I hate dogs

Subject: I hate dogs
From: G-Force
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 05:40 AM

Not BS, because I'm posting as a grounded concertina player. Why? Because some effing Weimaraner has decided to sink its teeth into my right arm. And I can't get Plod to have the dog taken away or put down, because they won't take my word as 100% positive ID and without that they won't take the case to court.

So the owner is laughing his bollocks off, he's got off scot free and the dog is still there (better hide your kids).

Meanwhile I'm stuck at home with my bandaged arm in a sling, I can't sleep at night, I'm popping antibiotics until they're squirting out of my arse (which I'm having to try and wipe left-handed), contemplating the bloody arrogance of dog-owners, and I can't even play my concertina.

Something is wrong with this picture.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: G-Force
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 05:43 AM

Dogs are nasty, noisy, unhygeinic and dangerous, what is the point of them?

According to Wikipedia the Weimaraner is the 21st most intelligent breed of dog, so god save us from all the even-more-stupid ones.

In the early days of the space program they used to send dogs up in rockets. Shame they stopped really.

Did I mention that I hate dogs?

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Leadfingers
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 05:45 AM

There are NO bad dogs , just Bad breeders and Bad Owners

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: GUEST,jOhn
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 05:47 AM

some dogs is biting peole, but that doesent mean all dogs are rubbish, anyway= some dogs help people, ie help disableds, help blind cross the road, take them shopping and that, dogs do loads of charity work, help people waht stuck to mountains and all sorts of stuff.

cats never help anyone, they are lazy, and just sleep all day.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: GUEST,jOhn
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 05:49 AM

when did you ever see a cat do volountary work, never!

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 05:54 AM

cats never help anyone, they are lazy, and just sleep all day.

Apart from when they get up and shit on my lawn

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Amergin
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 05:57 AM

Maybe the dog was telling you it didn't like your music?

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: jeddy
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:00 AM

i am with leadfingers on this, it is the same with children i think.
there are some parents that let their kids get away with anything, don't care where they are or who they are with.
it can be the same with dog owners, was the owner with the dog when it bit you g-force?

i would hate the owner if i were you.
i feel sorry for you,i know from experiance how hard it is to have to wipe your' arse with the wrong hand!!

our dogs are under very strict control while we are with them, but have been a couple of times aggressive when we have left them, which we have taken total responsabality(?) for.
the fault has been entirely ours at festivals when we have forgotten to shorten the chains they are on, which normally isn't a problem, we have now sorted that out now, since we do not want it to happen again.

now we have a caravan, they no longer escape from the car, ..who knew that a dog could squeeze his head through a gap that is smaller than his head???(2-3 inches).

the dog owner should have been brought in front of a court at least for loss of earnings and truama from the attack.

i hope your' arm gets better soon, please don't write off all dogs and owners,most of us as with parents try to do a good job.

take care

jade x x x

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: jeddy
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:04 AM

cats are a bastrd they know i am alergic to them so come for me every time!!

you would think that because our garden smells of dog they would avoid it.., oh no, they sit where the doogs can't get them and torment them.

jade x x x

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Stu
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:07 AM

Perhaps it thought you were going to pick up the bodhran instead?

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: kendall
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:13 AM

Where I live, dogs that bite dont live long.Details on request.

Our Labrador retriever, Seamus, would never bite anyone or anything.If he ever did I would have him put down because he would be a very sick dog.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: G-Force
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:13 AM

OK, OK, I'm sure dogs can be lovely, especially if you are their owner.

Really I'm just letting off steam as a way of getting 'closure'. The police may have closed their file, but that doesn't help me, or my wife who is now terrified to go out in the street. Perhaps we'll just have to drive everywhere (stuff the planet, dogs have their rights).

The dog was out on its own, in the street, no owner or muzzle or anything.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Stu
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:18 AM

"The dog was out on its own, in the street, no owner or muzzle or anything."

That's just not on (for other people and the dog), and what gets the rest of us dog owners a bad name. Why these idiots are allowed to keep animals is beyond me.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:21 AM

Weimaraners are usually pretty good. They are a hunt-point-retrieve dog and should be soft-mouthed. My Benjamin is a border-cross and I do not take him to festivals precisely because he is rather territorial - and likes to chase things, even though he is getting older. Sheep could be quite a problem! On the other hand he is useful for deterring burglars.

Why not bring civil proceedings for damages? There you only have to prove your case "on the balance of probabilities" not "beyond reasonable doubt".

If you check your buildings and/or contents insurance you may find you have cover that may enable you to get your insurance company to pay for suing the dog-owner.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: G-Force
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:31 AM

Kendall - don't tempt me!
Richard Bridge - thanks for that last point. I shall look into it.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Jack Campin
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:32 AM

Police are required to deal with any stray dog immediately.

Or maybe you should take up the zaqq.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Acorn4
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:44 AM

I quite like dogs, but they have been a problem to us in that we have an autistic son, and, like many autistic people he is scared of dogs, possibly because of their unpredictable behaviour.

Most dog owners realise this when they see us approaching and will hold their dogs close while we pass, but you get the occasional one who thinks that the dogs on a lead bit doesn't apply to them.

I agree it's the owners rather than the dogs. Man and dog have been in a symbiotic relationship for centuries but maybe we need to rethink the whole pets thing. Many dogs are just a lifestyle accessory to go in the Range Rover.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: bubblyrat
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:58 AM

Yes,I agree.Your local Police (I don't know where you are ?) must be total rubbish if they don't even know the law regarding dogs roaming the streets....perhaps one of them is the owner,or a relative,or something? ...it all sounds very fishy to me! Anyway, I would sue the owner AND the Police,and if I saw an unsupervised dog running around outside my house,biting people,I would persuade it to desist with my nice new "Draper" garden spade.
       Oh yes,and my partner,Wild Flying Dove,has two dogs,a Poodle and a Hovercraft ( or it sounds like that),and they're both delightful ! (so is she!!). Get well soon-----meanwhile,I will track down some left-handed toilet -tissue for you.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 07:42 AM

If you can't prevent your dog jumping all over other dogs, strangers and/or their picnic or tent or whatever, then they should keep them on a lead at all times. Bloody fecks me off when you hear 'oh he doesn't bite ha ha ha ha'. The owners are more annoying if anything, for the fact that you are supposed to find is as entertaining as they evidently do.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: glueman
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 07:45 AM

The worst my lurcher will do is roll on her back and show you her pudenda.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: alanabit
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 07:46 AM

Wolves very rarely attack human beings, so there is really no excuse for an owner of a violent dog. It's them that need putting down...

