BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 07:15 PM

Yeah. It's like summer camp but with ambiance.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 06:13 PM

Nice pics Peace, are you going there again next year?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 06:09 PM

And you were right, SPB, as was your post.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 05:33 PM

I thought I was being civilised

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 05:15 PM

Oh, yeah.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 05:05 PM

I agree with Smokey.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 04:35 PM

Hmm.. good job we have religion to keep us all civilised.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 04:29 PM

I've an idea that more than a few wouldn't mind the USA being a "Christian Right" totalitarian theocracy

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 04:20 PM

Contrariwise, Iran is a totalitarian theocracy, and many do categorise the "Christian Right" in the US as hateful warmongering sexist homophobic fascist crusader bastards.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 04:17 PM

or even the vast majority of Muslims are nice people.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 03:31 PM

Or to put it another way, there is a big difference between fact and opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Royston
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 02:45 PM

Stringsinger: Whenever there is a totalitarian theocracy threatening insecure people

I'm not taking a pop at you but I would like to "freeze-frame" at this point because it would be very useful to deconstruct that statement.

You are a liberal-minded poster and obviously not a BNP sympathiser so it's important to step outside of the conversation for a moment and ask yourself why you might feel that Islam, or Muslims, constitute an organised institution (such as a totalitarian theocracy) that might threaten people. Can you identify any evidence for that particular belief or perception?

You see it's a right-wing tactic to propagate low-level scare stories and misinformation that has exactly the effect of leading even the most decent people to believe that they know a thing to be true, when in fact it is not.

When people restate their assumptions about Muslims or Islam, they often realise that of a group of 1.2bn human beings, all the assumptions held tend to come from the constant media insinuations of Taleban, bin Laden, Abu Hamsa, Ahmedinejad and the Iranian Revolutionary council of 12 clerics.

George W. Bush invaded Iraq, with all its consequences, because God told him to (GWB actually said this to Jacques Chirac in an official, minuted meeting and you can read about it in Chirac's memoirs) but Christian's aren't painted as warmongers. 12 individual Muslims on 11/9/2001 killed one hundredth (3,000 dead) of GWB's death-toll (about 300,000 on the lowest estimates) and yet those 12 lunatics somehow managed to seal the fate of the other 1.2bn Muslims in the eyes of some observers?

In the face of a poisonous media that hungers for the extremes of all things and has no interest in normal, mundane or average, one has to be very careful about realising the difference between what one is told and what one actually *knows* to be true.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Stringsinger
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 11:54 AM

The big obstacle to keep the BNP supporters from rallying is the under-the-surface
reaction to Islam.

This is probably what is fueling this reaction.

Whenever there is a totalitarian theocracy threatening insecure people who have their own
equally rigid theocratic views, you have a BNP.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: jeddy
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 08:29 PM

x x x x x :0) x x x x x

take care all

me x x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 08:05 PM

I know, Jeddy. I will never forget waht you wrote me. I do know you're on the side of the angels.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: jeddy
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 08:04 PM

got you!!!!! just didn't know where that was coming from.

why is it you always assume i am being bossy peace? you should know better than that!?

jade x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 07:59 PM

BTW, Jeddy, the cross-dress remark was relative. It was for Sam and his 'wife'. She wears the pants and he wears the dress

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 07:58 PM

"please keep ypur insults either funny or relative."

Yes ma'am, whatever you say, ma'am.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 07:56 PM

Hi, Helen. Lose your cookie? Vile? Lady, I haven't tapped the spring of vile. Get back to your bottle and leave decent people alone.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: jeddy
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 07:55 PM

i like the farts insult, but what has cross dressing to do with having no brain? please keep ypur insults either funny or relative.

cheers

take care all


jade x x x

ps my network has been out for a day so i haye yet to catch up properly, i will don't worry x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 07:47 PM

I have seen my nephews angered by racist remarks, hurt by them. If the BNP thinks racism isn't everyone's business to destroy, guess again. I am not going to say "Fuck the BNP"; instead, allow me to tell them something similar in little words: You are cowards; mostly wankers with a few wankerettes; you suck farts from dead seagulls; you are tripe, and you cross-dress. There. Didn't tell them to get fucked once.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 04:02 PM

400

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 03:59 PM

That's a lovly song, Smokey, I have a vinyl copy of I Want To See The Bright Lights Tonight. I had to buy it on CD to prevent wearing out the recording

I do believe thems in The Great Valerio describe many of us who fight the good fight.

Thanks!

Charlotte OLivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 03:52 PM

"It's a difficult tight rope walk sometimes, but I wouldn't have it any other way."

A beautiful and oft misunderstood song about tightropes.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 03:07 PM

I embrace two worlds, native (Mohawk) and white (Scots and Welsh) It's a difficult tight rope walk sometimes, but I wouldn't have it any other way.

Smokey, some people, like you, want to be educated, and others I reserve this saying for:

"If ignorance truly is bliss you must be positively orgasmic."

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 02:51 PM

I doubt our guest has the capacity to appreciate your links, Ollie, but I do. Thanks for the education.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 02:46 PM

Jade and you just keep on saying it, you can't say it too many times!

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
really uppity "Indian" chick

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: jeddy
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 02:38 PM

i still don't understand the question but i will answer to it none the less, and if it wasn't what you were asking...sorry. i can't even remember, who started this subject, brain malfunction again!!

i believe in being one peoples in different areas of the world. we speak diffwerent tongues, we have different types of skin, different religions. etc. BUT we ALL want the same things.

to live in peace and without fear.
to have a roof over our heads whether it be a tent or a house.
to have our children grow up to know right from wrong.
to have them grow up in the best way possible.
to be happy and carefree as much as possible.
to have friends and family to rely on, if the need arises.


the differences should be noticed and learnt from. but it should make no difference on how we interact with one another.

lisa, shelly and 'sam' will never know the peace of mind we seek for ourselves and others.
they are too hate filled to see the good in the world, the little things that bring us all together. as much as i hate what they are all for, i can't help but pity them, for they are the ones who are truely missing out on a wonderful world.

take care all (it is not something i just say, i mean it, every time)!!!

jade x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 02:36 PM

"42000 Canadians"
Lisa or whoever you are, I suggest you watch This and read Prince of the Brigade then tell us ALL about how Peace and other Canadians (including me) have nothing to do with the fighting the evil that is the face of the BNP and those other fascist organisations and their lackies/toadies.hangers-on

Stand and be Counted,

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
really uppity "Indian" chick

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 02:21 PM

Lisa, or whoever you may be - 42000 Canadians died fighting fascism in the second world war. They must be turning in their graves to see one of their own being slagged off for standing up (and being counted) to this mindless filth you are helping to propagate.
Peace has earned his place on this planet a thousand times over by virtue of the contribution of his creative skills. You, however, have proved you are not even worthy of the oxygen you consume. Take your nasty little games elsewhere, or, as a great poet once said - fuck off.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 12:07 PM

"You could start by concerning yourself with the politics of your own country Bruce and allow the British to do likewise !"
- GUEST,Lisa

Lisa the only REAL problem in The UK is the BNP and it's lackies/toadies/hangers-on, BUT racism is worldwide epidemic that needs to be met with a united front, no matter where you live or are from, so your sorry, parochial excuse holds no water, mind you the fact that you only posted as a guest means you have no standing within the Mudcat community, therefore your 'opinions' are quite worthless.

Stand and Be Counted!

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
REALLY uppity "Indian" chick

PS GUEST hardy AND guest lisa...geez, busy little sod aren't you?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 06:43 AM

In my view we should celebrate how differences between cultures, life experiences etc enrich us as a society, accepting the right to be different and not trying to impose a single homogenised version of what a society should be, be-it through eugenics-based far right ideology, or the extreme centralisation-based ideologies of the far left, or even the monetarist ideologies where cultures are more and more shaped by corporation like McDonalds and Tescos which, in my opinion does more damage to cultural identities around the world than migration ever will.

it may sound simplistic, but truths generally are, and an inescapable truth is that the foundation of any society should be based on people being nice to each other, and if people held that truth in their hearts, then it would become impossible for the hate-mongers to divide cultures. Without that division the hate-mongers can never thrive.

There are problems in the world: climate, hunger, disease the fact that we live on a planet which can be pretty hostile to humans - but humans are resilient, and great adapters. If humanity put as much energy into co-operation and creativity to overcome the problems as it does into fueling hate and paranoia then so much more can be achieved.

Any way that is my bud' hodne (be nice) speech. After that back to scrutinising hate-mongers and countering their divisiveness.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 06:27 AM

We know what Lisa has been doing: she's been helping the inner circle of her friends to set up fake fakebook accounts.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 08:41 PM

OH, one more thing. YOU must be the Lisa referred to by some asshole or other about three weeks back. Where the heck have you been? Out beating up people? You off the bottle yet?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 08:38 PM

PS Anyone with the mental accuity of a ten year old--beyond you when you hit the bottle--would be aware of history. The world tried once before to ignore Nazi scum. It didn't work then and it won't work now. Telling me to 'mind my business: piss on you. You and your sleazy friends hardly ran as folks I'd listen to. So save your breath. Ta ta.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 08:33 PM

Dear Guest, lisa--what a surprise you're a guest: Get fucked.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: GUEST,Lisa
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 08:31 PM

You could start by concerning yourself with the politics of your own country Bruce and allow the British to do likewise !

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 08:20 PM

"Sorry, I'm baffled."

What can we do to help?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 08:08 PM

Is it?

Are we still in Kansas?

Sorry, I'm baffled.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 07:21 PM

The question is your reaction to a person.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 05:53 PM

How many letters?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 04:39 PM

Is the issue what you first have regard to?

To which issue are you referring, and to whom?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Gervase
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 04:19 PM

I've PM'd BNPGeorge too, to ask her some questions about the political party she wants to represent. She's not replied, though.
Because of that, I can only assume that she is racist. If she wasn't she wouldn't last very long in the BNP before coming to her senses.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: jeddy
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 04:12 PM

richard,
could you put that into something tht would make sense to someone having a really thick day please?

i read it, twice three times and my brain comes up with... eh??? LOL

thanks

jade x x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 04:09 PM

there is a difference between recognising(?) the diffrences between us and using them for points of hatred or fear.

Exactly my point. See them, celebrate them, learn from them. They are a good thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 04:04 PM

Is the issue what you first have regard to?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: jeddy
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 04:00 PM

cultural differences i understand celebrating, it is what makes us proud of where we come from and has different values.

sorry i read you wrong smokey, i am in a bad mood, nothing to do with anything here, but i think it affected how i read stuff.

there is a difference between recognising(?) the diffrences between us and using them for points of hatred or fear.

take care all

jade x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 03:54 PM

I'm referring to physical and cultural differences by the way - political extremism is another kettle of fish altogether..

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 03:38 PM

You're perfectly clear Jeddy, I was more padding out what you said than arguing with it. The differences in people won't go away though, and I think it's better to acknowledge them and regard them as positive rather than negative. To 'stop seeing' them is not the way forward, in my opinion; it implies they are negative.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: jeddy
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 02:37 PM

ok, maybe i didn't express myself very well earlier . to be honest i am not sure i will this time either, but here goes.

what i meant was we should stop seeing the differences between everyone, like skin colour, disabilities, gay or straight blonde brunnette, stuff like that. none of these things matter, it is what is inside a persons heart that counts(and i don't mean having a pace maker).
we all have individual personalities and because of this i have learnt alot about myself.
if we all thought the same way about everything, we would never get to see things in a different light and we would stagnate.

do you know what i mean? maybe if i haven't made it clear by now, i should stop digging?

take care all

jade x x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 02:03 PM

I'm inclined to think we should celebrate the differences in people and try to learn from them, rather than use them to make unreasonable judgements.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: jeddy
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 10:30 AM

i would think that is how THEY would see them. i would call them nightmares. my ideals would be where we stoopped seeing the differences in people ans concentrated on similarities, but we can all dream unfortunately.what we are working towards is so worth the effort for everyone, but there will always be those who wish to detroy unity. just to make themselves feel important

take care all

jade x x x

another PS, the live webcams of shrewsbury f.f. are well worth watching x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 09:47 AM

I don't think I recognise the words "ideals" and BNP" in the same sentence.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: jeddy
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 07:09 AM

you also know my feelings towards this horrible group of people, but i also think there are degrees of nastiness and for different reasons.
some we can help get over their reasons with being patient and trying to help, the hardcore however, we cannot and would not be able to get through to. i will always speak out against predjudice, but blind hatred of those whos ideals we dissagree with is not the answer, doesn't it make you feel nearly as bad as those we oppose?, it does me.
hatred it a very distructive thing, it eats at your soul until you cannot see reason and i am fucked if i will let this happen to me.

take care all

jade x x x x

PS could you stop using big names and words please, i can't even pronounce them, let alone understand them.. thanks :0) x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 09:55 PM

I'll second that, Azizi.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Emma B
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 09:44 PM

I think I have gone on record too as stating my feelings about the people who have posted hate and abuse here.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Azizi
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 09:41 PM

It certainly seems to me that the members and supporters of the BNP are the ones on this forum who are talking hate and who are engaging in hateful acts both on-line and off-line.

And I, for one, will go on record to say that I definitely hate what that group says, what that group does, and what that group has indicated it would do were it to succeed in its stated goals.

Furthermore, I met Martin Luther King, Jr., and I know that I'm not now nor will I ever be as pacificist and as forgiving as he was.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 09:31 PM

Sorry, sometimes I'm just an awkward pedantic git as well :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 09:23 PM

I have the capacity to forgive, and consequently the choice whether to use it or not. Love, however, seems to have a mind of its own, and hating one's enemy is by no means the most effective way of beating them.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Emma B
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 09:09 PM

The actions of any person impacts how others view that person.

We are indeed what we do

Anyone is free to do as they will but 'not in my name'

"We must develop and maintain the capacity to forgive.
He who is devoid of the power to forgive is devoid of the power to love.
There is some good in the worst of us and some evil in the best of us.
When we discover this, we are less prone to hate our enemies."

Martin Luther King, jr

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Azizi
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 08:32 PM

The policies and actions of any group that a person affiliates herself or himself with impacts how others view that person.

It should come as no surprise that people who suppport multi-culturalism and equal rights under the law for all would have very serious issues with the BNP political party which is anathema to those positions.

A song that is the subject of a current Mudcat thread addresses the reality that what a person associates him or herself with with, and what that person does in his or her life speaks volumes about that person:

SPEAK FOR ME
May the work I have done speak for me.
May the work I have done speak for me.
If I fall short of my goal
Someone else will take a hold
May the work I have done speak for me.

Children I've helped raise
Students I have taught
Songs I have sung
Friends I have made
Rights I have won
Votes I have cast
Love I have shared
Land I have loved

thread.cfm?threadid=8945&messages=10#57234

**

I am not focusing on George. But she decided to put on those BNP shoes. And she must feel that those shoes fit, since she continues to wear them.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 08:14 PM

There are no good excuses for joining the BNP (other than to infiltrate and rot them from within, which I fully expect is already happening both officially and unofficially). They make no secret of their racist (etc.) ideals, which no decent person with the merest glimmer of social awareness could possibly condone.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 07:58 PM

"You are nothing like your name. At least I manage not to use foul language."

No, you don't. You simply belong to a racist nazi party that would use genocide, and were you to 'take over the world' you'd kill over half the people I know because of disabilities, skin colour, religious belief or any other made-up excuse you can dream of. I may be foul, but I'm not filthy. Have a good look at yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: jeddy
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 07:53 PM

like is aid she must have her own reasons, it just seems to me that whenever george is mentioned we all go abit mad. i know we all feel strongly about this but some understanding is required. she told me that to reply to everyones questions would take forever, this i do not understand as it would tske one post, but it is how she feels.

jade x x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 07:50 PM

How is asking her for her political beliefs scapegoating her?

She ran for public office. Surely she had a platform. Surely she has had to answer these questions. So why not answer them?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: jeddy
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 07:46 PM

i have done my share of being nasty to george. it hasn't worked.

i have PMd her and i do not believe she is a racist.

i don't understand her reluctance to say so, but that is her choice.

now what should i do? drive her further into the arms of the BNP by ranting at her? or.. being reasonable, trying to help her with the problems that drove her there in the first place?

and by the way, i am a newbie and even i knew that goerge was short for georgina, and those of you who have followed these threads from the first: what should i do, thread will know this. i think someone mentioned george and you all want blood.

george has now become a scapegoat. while i dissagree with who she has aligned herself with, i also half understand her reasons.

take care all

jade x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 07:42 PM

Silent, but smelly.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 07:19 PM

Sure got real quiet all of a sudden.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 06:53 PM

I'd be interested to hear their health and education policies whilst we have the benefit of an official representative of the party amongst us.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 06:41 PM

So, George, where DO you stand? What is your political position? Are Black people, Jewish people, Moslem people, Special Needs people, allowed in your party?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Gervase
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 06:20 PM

She has never espoused racist beliefs here (or any where else that I'm aware of)
BNPGeorge has been asked plenty of times - openly and by PM - to state her position on the BNP racist policies and history, and has consistently refused to do so. Remember, she's not merely a supporter - she publicly sought election for a racist and fascist party on a manifesto which included 'repatriation' and segregation.
If it walks like a racist, quacks like a racist...
Draw your own conclusions.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 03:47 PM

1. There is a third option for MBS George. She could admit that she was wrong and rejoin decent society. Incidentally, the plight of the single mother is not universally pitied. Many, from the same side of the looking glass as the BNP assert that single women flock in droves to have children in order to be able to live a life of feckless luxury on benefits and without working (or without declaredly working). I have close awareness of the falsity of this picture.

2. The issue of whether to identify and target any such viper on our bosom is one for the site owner and the mods. As we are sometimes told, it is not a democracy.

3. Bill: there are two options. The alternatives are these: either you have not thought this through or you are a saboteur seeking to divide this community (yet further) by inference for reasons related to the central topic of this thread. The night is young, the bottle is full, and there is nothing on TV, so I will explain.


The cloning of mudcat persona started shortly after the foundation of FaF. Indeed some who were more prominent in FaF were targetted first. FaF had its fakebook group. That was what it was. People ther referred to the discussion here of FaF and people here referred to the fakebook group. There seem to have been BNP twerps on fakebook for ages. It is a sad reflection on humanity. The FaF group will have led them here.

Similarly, even BNP twerps can use a search engine. Searching for BNP ("oh, look, ma, I'm on the internet") will have found them the adverse references here. Some sought to enter debate and were trounced (or, in their sub-human language, "pwned").

That is likely to have driven them to seek some playground level revenge - but, politically more importantly, since the BNP sought to arrogate English folk music song and ritual to itself, it will have driven them to create Aunt Sallies - the evil twins of the 'catters who trounced them in debate here. Those evil twins could be called upon in the surreal world of fakebook, and beyond, to discredit opponents of the BNP - and FaF. It makes sense, in their essentially undemocratic form of debate to proceed as they have done.

