/or insisted that he go to a hospital, but he did not follow that advice.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 06:29 AM

changing faces


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Acme
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 09:41 AM

Jon Stewart weighs in about the media coverage of Jackson's death here.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: SharonA
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 10:06 AM

mg sez "I am confused..did he have a younger brother? Sometimes I count six in the Jackson 5 and one seems younger or at least smaller than Michael."

Randy (Steven Randall Jackson) is Michael's younger brother. He is older than Janet, who is the youngest sibling. Both Randy and Janet made several "guest appearances" with the Jackson 5. Later, after Michael left the group to build his solo career, the band reformed in 1976 as "The Jacksons" and Randy joined the group; they signed with Epic Records. Randy co-wrote their hit "Shake Your Body (Down to the Ground)" with Michael. He also worked with Michael on Michael's solo recordings.

For reference, Wikipedia lists three generations of the Jackson family on this page.


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