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: jeddy
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 07:52 AM

our dogs are fine with sheep, horses and cattle, it is just when people come too close to the caravan, but we have taken to covering up the van windows with tarpulin, leaving the radio on so they can't hear outside, and we chain them to the wheel of the van.we have learnt alot since we got the third one, who we rescued from an alleyway in nottingham just teid and left. this is why he is so protective, he is so thick that he barks at his own refletion in windows and the mirror in the house!!

we have often come back to complaints of noise but we know that they settle down after 3/4 mins and when we come back they are fast asleep.

back on point, we have even gone so far as to buy a chain for someone whos dog kept escaping to make sure that everyone was safe. loose dogs are a danger to pedestrians and drivers alike. i haven't had to make the choice yet as to whether i hit the dog or risk an accident, fingers crossed i will never have to.

what also makes me mad is at festivals the people who don't pick up after their dog!!

rant over for now

take care all

jade x x x

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 08:16 AM

http://www.doglaw.co.uk/

http://www.dogstrust.org.uk/information/factsheets/doglaw/

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: erosconpollo
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 08:21 AM

The only bad experience I've had with a dog was when my girlfriend's pug decided to pee in my guitar case. Fortunately, the guitar was not in it!

Btw, don't go bad-mouthing cats -- if you're living on a farm or in the country, you'll find they do a lot of good in the way of pest control. I'd much rather have a cat or two than to go leaving poison or traps about.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 08:26 AM

Cats are brilliant! They just are... See here:



"My Cat Jeoffry" by Christopher Smart

from _Jubilate Agno_ (Rejoice in the Lamb).



For I will consider my Cat Jeoffry.

For he is the servant of the Living God, duly and daily serving him.

For at the first glance on the glory of God in the East he worships in his way.

For is this done by wreathing his body seven times around with elegant quickness.

For then he leaps up to catch the musk, which is the blessing of God upon his prayer.

For he rolls upon prank to work it in.

For having done duty and received blessing he begins to consider himself.

For this he performs in ten degrees.

For first he looks upon his forepaws to see if they are clean.

For secondly he kicks up behind to clear away there.

For thirdly he works it upon stretch with the forepaws extended.

For fourthly he sharpens his paws by wood.

For fifthly he washes himself.

For sixthly he rolls upon wash.

For seventhly he fleas himself, that he may not be interrupted upon the beat.

For eighthly he rubs himself against a post.

For ninthly he looks up for his instructions.

For tenthly he goes in quest of food.

For having considered God and himself he will consider his neighbor.

For if he meets another cat he will kiss her in kindness.

For when he takes his prey he plays with it to give it a chance.

For one mouse in seven escapes by his dallying.

For when his day's work is done his business more properly begins.

For he keeps the Lord's watch in the night against the adversary.

For he counteracts the powers of darkness by his electrical skin and glaring eyes.

For he counteracts the Devil, who is death, by brisking about the life.

For in his morning orisons he loves the sun and the sun loves him.

For he is of the tribe of Tiger.

For the Cherub Cat is a term of the Angel Tiger.

For he has the subtlety and hissing of a serpent, which in goodness he suppresses.

For he will not do destruction if he is well-fed, neither will he spit without provocation.

For he purrs in thankfulness when God tells him he's a good Cat.

For he is an instrument for the children to learn benevolence upon.

For every house is incomplete without him, and a blessing is lacking in the spirit.

For the Lord commanded Moses concerning the cats and the departure of the Children of Israel from Egypt.

For every family had one cat at least in the bag.

For the English Cats are the best in Europe.

For he is the cleanest in the use of his forepaws of any quadruped.

For the dexterity of the defense is an instance of the love of God to him exceedingly.

For he is the quickest to his mark of any creature.

For he is tenacious of his point.

For he is a mixture of gravity and waggery.

For he knows that God is his Saviour.

For there is nothing sweeter than his peace when at rest.

For there is nothing brisker than his life when in motion.

For he is of the Lord's poor, and so indeed is he called by benevolence perpetually -- Poor Jeoffry! poor Jeoffry! the rat has bit thy throat.

For I bless the name of the Lord Jesus that Jeoffry is better.

For the divine spirit comes about his body to sustain it in complete cat.

For his tongue is exceeding pure so that it has in purity what it wants in music.

For he is docile and can learn certain things.

For he can sit up with gravity, which is patience upon approbation.

For he can fetch and carry, which is patience in employment.

For he can jump over a stick, which is patience upon proof positive.

For he can spraggle upon waggle at the word of command.

For he can jump from an eminence into his master's bosom.

For he can catch the cork and toss it again.

For he is hated by the hypocrite and miser.

For the former is afraid of detection.

For the latter refuses the charge.

For he camels his back to bear the first notion of business.

For he is good to think on, if a man would express himself neatly.

For he made a great figure in Egypt for his signal services.

For he killed the Icneumon rat, very pernicious by land.

For his ears are so acute that they sting again.

For from this proceeds the passing quickness of his attention.

For by stroking of him I have found out electricity.

For I perceived God's light about him both wax and fire.

For the electrical fire is the spiritual substance which God sends from heaven to sustain the bodies both of man and beast.

For God has blessed him in the variety of his movements.

For though he cannot fly, he is an excellent clamberer.

For his motions upon the face of the earth are more than any other quadruped.

For he can tread to all the measures upon the music.

For he can swim for life.

For he can creep."