But what of your great point? Do the BNPers know us? Well, given that they can work a search engine it is easy for them to find ALL posts here, by name and reference. They don't need the mudcat search engine or its member only features to do that. It is part of the NP ethos that the white race cannot get jobs because teh ethnic minorities are simultanwoulsly claiming benefits and taking all the jobs, so the hard-core BNPers must be at home all day with nothng to do but watch daytime TV or trawl the internet (because, save for the reported convictions for benefit fraud, of course they would not stoop to workig while claiming) So your point falls.

The fact that they do not in fact "know" us is established by the recent rantings of Sam Hudson (or was it Leah Green?) - who failed wholly to understand (why am I not surprised) a post of mine here and produced on their wall a pile of lunatic, infantile, pathetic, Walter Mitty (or to them, since they cannot read classic literature, its vocabulary being beyond them) "Chuck") gibberish about us fantasising about our 007 secret agents.

So, Bill, if you have not done your homework, can you really be here to make the point you say you are making? If not, then what? QED.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 02:02 PM

MBSGeorge, repeating what was in earlier threads, can you either confirm that you support the racist and neo-nazi principles of the BNP, which is your choice - but don't be surprised if decent people don't want to associate wit you because of this, or if you hare some other underlying motive, in which case I strongly recommend you do some background reading to realise the damage to social cohesion your actions either advertently or inadvertently lead to

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Azizi
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 11:55 AM

She has never espoused racist beliefs here (or any where else that I'm aware of)
-EmmaB

That may be so, Emma, but has 'MBSGeorge' ever publicly, on this forum or elsewhere else, disavowed the racism, the homophobia, and the anti-Muslim policies and statements of the BNP party that she is a member of and represented in her failed attempt to secure an elected office?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Emma B
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 11:38 AM

I met 'MBSGeorge' on mudcat some years ago.
Despite my initial excusable 'mistake', she never attempted to hide her gender, indeed listening in mudchat to her trials of pregnancy and her overwhelming joy at the birth of her son would have left no one in any doubt that hadn't met her in person.

Do not underestimate the BNP!

They are not all the loud and foul mouthed ignorant thugs I encountered at Codnor!

In an attempt to gain the respectability and the large budget that went with election to the European parliament, Griffin (he studied History and Law at Cambridge) put some of his swastica and Hitler tatooed bodyguards into smart suits in order to spread the lie that the BNP were representatives of the working class, upholders of Christianity and not racists.

Subsequent UK governments have sadly betrayed many people in this country leaving people with a young child, like Georgina, struggling to find appropiate and affordable accomodation.

It is the very people like this that the 'new' fascists have preyed on with their all too readily believed lie that 'foreigners' have priority for housing easily disproved by simple figures and facts but flaunted in the headlines of the right wing papers too!

It is exactly the people like Georgina we should be reaching out to with equal concern and action for their plight and the truth about the racist policies of the BNP

The dyed in the wool racists, like the trolls on this site, will never be convinced by either argument or insult and, indeed, the people we DO need to convince will only be put off by personal abuse, and who can blame them?

Georgina is in no doubt what myself and others she knows feel about her association with the BNP and its anti semitism and racist agenda and membership policy

She has never espoused racist beliefs here (or any where else that I'm aware of) and I think a personal attack on her on the basis of a well known 'nickname' is inexcusable.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: MBSGeorge
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 09:46 AM

I have never pretended to be male Peace. My application stated Georgina - I put George in 'commonly known as'. It was the council's mess up. Grow up. You are nothing like your name. At least I manage not to use foul language.

I haven't gone anywhere TBoE.

I chose not to comment unless I am being targeted and even then I am not prepared to give words for those who wish to twist and misconstrue.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: The Barden of England
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 06:00 PM

Is George still about I wonder?

John Barden

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 05:27 PM

Sam is a female, when I made the (rather bitchy! *LOL* remark about Shelley Rose's bottle blonde hair, the reply from Sam/Chris/Shelley/him/her/it was so very female in the same bitchy way..I'm totally convinced our advesary is indeed a female.

Stand and Be Counted!

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
(very) uppity "Indian" chick

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 05:22 PM

Sam is an asshole who's never done ANYthing here but lie. Marmy smarmy kind of person who reminds me of the BNP member who used to post on Mudcat. She seemed to be so fucked up that she used the masculine form of her name to con voters into thinking she was a man. Sam whines lots like her. I'm pretty sure Sam is a gal, not a guy. No guy in the world would write like 'he' does.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 12:20 PM

"NB "Sam" now claims to be former member "Sam Hudson" but to have lost cookie and password. Do your own advanced search and see if you think it rings true"
- Richard Bridge

sorry Sam/Chris/Shelley/him/her/it you lie!

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
uppity "Indian" chick

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 12:13 PM

NB "Sam" now claims to be former member "Sam Hudson" but to have lost cookie and password. Do your own advanced search and see if you think it rings true.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 10:00 AM

ME a troll? Stirring the pot am I? *LOL* Oh dear dear!! What's matter Sam/Chris/Shelley/him/her/it, things not going your way? No, you're right, I don't agree with your or the BNPs racist, anti-semetic and homophobic views, and never will.
As Joe Offer points out, you have no standing here at Mudcat due to the fact that you've refused to sign in as a member (that smacks of troll to me). I, at least, have the courage to post my real name for all to see, I, unlike you, have nothing to hide.

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
uppity "Indian" chick

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: GUEST,Sam
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 08:19 PM

Joe, there are currently three BNP threads up here at present, two below the line and one above (Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth has turned into another). If you read the comments (today) you will see that the troll that arrived here last month is stirring the pot on all of them.

Please keep to your word and place a limit of only one at a time. You do recall saying that ?

Thanks

Sam

---

Sam, I answered your query above, but I will say it again - one last time. You are not a registered or identified member of Mudcat, and you have no status here. You are not welcome here - you are merely tolerated, and you are being closely watched. We do not allow discussion of Mudcat editing policy in threads, and you have violated that prohibition several times today. If you wish to discuss Mudcat editing, contact me by e-mail, [e-mail].
What I said was that we would allow one thread discussing the BNP to be active at a time. However, I said that we will also allow separate threads for events, such as this one discussing the Folk Against Fascism protests at Luton and other locations. As has been recognized by some posters, the discussion is curtailed when it moves away from discussion of the event.
But that is of no concern to you, since you are merely an uninvited guest here, and you have not even done us the courtesy of telling us who you really are.
The rest of you - please carry on with the discussion and stict to the topic. Sam's query has been answered, and that's the end of it.
-Joe Offer, Forum Moderator-

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 11:28 AM

whatever you say Shelley, whatever you say....

I always enjoy my days....dearie

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
Uppity "Indian" chick

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 11:16 AM

Sam Hudson doesn't exist (well maybe somewhere there's a Sam Hudson!)however Shelley Rose (BNP candidate [failed]) does:
Mark Collet, Shelley Rose, Nick Griffin
and this is who's currently whining about the anti BNP threads, two specifically labelled BNP, the third is Folk Against Fascism

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
Uppity "Indian"

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 10:48 AM

"Us"? Is that the royal weeeeee?

Come on Sam, be open and honest about your true identity and whereabouts.

And tell us why "Sam Hudson" is so keen to find out more about the 80s folk-ish band "Roger the Chorister". Do you want to know about the dead one, or the member of special boat squadron with an enviable hand-to-hand kill record - or a different one? Why might that be?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 10:43 AM

You are not one of us, Shelly, or are you using the royal we? (that wouldn't surprise me!

If you don't like the way things are here, go away (like I said, feeling insecure are you?)

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
Uppity "Indian"

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: GUEST,Sam
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 10:39 AM

Would a Joe clone please check with him regarding three BNP posts up here at same time, he clearly stated there would be one and one only. If there has been a rule change, please let us know.

Thanks
Sam

---

I said that there would be allowances made for events, which may be discussed in individual threads if appropriate. If you have questions about Mudcat editing, contact me directly by e-mail or personal message.
-Joe Offer
[e-mail]

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 09:45 AM

This from everyone's favourite racist *LOL* the original to be found on the Legal action against the BNP thread.

From: GUEST,Sam - PM
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 09:34 AM

Joe Offer made it VERY CLEAR there would only be ONE BNP thread on mudcat, currently there are THREE (including Richard's ego driven paraniod one). Would someone please remove two as Joe requested.

Thank you

Me thinks the wee one is feeling a tad insecure with all the justified attacks on his/her/its racist, anti-semetic, homophobic(I wonder how many closet cases there are in the BNP?)friends.

Stand and Be Counted!
Charlotte Olivia Robertson
Uppity "Indian"

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Emma B
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 08:30 AM

An interesting and well balanced article about Luton from todays New Statesman

Good Migrations

"Luton – described as a breeding ground for militants and a tinderbox of racial tension – has an image problem. The Home Secretary and the press predict a riot, but local people beg to differ."

"A former industrial town situated on the edge of the Home Counties, it has long been looked down on by its well-to-do neighbours. Its diverse population is the story of postwar British immigration in miniature: from the 1950s onwards, successive waves of workers - Irish, Caribbean, Asian, African, eastern European - have made this place their home. Since the 11 September 2001 attacks, its large south Asian Muslim population (30,000 in a town of 184,000) has been under intense scrutiny, and particularly so since Luton-based Islamic extremists were alleged to have been involved in the 2005 London Tube bombings."

Kelvin Hopkins, Labour MP for Luton North since 1997, has spent three decades working in the town. Unlike his Labour colleague Moran, Hopkins has come through the expenses scandal well, winning praise for his frugal approach to parliamentary allowances.

"People change over time," the MP says. "There is a parallel with the Irish Catholic community and their integration into Britain. If you go back 40 years, there was deep prejudice against Irish Catholics; many of them felt very alien in this non-religious country that had dominated and brutalised them over the previous century. Over time, they've totally relaxed, particularly since the Good Friday Agreement. Now we have a Luton Irish forum, [and] a St Patrick's Day parade in the town. It's fantastic. But you couldn't imagine that happening 30 or 40 years ago."

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 07:37 AM

Yes, Penny, little girls are very nasty like that. What a strange coincidence.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Emma B
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 07:31 AM

BNP deliberately spread Islamophobia - in Essex

Epping Forest Monday 3rd August 2009

"THE British National Party has been accused of whipping up racial tensions in the district after it issued an inflammatory leaflet about a local Muslim community group.

In the latest edition of the BNP's Epping Forest Patriot, delivered to many households in Loughton, the group attack the use on Friday afternoons of the Murray Hall, in Borders Lane, for Islamic prayer sessions.

Under a picture of a union flag being eaten away by the Islamic moon and crescent the leaflet says: "In parts of neighbouring Redbridge and east London the Islamification process is almost complete. We'll do all in our power to prevent Islam creeping into our town."

.....Epping Forest BNP group leader Pat Richardson said she had seen the leaflet and "didn't disagree with it."
Loughton Inspector Tom Simons said the leaflet was "unhelpful" but did not break the law."

guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 26 August 2009

"Racist attackers abducted a Muslim community leader at knifepoint, bundled him into a car and threatened his life unless he stopped running prayer sessions in a community hall that has been the target of a British National party campaign.

Police have confirmed they are treating the incident as a hate crime and are investigating links with an earlier firebomb attack on the same man's home.

Ramjanally said he was abducted from his home in daylight by two white men who threatened him with a knife, bundled him into a car then drove him into woodland. They demanded he stop organising the Friday prayer sessions at Murray hall community centre. He said the words from his abductors matched the BNP propaganda opposing the Muslim prayers. The same demand was contained in hate mail he received last month threatening his wife and child, he said.

On 2 July, Ramjanally received an anonymous threatening letter telling him to stop using the hall for prayers and stating the author knew which school his child went to and which car he drove. The next day his flat was firebombed. The BNP has four councillors in the area and its leafleting campaign in late July has been attacked as inflammatory and divisive.

Mohammad Fahim runs the nearest mosque to Loughton which was firebombed in 2000. He said racists have used the fears of new mosques in the area to stoke racial and anti-Muslim tensions.

The BNP describes Fahim's mosque, in south Woodford, four miles from Loughton, as "notorious" and claims it has incited violence.

In fact, Fahim works as a chaplain for the Metropolitan police.

Loughton, which borders the eastern fringe of London, is affluent in parts, with a number of houses on its millionaire's row, called Alderton Hill, owned by British Hindu families. It is also a road, said Fahim, where women wearing headscarves are racially abused by passing white motorists. He advised one Muslim woman to remove her headscarf to avoid being a victim of hate crime.
According to the 2001 census, just over 1%of the area's residents describe themselves as Muslim

Abdurahman Jafar, chair of the Muslim Safety Forum, which advises the police, said: "The campaign of terror has followed a campaign organised by the BNP whereby they delivered hate literature to locals citing the small Friday prayer sessions as evidence of how 'the Islamification process is almost complete'." Recent months have seen a sharp rise in religiously motivated attacks against the Muslim community including attacks on outwardly Muslim appearing individuals, mosques and pogroms directed against the Muslim Community."

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Penny S.
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 05:52 AM

This looks rather like what is called in the sort of circles that use that sort of language "female relational bullying". Using methods that are supposed to protect people from attack to attack them - we had little girls who used the anti-bullying mediation process to report their victims as being the bullies, while giggling and sneering at the victims. (Without noticing a teacher observing them.) Giving the impression of being an ingroup that is excluding the victim - hence references to supportive friends, and special language forms. This works in schools where victims may be wanting to be part of the group, but is not very effective in adults. Projecting their own behaviour on to the victim. It's rather sad when it goes on into adulthood.
An elderly friend of my sister told me that these girls spend all their time planning what nastiness to do next.
While the writers of educational texts have many suggestions of methods to deal with boys bullying, there was scant advice in my day of how to deal with the girls.
Penny

Subject: RE: On Fakebook
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 05:56 PM

Leah Green Kind of shaken tonight, dirty old guy called Richard annoying me, why does a man that age want to annoy young ladies ?
18 hours ago.

Leah Green Thanks to all my friends for their support in reporting "Richard the Perv". Now you all know who he is and the site he is on, hard to believe someone of his age could act in such a manner. Big big thanks to Facebook staff.
4 hours ago.

Justin Van den Heever Hey love,listen i dont even know him,his from the uk stoke i think?yeah wat the fuck thats fuckt up he sounds really sketchy. love im no freak tho serious:-)   
2 hours ago

Justin Van den Heever Hey love,listen i dont even know him,his from the uk stoke i think?yeah wat the fuck thats fuckt up he sounds really sketchy.love im no freak tho serious:-).iv deleted that old cunt about an hour ago

Justin Van den Heever Did it get that bad hey?fuck did i also harass um ok yeah im sorry then...
about an hour ago

The above times are from a while back.


Well, I wonder who is harassing her, since it isn't me.



Funny I can still get onto both of their profiles - without ANY tricks. Oh, and onto Gareth's. So what is she thanking Fakebook staff for? Banning someone else?

And with a little more work (just a few keystrokes) Sam's and Helen's.



It does rather make you wonder about evolution though.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 02:24 PM

John, they are lower than snake shit. However, we are going to nail them. And anyone who knows you will attest that you'd sooner drink liquid manure than have anything to do with the BNP. Hell, even the name makes my skin crawl.

Bruce Murdoch

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: The Barden of England
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 02:20 PM

If you want to see what the idiot GUEST - Sam is now doing then just go to this:-
http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=9702990907
It bothers me not one jot, but I certainly seem to be bothering him. Keep it up SAM HUDSON, for here's one old fart who won't lay down, who will keep bothering to tell the whole world the truth about the BNP. You vote for who you like - your actions prove what the BNP tactics are. Proof if ever it was needed.
John Barden

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 10:06 PM

Aw.. now that's nice. Thanks Mr Dude

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: olddude
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 09:58 PM

Well how about a new theme song

Dave Van Ronk
Losers

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: jeddy
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 09:32 PM

smokey, i am not sure sure about BLACK humour, but i bet they love the BLACK market.

j x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: jeddy
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 09:29 PM

wow, it has tsaken me about an hour and a half to catch up.

there are some people who are just using the BNP as an excuse to wind you all up. most of the copy and pastes are probably written by someone else.

yes i do believe in speaking and explaining the BNP to wouldbe voters who have just had enough of what we already have.
how many times must i say that, yes there are alot of BNP supporters you cannot reach by being reasonable?
if i thought for one second that 'sam' belived what she is writing i would pounce on it, but at she is nothing but a troll, why waste my time?


that article on the gollie, was incredibly disturbing, i cannot imagine what she is aying at sachool and her friends taking it all in, these things are never contained, but spread like the evil it is. is there any way to find out what school she goes to and see what kind of anti racist steps they are taking? i wonder how many of her classmates and friends are of not acceptable to the BNP? i would hope alot so at least she has a chance, in time, to see what she is being taught by her very 'nice' parents.

it is all about education,we have to counter the start 'em young that the BNP are doing b y going into schools and making the kids understand just what it was that their great grandads fought for and against.

i agree with whoever it was said that these troll posts are doing more for our cause than attracting numbers for the BNP.

it is the issues that the troll keeps coming up with that need to be addressed, the troll itself is just someone to laugh at really.

take care all

jade x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 09:06 PM

I wonder if Sam's lot approve of black humour?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 08:42 PM

This conjures up a somewhat disturbing picture which, on reflection, I'd rather not have imagined. But hey, what the heck - you're only young once.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 08:27 PM

I'd be real surprised if any of you guys show up wearing a dress. However . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 08:24 PM

I'll trust your judgement on that.. count me in. Guitars and informal dress, presumably.

Damn shame we invented the Colonies so far away, really, innit?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 07:48 PM

Gotta get you, Severn, Art T and Gnu in a room together.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 07:37 PM

Such a delicate subject deserves the level of sensitivity and sparkling wit that can only be executed by someone with a talent such as my own. It is indeed a gift I do not deserve. I am duly humbled by your kind words.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 07:27 PM

It's a gift. I can see that.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 07:10 PM

Jaysus . . . .

It's the way I tell 'em.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 05:52 PM

Richard,

I have a neat idea regarding Wikileaks. I'll lay it out in e-mail form and send. Neat way to nail the fuckers, BIG time.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 05:48 PM

Jaysus . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 05:46 PM

Sorry, I have an offal sense of humour.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 05:37 PM

Smokey, yer giving fodder a bad name.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 05:30 PM

"Sam" loose with weapons of mass destruction in a Muslim country could truly set the world alight with a jihad the like of which has not been seen: something as massive as the Crusades were in the middle ages. I do not want him as my ambassador in any occupied country.

