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18th century work songs?

GUEST 15 Jul 09 - 10:26 PM
Steve Gardham 16 Jul 09 - 01:54 PM
GUEST,John D. 17 Jul 09 - 06:04 PM
Little Robyn 17 Jul 09 - 06:44 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 17 Jul 09 - 08:40 PM
GUEST,Neil D 17 Jul 09 - 11:54 PM
An Buachaill Caol Dubh 18 Jul 09 - 10:34 AM
Steve Gardham 18 Jul 09 - 02:21 PM
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Subject: 18th century work songs?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jul 09 - 10:26 PM

I am working at a living history museum in Virginia, and out year is 1771. Our site being a farm, we are working in the fields a lot, and it would be good to have some work songs, however, I have not been able to find any.
Does anyone know any 18th century work songs (anglo-american is probably the safest bet culturally)?


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Subject: RE: 18th century work songs?
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 16 Jul 09 - 01:54 PM

Highly unlikely, GUEST.
We didn't start recording work songs like shanties and field hollers until the late 19thc; songs about agricultural work, yes plenty. It would be difficult nowadays to ascertain whether any of those dating back to 1771 were actually sung though, especially American as little collecting was done till Sharp came along in the early 20thc.


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Subject: RE: 18th century work songs?
From: GUEST,John D.
Date: 17 Jul 09 - 06:04 PM

Thank you very much anyway.


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Subject: RE: 18th century work songs?
From: Little Robyn
Date: 17 Jul 09 - 06:44 PM

But the songs C Sharp collected were often 'folked' versions of much earlier British songs that were brought over with the early settlers.
Look through his work, find a song that would suit your purpose, check here for the provenance and if it can be traced back to pre-1800 then use it!
Good luck.
Robyn


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Subject: RE: 18th century work songs?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Jul 09 - 08:40 PM

How much do Sharp's collections mirror songs sung in America in the 18th c.? Most probably were brought over in the 19th c. waves of immigration or came from the ubiquitous song sheets, printed on both sides of the Atlantic, but which included material from much before their time of printing.

Work songs were seldom collected in any case.


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Subject: RE: 18th century work songs?
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 17 Jul 09 - 11:54 PM

Try googling 18th century work songs. There are a couple interesting articles.


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Subject: RE: 18th century work songs?
From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh
Date: 18 Jul 09 - 10:34 AM

On the (fairly safe?)assumption that at least some immigrants were Scottish, you might try "The Scots Musical Museum" (six volumes, 1787-1803, volumes two, three, four and five edited largely by Robert Burns) to see if there are any likely choices; there's a twentieth-century reprint. From 1769 and 1776 there's David Herd's "Ancient and Modern Scotish Songs", which might yield something, and Hans Hecht's "Songs from David Herd's Manuscripts", published c.1900. Although the title of Allan Ramsay's "Tea-Table Miscellany", 1724 and often reprinted, indicates that many of the songs therein were (as he put it) written by some "ingenious young gentlemen" of his acquaintance as well as himself, you might find something suitable. Only the SMM has music, though I think Ramsay's book at least gives titles of airs. Good luck.


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Subject: RE: 18th century work songs?
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 18 Jul 09 - 02:21 PM

Rethink
Hmmm! Virginia 1771. Surely many of the slave songs were work songs from which the later songs developed. Don't forget many of the slaves were also white folk especially pre-1750. I have some 18th century songs about white slavery in Virginia if they are of use, not actual work songs as such.


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