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 08:31 AM

Shame they eat little birds

L in C

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: goatfell
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 08:42 AM

aye you've got the love me love my dog, my dog doesn't bite well how does it eat it's food through a straw.
I'm with you I hate dogs and cats, not all just some.I got a bite by a dog when I was on my bicycle and the owner of the dog just walked on by and asked me if I was all right after watching me being bit by his dog, it had bit my foot and he stood and watched his dog attacking me on my bike. He never said that he was sorry or told his dog off, he just grabbed it and put the lead on and then walked away.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: goatfell
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 08:44 AM

aye and that is your responiable dog owners

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: kendall
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 08:53 AM

Take a golf club, a driver is best.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: olddude
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 09:01 AM

I never met a dog I didn't like, met plenty of people however

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 09:03 AM

Apartly a piece of lead in the ear is a good cure for dogs that misbehave. Not sure if it is the dogs ear or the owners...

:D (eG)

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: jacqui.c
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 09:15 AM

I'll go with Richard on this one - I used to be an injury claims handler and would occasionally have to deal with dog bite cases. The burden of proof is not as great here but getting your money if the owner doesn't have any kind of insurance that might cover the loss might be a problem. However, it might make them think a bit about their responsibility for the dog if it looks as if they are going to be hit in the pocket.

Sounds as if the police round your way think they have more important things to do. Wonder what will happen if this dog bites and badly injures a child next time.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: theleveller
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 09:37 AM

To say that all dogs are bad because some dogs are bad is a bit like saying that folk music is bad because some folk musicians are bad.

I have had quite a few dogs, including English and Staffordshire bull terriers and a bull mastiff, and none of them ever attacked a person, a cat or another dog. This is because I vetted the parents and the breeders before buying them, and then I trained them properly.

Both my wife and my son have, however, been quite badly bitten by other people's dogs, including one that belonged to a policeman.

I wouldn't say that there is no such thing as a bad dog, but there are plenty of bad owners.

G-force, your local council should have a dog warden - he or she would probably be the best person to contact. Around us they take their responsibilities very seriously.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: G-Force
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 09:37 AM

Hi, I'm back on line after my 5th hospital visit in 4 days.

Thanks for the advice and good wishes from all those who have sided with me rather than with the owner/dog combination.

To clarify, the dog wasn't a 'stray' in the usual sense of the word, it was just standing in the street outside the gateway of the owner's house. But the street was deserted (8.30 on Sunday morning) (I know, it's my fault for being awake) and it just went for me in a flash then ran back round the back.

The good news is that it attacked a man's arm rather than a child's throat. Even better, it didn't cut an artery (what would I have done, I was about 200 yards from home), and it now seems that the nerves and probably the tendons are undamaged so I should be OK in about 2 - 3 weeks. My next paid concertina gig is 1st August, so it's touch and go.

The police did get involved, at some length, but probably won't prosecute. I don't yet know what they said to the owner, but will be sure to find out.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: G-Force
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 09:39 AM

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: G-Force
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 09:40 AM

And the dog warden is on the case, further news awaited.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Sorcha
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 09:54 AM

I generally hate people more.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 11:03 AM

G-force, I am so glad to hear that no nerves and probably no tendons are damaged. Meanwhile, you have my heartfelt sympathy. 4 hospital visits in 5 days!

Have you told the docs that you are a musician and will probably need physical therapy after all this?

But you don't just need healing, you need revenge. I suggest you distribute a few copies of a flyer which has a picture of a Weimaraner on it. Then write:

                   PUBLIC SAFETY NOTICE

On [date] a dog such as this was loose on this street and attacked an _____ year-old folk musician. The dog was not provoked in any way. Note the ugly liver color of the coat and the creepy pale eyes.

[G-force, add ten years to your age for better impact.]

We must not be too hasty in blaming the dog. It may have been crazed by hunger and thirst because its owner was too stoned, hung over or mesmerized by pornography to care for it properly.

Nonetheless, be alert for such a dog and take steps necessary to protect yourself, the elderly, and the children.

=======
That should help. Then, accept it that you deserve special treats and coddling. First, think about what you would like. A ride in the country with your favorite CD's playing? An entire batch of homemade cookies, all for you?

Perhaps you would like to sit under an oak tree and listen to traditional music played by your friends. Let them bring you a glass of wine and some sweetmeats.

Whatever it is, start calling in your markers and start the return to life with music.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: olddude
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 11:09 AM

I don't know where you live but here in New York you can bring a small claims action for 10 dollars and I think it is up to 3000 dollars. If the authorities don't want to do anything I would make a statement though a civil action. I love all dogs but as a dog owner I don't let mine bite people nor do I keep a dog that is.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: olddude
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 11:14 AM

And ... all dogs go to heaven, all cats go to heaven, but the people who make Jell-O well, lets just say they better bring their lemon aid to ward off the heat!

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Jack Campin
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 11:21 AM

I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to bite people themselves.

- August Strindberg, A Madman's Diary, 1895

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: jeddy
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 11:37 AM

g-force, please make sure you don't drop this. you have proof that the dog lived there, as it ran round the back. this is neglegence on the part of the owner and should be held accountable.

as for me not biting people, it has been known but my doggy is less fussy to what goes in his mouth LOL.

there are too many owners who just let their dogs out and don't check that they can't escape, there are also those who let them out on the street and don't want them back until night,one of ours is a result of this, even though is it a love story, it is out of order.

good luck in whatever action you can bring against the owner and dog.

take care all

jade x x

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: kendall
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 01:42 PM

Top biters
1 Pit Bulls
2 Rotweiller
3 German Shepherd
4 Doberman.

bottom of the list
Labrador retrievers
Golden Retrievers

I wonder about people who own Pit Bulls; they must all have very wee willys.
I've known three Pit Bulls, a Doberman and a Rotweiller. None were aggressive. Nor were their owners.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: olddude
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 01:53 PM

Captain, I really think most of it is up to the owners. I know in Buffalo when my kid was working at the SPCA they had to put down many of the pitbulls and Rotweillers, some of the gang members had them and thought it was cool to train a dog to be aggressive ... made them think they were "bad" or something. I felt sorry for the dogs. Some dogs are just troubled and there is nothing you can do. others are made that way by assholes

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: olddude
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 02:00 PM

My 6 pound bella attacks tennis balls when I throw them

bella

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 02:08 PM

Take a camera with you and if you see the beast stepping one foot off its property take the picture and report to police. Keep a log of incidents and contact with authorities.