Not quite what I had in mind, Richard. Try cannon fodder.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 05:16 PM

Now there's a question I've wanted to ask our friend "Sam" or is it Chris, I forget, anyway.....The question is; How you ever served in the RAF, Navy or Army? Defending the country you so strongly believe in. Any other contributions you may have made to Britain that you feel we should know about? Or do you just spend your time bitching and complaining about others, particularly those of different ethnic origins to yourself. I know people who do more for Britain just by getting out of bed in the morning, than you've apparently done your whole life.

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 05:14 PM

Richard,

I have saved damned near all of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 05:13 PM

S'ok. "Sam" can't read worth shit anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 05:13 PM

"Sam" loose with weapons of mass destruction in a Muslim country could truly set the world alight with a jihad the like of which has not been seen: something as massive as the Crusades were in the middle ages. I do not want him as my ambassador in any occupied country.

Olddude, if you know a suitable US contingency lawyer who will insure any risk to me and wants a piece of Fakebook, I have the records of most of my communications with Fakebook.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 05:12 PM

Greatful? Sory, i doesn't kno how to right propper.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 05:07 PM

'Sam' - Just what wealth have you created for this country? Any?

Join the army; they need people like you. It would be an opportunity for you to make a contribution we could all be greatful for.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: GUEST,guest_olddude
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 05:04 PM

Charlotte
point well taken. Thank you
Dan

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 04:58 PM

While on its own this forum only reaches a small part of the population, folk song/dance/music does touch many peoples lives, and in doing so, decent people in the folk world need to make sure that they are distanced from the nastiness the BNP stand for (thus folk against fascism). Also at the same time, if other activities in communities that the BNP try an enamor themselves with take a similar stand, be it other music forms, theatre, gardeners, keep fit classes, etc etc, then the joined up effect becomes tremendous, and more and more people talk intelligently about the threat that the BNP is thus making them more and more marginalised.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: olddude
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 04:56 PM

Peace absolutely agree with you ...

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: olddude
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 04:53 PM

The US is a cess pool of civil law suites, the class action lawyers love them because the pay off is so great. Those US citizens that had their identity stolen ... one call to a class action attorney would do it. They would then go after facebook like sharkes and take 30% of the final settlement with no cost to the client for up front service. Facebook would in turn use the British Court system to recover their losses from those who stole the identities. "The shit rolls down hill here in the states"

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 04:49 PM

As a btw, there were many Mudcatters who wanted to be reasonable with them. None that wanted to be reasonable then have so far posted to this thread. FYI.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 04:48 PM

Dan, it's simple.

Three or so years back the filth showed up here. People like Sam, Chris, David, etc. They are like lice. I think Mudcat can't block them and so they stick around. Being reasonable with them is stupid, because they are NOT reasonable. Note: Sam on alternate days has shit to say but when challenged he backs of for a day or two and then reappears as if nowt had been said. Fuck that horseshit. If they (BNP assholes) get called that every time they show up, they won't be asking others to the site because they wouldn't want their 'would be members' seeing that kind of language. Hence, eat shit, Sam.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: olddude
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 04:43 PM

Charlotte
don't disagree but deal with how?, I question the wisdom on a folk music site that has perhaps 98% American guests that is all. A better approach is a series of websites well defined with information and good position in google UK

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 04:34 PM

Ignore it and it might go away..HA! Not in this or any other life time, but if you want to play the ostrich card, be my guest. The BNP are a threat and must and will be dealt with.

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 04:33 PM

We don't have the same class action and multiple damages rules in the UK as in the USA - but of course Fakebook IS in the USA...

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: olddude
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 04:23 PM

What amazes me is why so many good people here would waste any time with these people.   You cannot reason with hate, it just doesn't work. There is no logic or reason it is simply hate and that is all. Even worse is some trying to do logic live in the states where it really does not apply since it is British politics only.   My grand dad had a line it went "you cannot expect more from a pig then a grunt"

What happened here with a similar group was this. Those who were injured in any manner, threatened in any manner, were plastered with so many civil law suits against the organization that the millionaire leader now lives on public welfare since he lost everything he owned due to civil liability from the groups violence and threats. Now for good people to argue with them does nothing and only gives more press. They can use their rights to free speech but if no one listens then no one listens. However I don't know your civil laws but I am sure they can be used if you were discriminated against or injured in any manner. In the meantime I would remove any thread that preaches hate if I were a mudcat administrator and any of the others ... ignore ... but that is me

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 04:12 PM

"I'd rather put the stout in me and forget about the underpants."
-Peace
That could get you thrown out of your local *LOL*

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
I'll drink to that

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 04:09 PM

I'd rather put the stout in me and forget about the underpants.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 04:06 PM

"A chap needs stout underpants"
- Peace

St. Michaels, made in England.

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 03:58 PM

"A chap needs stout underpants in the Himalayas; it could make all the difference. There are human rights to consider here."

And lefts.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 03:55 PM

Sam,

Is Chris a guy or a gal?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 03:41 PM

"I did see a post on some bulletin board the other day from someone asserting he was a Jewish BNP member"
- Richard Bridge
Whoever it was was showing a definite lack of taste and, indeed, was being anti-Semetic. BNP = no Jews allowed. My husband got in touch with the local BNP folk, sometime ago, and they were really gung ho about him and the family becoming members, (Good thing hubbie isn't really racist, he really had them going *LOL*), I was killing myself laughing (Had the BNP local only known) until my husband stated the we were Jewish, the silence was deafening. We were told the everything would be taken in consideration and the we would be hearing from someone. We heard alright...application for membership to the BNP, turned down,

Charlotte Olivia

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 03:25 PM

I did see a post on some bulletin board the other day from someone asserting he was a Jewish BNP member. Talk about turkeys and Xmas!

It dies seem to demonstrate that there is a real need for a rational discussion (as above) of the sheer idiocies and falsity of BNP doctrine. Sam may not have the brains to understand, but some of the floating vote will.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 01:12 PM

I've just heard on the news that the BNP is to be prosecuted for disciminatory practices vis a vis membership of their orgnaisation.

Coming so soon after the Luton ban this is wonderful news, although I'm left wondering why the BNP thinks they need such a ban. No-one in their righ mind would join it anyway, especially if they were Black, Muslim, Jewish, gay etc. In other words, the overwhelming majority of the human race.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Flashmeister
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 12:07 PM

I live near Luton, signed teh HnH letter to stop BNP demos and am delighted that the 3 month ban is in place :-)
also see link....brought a smile to my face exposing them for what they are

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8218397.stm

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: The Barden of England
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 11:59 AM

Well, well. Guest - Sam (or should that be SAM HUDSON) you are quite entitled to your views, and can vote for who the hell you want, it is a free country after all. What you fail to understand is that I'm entitled to my views, and can say what the hell I want, and in a free country I don't expect to have to complain about false profiles on Facebook or Bebo, which is just harrasment by any other name.
By the by - "Great to see that old fart Barden losing it tonight ! LMAO."
Just wondered when that was? It's obviously about some Barden I'm not aware of - very possibly one of the FAKE ones. Hope that you read the Sun by the way, and the headline about a person being jailed for cyber bullying, I thought it made interesting reading.
John Barden

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 10:17 AM

Some of that Red White & Blue thing sounded well nutty..

Looks like the BNP are directly imitating Nazi Germany in quite a bit of stuff now: the Hitler Youth, adopting Folk Music & Custom, and now using "Pagan Cult" style rituals.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 10:01 AM

Something of an irrelevant point I know, but I found it kinda funny that "Billy Brit" devotes his life to "Soccer" (the term used by Foreign Nations to refer to English "Football") rather than err "Football". I guess he likes "Movies" and "French Fries" too as a part of appreciating his rich English heritage. And probably a nice drop of Coke (the white Colombian stuff rather than the brown fizzy) to top off his day, just like a real traditional British Chav.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 08:56 AM

You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!


says it all really..............

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 08:25 AM

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/298583/BNP-target-kids-in-weekend-training-sessions.html

Does the BNP puppet reminad anyone of anything?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 08:22 AM

his = Marshall's

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 08:20 AM

Tell you what Sam. Why don't you just post the whole of Mein Kampf on Mudcat and then we'll know exactly who you are.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 07:02 AM

Oh and while you are at it, I expect an apology on behalf of Danny Marshall who referred to my partner who is Czech as a "fucker".. his words, not mine

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 06:45 AM

"I am sick of people questioning why I voted BNP."

Noone gives a toss who you vote for, and if nasty neo-nazis want to vote BNP do so, but so trying to convince other people that you are doing so out of any other motive aprt from your apparant bigotry.

" The BNP is the manifestation of lax immigration, economic and foreign policy."

The BNP is the manifestation of neo-nazis,including violent criminal who want to gain power and impose white supremacy.

Every sin has it's penance. You can't make it go away before you atone for it. The BNP is your penance and they are gaining momentum.

The BNP is our penance for the behaviour of racist thugs.

"British People vote BNP because its right"

BNP vote fell in the last elections.

"why should we have to take in and look after all the aids infested, facists, and general loafers only here to claim benefits and putting a burdon on our healthcare, police service, education system and jobs when most of these immigrants are in fact from countries with a Government able, but too selfish to find solutions as to why they're a little bit poor."

All unsubstantiated.

"Why can't they create their own wealth rather than parasiting off the wealth WE created? Most of these countries already have more land and natural resources than Europe, it says something about what sort of people they are that they've done less with it."

Migrant workers create wealth - albiet in employments (thus paying income tax), or running eneterprises. The proportion of migrant workers in employment FAR exceeds those NEET.

"Far from encriching our society they simply make it more like the hell hole nations they've left"

Our culture is the result of centuries of inflence from all over the world. I would argue that most traditional song and dance has its roots in other parts of the world.

" just look at the state of London, Luton, Birmingham and every other city with high levels of third world migration."

where would the transport services, health services etc. be without migrant workers doing the jobs that noone else wants to do?


"Gun crime"

BNP wants its cronies to be armed after their national
service...
"rape",
"robbery and murder" - laidlaw, copeland, et al.

For the other points I refer you back to Richard's excellent answer.


Do you know what, every time you post you show more or more what the BNP is about. Keep posting. You provide a better argument for not voting BNP than decent intellegent people ever can.

I have to get back to my work now.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 05:34 AM

I've just found another News of the World article which is if anything even more sickening than the one about the hate fest. It's about how the BNP are setting up "Hitler Youth camps" to train and indoctrinate young people.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/298583/BNP-target-kids-in-weekend-training-sessions.html

Can nothing be done to drive this bunch of sickos off the planet?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: GUEST,Sam
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 05:33 AM

A little early in the day to be drinking Richard. I never read such rubbish in my life, I will put it down to a senior moment.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 05:16 AM

Helloooooo Sam. I see you. And the others who tried to hide. Who are you going to block now, when you don't know who to look for?

Oh, and if you want the truth: -

"aids infested, facists, and general loafers only here to claim benefits and putting a burdon on our healthcare, police service, education system and jobs when most of these immigrants are in fact from countries with a Government able, but too selfish to find solutions as to why they're a little bit poor" - absolute gibberish (and ungrammatical gibberish too) - but you can't have it both ways. Look around. You will find immigrants from countries with no effective governments, immigrants from countries where they are tortured, imigrants almost wholly staffing the lower levels of the health service, and immigrants propping up our economy in unattractive jobs.

Without immigrants, where would the mobile phone shops be? Where would the corner shops be? Where would agriculture be and how could you get a plumber or builder?

This answers your second question, about creating wealth, too.


Your third point is really ridiculous. Outlawry (rightly) vanished as a concept in English law about as far back as the 1300s. Remember Robin Hood? As the USA has found - if illegal immigrants cannot get driving licences then they cannot get insurance - result, you nwo have unlicensed uninsured "private hire" cars - as they diligently seek work. If they have no healthcare, you get breakouts of infections, to the general detriment of public health. If they ahve no housing, then you have communities sleeping rough. If they ahve no access to legal employmnet then you will inevitably get begging and working "black" (unfortunate expression, but there it is) with reduction in safety standards for teh public.


"competing for jobs and finding themselves in abject poverty" - well, make up your mind. I thought you said "they" were only here to sponge of benefits and live off the fat of the land. Are "they" working and trying to work, or not? Are benefits (when available, note restrictions on asylum seekers) a luxury to "them", or are they "abject poverty"?

Britain's debt has been caused by the inherent contradictions of capitalism being allowed (thanks largely to "conservative" pressures, not to natural socialist policies) to destroy banking, banking that free market "thinkers" allowed to become foolish gambling. Until then, Brown had presided (even if he was not a real socialist) over one of the most successful economic periods in UK recent (ie about 100 years) economic history.   



Sam, do yourself a favour and get an education. Try to think. It is not necessarily the case that "other races" are inferior. We are all descended from rift valley ancestors. We owe modern mathematics to Arabian civilisations. We owe much of European language to sanskrit, and gunpowder to the far east. We owe the modern electronics industry to Japanese pioneers. Just what makes you better than "them"?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 05:12 AM

The full News of the World report of the hatefest can be read here.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/465772/Angel-faced-racist-aged-12-Girl-burns-golly-at-BNP-fun-day.html .

Even allowing for the NOW's usual habit of hyping everything through the roof, it makes sickening rerading.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Royston
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 04:44 AM

Chris / Sam,

It doesn't really matter, you are both apparently some sort of hideous online gestalt being. Now we know, from your own (or her) words, what you perceive as "heritage", will you please sod off from this site, because this site is about folk heritage and there isn't one person here that would recognise what passes for "heritage" in the Chris/Sam household, as filmed and reported at the BNP fascist rally. Remeber, you called the BNP festival a great celebration of your heritage. You are rather hoist on your own petard.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 04:20 AM

Nick Griffin on the BNP being forced to grant membership to non-whites. "Since if we want to survive we will be forced to let them in, the key will be before we do so to change the party - to ensure that whoever's coming in doesn't have any control."

Somebody ought to tell this cretin, the BNP is not a democracy. Uberstumpenfuhrer Griffin is in sole command. He should know. He set it up that way.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: GUEST,Sam
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 04:18 AM

My wife is Chris, I am Sam.

Sam H

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Royston
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 04:16 AM

BNP Chris / Sam

The BNP is your penance and they are gaining momentum

No, the BNP is your own private hell and you/they are not gaining momentum. We already established that the number of BNP voters reduced between the 2004 and 2009 european elections.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Royston
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 04:05 AM

Thank you Chris / Sam. At least we finally get a BNP'er being honest that (for you) it's all about hatred and resentment papered over with a revision of history and some lies to make it sound like a policy.

By the way, I thought you were also opposed to cut/paste rubbish appearing on mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 09:39 PM

As a point of interest, the above was posted five days ago here.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 09:09 PM

Commies with mushy brains?

Sounds like an improvement on the last thirty years to me. Where are they?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: GUEST,Sam
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 08:41 PM

I am sick of people questioning why I voted BNP. The BNP is the manifestation of lax immigration, economic and foreign policy.

Every sin has it's penance. You can't make it go away before you atone for it. The BNP is your penance and they are gaining momentum.

British People vote BNP because its right, why should we have to take in and look after all the aids infested, facists, and general loafers only here to claim benefits and putting a burdon on our healthcare, police service, education system and jobs when most of these immigrants are in fact from countries with a Government able, but too selfish to find solutions as to why they're a little bit poor.

Why can't they create their own wealth rather than parasiting off the wealth WE created? Most of these countries already have more land and natural resources than Europe, it says something about what sort of people they are that they've done less with it.

Far from encriching our society they simply make it more like the hell hole nations they've left, just look at the state of London, Luton, Birmingham and every other city with high levels of third world migration. Gun crime, rape, robbery and murder rises with every drop of third world "enrichment" the UK is subjected to! This is what happens when stupid Commies who turned their brains to mush in the 70's and 80's with coke and cannabis come to power!

And I dont understand the term 'Illegal Immigrant' If they have no legal status, they should have no access to public funds or protection under the law. Of course, Labour PMs love to say, "B-b-b-but it's unfair to punish the CHILDREN!!!" You know what's unfair? Saddling future generations of legal children with untenable debt because of all the cash needed to support illegals.

Every day people rush into this country from God knows where, competing for jobs and finding themselves in abject poverty. The only problem is that Britain has become an "entitlement" society; we are currently being saddled with debt to which illegal immigration certainly will contribute.The bad part is that Britain has a deficit that is so huge, it engulfs 1 and 1/2 times our national product. This situation is untenable.

The Labour party has steadily contributed to the economic declines in Britain since before WWI and especially since the end of WWII.
One would think that after 100 years of wealth redistributions and a hugemongous debt, Labour would finally find that illegal immigration is breaking our backs.

Britain should repudiate the treaty that sucked us into Brussels. Why in the hell would you let a bunch of remote bureaucrats run your lives?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 08:33 PM

"Do unto others as you would have done unto yourself"

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 07:51 PM

Wonder if 'Sam' would care to comment on this aspect of his party's policy?
"At the age 18, the half-caste would be given free passage to the country of its choice or he or she would be allowed to remain in Britain, enjoying all rights and privileges, including marriage, except for the fact that he or she would be legally enforced to undertake sterilization, under correct medical supervision."
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 07:20 PM

Well, if that's the fucking master-race, I'm proud to be one of the animals.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Royston
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 07:02 PM

Well done "Sam",

Is that what you described earlier as "a wonderful celebration of our heritage"?

Tell you what, you degenerate piece of filth: Keep your heritage to yourself!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 05:06 PM

Hey Sam - from teh News of teh World

BNP undercover reporters are beggining to show what realy happened at the BNP RWB nazi rally. Dont Forget, the RWB festival was only open to BNP card carrying members.
____________________________________________________

A LITTLE girl grins with glee as she holds a golly over a fire . . . while a jeering BNP politician finds the doll guilty of BEING BLACK during a vile mock trial and execution.

The baying crowd cheers when the toy - dubbed Winston - is condemned and dropped on to the flames to "die".

Goading on the assembled adults and kids the politician, a local council candidate, yells out these chilling words: "Let's get a real one . . . in the town we'll find one or two."

SCROLL BELOW TO WATCH GOLLY-BURNING BNP VIDEO

The sickening stunt was staged at the British National Party's annual FAMILY festival last weekend - yet the BNP insists it is NOT racist as part of its successful ploy to attract votes in elections.

Around 1,200 members converged on fields at Codnor, Derbys, for the Red White and Blue "fun" weekend. Our undercover reporter, posing as a supporter to gain entry to the members-only event, secretly filmed racism everywhere.

For £1 a go, people were throwing wet sponges at a man in a Barack Obama mask locked in stocks.

Elsewhere stalls were selling T-shirts with slogans like It's A White Thing and books such as Race, Evolution and Behavior - which insists whites give birth to larger-brained babies and blacks are prone to crime.

Supporters gave Nazi-style salutes and shouted Sieg Heil.