I hate it when people don't control their pets, letting them even jump on you even when friendly. How in the world do they tolerate that? I am past being polite, even in a friend's house. I deal directly with the dog and I tell it to stop in no uncertain terms.

I think the first time a dog bites a human off its property, or a civil servant (as opposed to guest) on its property, that dog should be put to sleep. And pit bulls should have to have like triple fences, 20 feet high. Zero tolerance for pit bulls and their stupid oh but he is my son owners. mg

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 02:34 PM

My greyhound Heidi has chewed one of my cameras and one of my guitar cases

How can one get angry at her ... Heidi

biLL

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: olddude
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 02:41 PM

Bill she is beautiful ... OMG

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 03:19 PM

"Dogs are nasty, noisy, unhygeinic and dangerous, Dogs are nasty, noisy, unhygeinic and dangerous, what is the point of them?"

I could say exactly the same about some humans who've crossed my path, G Force......say isn't that the name of a "what is the point of them?" rap group..now talk about a waste of space!

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Peace
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 05:00 PM

I once sent a dog that gratuitously bit me to doggie heaven, about five seconds after he bit me. I strangled the bastard. That said, my German Shepherd--named Tamar--saved my life once (and saved me from serious injury another time). Ther are good dogs out there. Have you considered killing the fucking thing?

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: number 6
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 05:33 PM

Jeeeeezuz


whew


biLL

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: number 6
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 05:49 PM

With that being said I have in my life put a dog down, because it did bite someone.

biLL

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:01 PM

The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue.        -Anonymous

The average dog is a nicer person than the average person. -Andy Rooney

If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous,
he will not bite you; that is the principal difference between a dog and a man.                        - Mark Twain

I have been bitten by a dog three times in my life; two had good reasons - in their way of thinking. One was just not nice. Fortunately, the bites were minimal. None caused me to hate to hate all dogs; nor did an abusive husband caused me to hate all men.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: number 6
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:06 PM

"The average dog is a nicer person than the average person. -Andy Rooney"

true.

Probably more dogs have been mistreated by humans than the number of dogs that have bit humans.

biLL

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:13 PM

As in most situations, people need all the facts before making a decision.

Just because the dog was in front of a certain house doesn't mean it lives there. Yes, it ran into the back, but it may have simply been trying to escape the furor. If there was a fence in the back, I'm sure it was capable of jumping it.

My little niece was attacked by a dog once. Owners had tied it outside on a hot day with no water. The police came, gave the owners a serious talking to, and nothing like that ever happened again.

My cat once bit at (rather than bit) a friend while she was petting his head. We checked him and found he had a sore, rather like a boil, in his gum. No doubt the cat thought my friend had hurt him. The vet treated the sore, and the cat returned to his loveable self.

Get the facts.
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G-force, are you drinking lots of water? Do you live alone? Who's doing the cooking?

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:22 PM

A great cat is worth two dogs in the bush but a cat will never help feed you unless you are partial to pidgeon.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: ranger1
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:23 PM

Kendall, I used to own a pit bull, and I have no willy at all. Rosie never bit anyone that I know of. on the other hand, I was once attacked by a black lab and I know more people who have been seriously bitten by labs and lab mixes than by any other breed. It just doesn't make the national news when it happens.

G-Force, I'm sorry that you had to experience the worst that the canine world has to offer.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:28 PM

Dogs and man have lived a symbiotic existence since caveman times. You can't just turn that off.

Cats? I should coco.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:47 PM

I can only sympathize with you, G-force, because it's definitely no fun getting bitten by a dog...specially a big dog like a Weimaraner.

My Dachshund, however, is not pleased with your thread title. He says he hates you too, and he intends to bite your ankle if he ever gets the chance. He also expressed a desire to pee on your rose bushes and defecate on your property.

In regards to your comment that dogs are "nasty, noisy, unhygeinic and dangerous", he rolled his eyes as if to say, "And that's supposed to be bad?????" He is proud of being nasty, noisy, unhygeinic and...well....slightly dangerous. He has a PHD in the second and third of those qualities.

When he realized, however, that you had been bitten by a WEIMARANER!!!....well, then he had to admit to sympathizing with your case. He hates Weimaraners. ;-D

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Jack Campin
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:49 PM

Put it to better use:

Doctor Dogmeat's book

That cover design would make a great t-shirt.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: GUEST,Peace
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 09:02 PM

"A great cat is worth two dogs in the bush but a cat will never help feed you unless you are partial to pidgeon."

Or cat . . . .

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 09:18 PM

I had a Dachshund--he died last year of old age--and you could literally pick him up and tie him in a knot, and he wouldn't bite you. However, if you tried to intervene while he was eating--pick a bowl up off the floor that he was licking, or something--he'd take your hand off at the wrist.
          I have a Weimaraner now, and I can't think of anything you could do to make him bite you. If he ever bit anyone I'd place a call to "Ripley's Believe It Or Not."

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: gnu
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 09:29 PM

Been said, but it bears repeating. Pet owners are the problem... those that do not understand their pets or how to train them or when to kill them. And, yes, sometimes pets need to be put down, although I sometimes wish it was the owner. >;-)

It's just the way it is. I didn't make the laws of common sense, I just understand them.

Training is quite simple, if the owner is not simple. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. So problems emerge. Especially when the pet cannot be trained and the owner doesn't understand that. That is when things go VERY wrong. That is when pets kill.

Now, saying that NO pets are bad is incorrect. I have seen them. With a knowledgible owner, managable... without... disaster.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 10:02 PM

Yes, Rig, Dachshunds take their food deadly seriously. One must always remember that. I've known several whose crowning ambition was to die by overeating, and one of them almost succeeded when he found a ton of sparerib bones the neighbours had dumped outside. We had to get his stomach pumped out by the vet. He was completely unrepentant and learned nothing from the experience.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Tangledwood
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 11:40 PM

. . . . they won't take my word as 100% positive ID and without that they won't take the case to court.