Cooked

And in the "political tent", party chairman and MEP Nick Griffin, 50, was setting out how his party would deal with proposed anti-discrimination laws forcing the BNP to change its whites-only membership policy.

He said: "Since if we want to survive we will be forced to let them in, the key will be before we do so to change the party - to ensure that whoever's coming in doesn't have any control."

Saturday night was the climax of the festival - and when the vileness reached its peak. Firstly, around 50 skinheads took part in a PAGAN ceremony to summon occult powers for their cause.

They chanted incantations as they passed around and drank from an animal horn filled wth mead.

Two hours later, local council candidates John Coombes, of Maidenhead, Berks, and Dick Hamilton of Marlow, Bucks, were sitting with others around a brazier.

Hamilton's ghettoblaster blared out songs supporting Hitler and attacking "ni**ers".

Then began the "trial" led by Coombes, 45.

A 12-year-old girl there with her dad (we are protecting her identity) held a golly called Winston over the fire as Coombes "charged" him with "mugging, rape, drug dealing".

He sneered: "Right Winston, you're about to get cooked. Anything else to say?

"Says he ain't a drug dealer. He thinks he's not black. He's charged with being black. Now get on there."

Skinhead Hamilton chipped in: "If he jumps off he's innocent." Coombes went on: "He's guilty, guilty as charged.

"Let's get a real one - in the town we'll find one or two. They'll also be guilty of the heinous crimes I charged him with - may God forgive your horrible soul." Coombes repeated the charges then added: "He may have appeared innocent to you lot but I'm sure he done lots of things wrong."

During the weekend the party's other MEP Andrew Brons used his stint in the political tent to compare Muslims to SMALLPOX during his speech.Reply to Jason
Report

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 04:55 PM

????? Brains from Freezing?????

Hey Sam, wanna be my friend on fakebook? Or are you Leah Green on there, or her alleged friend Gareth Mark Baugh?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Royston
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 04:36 PM

BNP members are habitual skinheads and covered in tatoos and they go round in singlets and stuff to make sure everyone can see the artwork

Hmm, sounds like a night at 'Trade'. Those BNP'ers might just know how to have a deviantly good time!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 07:05 AM

Steady on there chaps. We're talking sauce for the goose here. BNP members are habitual skinheads and covered in tatoos and they go round in singlets and stuff to make sure everyone can see the artwork. Suppose we dropped a few of them onto a freezing Himalayan maountain, with no headgear to prvent their brains from freezing?

Anyway, wasn't there something in the papers a while ago about all the garbage that's being left on Mount Everest?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: jeddy
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 06:35 AM

i am with you smokey, they need underwear!! just imagine... you are a mountain tourist off on a nice hike up there and you come across someone who does look more like a wild beast. ok, he is mountain living, but imagine the dispair and horror when you find out he is naked! oh lordy NO!! you would be obliged to be NICE to the poor fella, a bit like finding an injured cute baby animal. WE CAN'T HAVE THAT !!!!

so in future if we do drop anyone else onto a mountian, could we cover them decently please, even true animals have standards you know.   :0)

take care all

jade x x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 09:36 PM

Well I think we need to know, otherwise how can we make an informed decision on who to vote for?

Repatriation is one thing, with or without socks, but dumping a chap from a great height of unreliable availability without adequate nether-garments just isn't cricket, even with a parachute. Standards of decency have to be maintained in any civilised society, and we have a duty to set an example to those less blessed by evolution than our good selves. Dammit, we aren't savages. Don't forget, not only did we invent evolution itself, we also invented America (and that other bit just above it) and wrote Beethoven's 9th.

Y'know, I'm really glad I didn't send them a donation now.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 04:41 PM

'e don't make no mention of unmentionables, guv.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 04:38 PM

What I want to know is whether the poor sod is allowed underpants. A chap needs stout underpants in the Himalayas; it could make all the difference. There are human rights to consider here.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 04:33 PM

"the top of the Himalayas with no shoes"

Mountains need shoes?

I don't get it.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 04:29 PM

I'm afraid I just couldn't take the "no shoes" bit seriously, and "from a great height if one is available" is pure tripe.

Monty Python eat yer heart out. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 04:08 PM

""Well no amount of counseling can help people like this so I think the best course of action is deportation to a country where they fit in. I have observed that most animals are happier and thrive in their natural environment so this animal would be much better off airlifted to the top of the Himalayas with no shoes and dropped there wearing a parachute from a great height if one is available.""


While you are at the police station Sam, you might like to report the racist arsehole who posted the above incitement to racist hatred.

But you can't really, because it's you ARSEHOLE!

Don T

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 03:56 PM

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: curmudgeon
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 03:52 PM

But in the Canadian view, Washington and Jefferson are wearing the wrong kind of trousers!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 03:49 PM

This is the American view. Steve posted the Canadian view. Thanks again.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 03:45 PM

Many thanks to you, Steve.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: jeddy
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 01:42 PM

LOL :0) x x x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Steve Howlett
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 12:48 PM

Peace, try this link.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 05:41 AM

Hopefully this will be the last thing I have to say.

(1) A criminal is a criminal irrespective of race, colour, gender, relgion, sexial orientation. A criminal act is a criminal act whoever carries it out, and racism is a criminal act.

What your head is too small to get round, Sam, is that criminal acts are carried out from all walks of life, and are treated accordingly. Because one Muslim may carry out an attack it does not make all Muslims attackers, and everyone with at least one brain cell can work that out for themselves - otherwise you have to say that because of Copeland all white people are nail bombers. Any intellegent person would instantly see the 'doublespeak' - a tool used by all fascists, i.e. blame the community for the actions of individuals. Do you really want a reoccurance of incidents like Lidice (committed Neo-Nazis probably would want to refer to it as Liditz). I know you won't look it up as it the history does not fit in with the BNP line.

The point, and I know you are too stupid to get it because your superiors in BNP told you so, is that the BNP as a party aims to legitimise illegal actions and actively promote race hate, and by and large they are organised thugs, who are no different to playground bullies who want tot impose their vile hatred on those who are different to them, and then start sniveling when decent people stand up to them.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 05:30 AM

So Sam, or should that be Son of Sam, is off to his local cop shop to report Peace for publishing the BNP list. While he's there perhaps he could mention Redwatch. That's the one Sam. Redwatch. The site which publishes names, adresses and photographs of left wingers and anti-fascists and incites skinhead thugs to go along and beat them up.

While you're there, perhaps you could mention the BNP lowlife who published the list in the first place. What a way for someone to rat on their mates, just because they fell out with the leadership. Must have been someone pretty close to the top as well. After all, they wouldn't let out the private details of every member on their books to anyone else would they.

But that's the BNP for you. Rotten to the core and very very nasty.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 12:01 AM

A friend tells me the link does not work. It was four men knelt over with their rear ends sticking up. Clad I might add. Loses something in the translation.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 11:53 PM

Bad link there. Try this.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 11:36 PM

View from the Canadian side of Mt Rushmore. Pick one Sammie.

And kiss it!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 11:04 PM

And, "Sam", I will then be able to get your real name. Have a nice sleep.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 10:59 PM

Anyway, if the police DO get in touch I will gladly tell them about the attacks on me (and others from Mudcat) that occurred on Facebook AND Youtube, and no doubt they will be very interested in that. You fucked up, Sam. Pass that on to your 'friends'. Asshole.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 10:51 PM

I tripped over the list one day when I googled

BNP, wikileaks




So, Sam, howzat?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 10:48 PM

Oops. I see Jeri posted a link to it. Thanks, Jeri.

"Sam", what a horse's ass you are you racist sonuvabitch.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 10:41 PM

"Peace", that's me, did NOT post the list on Mudcat or for that matter anywhere else. Sam, you are indeed a fuckhead. However, anyone looking for the list can view it and copy it at Wikileaks. The thing is still there.

Sam, you are a hollow shell of anything resembling a man.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: jeddy
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 06:54 PM

sorry, not sure what happened there.

have you just realised what it must feel like to be the victim or racism?

i see you have made the usual animal reference, well glad you manged to get to that one, but i am afraid you might have run out of steam and need a rest.

i am not sure these facts exsist because he gives no link or reference to where his info comes from.

however, if they are correct, they are no more acceptable than white supremcy.

d we want our cities to become like northern ireland? no go streets for certain people?.....NO!!! and that is what we are trying to stop from both sides!!!!!

i will say one thing for you 'sam' you are very entertaining.
thanks for cheering me up when i am having a thick day, because you make me look highly intelligent.

take care all

jade x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 06:50 PM

Join the army Sam.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: jeddy
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 06:46 PM

SO WHAT IS YOUR' POINT 'SAM'?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: GUEST,Sam
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 06:30 PM

How nice. Detectives investigating a disturbance at a parade for soldiers returning home from Iraq have charged seven people with public order offences. Skip related content

Anti-war protests erupted as soldiers from the 2nd Battalion The Royal Anglian Regiment paraded through Luton town centre on March 10.

Seven people from Luton will appear at the town's magistrates' court on September 16 charged with public order offences.

They are Jalal Ahmed, 21, of Cavendish Road, Yousaf Bashir, 29, of Dane Road, Ibrahim Anderson, 32, of Warwick Road West, Jubair Ahmed, 19, of Beech Road, Ziaur Rahman, 33, of Nunnery Lane, Shajjadar Choudhury, 30, of Essex Close and Munim Abdul, 28, of Highbury Road.

Police also charged 12 other people in connection with another disturbance in Luton town centre on May 24.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 05:12 PM

I thought that one of the qualifications for membership in the BNP was that you have to have a criminal record, what with the large number of members who appear to have one. *LOL*

I was just leaving..

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: The Barden of England
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 04:28 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: GUEST,Sam - PM
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 04:18 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: GUEST,Sam - PM
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 04:18 PM

You are right John

What - about you being 'afraid to say who you are', or that you're 'a snivelling, lying racist toad', or that 'You don't even have the courage of your very dubious convictions - although I'm sure you do have convictions - criminal hopefully.'?

Glad we cleared that up and that you agreed with me.
John Barden

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 04:25 PM

Ever the coward, isn't he, John, still refuses to reveal who he is and still playing the divide and conquer game, the man (and I use the term loosely)is racist, probably anti semetic and homophobic. I love to see him try and deport me, me being not white and all that...that thought really does bring a smile to my face.....
I'm ever the optimist.

Stand and be Counted!

Charlotte Robertson

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: GUEST,Sam
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 04:18 PM

You are right John, Amir Rehman is clearly a very unhappy young man who like many others wakes up in the morning, looks in the mirror and wishes he were white. He perpetrates such crimes because he is twisted with bitterness, resentfulness and rage being totally ashamed of his lot in life. He will continue to inflict his misery on the indigenous population untill he kills someone and is then caged for life. Well no amount of counseling can help people like this so I think the best course of action is deportation to a country where they fit in. I have observed that most animals are happier and thrive in their natural environment so this animal would be much better off airlifted to the top of the Himalayas with no shoes and dropped there wearing a parachute from a great height if one is available.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: The Barden of England
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 04:12 PM

Still afriad to say who you are then GUEST - Sam. What a snivelling, lying racist toad you are. You don't even have the courage of your very dubious convictions - although I'm sure you do have convictions - criminal hopefully.
John Barden

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 03:27 PM

Your credibility is zero Sam or whatever you call yourself.

The shoe is on the other foot now, it's all very well and good for the likes of you to hurl racial abuse and physical abuse at non whites, but when they turn around and do the same thing back, all of a sudden it's not fair. You hypocrite, run along...go on, scat!

As I've stated at least twice before, who's worse.....

Stand and Be Counted!

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
aka Olivia Beak (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: GUEST,Sam
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 03:07 PM

A Muslim who randomly slashed a white man in Manningham, telling him that the town belonged to Muslims and that whites were to be kicked out, was not charged with any racially aggravated assault but merely with wounding with intent.

Although Amir Rehman, 18, shouted racial abuse at 51-year-old Ronald O'Connor, telling him that "Manningham belongs to Muslims. We don't want whites. We rule Bradford. We are going to get you out," he was not charged under sections 28-32 and 82 of the Crime and Disorder Act which specifically deals with racist violence and harassment.

There can be no doubt that had the perpetrator been a white British person, he or she would have been charged under the racially aggravated legislation. It is therefore increasingly clear that the anti-racist violence law is only used against whites.

As it is, the court case only made local news in the Bradford and Argus Telegraph, with a minor follow-up story in the national Telegraph, but so far the vicious anti-white attack has been deliberately ignored by the rest of the controlled media.

Mr O'Connor tried to flee the racist attacker by running into a shop, but Rehman ran up and stabbed him twice in the upper arm with a four- to five-inch bladed knife.

The Leeds court heard that Rehman, of Lumb Lane, Manningham, was described as if in a frenzy, "like a crazy man, out of control," as he tried to slash Mr O'Connor's face. The palms of Mr O'Connor's hands were slashed as he tried to defend himself.

Prosecutor Richard Gioserano said: "Rehman was swinging at him over and over again with the knife. Mr O'Connor was in great pain and in fear, literally, of his life."

Mr O'Connor had surgery at Bradford Royal Infirmary for a deep laceration to his palm. He also suffered lacerations to his fingers and two incisions to his upper arm with apparent nerve damage.

Within hours of appearing at court for a preliminary hearing of the case in March, Rehman went to Pudsey with two other Muslims, Amar Farooq and Tanveer Hussain, where they committed a series of robberies on children on their way home from school.

The judge, Recorder David Bradshaw, told Rehman he had committed an unprovoked attack on an innocent man causing "horrendous" injuries.

He said: "I am satisfied it was accompanied by racial abuse and seemed to have a racial motive."

* It has also been reported that Walter Chamberlain, the D-Day veteran attacked by Muslims in Oldham in 2001, has passed away from old age. Mr Chamberlain, who was 76 years old at the time of the famous incident, was walking through the Westwood district of Oldham when three Muslims demanded to know his address. He refused to tell them and was pushed to the ground and left bleeding with broken cheekbones. According to local reports, one of the attackers said: "This is our area. Get out."

Mr Chamberlain said one of his assailants told him that he was "not allowed in this part of town because he was white."

Mr Chamberlain took part in the D-Day landings with the Royal Navy. He was later a bus conductor in Oldham for 34 years. The attack was one of four racially motivated incidents in Oldham on that weekend, and played an important role in generating support for the British National Party in that town in the subsequent local elections.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 02:40 PM

""Self-righteousness must be such a wonderful thing,""


Righteous = Anagram of THIS ROGUE.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 01:56 PM

"By the way brave Guest - Sam, I always sign off with my name - how brave are you??"
- The Barden of England
You're right John, let's REALLY show this prat what it's all about...come on Sam, there's a lad(?) you can do it.......

Stand and Be Counted

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
aka Olivia Beak (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: The Barden of England
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 01:51 PM

The idiot GUEST - Sam is probably trying to bring up the fact that when he/she/it goaded Peace, well then Peace mentioned a Christian name and a single letter that may, or may not, be the first one from a surname. Good on you Peace, and I don't somehow see the Police turning up on your door.
In the meantime GUEST - Sam, what a complete turd you are, trying to hide behind a law, that you yourself would happily ignore (as your precious BNP does in it's banning of certain groups joining), so whinge all you like - it'll get you absolutely nowhere. By the way brave Guest - Sam, I always sign off with my name - how brave are you??
John Barden

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 01:39 PM

Many thanks Sam old bean, I just made quite a few copies of the list and e-mailed them to people I think should have them, let's see now, that's a fair amount of people in several countries who now stand to be prosecuted

The barn door is open and the horse is loooooonnnngggg gone

Stand and be Counted!

Olivia Beak Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jeri
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 01:18 PM

Sam, thanks for offering the opportunity to share this list. I didn't see Peace posting the whole list, but it's all over the internet. In fact, if you right click on a link for the list and select 'save as', you can have your very own copy.

The problem with this stuff is that once it gets out, it's OUT. Sam's objection proves those who operate from the shadows, whether they're opportunistic GUESTS here or fascist terrorists elsewhere, don't much like the light.

http://wikileaks.org/leak/bnp-membership-list.txt.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 12:51 PM

Speaking of investigatios, our dear Sam or whatever name he/she/it is currently using, failed to let us know about:

An investigation has been launched after two immigration staff were found to be

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 12:46 PM

This nasty piece of work will hide behind human rights when it suits him, just like the rest of the BNP scum and yet will deny those same rights to others simply because of the colour of their skin, the religious or ethnic backgrounds.

It seems to me that Sam or whatever name he/she/it chooses to use, is getting desperate and will use any means possible to discredit and silemce the voices fairness.

By the way, nice cut and paste job from the Daily Telegraph sunshine!

It's worth being charged with offences to drag the nastiness that is the BNP kicking and screaming into the light of day, so, for me, this no threat. Have the courage of your convictions.

Stand and be Counted!

Olivia Beak (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 12:38 PM

Hey cool. I gotta get a load of this. Where has Peace managed to post a list of 13,000 names and addresses on Mudcat?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: GUEST,Sam
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 12:13 PM

Two people have been charged under the Data Protection Act after a British National Party membership list was leaked onto the internet.

A 27-year-old man and a woman, aged 30, are due to appear at Nottingham Magistrates' Court on September 1.

Publishing this list breaches human rights and data protection laws, so why has Bruce Murdoch been allowed to post it on mudcat ?

Dyfed-Powys Police said it is a criminal offences under the Data Protection Act to publish this list, and confirmed two people have been charged with Section 55 Data Protection Act offences.

I have passed on to the police the post on here in which "peace" published the list on mudcat cafe.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Stringsinger
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 11:16 AM

The reason that the BNP is here is that people are reactive and not proactive.

British value systems are based on democratic ideals. The British outlawed slavery when the US endorsed it for example.

Yes, Britain has a history of imperialist designs on other countries but the Brits have
shown some common sense by quitting India and futile policies.

Darwin was British. Marx lived in Britain. Some of the finest educated minds in the world come from Britain. Oxford is considered to be one of the finest
universities in the world.

I believe that the British working class is better educated than in America.

There is much that Britain can be proud of without the lies of the BNP.

The best protest is to encourage the important heritage of the British people such as
free-thinking, accepting of cultural diversity (yes they do and always have done in Britain) and why not? It makes Britain a model for democracy.

The BNP is like the crazy Republican protesters in the States. They are cut from the same cloth and both intend to destroy their respective countries.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 09:49 AM

Well, well, well, where IS Master James now, with his yapping poodles of rascism, hatred and intolerance about his feet?

It is indeed a victory for common sense and we can only hope that there are more decisions like this in the future. We must not let down our guard though, we should be campaigning with a focus on getting this scum banned from the streets of Luton and other places, for good, yes, yes, I know this makes me sound like a dictator, but as far as I'm concerned, the good of the many far over-rides the racist needs of the BNP and their lackies.

Stand and Be Counted

Olivia Beak (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 06:42 AM

I've just recieved some very important news. The Home Secretary has intervened and banned the Luton anti-Islamic march from going ahead. What's more, any similar demonstrations are banned in Luton for the next three months.

This is wonderful news. It is a victory for toleance and common sense, and for the realisation that veerybody in this country is entitled to protection under the law, irrespective of their skin colour, religiuous persuasion or anything else the far right might feel like knocking out of us. We are not going tolet these Fascist thugs take over our streets.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: GUEST,GUEST:CSG
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 06:40 AM

So, when is D-Day in Luton? According to the pro-BNP sites it's 15th, but that's been and gone... Thanks a lot!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 08:38 PM

The bars open late tonight?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 06:39 PM

In fact, I wouldn't put it past a 'person' like you do do just that.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 06:39 PM

"The first messages were posted on Sunday, with a poster calling himself Ismaeel writing: "Man, they really are dropping like flies over there.[]"

Well, Sammie, maybe he's a shit stirrer just like you. Multiple identities, multiple names.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 05:28 PM

Everyone needs a hobby, and they probably need the extra protein.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 05:24 PM

The BNP do encourage that sort of thing then? *LOL*

Olivia Beak (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Smokey.
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 05:18 PM

"It wasn't 'til I saw the top of 'er 'ead that I recognised 'er." (the late Tony Capstick)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Peace
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 05:07 PM

I still wanna know how his knees are.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 05:06 PM

By the by, a nice piece of divide and conquer on Sam or whatever it's calling itself this hour, asking me to add him/her/it/ on facebook (sorry I have no facebook account), as if I have some familiarity with is odious creature, though I can't but help not being able to shake this feeling that Sam or whatever it'a calling itself this hour is known to us here at Mudcat, a regular if my feeling is right......white man speak with forked tongue, eh Sam or whatever you're calling yourself this hour?

Stand and Be Counted

Olivia Beak (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 05:00 PM

Do you know what, Sam or whoever you are?

I know, you know and anyone else who has more than one brain cell knows what you are and what you stand for. I can tear your drivel apart but do you know what, I don't have the time or energy or write detailed responses.

The evidence is out there, in the BNP's own words and actions.

You aren't worth a second of my time and attention.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 04:25 PM

Hardly a troll, Sam or whatever you're calling yourself this hour. I"m someone who's experience your sort of trash racist talk all my life. Facebook, right that just about sums you up, that and what the next fashion trend will be.

Like I said, who's worse you or the Islamic extremist you profess to hate. You can add me to your hate list by the way, not being white and all that.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: GUEST,Sam
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 04:20 PM

Ah my dear it would take a little more than a few sad comments of a troll to get me going, add me on facebook ;)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 04:09 PM

Disinformation is such a wonderful thing. The BNP and their lackies are the masters at it, using lies, innuendo and plain old "let's make it up as we go along"
You see I have a problem with extremists on all fronts of the political spectrum. I wonder why the BNP and their lackies think they're any better than Islamic extremists, seems to me they're different sides of the same coin ( of course! the BNP are white...THAT's the difference!)
Self-righteousness must be such a wonderful thing, eh, Sam, or whatever you're calling yourself this hour

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: GUEST,Sam
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 03:56 PM

Islamists in Britain have celebrated the deaths of British soldiers in Afghanistan on the Internet, cheering the Taliban on and expressing the desire for even more British soldier casualties.

On the website "Islamic Awakening," which bills itself as working to provide "authentic knowledge and guidance with regards to everyday duties Muslims offer to Allah, such as Jihad etc." posts have been made saying that the "bros" in Afghanistan are "going to push for the next century" and "round it up to 300" deaths, amongst other comments.


The first messages were posted on Sunday, with a poster calling himself Ismaeel writing: "Man, they really are dropping like flies over there.

Another, calling himself AbuJunayd, wrote: "On a side note, you reckon the bros are gonna push for the next century, round it up to 300. Inshallah the more the kuffs(*) deploy, the more the bros will send em back in body bags, or crutches or with serious psychological problems. May Allah give the Mujahideen Sabr,m reward and victory." (* = kuffs is slang for kuffars, or non-Muslims).

Another poster, Wazir, said: "By command of Allah, the invading forces will be forced to withdraw humiliated and defeated by a group of men who between them do not possess even one transport helicopter."

Noorah said: "They are really getting whooped. Don?t know how they think they can win."

The Islamic Awakening website's founding charter states further that its purpose is to "face the ideological onslaught waged on the Muslims by exposing the doctrines of deviancy and disbelief, such as secularism, socialism, democracy and nationalism" and to "preserve the true meanings of some of the important Islamic concepts, such as'Jihad','Commanding the Good & Forbidding the Evil','Love and Hate for the sake of Allah'from the unblessed scheme of the hypocrites and disbelievers who are working tirelessly to redefine Islam under the pretext of 'curbing religious extremism and intolerance'."

Only a few days ago the Labour Government announced that it would be scaling down its spending on trying to combat Islamic extremism in Britain "because Muslims are being stigmatised."

So these are another few for you to hug Emma.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 02:56 PM

I combined the Luton and Codnor threads, because similar messages were being posted in both threads. Since Codnor is past and Luton is coming, I changed the thread name to emphasize Luton - but there apparently is not date for any activity yet.
Please note that we are being very strict about the use of poster names in this thread. If you post at Mudcat, you must use one consistent posting identity. And, as always, civil conduct is expected.
Also, since these threads are primarily political and rarely give more than lip service to folk music, they will be considered non-music threads.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: BNP in Luton
From: Emma B
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 01:47 PM

Well the Codnor protest is over - lets keep Luton flagged up please -if it's not possible to have 2 threads on 2 different events

meanwhile.....

Here is a scary photo from the May demonstration.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 01:46 PM

"A little bit of history. The (former) British National Party was one of an assortment of right wing ragamuffin organisations from which the National Front was formed."
- Owen Woodson

All this is mentioned in the Wikipedia entry, and a "A little bit of (personal)history" This was an area I studied whilst at university, plus the fact that my dad was very familiar with the goings on of the various right wing/fascist groups that were around at the time, I"ve learned my history lessons well.

Olivia Beak (Ms)

shocked and appalled in Reading (not really *LOL*)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Steve Howlett
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 11:45 AM

Further up this thread, Guest BNP Troll Sam burbled:

"I want the Britain back I grew up in, I look at those beautiful Ealing studio classics and see the land my father and grandfather fought to protect from invasion ..."

and

"Those arrows on the lead titles of Dad's Army aren't fictional, they are the reality of government policy to destroy this once great nation."

Says it all really. He wants to live in an old film (in black and white?) and he thinks the arrows in the Dad's Army title sequence represent waves of immigrants. Of course! That's why the arrows are black! [Slaps head.]

He's not in the real world at all. A few years ago the BNP (or it might have been the NF - they all look the bloody same to me) started an alternative football league table where goals scored by black players didn't count. I wonder who's top of the league now.

Some of us might sing songs about how jolly it was to be a farm labourer in the days before electricity, penicillin and employment rights, but we don't actually want to turn the clock back.

We are the boys of the BNP
Marching backwards into history.
We don't care for diversity,
We want to be in an old movie!

Subject: RE: BS: BNP in Luton
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 10:43 AM

I've already posted a message about this on the Codnor thread. Tug presumably didn't see it, but it would probably be better if we stuck to that one.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: theleveller
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 08:38 AM

Re: disgruntled Labout voters.

I think this is born out by the fact that the BNP's "success" in the East Riding in the European Elections to a large extent stemmed from the fact that Hull is the biggest conurbation in the constituency. Lots of disgruntled Labout voters and one of the most racist cities in the UK. It may also have been a protest against the elitist Conservatives and UKIP, who have previously dominated the vote. It's worth noting that the Green Party were only 20 votes behind the BNP.

Subject: BNP in Luton
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 08:14 AM

Go to this link to trybto stopman antio-islam march in Luton.


http://action.hopenothate.org.uk/page/speakout/luton

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 06:30 AM

I've just had a message from Hope Not Hate about an anti-Islamic march which is to be staged in Luton on September 19th. Part of it reads:-

"In a few weeks time, football hooligans, far right extremists and Islamophobes are planning to descend on Luton, with a simple goal - to whip up fear, religious tension and violence. And you won't be surprised to hear that the BNP are involved.

"The last time the anti-Islam protesters marched in Luton, gangs of thugs stormed the predominantly Muslim area of the town, smashing up cars and shopfronts along the way - and forcing law abiding men and women to flee or fight to safeguard their homes and families. Riot police had to be deployed and 35 people were arrested. We can't let this happen again."

The message goes on to request everyone to email the Home Secretary and the Chief Constable, via the following link, requesting them to ban the march.

http://action.hopenothate.org.uk/luton

Codnor showed how responsible anti-fascist protestors can be. We do not and should not expect anything but outright thuggery from demonstrators on the far right, and we cannot allow them to take over our streets.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 06:11 AM

Emma B and disgruntled ex-labour voters.

Yes, and let it not be forgotten that Enoch Powell doubled his vote in the 1970 general election. The first one after his infamous 'rivers of blood' speech.

Life would be a lot simpler if the enemy was confinded to gout ridden ex-colonels and litte englanders, who sign themselves 'Disgusted from Tunbridge Wells". But a large part of Fascism's support has always come from reactionary elements of the working class.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 05:41 AM

More history -

A Century of British Fascism

from the 1958-68 period

'the NF's voting base was disenchanted Labour voters in the major conurbations.'

and 1969-79

'The party's earliest activists had placed themselves and the NF to the right of the Conservative Party and had assumed that the NF would appeal predominantly to disgruntled ex-Conservatives, but the 1960s were to prove that a more significant source of support would be racist voters.
Many but by no means all were working class in origin, and many - but again by no means all - were usually Labour voters; they were often in inner-city working-class areas or on peripheral council estates, especially in provincial cities such as Leicester and Wolverhampton.
In fact, the NF was one of the first extreme-right parties in Europe to use crude expulsionist anti-black and anti-Asian racism as the prime basis of its electoral appeal.'


.....A failure to learn the lessons of the past by New Labour but not one lost on Griffin!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 05:13 AM

"if you look carefully at the results for the 1966 General Election results in Smethwick (scroll down), you'll see in the third position a party with an eerily familiar name, click on the link.
Smethwick (UK Parliament constituency)
It wasn't all hearts and flowers."

A little bit of history. The (former) British National Party was one of an assortment of right wing ragamuffin organisations from which the National Front was formed.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 10:39 PM

Come to think, most non-vampire Britons are asleep by now.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 10:29 PM

Here's a little poetry to cheer you up. A sentimental slice of English culture.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 10:09 PM

Yup..

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 10:06 PM

LOL ya dizzy bugger.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 10:04 PM

Oh dear, and I only learned about comma splices a couple of hours ago...

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 09:46 PM

And how are your knees after and evening like that?

You're a true poet mate, have a cigar :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 07:15 PM

If our spite shouting shite spouting little fascist chum were to be completely ignored, he'd go away. He's getting just what he wants at the moment. Just a suggestion.

On the other hand, it provides an opportunity to mock the afflicted without transgressing the rules of 'political correctness', and while he's preoccupied on here, he isn't out vandalising phone boxes.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Folkiedave
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 06:30 PM

if you look carefully at the results for the 1966 General Election results in Smethwick (scroll down), you'll see in the third position a party with an eerily familiar name, click on the link.
Smethwick (UK Parliament constituency)

Peter Griffiths who won in 1964 used the slogan "If you want a n***** neighbour, vote Labour. He stayed in the Tory Party and eventually became a much toned down (at least in public) Tory MP for Portsmouth North.

Adrew Faulds who won the seat back was of course a well-known radio actor (Journey into Space. loads of film and TV) and known as a bit of a left-winger in those days. He supported the Palestinian Cause quite vehemently.

But I digress. Sorry for the thread drift.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 05:40 PM

I wonder if Sam or whatever he/she is calling him/herself in this hour, is a Beatles fan? I ask because of this little snippet of information concerning a character in one of the tracks from Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band

What A Scene
and
Lateof Pablo Fanque's fair

Can this be the fantasy England of our reader? *LOL*

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 05:34 PM

And not just England (UK). Canada is a nation of immigrants.

The following is from Stats Can.

"Over the past 100 years, more than 13 million immigrants have arrived to forge a new life here, making Canada one of the world's most ethnically diverse countries. Most came from Europe during the first half of the twentieth century. Later on, non-Europeans started arriving in larger numbers as economic immigrants or refugees, or as family members of previous immigrants.

By 1970, half of all immigrants were coming from Caribbean nations, Asia and South America. In the 1980s, a growing number were arriving from Africa.


View data for Chart 13.1In the 1990s, 58% of Canada's immigrants were born in Asia (including the Middle East); 20% were from Europe; and 22% came from the Caribbean, Central and South America, Africa and the United States. Most (73%) settled in Toronto, Montréal and Vancouver, transforming the ethno-cultural composition and socioeconomic dynamics of these cities.

In 2001, 10.3 million people—nearly half of Canada's population aged 15 and older, not including Aboriginal peoples—reported British, French or Canadian ethnic origins, or some combination of the three, reflecting the long history of British and French peoples in Canada. Meanwhile, 4.3 million Canadians reported other European origins, 2.9 million reported non-European origins, while 3.3 million reported mixed ethnicity."

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 05:20 PM

Not just London!

There was a wave of immigration following the progroms against the Jews especially in the 1880s

"Those leaving the Russian Empire sailed from the ports on the Baltic coast, primarily Libau [now: Liepaja, Latvia], Königsberg [now: Kaliningrad] and Szczecin [Stettin, Poland].

Most dreamt of going to America, but those who could not afford the fare over the Atlantic Ocean took the short voyage to Denmark or Sweden, or further on to England, where either they would work hard trying to save money enough for the next part of the journey or subsequently choose to settle down and make their life.
For the majority of Russian emigrants whose planned destination was England it was often the case that they had the name and address of a friend or relative who would assist them on their arrival.

A report on Leeds in 1888, by the (UK) Select Committee on Immigration stated, "During the last twenty years there has been a steady influx of Polish-Russian Jews. The greater part come from the province of Kovno, and on starting, are often acquainted with but one word of English, 'LEEDS'."

Jews were attracted to this city by the rapidly expanding clothing industry where both wages and working conditions proved superior to those in London or Manchester."

The main community for Jews in Leeds was The Leyland; my ancestors eventually completed their diaspera over the Pennines but retained the name 'Leyland' (my maiden name) as a 'naturalized' family name.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 05:02 PM

Well, it goes back a lot further. The history of the Brick Lane areas of London, and all of the areas that a strong man could reach from Paddington station carrying a suitcase (once there were railways) will show you wave upon wave of immigrants taking shelter in England over the centuries and helping to forge the vigour of British life.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: The Barden of England
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 04:58 PM

Ollie Beak - that is so enlightening. Absolutely magic - thanks.
John Barden

I'm standing, and I'm happy to be counted

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 04:43 PM

Just relating some family history to illustrate a point, Peace. I have a full e-mail from my dad about growing up in Handsworth and it bears a far closer version of what one part of England was like.

And From Our Strange But True Department

if you look carefully at the results for the 1966 General Election results in Smethwick (scroll down), you'll see in the third position a party with an eerily familiar name, click on the link.
Smethwick (UK Parliament constituency)
It wasn't all hearts and flowers.

Stand and be Counted!

Olivia Beak (Ms0

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 04:31 PM

Olivia, you are one feisty gal. Good for you.

Barden of England: bravo.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 04:18 PM

"I want the Britain back I grew up in"
-GUEST Sam (or whatever your name is)

It never existed, except in Ealing films, and your, what passes for, a mind of course.

Britain had, long before your existence, a policy of immigration, I believe some groups were already in second or third generation removed from their ancestor's arrival, that was around the time of my dad's childhood, in the late fifties and early sixties, infact where he grew up in Birmingham, the neighbourhood (Handsworth) was what we would now call a multi-ethic area, and everyone played and hung out together with no problems at all. No, the real problem here is the BNP and their sort, and there are ways of solving the said problem.

Stand and be Counted!
Olivia Beak (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: The Barden of England
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 04:06 PM

Well GUEST-Sam, weren't 'Those arrows on the lead titles of Dad's Army' something to do with the way the Nazis had marched across Europe, and were threatening 'those beautiful Ealing studio classics' and 'the land my father and grandfather fought to protect from invasion'?
What an utter PRAT you truly are! You are one big idiot; try that for size.
John Barden

Oh, I now expect another fake John Barden to appear on various sites - you still don't bother me one whit - arseholes are useful - would that you had one!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 01:59 PM

"Delete my post if you wish, sometimes the truth is the hardest pill to swallow."

That's an excellent example of a comma splice.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 01:55 PM

what I actually said was....

"and doesn't even have half a brain, but that goes without saying"

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 01:53 PM

"Good God in the name of Christ will you allow people the right to vote, speak and express views without rattling on with silly unsubstantiated worthless cut and paste articles from some smart arsed student rag."
GUEST Sam or whomever

oh you mean support nonsense like This
get real and get a life, sushine!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 10:26 AM

And who daily have to battle with thier management whose only concerns areto keep within budgets (and when something goes wrong, pass the blame downwards).

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 09:48 AM

My comment was not part of the "Death with Dignity" debate but a reaction to the attack above on social workers, without whom a large number of people who need care services would not be supported.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 07:16 AM

Jeddy and others. Sorry that was just my way of saying that with all the bogies which the BNP seems capable of dreaming up, you'd wonder that any one of them would have the time to post so many troll messages on a board like Mudcat. The point as Ollie Beak seemed to pick up, was that fruitcake clearly only has half a brain.

On the other hand, surely anyone with half a brain would be overqualified for membership of the BNP?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 06:16 AM

Sam, or whatever name you are choosing today, you say you were at Codnor but your report seems strangely out of synch with this report from Reuters

'I went to the anti-fascist protest against the far-right British National Party's annual summer "festival" on Saturday fearing trouble….

But the atmosphere as hundreds of demonstrators from across Britain descended on the village Codnor in Derbyshire seemed more one of cheerful determination to celebrate and protect multi-cultural Britain than a belligerent mob set on fist-fighting in fields….

It seemed to me that the assembled variety of ages, races and religions perfectly reflected what is great about modern life in British cities.'

Perhaps you were one of the people, as reported in the Times online targeting children as recruits for the BNP's youth wing.