Couldn't a relative or close friend verify that it was definitely you?

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Ernest
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 02:01 AM

..some hate wieners - others hate whiners...

Regards
Ernest

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: GUEST,Stringsinger
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 05:03 AM

There's a problem with logic here. One ill-tempered dog doesn't represent the entire canine species. Many dogs are bred for hunting and biting by recalcitrant owners.
Since dogs are domesticated animals, owners have responsibility for them. If a dog bites anyone, the owner should be held accountable.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Penny S.
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 05:29 AM

Cats have been found to have entered into a relationship with humans much earlier than previously supposed, on Cyprus. They clearly offer something, or wouldn't have been taken on. Control of small rodents is probably it. My grandparents' farm cat was known to bring in rabbit for lunch, rather better than pigeon.

Back to the dogs. I was once menaced by a pair of uncollared German Shepherds, in threat mode, on th epublic road which they had crossed from their property to do so. The owner eventually appeared and called them off without any comment to me, so I went to the police. don't know what happened next. Local lore had it that the owner used to let them run loose around children in the park, also without collar, so I hope they were talked to. (Didn't know about them before.)

My then brother in law was savaged by a GS while on a footpath, and the police did not follow it up. The owner was heard to set the dog on him with the word "kill", and the bite mark, round his waist was on his abdomen, front and back. The police said they could not do anything without a doctor's report, though they had a photo. Their reaction was peculiar.

Penny

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 06:58 AM

By way of reminder, see above for links to reliable sources for law about dogs.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: goatfell
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 10:30 AM

I don't know how people can allow their dogs lick their faces after licking their own arses and balls or virgenias and that person will come give you a kiss

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 10:35 AM

It's because they love their dog (considerably) more than they do you.... ;-)

People will do anything for love. Consider some of the things that YOU have done for love, and you will see that I am right.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: G-Force
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 10:37 AM

I must say that it has been wonderfully therapeutic to be able to shout my mouth off on Mudcat and watch the replies (pro and anti) roll in. A bit like trolling, except that the underlying point is very serious.

Little Hawk, if your dachshund is male he is very welcome to come and pee in my garden, I believe the testosterone deters the foxes (I have been peeing out there too). Presumably female pee attracts them.

The sling is now off and all the bite holes are now dry except one which still has a dressing on it. My fingers work, my hand has got much of its grip back, but I still can't completely straighten the arm or lift anything heavy like a bucket of water or a pint of beer (but then I'm right off alcohol until the antibiotics are gone).

And I can play my concertina, for a little while at least. Result!!!!

On the wider issue, don't take me too literally. Dogs, like gunpowder and nuclear power, are morally neutral. It's what you do with them that is either good or bad.

I am gradually building up a picture of the dog owner, based on odd comments I have heard. He is a different sort of person from your average folkie Mudcatter, makes his income from renting out properties, is generally regarded as a bullshit merchant and obviously doesn't mind making enemies. He lives in a big house behind a shingle drive and an agressive dog, and I think I pity him because I don't have to do that.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: goatfell
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 11:00 AM

it's the dogs that lick their own arses and gentials and then after the cover their tongue with shit, they lick their owners faces, and then their owners faces and mouths are covered in dog crap come and give their firends a kiss or a cuddle, smearing you with dog crap.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Becca72
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 11:02 AM

As a child I was bitten in the face by my neighbor's white German Shepard. That incident did not cause me to hate dogs.
As a teen I had a dachshund/shepard mix (yup, you read that correctly). I got home from school one day and my sister started screaming at me that MY dog had bitten HER son. My first question was "what did he do to MY dog?". Turns out, he'd been trying to pick her up by her tail and had hurt her. My nephew was at fault, not the dog. It's not like she could say "hey, dude, that hurts." He was taught to treat the dog with respect and it didn't happen again.

You are also more likely to be bitten by a small breed (poms, peekapoos, etc) then you are by a large dog, the large dog just does more damage and gets more headlines.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: goatfell
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 11:02 AM

no you are....?

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 11:07 AM

That's good news about your fingers and grip. I hope the straightening and the arm strength will return in time. Have you asked for physical therapy? I understand that when an arm or leg has been in a cast or sling, it needs a little PT to restore its strength.

I think 'the average folkie Mudcatter' understands that in your first post, where you said you hate dogs, you were merely venting. You hurt, you were worried that your playing ability was damaged, you were miserable, you were traumatized, and you needed to let off some steam.

I want to be fair to dogs, but I will never change my opinion that Weimaraner's are any ugly color and have creepy, pale eyes.

One final thought - when you go for a stroll take a stout cane or walking stick along in case you encounter that dog again.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: jeddy
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 11:19 AM

that is great news g-force i hope your arm gets full use back very soon. i too understand you were venting your frustration and i am glad that it hasn't given you a phobia of all dogs.
taking a cane or something isn't a bad idea.

take care

jade x x

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: olddude
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 11:39 AM

He is a different sort of person from your average folkie Mudcatter, makes his income from renting out properties, is generally regarded as a bullshit merchant and obviously doesn't mind making enemies

interesting, do you generalize all people? how about, black people, and Irish people and Asian people and the list goes on. or do you just generalize people who own dogs ?

sorry you got bitten but i think I understand why. I have little compassion for someone who likes to generalize others. I have been bitten by dogs, scratched by cats, even attacked once by a black bear. never once thought of making a general statement about other people because of it. I hope you feel better, I am done talking to you for sure

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: GUEST,Big Norman Voice
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 12:36 PM

Some people shouldn't have dogs, usually it's the same people as shouldn't have children.
Folks who anthropomorphise pets, should be automatically disqualified from owning them too.
It's a dog, it's a cat, you're a human being (allegedly). HTF can you be it's Mommy or Daddy?