No doubt the 15 year old boy who tormented a 14 year old British born girl and fellow pupil of mixed heritage in Lincolnshire with taunts of 'wog', 'gorilla' and 'golliwog'. and 'Go back to your own country. You don't belong here.' until she attempted suicide was one such 'happy camper'

One thing for sure Sam, THESE people are NOT 'luvvies'

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: jeddy
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 06:15 AM

why would death with dignity, be a bad thing? i am not talking about the mentally ill here but people who will die an agonising and terrible death.

i know if i ever have to make the choice, i will choose death by herion overdose please.
first you are in cotton wool then you slip away without being aware that you have stopped breathing.

whay has this got to do with the BNP? they want to murder people not be sensitive to their suffering.

the other difference is the BNP want only to murder selected people as owen stated, i only want to stop sufering and degridation(?).
treating people with respect and humility is not something the BNP are known for.

on that cheery note i will get on with the seriously hard buisiness of waking up!

have a great day all

jade x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: sapper82
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 05:21 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: SPB-Cooperator - PM
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 06:35 PM

So what do you want to do with people who need social care? Exterminate them??????


Sadly, with the steady drip drip drip of consessions made towards assisted suicide, thanks to the "Death wih Dignity" campaigners, we are already well along the road towards that without BNP involvement.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 04:04 AM

Does that ranting buffoon (Sam) have any idea what he sounds like?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: theleveller
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 03:35 AM

Oh, Sam, I love your Hitleresque rantings - you really are a total caricature of yourself. It's wonderful to see someone like you pissing on their own bonfire.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 02:06 AM

You just don't get it, do you? I am really getting fed up of repeating this point over and over again.

If racist bigots who are committed fascists and neo-nazis want to vote for a nasty party that represents their nasty views, like the BNP, then it is their choice... at get on with it, and I don't give a toss what people like that vote for and to be frank we are better off when they are all in one party where they can rot in their own bile rather than spread their venom through mainstream politics and decent society.

What these protests are about is to draw attention to intelligent people who may be disillusioned with the main political parties to be aware of what the BNP stands for and the extent to which it is supported and organised by criminals including people who murder pregnant women. Do you think the court records in public domain are "smart-arsed student rags"?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Smokey.
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 10:04 PM

The people who fought WW2 were protecting us from Fascism, Sam, not immigrants. They would be disgusted to see the freedom they fought for abused and misused so as to allow fascism in through the back door.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Sam
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 09:38 PM

Good God in the name of Christ will you allow people the right to vote, speak and express views without rattling on with silly unsubstantiated worthless cut and paste articles from some smart arsed student rag.

Yes I attended the wonderful celebration of our heritage last Saturday, yes I saw "the great unwashed" arrive, frankly we viewed them as sad people out on their annual one day social occasion seeking to either make a deal for gear or to cause trouble. What in the name of God can a handful of luvvies ever hope to achieve by such actions ?

I want the Britain back I grew up in, I look at those beautiful Ealing studio classics and see the land my father and grandfather fought to protect from invasion and watch a Labour party filled with shirttail lifters standing on the cliffs of Dover with open arms to any Tom, Dick or Harry.

Those arrows on the lead titles of Dad's Army aren't fictional, they are the reality of government policy to destroy this once great nation.

Delete my post if you wish, sometimes the truth is the hardest pill to swallow.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Smokey.
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 08:43 PM

The Leveller and myself answered a guest posting with a perfectly valid and relevant point earlier, which has been removed. Perhaps it might be reinstated with a note about using multiple names? Censoring nutters is one thing, but this seems rather unnecessary.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Smokey.
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 07:25 PM

I think Owen was being a little ironic - he made perfect sense to me, but seems to have been misinterpreted by Ms Beak. (No disrespect intended)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: jeddy
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 06:39 PM

were you being very sarcastic owen? i can't work you out.

you seem to say one thing then, give a list of things that the BNP hate, was that just you simply pointing out that the cost of the protest pales in comparison? i hope so.

take care all

jade x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 06:35 PM

So what do you want to do with people who need social care? Exterminate them?????? Finally the BNP are showing their true face and the fact that they have no place in civilised society.

I've got an idea.... let them have their own way, and after 20 years suffering at their hands then the population might learn its lesson like it did after the 2nd world war.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Smokey.
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 03:19 PM

"I know my Dad and Grandad, if they were still alive,
would be sickened to the core to be tarnished by association
with these new fascist 'pro-services' hate groups."

You're damned right they would - and they'd have been working to oppose these fascists.

Fair point - anyone who saw the real potential of fascism and fought it would be deeply insulted.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 03:16 PM

"09 - 07:40 PM
The bnp doesn't deal in facts. It deals in innuendo, distortion, lies"
- Peace
and doesn't even have half a brain, but that goes without saying.

Stand and Be Counted!

Olivia Beak (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 03:09 PM

It seems this prat, Dave/Chris/Sam has now added Owen Woodson to the list of names being used, yeesh...and me oh my are YOU ever Racist/anti-Semetic

I should tell you though, Owen, I'm not white either, so you can me to your list of hates.

Stand and Be Counted

Olivia Beak (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 03:00 PM

Olivia Beak asks, "Why are we giving this prat, Dave/Chris/Sam, air time"

I agree. You'd think that, with the country sinking beneath the combined efforts of Muslims, left wing extremists, Westminster selloutpoliticians, gays, Jews, Travellers, more gays, Eastern Europeans, Roma, Asians, even more gays, social workers, wets, Irish republicans, Obama, students, The EU, long haired hippies, communist infiltrated police, Negroes, psychotherapists, people who don't believe in the master race, and yet more gays, he'd have other things to worry about.

Anyone with half a brain would have given up by now. Yes of course. That's it. Half a brain.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: theleveller
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 02:55 PM

"I know my Dad and Grandad, if they were still alive,
would be sickened to the core to be tarnished by association
with these new fascist 'pro-services' hate groups."

You're damned right they would - and they'd have been working to oppose these fascists.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 02:13 PM

Why are we giving this prat, Dave/Chris/Sam, air time I mean talk about a waste of space, besides which, he/she is simply winding us up, knowing which buttons to push and so forth. I find it extremely unlikely that the said personage was anywhere near Codnor, on either side of the fence.

Stand and Be Counted!

Olivia Beak (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 02:00 PM

To spell it out to you in small words that are not to hard for you....

They work,   they   do   not   claim   dole.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 12:41 PM

Sam, Chris or whatever your name is at the moment, you don't get it do you? or perhaps you just can't read

I said earlier that I protested at Codnor with a large group of people from the Public Service Union Unison, the National Union of Teachers, the National Union of Jounrnalists and members of Chesterfield Trades Council

These are white, black, Asian and Jewish workers who contribute to the economy of their country
- what do you do?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Smokey.
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 12:33 PM

The event caused the need for policing, the protest was a natural and justified consequence of the event. How much does it cost to police any other political rally? That was only a small one.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 12:12 PM

Troll, troll, troll, troll.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Sam
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 12:08 PM

"Half a million pounds to police this protest. Was it worth wasting taxpayers money ? "

The government should take it out of the protesters dole money.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 12:02 PM

The the good taxpayers should insist that the BNP pay back every last penny.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: theleveller
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 09:14 AM

"Half a million pounds to police this protest. Was it worth wasting taxpayers money ? "

A small amount compared to what it costs to police the "listening" station at Menwith Hill, for example. I know because my eldest son is one of the police who has to do it. By any comparison, the cost of policing the protest was money well-spent. Anyway, who was responsible for the need for a police presence - the protesters or the fascists?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: theleveller
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 09:06 AM

"theleveller, Why would you want Beverley to change venue ? I feel it certainly has a lot of advantages and it seems to go well. I would have to disagree with you, it would be a shame to move it. "

I think Chris is trying to say that he knows where I live. Well, look forward to meeting you if I haven't already.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 07:39 AM

Now half a million pounds to protect nazis from the righteous anger of the people, that's another question.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 07:37 AM

Apparently the cost of football-related policing in Strathclyde alone hit £4.87 million during the 2007-08 season

The clash at the Liberty Stadium last season between Cardiff and Swansea cost South Wales Police a whopping £107,718.
That policing figure includes the cost of officers on duty on the day, but not the wider costs incurred such as the months of planning and gathering intelligence on potential trouble-makers.
Chief Constable Barbara Wilding has said the total cost to the force in terms of resources was in the region of £250,000!

The number of arrests at football matches are available on the web In the season 2006/7 195 Manchester United fans were arrested

Now I'm not really a football fan but I AM a supporter of the legal right to protest against racism and hatred of my fellow man so yes....

worth every penny!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: The Barden of England
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 07:11 AM

Yes, every penny.
John Barden

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 07:04 AM

Half a million pounds to police this protest. Was it worth wasting taxpayers money ?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 07:40 PM

The bnp doesn't deal in facts. It deals in innuendo, distortion, lies. Period.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 05:15 PM

LONDON (Reuters) - Three people have been charged with racially aggravated public order offences after a group heading to a far-right British National Party camp on Saturday taunted anti-racism protesters, police said.

The three were among a group who crossed fields to get to the camp on foot under police escort as hundreds of demonstrators waving placards saying "the BNP is a Nazi party" blocked road access to the site.

Mon August 17

'Those few protesters that chose later to disrupt the otherwise peaceful nature of the protest were duly arrested - I have no problems with that; I would expect the police to do the same to BNP supporters who engaged in racist chants etc or other forms of anti-social behaviour.'

Emma B
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 12:44 PM

Still hard to believe even the BNP could be stupid enough to make racist taunts while actually under police escort! :)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 04:12 PM

Well Guest: Chris ...... what have you got to say??????

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 03:57 PM

oops forgot this..UKip have two MEPs from the Stoke area as well.....

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 03:55 PM

And the Abbey Green Ward

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 03:46 PM

Pity help anyone of a liberal persuasion who lives in Bentilee and Townsend.

BTW., the only really galling moment for me came when one of the speakers announced that one of his local councillors is BNP and his name is Michael Coleman.

God almighty! Ireland's most illustrious fiddler ends up sharing a name with that.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 03:37 PM

Lest we forget.
Stoke on Trent
and there's more where he came from, just follow the links!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 03:15 PM

Ruth and Royston and BNP arrests and stuff. Well blimey O Reilly. You could knock me dahn wiv a fevver. There wuz me finkin' them BNP types wuz ok cos they never caused no trouble nor nofink an' there orll ded constitootional, not like the other side. And three of them arrested aginst only one from that there UAF mob.

Police brutality it is guv. Police brutality.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 02:36 PM

Gawd bless you Ruth!

So, just to wrap this one up, it turns out the criminal charges score was:

BNP: 3, for racially aggrvated public order offences

UAF: 1, for obstructing the highway

Nuff said!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 02:21 PM

Well, here comes one of "Chris's" assertions (about those nice, peacable BNP members) shot down in flames:


LONDON (Reuters) - Three people have been charged with racially aggravated public order offences after a group heading to a far-right British National Party camp on Saturday taunted anti-racism protesters, police said.

Derbyshire police arrested 19 people during the mainly peaceful anti-BNP rally near a farm outside the village of Codnor where the BNP's Red, White and Blue festival was held over the weekend.

The three were among a group who crossed fields to get to the camp on foot under police escort as hundreds of demonstrators waving placards saying "the BNP is a Nazi party" blocked road access to the site.

The BNP, which campaigns to halt immigration and repatriate immigrants voluntarily, won its first two seats in the European Parliament in June.

Although it has no representatives in the British parliament, the party has won support from white voters angry about unemployment and access to public housing and other services during the worst recession in generations.

(Reporting by Daniel Fineren; Editing by Steve Addison)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 12:32 PM

The Hammerskin Nation is the most violent and best-organized neo-Nazi skinhead group in the United States.
A number of its members have been convicted of harassing, beating or murdering minorities

According to Ed Wolbank, past director of the Northern Hammerskins in St. Paul, Minnesota,

"Music is number 1.
It's the best way to reach people.
Through music people can start getting into the scene, then you can start educating them. Politics through music."

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 12:19 PM

Emma B. Yes, and the only reason the European nazis who attended the hatefest were allowed into the country was because of the EU regulations allowing free movement of EU member citizens. Something to which the BNP is utterly opposed.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 12:15 PM

and one who never made the festival....

American white supremacist Preston Wiginton was stopped by UK Border Agency officials at Heathrow Airport and sent back to New York, as he attempted to make his way to the festival.

Wiginton first appeared on the white nationalist scene in October 2005, not long after he turned 40, when he attended Hammerfest, a neo-Nazi skinhead festival in Draketown, Ga

One month after Hammerfest, he organized a lecture at Texas A&M University by anti-immigration extremist Frosty Wooldridge.

When about 100 anti-racist protesters surrounded Wiginton and Wooldridge in a "free speech zone," Wiginton threatened to "bring in the Hammerskins," apparently a reference to members of Hammerskin Nation, a nationwide coalition of violent skinhead gangs.

Wiginton's next public move was the NoAztlan aerial banner campaign. By his own account, he paid $5,500 for a gigantic banner that bore the message, "USA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT," a crossed-out Mexican flag and the Internet address of Wiginton's conspiracy theory website NoAztlan.Com (a reference to an alleged secret plan by Mexico to reconquer the southwestern United States)

The website it promotes contains an essay by Wiginton that describes non-white immigration as "an abnormal growth that is threatening the life of American culture and the life of American people. If action is taken, and time is of the essence, this cancer can be eradicated,"

He strategically limits his Jew-bashing and endorsements of racially motivated violence to his personal website and a handful of white supremacist online forums including Stormfront, which he joined in October 2006 using the screen name "Ruskybound."

He has since repeatedly boasted on Stormfront of his close relationship with Alexander Belov, the former spokesman for the Russian ultranationalist and virulently anti-Semitic group Pamyat.

last October he co-sponsored another lecture at Clemson with the Council of Conservative Citizens a white supremacist organization - this one by Nick Griffin, the Holocaust-denying chairman of the BNP.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: jeddy
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 12:12 PM

i don't normally advocate violence, but sometimes i think it might be easier.   it might sound like i was being serious, but i was more letting off steam. it is so hard to keep myself on a tight rein as far as my, not hatred but somewhere near it is concerned.

it is good to let it out sometimes.

don't worry, i would never actually do anything that would make me feel like i was doing anything that the BNP would aprove of.

this is why i am so for free speech, even if my whole body is screaming with distaste.

someone on here reminded me that, " i might not agree with someone but i will defend your' right to say it".

take care all

jade x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 10:16 AM

Jeddy. Careful. Griffin has already said he wants to get rid of British born 'immigrants' by throwing them out of a plane over Africa. I know you'd have to be going some, but let's not even try to sink to their level.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: jeddy
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 07:34 AM

what's beverly to do with the price of halibut? apart from wierd folks living there.

could we not throw the BNP out of a plane over the sea please, we could get a nice harmony of screams as they fall!

take care all   :0)

jade x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 07:17 AM

Personnally I would move it (the BNP not Beverley) to somewhere in the middle of the North Sea without a boat!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 06:04 AM

The Leveller. "In Chris's case, I think 'moderate' (intelligence)would be something of an over-statement."

Kinda looks that way to me. Otherwise, how do you explain his post of 17 Aug 09 05:53 AM?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Chris
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 05:53 AM

theleveller, Why would you want Beverley to change venue ? I feel it certainly has a lot of advantages and it seems to go well. I would have to disagree with you, it would be a shame to move it.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: theleveller
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 03:40 AM

"They are of moderate intelligence and education but lack the ability to speak well."

In Chris's case, I think 'moderate' would be something of an over-statement. It's just so easy to shoot his assertions down in flames that it's hardly worth bothering - waste of time getting into a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 07:39 PM

BTW, the name you seek is on the BNP membership list. That should narrow it down for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Chris
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 07:38 PM

I must have missed it Bruce, enjoy day there, love to Lisa.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 07:36 PM

Nope. You didn't miss it. I said it and now I know what I wanted to know. That's the last of our conversation fuckhead.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Chris
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 07:04 PM

Well peace, The BNP don't make idle promises. You were to make a public statement last Thursday, did I miss it ?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 06:49 PM

The biggest weakness the BNP have is people like "Chris". They are of moderate intelligence and education but lack the ability to speak well. That is, they seem unable to use fact, so in typical Nazi fashion they declare something to be so and wait for the facts to follow. When the facts don't follow--which they never do in Chris's case--he changes the topic. SSDD.

CONGRATULATIONS to all of you who went to show the BNP for what it is: scum. As for the remark about some protest guy smokin' a doobie and another person having some piercings and two people holding hands: that is rich. Rich indeed coming from a 'political party' like the BNP (I do not consider them such) that embraces people who think rape is just sex and women should shut up about it; a 'political part' that has so many convicts in the organization; a 'political party' that has members who take underaged teenaged girs into hotels; a 'political party' based on hatred and fueled by stupidity, alcohol and assorted perversions.

Good work all you ladies and gentlemen who spoke for people in places other than England.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 04:23 PM

You mean scary novels like "The Leopard's Spots" or "The Traitor" - or even "The Clansman"?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Lox
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 03:11 PM

No surprise to see that the claims made by the pro BNP lot here (AR etc) are not backed up with any evidence.

With imaginations like that they should stick to writing scary novels ...

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 03:00 PM

Royston. "On a demo-turnout of 1,500 people that's pretty amazingly good." Yes. I reckon we can be proud of what we acheived yesterday. No punch ups, no drunks, no rowdies, no trouble with local residents, and no litter. All we left was a message, loud, clear and unequivocal, that we will not tolerate nazism in this country under any circumstances.

That is the way to tackle these race hate scumbags. Start using violence, start mixing it with the police and we'll be the losers. Let Codnor be the touchstone for all future anti-fascist activity.

"Lambertus Nieuwhof". Isn't he the geezer who runs the BNP website?

BTW. The stewards announced that we got within 150 metres of the entrance to "mein campf". I've studied the google map of Codnor Denby Lane, blown up as large as I could go, and I reckon we were even closer than that. If I've figured out where those BNP brats were gawping at us correctly, then we must have stopped right by the entrance to the farm.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Dai
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 02:46 PM

Amazing the number of pro apartheid South African white supremacists who have become active in the neo nazi movement in the UK.

Socialist Unity has a good video clip of the right wing racist thugs being routed in Birmingham 2 weeks ago. "Nazi scum get out of Brum " has a poetic ring about it ...and as one of the commentators said on Socialist Unity the white supremacist thugs were shown up as a bunch of inept cowards!
Dai

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 02:29 PM

We all know what Guest "Chris" is, we know what his friends are. Now the dust is settling it is becoming clear that there were 19 arrests on the day for public order offences: mainly not obeying police orders on the route and boundaries of the protest and for obstructing the highway. Charges have only been brought against four people. Three for "public order offences" (this normally means failing to obey police directions) and one for osbtructing the highway. On a demo-turnout of 1,500 people that's pretty amazingly good.

Sorry Chris, no drugs, no violence, no weapons offences.