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: jeddy
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 01:09 PM

ah big norm, i think you need to chill abit.

our dogs are still dogs, they know who is boss but that doesn't mean they can't be our babies too, we love them loads, but they know their place... usually under the duvet!!

they look to us to look after them so why shouldn't we see them as our children as well? i think dogs have the intelligence of 3 year old kids, ours say yes and no and one of them even eats his painkillers if he thinks he needs them, i have to chuck them down his throat if he doesn't.

take care all

jade x x

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: GUEST,Balto
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 02:33 PM

We don't like you either.
                   Woof

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: GUEST,Big Norman Voice
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 02:40 PM

That's another filthy habit, allowing dogs on, and in one's bed. How disgusting and unhygienic.
Lyme's disease, and toxicara canis are just two of the things you can catch by doing that.
Mind you, most dog owners are already blind in respect of their pet, so they might as well be physically blind, as well.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 02:49 PM

"same people as shouldn't have children."
there again there are parents who should never have had the child they did have. I'm sure your parents are very lovely people 'Norman' but whatever did they do to deserve you?

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 02:52 PM

Most of the dogs I know are a lot friendlier than most of the people I know!

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 02:52 PM

I have not seen Big Norm until very recently, and I note he posts as GUEST (albeit apparently consistently).

Tell us about yourself a bit, Norm.

By the way, all of us do some unhygenic things in bed, if we get lucky.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 03:00 PM

Hell, I've seen people who love their dog so much that they not only let it sleep in their bed, but they'd probably MARRY the dog if it was legal to do so! ;-)

Personally, I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to...as long as it can be proven without a doubt that the dog fully understands the arrangement and gives consent to it. The dog could bark at the wedding when the vows are taken to say "I do"...and could wear a ring through its nose or perhaps on one ear.

This is one area of civil rights and equality that you DON'T see the most ardent liberals and progressives on this forum defending, and I think it's a disgrace. They should be ashamed of their blatant bigotry and prejudice. After all....THEY don't have to marry the dog, do they? And how does it affect THEIR own marriage if someone else marries a dog? Shame on them, I say! Shame! (Heh! Heh!)

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: jeddy
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 03:08 PM

i wondered where i have been going wrong in bed!!!

lymes desease i thought was from ticks, you do know that walking through long grass and fields is where you get them from? your legs are just as likely to attract them as dogs. so all those who live with ramblers should check them over for ticks before allowing them into beds.

oh and boys, don't tell me you aren't jealous that dogs can lick their own bits, no wonder they are always grinning!!

jade x x

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 03:09 PM

There's just nothing on Earth more cheerful than a dog who is licking his own bits...

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 03:31 PM

In Virginia if you need medical treatment following a dog bite, then doctor or hospital are required to ask about the animal and submit a report to police or animal warden.

In the case of my youngest child, the attacking dog (a jack russell) belonged to a police officer who went with us to hospital. Hospital staff said if he could produce up to date rabies vaccination record then they needn't do a report. He promised to pay for insurance deductible for emergency room visit, but never did.

I have been attacked by poodle who had recently had pups and frightened nearly to death by a German Shepherd (Alsatian).

I have had cat scratch fever from a cat attack and my god I was so so sick for months.   I was hunched over like a question mark for weeks with joint pain.

Still prefer cats to dogs. I like both, but kitties are my favourite.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 03:48 PM

Hey, G-force...my Dachshund would be happy to pee on your lawn if it helps drive away the foxes. He is willing to do his bit, yes, and he IS male. I also think that you and he can bond very nicely over your mutual hatred for Weimaraners. If you offer him some sausages he will be your friend for life....or at least until the food runs out.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 04:44 PM

Anybody told Pat about the Weimaraner dislike society?

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 04:59 PM

A dachshund/shepherd cross? I am trying to visualize it. :) I did once see a collie/basset hound cross- 'twarn't purty.

Thoreau recommended a method of defusing a strange dog's aggression that I have used successfully a number of times: Call it to you, enthusiastically and loudly.

As he said, the dog has no reason to obey a stranger.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 05:01 PM

Yes, I've done that. It confuses them and they back off.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 06:07 PM

Ladders.

Or stilts.

Or maybe parascending.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 07:11 PM

Try a New York cut Steak. It's always worked for me.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 08:08 PM

My dog, Tamar, was trained excellently--pardon me for saying so. She'd do all the normal stuff people train their dogs to do, but she walked at heel unless I gave her permission to range ahead. She would allow ANYone to put their hands in her food dish while she ate. Taught her to back up and sit down. She eventually learned hand signals--that is, if I pointed she lie down, sit or if necessary, attack. She understood the word gentle and protect with children or basically anyone. Best dog I ever had. Early in our relationship she growled at me. I drove her between the eyes and when she got up we had a very good understanding of what was what. When she was around kids, and if they bothered her, she'd go someplace the kids couldn't get to and take a nap.

When I first got her she'd been very badly treated by the people who had her. They'd broken one of her ears and snapped a piece of her tail, so as a show dog, she was out of the running. Her pedigree was such that if she'd been a human she'd never have talked with me. Her father was a big sonuvabitch [:-)] and her mother was the most beautiful GS I've ever seen, bar none.

I kept her for a few years and I'm glad I did. One evening I had a few too many and she came into the lake after me. Swimming wasn't her thing, but she came anyway. She once attacked another dog because the dog growled at me. It was a GS/Collie cross. I knew the dog and he had a shit disposition. Tamar had him by the throat in nothin' flat. She dragged him around until she could see me and it was clear in her eyes that she was asking whether to dispatch the s.o.b. or let him go.

On the other hand, I once had a mutt whom I had 'rescued' from a life of constant pregnancy. No one took care of her in the place I was living at the time. I got her spayed and she was with my family for two or so years. One day when my daughter--about 7 months old at the time--was crawling around the floor the dog growled at her and bared her teeth when my daughter approached her food dish. Sorry folks, but I will tolerate no dog that growls at kids, regardless the reason. I called the dog, took my .22 and was leaving to take her to the dump. A teaching colleague saw me and asked where 'we' were going. I replied, "The dump." She said, "My father is looking for a dog. Could I give her to him?" The dog got a reprieve and that's kinda the end of it.