As Emma pointed out, inside the field we had headline speeches by convicted neo-nazi terrorists and the presence of all the usual rag-tag criminals (proof provided here ad nauseum) including Lambertus Nieuwhof who is a south african terrorist convicted of bombing a primary school and of course Nick Griffin (1998, convicted of incitement to racial hatred.)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 01:27 PM

Emma B. Good to see you yesterday, even if it was only very briefly. Keep the stuggle going.

"I can't see any mention of drugs or weapons - all the reports seem to indicate any 'weapons' used consisted of plastic bottles and bags of flour"

Of course you wouldn't. Guest Chris is just another BNP clone attempting to stir up trouble. (Thinks. perhaps that should be the same BNP clone under another name).

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 01:15 PM

Just as a point of contrast -

The BNP supporters at the camp were treated to an address by Roberto Fiore, the leader of the Italian far-right party Forza Nuova and a friend of the BNP leader Nick Griffin
He spoke to the Red, White and Blue Festival about the "threat" to Europe from Islamic extremism.

Mr Fiore, who once said he was happy to be described as a neo-fascist, was sentenced in 1985 to 10 years prison in Italy, in his absence, for being a member of the political wing of the Armed Revolutionary Nuclei, a fascist terror group.

The group's armed wing was implicated in the Bologna bombing of 1980, which killed 85 people. Mr Fiore's jail term was eventually "timed out" under Italy's statute of limitation laws, and he was able to return to his homeland in April 1999.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 01:08 PM

Well I think the police were great too in the support that they gave to our protest - even protecting our blockade from having cars driven through.

A police spokeswoman said they were pleased that the vast majority of the 1500 plus protestors had been peaceful and co-operative and acting assistant chief constable Steve Cotterill said: "We are pleased the protest has been mainly peaceful. We have made fewer arrests than last year."
Officers made a total of 19 arrests for "sporadic behaviour" - fewer than last year.

From todays press -
'Four people have been charged after a protest by about 1,500 people against the BNP's 10th annual Red, White and Blue festival in Derbyshire.
Three were charged with public order offences and a fourth with unlawfully obstructing the highway.'

I can't see any mention of drugs or weapons - all the reports seem to indicate any 'weapons' used consisted of plastic bottles and bags of flour

I travelled on an 'official' UAF coach - in fact absolutely no drugs (excluding cigarettes) or weapons were allowed on board.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Chris
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 12:49 PM

I think the police did a wonderful job yesterday. They made several arrests among the protestors, no BNP arrests. I see in todays paper some of the arrests were for drugs and weapons offences ! Not a very peaceful protest think I.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 12:44 PM

Chris, to quote from the Government website -

"The right to peaceful protest is a vital part of democracy, and it has a long, distinguished history in the UK. .

Taking part in a demonstration, rally or protest is a high-profile way to take a stand on issues important to you.

Protests can make a real difference – leading to changes in governmental policies and laws.

Peaceful protests allow people to come together and stand up for what they believe in, and can be a very effective way of promoting change

The Human Rights Act protects freedom of expression and freedom of assembly – these form the basis for your right to gather with others and protest.

The act forbids governments and other public bodies (including police) from violating these rights.
However, it does allow for some limitations on these rights in order to prevent unrest, violence and crime, and for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.

Police have a duty to provide protection and assistance for peaceful protests,

A sit-down protest or a blockade – even a peaceful one – can be stopped if it blocks road traffic or public walkways. Any racist chants or threats of violence – even in an otherwise peaceful protest – are not acceptable, and those involved could be arrested and charged."


Please note 'CAN be stopped'
Despite the very heavy police presence with several vans and five mounted police the road blockade remained without challenge
There were never any threats of violence against the few BNP 'spectators' despite the large difference in numerical strength.

Those few protesters that chose later to disrupt the otherwise peaceful nature of the protest were duly arrested - I have no problems with that; I would expect the police to do the same to BNP supporters who engaged in racist chants etc or other forms of anti-social behaviour.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 12:29 PM

Did it grate with you lot that the evil protestors were blocking the road while that nice nail bomber Copeland was victimised for just killing a pregnant woman and her unborn child, one other person and injuring dozens of others?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 12:23 PM

I'm am sure that the BNP members at the gathering were very careful to make sure that any illegal and/or racist language or behavior was not witnessed by the police or press or any decent human beings. The protest on the other hand was very public and not like the cowards who were probably ranting out of public view.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 12:07 PM

Superb report, Emma, as the press rarely reports on 99% of what happens at a gathering. Was there any positive feedback from local people?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Chris
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 11:53 AM

Well Emma B the event took place and was very well attended. I do hope none of you took part in any illegal acts. Were any BNP members or supporters arrested or was it just the illegals ?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: theleveller
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 11:51 AM

Thanks for your post Guest:Chris, it's reassuring to have proof of what we already knew - that BNP supporters really are a lower species of being with IQs less than the average plant. Please let's have some more comments from you - we all enjoy a good laugh :0

Emma and all the others who turned out, well done with your protest - wish I could have been there.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 11:37 AM

¡No Pasarán!

The coach I travelled in was 'assigned' to blocking vehicular traffic to the BNP camp at one end of Codnor Denby Lane - all 'local' vehicles were allowed through.

There were approximately 200 people representing a teachers union, Unison, the journalists union, Chesterfield Trades Council and some local people from the area of the camp - shock horror! some wore piercings and tattoos!

Alongside us the church on the corner of the junction held a multidenominational prayer service throughout with clergy from other local churches and offered us the use of their facilities - the toilet was met with particular gratitude.

Although there was a very large police presence (some chatted with us) the atmosphere was generally good natured with singing and chanting although two individuals wearing half race masks were questioned about their identity.
There were also present a number of easy visably identifiable 'legal observers' who attended these 'ad hoc' pavement interviews and searches

At no time were any batons even removed and, although the one occasion the horses were used to make room for police reinforcement vans to pass through was very intimidating - this too passed without any 'incident'.

I understand that after the main protest dispersed having reached the entrance to the camp site some people remained behind in an attempt to access the site and some of these were subsequently arrested.

It was nice to finally bump into Fred on the way back to the coach.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Steve Howlett
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 11:17 AM

The national news report focussed on the violence and arrests, and gave the fat Welsh git the opportunity to criticise the "liberal establishment" (what?) for allowing the demo in the first place, but I'm glad the message got through to the locals. If it happens next year, (which God and the local authorities forbid!) I may be there as I'm retiring soon and moving to Derbyshire.
(I haven't got any tattoos, but I sometimes wear an earring. And I don't smoke any more. Not anything. Not any more.)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: jeddy
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 10:42 AM

well noticed owen, i missed the irony.

i know i post here alot, but some people really need to have a life instead of sitting in front of their pc. bless him, i think he might hve some dodgy tattoos that he cannot show in public anymore, and is jealous that some of us have better taste.

take care all

jade x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 10:27 AM

Now I have seen everything. An apologist for the BNP complaining about tattooed skinheads.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 09:23 AM

Typical ... intellectually incapable of defending BNP so he plays the man instead of the ball. So the haircut of an anti-nazi protestor makes racism and fascism acceptable??? Answer the question if you are not too stupid.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 08:21 AM

Here's a troll, foll de roll.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Chris
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 08:06 AM

Did you see the quality of those protesting against the BNP on the news? One girl with a skinhead haircut and three rings throughher nose, another guy had his eyes rolling in his head holding a joint. Two men holding hands and hugging into eachother. The police should not have arrested them, most I saw seemed to require professional help ! LMAO

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 06:10 AM

I don't know whether this is just a bit of media hype, but I've found the following statement on AOL news:

"A three-day BNP festival is set to close after a major police operation to ensure a demonstration against the event passed off peacefully." The full story is at

http://news.aol.co.uk/protest-and-scuffles-at-bnp-event/article/2009081510431813948004

I can only say that it was a magnificent demonstration, that it left the good people of Codnor in no doubt over our feelings about fascism, and that a few minor incidents apart, it passed off peacefully.

Hopefully, if the BNP don't close their hate fest voluntarily then the local council will find some way of doing it for them. Otherwise, it will be a case of same time same place next year.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Aug 09 - 03:27 PM

If I were one of those arrested, I would be asserting that the police statement that (some) protesters "acted unlawfully" was a contempt of court under teh Contempt of Court Act. (clue, it all depends on the meaning of the word "impending").

I might go further and assert that it was a common law contempt too.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 15 Aug 09 - 03:16 PM

"Protesters arrested at BNP rally
A total of 19 people have been arrested after around 1,500 anti-fascist demonstrators joined a protest march near the site of a BNP festival."

Came up in the last hour.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Aug 09 - 02:44 PM

I hear on the wireless that there have been a number of arrests in Codnor - but I know not of whom.

I also hear that protestors tried to block junctions to prevent speakers arriving in time to speak. The events may be connected: there are ways and ways to block rods - but not many are lawful. Most amount to "obstructing the highway" - and oddly, one of the other bees in my bonnet is rights of highway.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 15 Aug 09 - 11:26 AM

From The Times August 13, 2009

Former football hooligans regroup in far-Right Casuals United

They see themselves as the vanguard in a battle for the soul of Britain against extremist Islamist forces — the "enemy within" bent on imposing Sharia. Casuals United announced their arrival on Saturday when a small army of shirt-sleeved, middle-aged men with beer bellies clashed in a flurry of punches and kicks with young Asians in Birmingham city centre.

The group, which is closely affiliated with the far-right English Defence League, insists that it is a peaceful movement representing ordinary working people angered by the sight of Muslims hurling insults at British soldiers on homecoming parades. But if the chants of "England, England" and the aggressive posturing appear familiar, it is because they are.

The members of Casuals United are largely former football hooligans drawn from the terraces and, according to their critics, are essentially the BNP and National Front repackaged. The groupings have attracted the support of BNP activists including Chris Renton, who created the English Defence League website.

Jeff Marsh, the leader of Casuals United, told The Times that the organisation was a "mixed-race group of English people, from businessmen and women, to football hooligans".

Related Links
Police ready for clashes at BNP gathering
We've lost faith in the police. But only they can put it right
Anti-Islam group in disarray after Birmingham riot
He said: "I came up with the idea to unite football fans to forget their petty rivalries and come together in a national movement. There are a lot of people in their forties and fifties who used to be hooligans but went on to settle down. A lot of young football fans want to get involved."

Mr Marsh, who holds a degree in criminal justice, claims to have support among serving soldiers and points to the activities of army wives on the website Armchair Warriors. "Their men can't be seen to be supporting us directly," he said.

The new beast on the far Right came to prominence when its members clashed with anti-fascist protesters in Birmingham on Saturday. Police made 30 arrests and are still studying closed-circuit television footage.

According to the anti-fascist group Searchlight, Casuals United was created after the trouble in March when Islamists demonstrated against troops returning from Afghanistan to Luton. Two months later, members of Casuals United marched through the town and last month they picketed an Islamic roadshow in North London.

Mr Marsh, 44, whose book The Trouble with Taffies is an account of football violence in South Wales, confirmed that the Luton parade had been the catalyst. He said that a generation of former football hooligans were stirred to action by the sight of Muslim extremists abusing the men of the Royal Anglian Regiment.

After the group was outnumbered by United Against Fascism in Birmingham on Saturday, Mr Marsh pledged that it would return to the city on August 30. The group is also planning a protest in Manchester in October.

The Casuals make full use of modern communications, using social networking websites, notably Facebook, where there are about 40 branches, many of which declare allegiance to various football clubs. The Arsenal branch sums up the group's manifesto, saying that it was formed to "protest peacefully against the Government allowing Islamic Hatemongers to live in our country while raising money for terror abroad, cursing our soldiers and trying to force Sharia law on us".

Gerry Gable, of Searchlight, said: "We predicted real trouble in Birmingham. They are not a non-violent group. They have been involved in trouble in Luton. There are connections between people who run far-right websites and we know the BNP were actively offering to find them people for both Birmingham and for [a demonstration] in Luton on August Bank Holiday".

Weyman Bennett, joint secretary of the United Against Fascism group, said: "Nobody should be taken in by the pretence that these marches and rallies are not aimed at whipping up race hatred against Muslims and Asians. They are racist demos and we should not allow them to take place."

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 15 Aug 09 - 11:06 AM

The cops (?) put a limit on the number of people who could be in the 'protest' area.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: jeddy
Date: 15 Aug 09 - 06:58 AM

they are following the protest on bbc radio derby online.

only 900? i wonder how many coaches they turned away?

will look forward to hearing how it went, i wish i could have gone!! :(

take care all

jade x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Aug 09 - 11:47 PM

The police statement seems relatively sensible, but handsome is as handsome does and we will see.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: jeddy
Date: 14 Aug 09 - 05:37 PM

i was undecided whether to go or not. after reading that i think it wiser to follow progress on the news and radio. i was going to drive there at about 10.30 ish but it sounds like i would get nowhere near the place let alone find somewhere to park.

i will be with you all who are there,in heart and soul though and i will try to convince the weather to be kind to you.

take extra special care all.

jade x x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 14 Aug 09 - 03:13 PM

I've just found a news report about tomorrow's protest which folks may find of interest. http://www.ripleyandheanornews.co.uk/news/Police-warn-of-disruption-in.4396897.jp

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 14 Aug 09 - 08:15 AM

Edmund Burke possibly did not state
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

but he did say -

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."

and

"There is however a limit at which forbearance ceases to be a virtue."

remember
"Evil is not neutral and there can be no neutrality exercised toward it.
Anyone who is not against it is perforce in favour of it."
- Haaretz

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Aug 09 - 07:51 AM

A reminder of who fairplay's democratic friends are lest we forget who we are talking about.
From Martin Walker's history 'The National Front - the fore-runner to the BNP before they went 'respectable'.
Jim Carroll

The most enjoyable part of the camp was the opportunity to get away from the cosmopolitanism of the cities and to live in the manner of our forefolk amidst the beauties of our own Northland, England. None will forget the comradeship round the campfire, with songs of our race and nation upon our lip and tankards of English ale in our hands.

We are the front fighters of the BNP,
True to our soil and people we will be.
Red Front and Jewry will finally fall;
Our race and nation will smash them all.

Policy statements:
Send those coloured immigrants already here back to their homelands.
Impeach the Tory Cabinet and the 1945-50 Labour Cabinet for their complicity in the black invasion and hold a trial of all those journalists who have aided and abetted them.

At the age 18, the half-caste would be given free passage to the country of its choice or he or she would be allowed to remain in Britain, enjoying all rights and privileges, including marriage, except for the fact that he or she would be legally enforced to undertake sterilization, under correct medical supervision.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,ifor
Date: 14 Aug 09 - 03:02 AM

The BNP's hate fest will be attended by fascists from across Europe.Among those expected will be representatives from nazi gangs in Hungary who recently rampaged through a Roma village attacking a young pregnant woman and a girl.
They will be met by anti fascists including trade union delegations from the RMT and civil service unions.
The nazi BNP wants to toughen up its street fighters and thugs in parallel to its "respectable" electoral front.
When a far right gang of thugs tried to march through the Bullring last weekend they were met by hundreds of anti fascists and were firmly sent packing.
Codnor will be surrounded by police tomorrow but it is still very important to show that when the nazi BNP organises its fascist activities it will be met in large numbers by anti fascists!
IFOR

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Mr Red
Date: 13 Aug 09 - 06:23 AM

It is a truth undeniable. Large crowds are there to demonstrate the strength of feeling, and large crowds are dangerous.

You can blame all the agitators you want (and they will be there) but it is all to easy to make a large crowd look like a brawl. Don't forget there are those that actually like fighting, being hurt is a badge of office. And large crowds hide miscreants all to easily.

Have your video phones ready at all times, and let people know you are using them. (put them on a loop around your wrist or waist or they will get knocked and dropped). And use them on the crowd not the police, the enemy lurks within. The agitators will move away from video evidence or try to damage it. Either way - they are revealed. If video phones are universally visible there is nowhere to hide.

Vigilence is your protection, then you can get on with the job in hand - showing your strength of feeling.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 12 Aug 09 - 01:58 PM

"That isn't being racist, that is fact."
-Guest AR

That's what they all say, and then the knives and guns come out.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 12 Aug 09 - 12:37 PM

"I suspect there will be a large amount of public disorder on Saturday."

Not if I've got anything to do with it there won't. That's exactly what the BNP want. Let's make it vocal and visual and send the message home to the entire far right that we will not tolerate facsist vermin under any cicumstances. But we can do that pefectly well without resorting to public disorder.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Almost everyone in Derbyshire
Date: 12 Aug 09 - 12:20 PM

I am so deeply ashamed and massively offended that the BNP have chosen Derbyshire for their yearly event. I can assure everyone that this is not because we support them. We hate them with as much hatred as is possible. I hate them even more because they chose our beloved Derbyshire. They have simply got an understanding farmer in Derbyshire.

I shall be there. Lots of my friends will be there. We will do everything in our power to prevent them spreading their fascist shite.

I would rather die than let them grow stronger.

I suspect there will be a large amount of public disorder on Saturday.

Stay safe (stay off camera if you can't)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 11:19 AM

As well as the Codnor protest there will be an anti BNP demo in LKiverpool next Thursday August 5th outside Dale st Magistrates court starting at 9-30.

It is in protest at BNp activist Peter Tierney and two others, who are being prosecuted for assaulting a member of the public in Liverpool while they were handing out leaflets. The BNP are calling on their members to support Tierney, despite his being known to the police for other incidents in the past. We ought to turn out in force and pecefully make it plain that we won't tolerate violent fascists.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Leadfingers
Date: 26 Jul 09 - 08:33 PM

I think I would rather go to White Horse Folk Festival !
But at least this will bring it back to the top !

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 25 Jul 09 - 08:50 PM

This talk about blaming immigrants for economic woes reminded me of a quip and an response.

"What this country needs is a good five-cent cigar."

The add-on is priceless:

"Well, we have one. The trouble is it costs a quarter [25 cents]. What this country really needs is a good five-cent nickel."

Immigrants are easy to blame woes on. They do not however explain world economy and its collapse. Hell, I guess if y'all need someone to blame, James Grover Thurber had the answer for you. Blame the rabbits!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 25 Jul 09 - 07:51 PM

EU rules allow migrant workers to claim benefit for children who are in a different country, after working and paying taxes here for a year.
But they cannot legally do so in two countries at once
wo years ago in 2007 it was found that some Polish workers in Britain were illegally claiming child benefit in both the UK and their home country

The UK government estimates that it loses approximately £2bn to benefit fraud every year - and the Polish child benefit claims would be just a very small part of that total.

I'm afraid AR that most of that fraud is 'home grown'

For example
Richard Mulhall, the BNP's council group leader in Calderdale, was sentenced to do 200 hours of unpaid work on four counts of benefit fraud
He was also ordered to pay £2,000 costs and to repay £603.18 in jobseekers' allowance.
He had already repaid the housing benefit and council tax benefit. A jury had found him guilty in October of falsely claiming a total of £3,002.95 in benefits by concealing the fact that his partner was working.