Dogs, horses, cats (and many other domesticated creatures) have helped us, worked for us and basically done their share of the work, whether it be killing mice, defending us, tilling our fields, herding our livestock or improving the quality of our lives by simply being our friends. I know Tamar certainly was a friend to me. That is one dog I will never forget: sense of humour, loyalty, kindness, brains and guts.

We get qualities back from most creatuures we befriend. And as has been said a few times on this thread, SO much is the responsibility of the owner(s). I will never have a dog around me that I do not trust. But then, we aslo have to offer guidance and training to the 'pets' we befriend. To do less does them and those around us a disservice.

I hope no one interprets this as a lecture. It ain't meant to be. It's just the way I see things.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 08:38 PM

I like dogs. I find them best when deep fried with a nice green chili salsa for dipping.

For many years I was the chief dog catcher in Anchorage. In that capacity I was bitten over 100 times by a wide variety of different breeds. Whenever I was bitten, I made sure to impound the beast for at least 10 days quarantine to be sure it didn't have rabies, I issued as many citations to the irresponsible owner as I could, and I imposed severe confinement requirements for the miscreant for the rest of its unnatural life. I usually took a few paid sickleave days as well.

Best wishes,
Mike

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: jeddy
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 10:08 PM

bruce i am with you thogugh we don't have kids round the dogs.

even when we move them in their sleep, if they grumble at us they are straight on their backs with a very unhappy mummy in their face.

with one of them we play eat his whiskers, that is the only time he is allowed to growl and show his teeth, mockingly aggressively, we know he isn't serious because he licks us at the same time. as far as i know he has only nipped twice once was when a kid stood on his tail, he moved very qiuckly but i don't think he got the kid, the second was when they were all tied up in a big EMPTY square, a man decided to walk as close as possible so he nipped his hand, very funny considering the man did it as a wind up, he has learnt his lesson that dogs are to be respected.

this doesn't paint me in a very good light i know but if they have behaved badly without reason, they are severly told off.

take care all

jade x x x

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 02:11 AM

I have had a lifetime of Weimaraners, often two or more at a time. They are very intelligent and were bred to be not just hunters but companions. They've often been referred to as a dog with the human brain. They make excellent service dogs as well as being great for nursing home visits. But like with any, its all in the training. Weims just really want to please you though so its a bit easier with them. Loyal to a fault, their need for human interaction is so strong that many (most really) suffer from separation anxiety which is easily fixed if you just take them along everywhere you go.......and I generally do. Having more than one eases this problem as well.

The old hound laying on my feet as I type has lived longer than most Weims do already but even with all her problems of aging, she's still a happy girl. Almost blind now and about totally deaf, she still recognizes that Tim Horton's bag that holds her Apple Fritter. And whenever she can she steals my Tim's coffee as well. A very happy old pup........When that ceases I will do right by her. She and her mate Jaeger were the finest Weims I ever shared life with and Sissy will sadly but probably be my last. I could never find better.

Most dog problems as has been stated are really owner problems. We play games with puppies that seem to be fun but sometimes are teaching the pup all the wrong things. I suggest anyone with any interest in having well trained dogs that are a pleasure to take along anywhere become familiar with the methods of the Monks of New Skete:

***How to Be Your Dog's Best Friend: The Classic Training Manual for Dog Owners (Revised & Updated Edition), The Monks of New Skete, Little, Brown and Company, September, 2002, ISBN 0316610003
***The Art of Raising a Puppy, The Monks of New Skete, Little, Brown and Company, March 20, 1991, ISBN 0316578398
***Divine Canine: The Monks' Way to a Happy, Obedient Dog, The Monks of New Skete, Hyperion, September 18, 2007, ISBN 1401309259
***I & Dog, The Monks of New Skete, John Sann, and Monique Stauder (Photographer), Yorkville Press, November 3, 2003, ISBN 0972942734


Spaw

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Peace
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 02:16 AM

Well
said,Spaw.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 03:59 AM

That's a good point about games, Spaw.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Acorn4
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 03:10 PM

I agree with the posters who've said it's the small dogs that are the most problem. I would group these under the heading of "ratweilers".

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: gnu
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 03:36 PM

"ratweilers"... hahahahaa... good one.

Puppies and owners who lack knowledge. Yup... so easy to teach a puppy how to be a dog. So hard to teach owners how to teach puppies. Such a shame for the poor puppies.

I really don't know why such a simple task cannot be taught to human pups in grade school.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 09:24 PM

I am beginning to think the problem is not even the owners but the lack of law enforcement. mg

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: goatfell
Date: 11 Jul 09 - 04:12 AM

and another thing is why is it that dog owners always say to their dogs 'come to your MUMMY OR COME TO DADDY' and when they visit their friends house and their friend has a dog and start sniffing their crouch, their friend says' yes it must smell my dog' the mind wonders...

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Peace
Date: 11 Jul 09 - 06:45 AM

Good
idea.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Jul 09 - 08:41 AM

Goatfell, its because dogs are sexual role models for many humans although most humans are simply envious of what dogs do. For instance, do you know why a dog licks it's balls? Because it can! And think how great the world would be if you could whiff the crotch of anyone you chose! Or what about some wild passionate sex anywhere and anytime the spirit moved you? Well, except for the part where someone threw a bucket of cold water on your ass...............

Anyway, just think about it.

Spaw

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: G-Force
Date: 11 Jul 09 - 10:22 AM

Blimey, how my moods are going up and down ...

The arm gets gradually better, I can play 'tina for about 15 minutes before it stiffens up too much, and I feel like going out and hugging a dog.

Olddude practically calls me a racist and I feel right down again, so I feel like nominating a pile of dead dogs for the 4th plinth.

Guest mg: 'lack of law enforcement'. Quite. I now hear (from the postman) that the Post Office complained about this dog about a year ago and there was supposed to be a court case. Obviously nothing happened, so doggie lives to bite again. And presumably again. Unfortunately to enforce a law you have to have proof. In the absence of witnesses, the word of a shocked and exhausted victim wouldn't carry much weight in a court of law when it comes to actually identifying the dog.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Maryrrf
Date: 11 Jul 09 - 10:32 AM

G-Force, I didn't see anything racist about your remark. You made no reference to race at all.   I'd be ticked off too by somebody who had a dog that was prone to bite and didn't keep it under control at all times. I think we all realize that your "I hate dogs" comment was just venting - understandable as you were shaken up and in pain. I'm very fond of dogs - but not when they bite!

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh
Date: 14 Jul 09 - 06:31 AM

On a lengthy list of local bye-laws, after some clauses about dog-owners being obliged to lift their dogs' dung in plastic bags and deposit it somewhere hygenically, I noticed that exceptions were made for Guide-Dogs for the Blind. This set me wondering. Are such dogs trained to defecate only "at home"? Actually, my first thought was, "are blind/visually impaired people able to locate any dung by smell, or touch, since they obviously can't see exactly where their Guide-Dog has performed?" It would certainly be a bit odd for a blind person, complete with Guide-Dog, to be accompanied by a sighted companion whose specific purpose was to be a shit-lifter...

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: goatfell
Date: 14 Jul 09 - 09:35 AM

I like dogs it's some of the dogs owners that I can't stand

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Maryrrf
Date: 14 Jul 09 - 09:58 AM

I can see why they would make an exception for guide dogs. It would be difficult for a blind person to clean up after the dog. And there aren't usually a huge number of them around, so it wouldn't be such a big deal.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Jul 09 - 10:06 AM

The blind man's seeing eye dog pissed on the blind man's shoe.
The blind man said "Here Rover, here's a piece of beef for you."
His wife said "Don't reward him, you can't just let that pass."
The blind man said "I gotta find his mouth"
"So I can kick him in the ass."

................PHC Movie



Spaw

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: olddude
Date: 14 Jul 09 - 12:34 PM

G-Force,
this old dude does apologize, I do get a bit spirited at times and I do understand your frustration about being bitten, that is no fun ..
I am glad you are feeling better.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 14 Jul 09 - 01:27 PM

Olddude, you are an okay guy.

So, G-force, you are having quite the ordeal. Have you given any thought to what special treats you will give yourself to make up for it?

When a child is sick or hurt, people give presents or take it on nice outings to make up for it. You are no longer a child, and you must take responsibility for giving yourself your own treats. (Joke!)

Are there any butterfly houses in your country? Perhaps a visit to a butterfly house, followed by a nice meal in a special restaurant. When you are feeling up to it, of course.

I'm glad to hear you can play music again.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Jul 09 - 06:00 PM

No treats unless he can self-stack, course and point, retrieve, and come to heel.

Spaw

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jul 09 - 07:18 PM

I saw today an example of a person hating dogs that moved me to wish violence upon a woman.

BG were in a pub and the landlady has a wholly adorable boxer (mostly red) that is regrettably deaf - but has not an ounce of vice in it.

Obviously the dog is used to pub customers feeding it crisps and so on.

It was "working the room" (for this purpose, and indeed much to the delight of most customers who were making a fuss of it) and approached the woman in question. She reached for her small handbag - an almost dead ringer for a crisp packet - and the dog put its head forward expecting a treat. She started yelling and violently pushing the dog away and hit it on the head (fortunately not hard) twice.

The look in the dog's eyes was simply tragic.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Maryrrf
Date: 14 Jul 09 - 07:24 PM

It probably isn't good for the dog to have crisps, but I felt sad thinking of the poor fellow being treated like that.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: G-Force
Date: 15 Jul 09 - 08:00 AM

Thanks olddude, you just made my day.

I guess I'm OK now, although the arm is still a bit uncomfortable and I get bouts of tiredness hit me unexpectedly.

Me and my good lady (who was almost as traumatised as I was, and has been running around after me, driving me to the hospital 5 times so far) have been planning just the kind of treats you've all been mentioning.

I think this thread has run its course now, I probably won't post again.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 16 Jul 09 - 02:00 PM

Put this in writing and give copies to the paper, and the mayor and the Post Office.

The first person will probably not get a response. The second they might notice. It will be the third one that starts to get results. You never know where you are in the line so report each and every thing.

And I don't agree that dogs who bite should be controlled. I think they either should be in a paid kennel, where owners can visit and security is water-tight, or they should have operations that make them forever docile, or they should be put down. Period. mg

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: goatfell
Date: 17 Jul 09 - 12:17 PM

Here is a snipit from a local paper for an island of the west coast of Scotland called Arran, and the island of the Arran Coast.
your respniable dog owner.
Dog kills rare sheep on Holy Isle
Report by Howard Driver
Published: 17 July, 2009
A rare breed sheep has been killed on Holy Isle by a dog from a private boat.

Holy Isle is a spiritual retreat centre owned by the Budhhists of Samye Ling, Eskdalemuir, and dogs are expressly forbidden ashore on the island.

Local administrator Adam Rose said: 'Visitors from a private boat brought a dog onto the island, lost control of it and it chased one of the wild Soay sheep into the sea and drowned it.

'It was horrible. A lot of other sheep scattered and disappeared and the owners finally restrained the dog. It was an Old English sheepdog and just a puppy, but he was an urban dog and probably not used to sheep.

'I know that a farmer would simply have shot the dog.

'We very much welcome day visitors and had more than 1,000 on the island last year. But to help us protect our rare wildlife and to respect the Holy Isle as a spiritual retreat we ask visitors not to bring dogs ashore.'

Tom Sheldon runs the Holy Isle ferry from Lamlash pier. He said: 'I know the people in that boat. They are regulars and they can be quite arrogant. No-one would get on board my ferry with a dog. The animals over there are just not used to dogs.'

Adam added: 'The issue is basically with people who come to Holy Isle with private boats. Our retreat leader Lama Yeshe has done a lot to open up the island to the public. We meet every boat that comes to the jetty and welcome them to our spiritual retreat.

'I will be writing a letter to every yacht club and marina on the Clyde to inform them that dogs are not allowed ashore here.'

Last year two dogs were shot by a Northend farmer after worrying sheep in Sannox.

Two months ago the Banner reported on a case of six sheep being killed by a pet dog in a field at Springbank, Brodick.