Eastern European migrant workers have limited access on arrival to the welfare state, other than to child benefit which is a universal payment.

Of the 600,000 workers who had registered in the UK in between 2005 and 2007, some 16,868 had applied for some form of income support but the vast majority were turned down.

HM Revenue and Customs, which is in charge of recovering the money, said in a statement: "HMRC takes all allegations of fraud extremely seriously and is looking carefully at the controls in place to ensure all claims are legitimate.
"The UK is working very closely with all its European partners, including Poland, to meet our obligations under EU rules and prevent fraud. We have robust procedures in place."


So what's the reality ?

'Forklift truck driver Peter Rapacz, 36, works for a fruit packing firm in Peterborough, Cambridgeshire, while his family remains in Poland.
He lives in a £150-a-week rented house, which he shares with four lodgers.

He sends home half his weekly after-tax wage of £240. In addition, the family receives £33 in child benefit for their two children which is also paid into an account in their home town of Olsztyn, in the north of the country.

How much tax is he paying or putting money into the UK economy to receive this princely weekly sum of £33?

Strangely enough this information was buried at the bottom of a Daily Mail 'shock horror' report in 2007

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Anne Rees
Date: 25 Jul 09 - 07:09 PM

Peace, I'm not Al. Sorry for confusion, I just saw there is a member called AR.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,AR
Date: 25 Jul 09 - 07:05 PM

Not quite correct Emma. Britain's taxpayers are forking out more than £21million a year in child benefit for youngsters living in Poland, official figures reveal.

A loophole in EU regulations means migrants from other EU countries who are seeking work in the UK can claim state handouts for children they have left behind in their home countries.

The total benefits bill for the Treasury is likely to be closer to £50million a year when other Eastern European countries are included.

In addition, ministers refuse to reveal how much more is being paid out in tax credits. Last night, the revelations prompted demands for a shake-up of the rules, with critics complaining of a "Government-sanctioned scam" at a time when millions of British children remain in poverty.

Britain's child benefit payments of £941 per year for a first child or £629 per year for younger siblings are far higher than the equivalent paymentsin Eastern European states that are new EU members.

The Polish benefits system, for example, pays a maximum of around £160 per year in child benefit.

Investigations have found that many workers moving to Britain are fraudulently claiming family benefits in both countries, exploiting lax checks and poor information sharing between member states.

Figures released by the Treasury in answer to Parliamentary written questions from the Conservatives show that at the end of September 26,000 Polish children from 16,286 families were being paid child benefits by UK taxpayers.

That means 16,286 first-born children were receiving the full £18.10 per week with the remaining 10,000 getting the lower payment of £12.10 per week.

The figures show that the number of claimants is soaring.

In June last year, the Treasury said 14,000 families from eight Eastern European states were claiming the benefits - around 10,000 were estimated to be Polish.

Go read - if you can read any further than scare headlines.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 25 Jul 09 - 06:51 PM

The Home Office research published last year demonstrated that immigration has contributed £1,650 to every British person's economic output over the last ten years.

AR you remind me of the BNP supporter who, when interviewed on the radio, claimed that legal immigrants from the EU were 'taking all our jobs' AND living off benefits!
Now make your mind up!

I think I've already posted at great length else where the very strict criteria about who can claim benefit in this country and how long they have to be in employment and paying tax to be eligible for any benefits
Eastern Europe immigrant's children from Romania for example were not even eligible for financial assistance with school meals

Go read - if you can read any further than scare headlines

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 25 Jul 09 - 05:07 PM

BTW, Al, you neglected to mention hundreds of people in the UK who have nothing but contempt for the BNP.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 25 Jul 09 - 04:46 PM

Please package that stuff. We need it for the roses.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,AR
Date: 25 Jul 09 - 04:42 PM

This has to be the most boring series of threads on mudcat EVER !
What can we do about it ? Do you think the BNP will read anything here and say "Oh, let's pack up shop, a guy in Canada calls us names and a few Americans dislike us".

Leave them to it and get on with your lives. The BNP did not gain seats in government because the country is heading back into the dark old days of 1933, the BNP gained seats because the government made a mistake in not placing limits on Eastern Europeans flooding into the UK.

Great to see them over here if it's to benefit the nation. All I see around me is Eastern Europeans that can't speak English and don't seem to want to try. Few want employment as having their children in the UK seems to pay better.

The government can't cope, schools can't cope, hospitals can't cope and before too long the Social Security budget won't be able to cope !

That isn't being racist, that is fact.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: jeddy
Date: 25 Jul 09 - 03:58 PM

thanks guest FaF i have PM ed joanie to see if stuff will be ready for the day. no reply yet but i will let you all know.

take care all

jade x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 24 Jul 09 - 06:39 AM

Crow Sister. I think it was Winston Churchill who once asked "why look in the crystal ball when you can read the book?" The book he referred to was of course Mein Kampf. If anyone today wants to know what a British fascist government would do to its opponents, there is any number of histories of the third reich which will tell them.

"I understand that BNP if ever to gain power, would eject all non white immigrants to UK, and indeed their descendants.
What are/would be their policies about All-White British-Nationals who currently democratically object to their policies - if they were to gain power?
Would any White British National who objected to (even perhaps peacefully demonstrated against) their policies of ejecting non-Whites, be ejected and 'sent elsewhere' too?
I'm just curious really."

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,guest FaF
Date: 24 Jul 09 - 03:21 AM

If you would like to, please contact one of the admin through the FaF facebook page, they can then provide you with downloads of the logo for your banner and any other things you may need. Stickers/shirts/badges are ready, we are just waiting for a PO bo address to be able to sell them through the post.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: jeddy
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 09:56 PM

what is with the homophobic stuff? if you have to use it could you at least make it funny or witty? .... no wonder you both have shit for brains, you are up each others arses.....
nothing personal but i can tell you stuff like that gets very boring to hear, like the word dyke, it is more a fact than an insult.we have just had a new wave of this type of thing where we live and it would impress me if they could come up with something better.

we might make it but it depends on what the family want to do. as it is the weekend they are the only days that dad gets off work. i really hope the t shirts are ready by then because even if i can't be there i could wear my shirt with pride.and leaflets of course.

take care all

jade x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 08:49 PM

Real Ralphie is right - fake Ralphie merely demonstrates how silly the (the fake) is.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 07:51 PM

Just to clarify...the "GUEST" Ralphie above was not me....
Bastard

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 12:50 PM

I'm ready to talk facts and issues, too. When "George" or "Fearploy" are ready.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 12:03 PM

George,

'Peace' is making his own point. I'd say don't be scared off by that. Some people here are ready to talk facts and issues should you choose to raise any.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 11:56 AM

I understand that BNP if ever to gain power, would eject all non white immigrants to UK, and indeed their descendants.

What are/would be their policies about All-White British-Nationals who currently democratically object to their policies - if they were to gain power?

Would any White British National who objected to (even perhaps peacefully demonstrated against) their policies of ejecting non-Whites, be ejected and 'sent elsewhere' too?

I'm just curious really.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,George Davis
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 11:42 AM

Sadly this has slowly become another thread of insults and has lost it's way from the original intention.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 11:36 AM

fairplay,

I pay attention to all your posts. In the matter of yours @ 10:59, is there a point you'd like to make?

I'd hate you to think you were just being ignored.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 11:13 AM

"More attempted intimidation and mob rule from the UAF militia. This is the threat to democracy."

What twaddle, piffle, codswollop, balderdash: in short, what shite. That remark from you fearploy? I am atwitter, agog, at odds and ends, at sixes and sevens. To see a cross-dresser of your renown say such a thing is tantamount to treason as far as the BNP is concerned. You have diminished the stalwart reputation of the filthiest group of crap to enter the political arena in decades. Why, not since Hick Griffiths assumed the helm of the good ship--have you noticed he's gained about three stone since he got into politics? Is he spending too much time in the beer halls? Medical condition? Do you know? Anyway, stop taking me off course.

I hope you have a lovely day.

Nice dress, btw.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 11:01 AM

Hey. It's my favourite poof. How ya doin'? Did you see "George" yet?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: fairplay
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 10:59 AM

http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/?p=1307

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 09:32 AM

People to watch for.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 09:30 AM

Not anymore.

GRIFFITHS

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 09:29 AM

No, Griffin.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 08:52 AM

Is Nick Griffith still the head of the BNP?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 08:46 AM

George Davis is a BNP supporter. He's the poof wot 'angs with Fairplay.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,George Davis
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 08:23 AM

THREE BNP THREADS IS TOO MUCH, PLEASE CLOSE TWO OF THEM.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 08:20 AM

Guest "Ralphie" -

Get back under your rickety-rackety bridge before I fetch Great Big Billy Goat Gruff to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 06:08 AM

I'm expecting that "Guest Ralphie" above is the same lackwit who is impersonating Ralph Jordan on FaF

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 05:27 AM

Royston. You've summed it precisely and concisely.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 05:05 AM

Troll...

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 05:02 AM

Ralphie, the intention is not that anyone should be afraid. We're not bothered about having any impact or discussion with the hardcore in the field, because I suspect that they are just too far gone. It's about showing a mass disapproval of BNP fascism and grabbing the media. If some inside the field get the sense that the BNP might not be what it claims to be then great, that would be a happy bonus

More importantly its about decent, concerned folk having the chance to add their weight and to have their voice heard in a collective "shout" against fascism.

Nobody will notice Darby, Joan or Royston but we will know that we were there and that we made the effort along with the two to three thousand other people that together made a big statement. That's what is really important.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 04:51 AM

Christ I imagine the BNP will be soooooooooo afraid when the "Derby and Joan Folk club" arrive. I would almost go myself to see this. LMAO

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 04:30 AM

Royston. I'll be making a mad dash over from Merseyside and travelling by myself. All being well, I'll be there by 11am, but hold ups, delays and best laid plans etc. If somebody could knock up a suitably large FAF banner then I and others will know which contingent to steer towards. Even better, if said contingent could sing some anti-fascist/anti-racist songs, that would help the demonstration along no end.

"Fred, we could look at grouping together.
The demo assembles in the village from 9am.
There are speeches at 11am, then the march to the "field of shame", or as close as the police will allow.
So we could gather at a landmark in the village or one of us can attach a FaF guitar logo to placard as a visual reference. Good idea."

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 03:41 AM

Of course I could be clearer myself...

UAF has a policy of attacking the BNP with facts and information but principally by way of massed demonstration and non-violent direct-action (like egging Nazi Nick or just following him everywhere with the placards and the factsheets).

Hope not Hate's tactic is based on getting the facts and information out by way of media domination and community-based education actions like the "not in my name" campaign which encourages a broader range of people to sign up for anti-fascism, joining a number of famous people, principally from the world of Music and the arts. It's a rerun, and very effective, of Stop the War Coalition's "not in my name" campaign against the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Social/Political campaigning has always needed both sort of groups and I'm proud to give my money to both of these.

Look through the news and other pages of UAF and HnH and you'll see a united front of cooperation in campaigns and ojbectives. Exactly as it should be.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 03:01 AM

Fairplay, you really are a fool.

Hope not Hate is a campaign by Searchlight - the rather famous anti nazi / fascist group. It is significantly supported by may people/companies including, notably, the Daily Mirror. It is also supported by the TUC. Many of the HnH local brances *are* UAF branches.

HnH and UAF work together constantly, as UAF is a banner organisation trying to collate support against the facsists. SWP, like HnH are one of the partners in ant-fascist activism. UAF is not a *front* for anyone. You could accuse it perhaps of being a front for UCU (University and College Union) because they provide a lot of UAF's facilities and practical support, but that would not be a true accustion either. Is UAF a front for the TUC; because it receives a lot of backing there? Or a front for the trade union UNITE; because they are a large stakeholder?

What names on google? What will we see? I've tried and I don't see anything.

If you've got something to say, then say it clearly.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: fairplay
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 02:44 AM

Yes, the rival Hope Not Hate regard the UAF as a front for the SWP...check out the top names on Google and you'll see why.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 05:03 PM

Richard, there are no guarantees about this, but I suspect the police will be hoping the event will be dispersing by 2-3pm. The program appears to be speeches and rallying in the centre of Codnor at 11am, procession towards the field straight afterwards. I can definitely keep you posted by 'phone on the day.

Not sure about postcode but Codnor is an ickle place. It'll be in the SatNav as a recognised placename and that's all you'll need to find the action.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 04:55 PM

Liz, actually UAF don't sell those shirts, you can get them from the manufacturers - Philosophy Football

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 04:24 PM

I'll be late: probably leaving Kent about 9 am, Lincoln about noon, and at the aptly named condom 2 or 3pm.

Postcode?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 04:14 PM

You can get 'Hope Not Hate' t shirts from here:

Lancaster Unity - T shirts

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 04:06 PM

No BNP Festival site


Taken from the above:

>>>>>>Representatives of the Amber Valley and Derby Campaigns Against Racism and Fascism and Notts Stop the BNP campaign met in Heanor, Derbyshire on Saturday, June 20th to discuss plan for the protest against the BNP's Red, White and Blue festival this year, 2009.

The meeting agreed to organise a protest again this year's BNP festival on August 15th convening in Codnor Market Place. The protest will begin with as many local activists as possible assembling from 9 am. We expect contingents to arrive from elsewhere in the country leading up to a National Rally at 11 am with a demonstration to follow that.

The meeting agreed that the the objectives of the protest against the BNP's RWB festival will be:

to bring together those who oppose the BNP in a peaceful and unified show of mass opposition to this major national event of theirs;
to make clear to participants in the BNP event that they are not welcome in attempting to use Amber Valley as a base for their activities;

to attempt to make our protest seen by as many as possible of those thinking of attending the festival;

to encourage opponents of the BNP in the Amber Valley district and wider area to continue to campaign against the divisive policies of the BNP and the violent activities of their members;

to safeguard as much as possible the safety of those protesting.
Representatives from all of the campaigns planning the protest will be meeting on a weekly basis from now on up until the event itself. A number of organisations, such as UAF and Hope not Hate, had to send their apologies. It is hoped that they, along with sponsors of the event last year, will be able to attend the next major planning meeting planned for July 18th in the centre of Nottingham. The details of this will be sent to last year's sponsoring organisations and posted on this website soon.

This website will again be used to keep people informed of this protest as well as other campaigning activity in the Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire area. For further information please contact the email address associated with this website nobnpfestival at riseup.net
<<<<<<

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 04:06 PM

As it happens, I will be in Lincoln that day, so might be able to make it over. It ain't far from there.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: jeddy
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 03:17 PM

i can't be there either but look forward to seeing or hearing on the news that our folkie familiy(brain blank) have been singing at the bastards!!!    lets face it there are loads of songs to choose from.

i can see sessions happening too if it isn't raining that is. fingers and toes crossed!!!!!!!!!!!!

take care all

jade x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Penny S.
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 02:46 PM

Would it be possible to do folkie things among the protestors just to emphasis that they don't own them?

I feel a bit apologetic about making this suggestion as I can't be there, and am a bit of a chicken.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 12:57 PM

Sounds like a good idea Royston - can you post any details here please and maybe an opportunity to share lifts too

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 12:30 PM

Fred, we could look at grouping together.

The demo assembles in the village from 9am.

There are speeches at 11am, then the march to the "field of shame", or as close as the police will allow.

So we could gather at a landmark in the village or one of us can attach a FaF guitar logo to placard as a visual reference. Good idea.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 07:06 AM

I shall be there. Is there any chance we can form a Folk Against Fascism contingent?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 05:37 AM

Are we allowed to bring tar and feathers ? If so, just point out fairplay to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 02:46 PM

Well said, Dai. As for their organization, they'd screw up a one-car funeral.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Dai
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 02:38 PM

Well said Royston!
The BNP is an organisation made up of race haters,hardcore nazis,anti semites and street thugs. Its original leader,Griffin's predecessor John Tyndall, can be seen on "google images" posing in full nazi regalia in front of a large swastika and a framed photograph of Adolph Hitler.
If these characters who are filled with violence and race hatred ever came to power we would see a grotesque rerun of Hitler's Germany with trade unionists, ethnic communities ,leftists, Jews, moslems,the diabled,gays and working class organisations all at risk.
We really can't allow this bunch of thugs to get even more organised.The BNP is being joined at its race hate fest by a grisly collection of fascist and racist thugs from across Europe....I hope they get the welcome they so richly deserve.
Dai

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: jeddy
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 02:18 PM

good idea smokey.
peferrably a video camera so you have proof that you are the innocent ones. and against the police too, you know how they can get!!!

jade x x x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Smokey.
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 02:14 PM

Pity, I thought it involved old kettles and lard..

I'm not very far away from Codnor but I've a baby being born around the 5th so I doubt if I'll be there. I'll certainly tell everyone I'm in contact with locally though. Good luck, and take a camera.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 01:49 PM

fairplay;

Kettling?

It's the lawful [allegedly] tactic the state deploys against left-wing protestors at demonstrations; to herd them into a confined space. The term is used with some degree of irony! For a few hours on the 15th August, we want the symbolic appearance of the BNP "kettled" inside its field (which is exactly where the folks in the field have chosen to be anyway)

We are cooperating, and negotiating the extent of our lawful protest, with Derbyshire Police Service and the police directions will be observed in full. Entirely fair and lawful.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 01:32 PM

"It would be really neat if people could take some pics of the poor sods who are in or support the BNP. They'd look lovely with their cute little faces on the www."

I think that is what fairplay is trying to say.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 01:21 PM

See what I mean?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: fairplay
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 01:19 PM

Kettling?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 01:19 PM

Use small and simple words on the posters and placards. From what I've seen, most of the BNP can't read very well.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 01:12 PM

Now fairplay, waving placards under police supervision doesn't really amount to a militia, does it?

What is undemocratic about it? BNP holds a political rally over three days, we hold a morning's authorised peaceful protest against the BNP. It's all quite equitable, lawful and democratic. Everyone has the right lawfully to protest against whatever they want lawfully to protest against.

The only militia appears to be Nazi Nick's mates at Redwatch and C18. Oh, and the long list of BNP core-members with convictions for terrorism and violence.

We will have teachers, social workers, musicians, students, housewives waving placards asking folks to be nice to each other. On the BNP side there will be criminal thugs taking pictures of those innocent members of the public and posting their details on the internet with instructions to find them and do them harm.

So don't start about poor old democratic, cuddly BNP-folk.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: fairplay
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 12:31 PM

More attempted intimidation and mob rule from the UAF militia. This is the threat to democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: jeddy
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 11:09 AM

oh bum i didn't see this as a different thread, i have replied to you via the FaF thread.

jade x x x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 10:40 AM

Unite Against Fascism is calling on anti-fascists across the country to converge on Codnor, Derbyshire, at 9am on Saturday 15 August to protest against the British National Party rally taking place in the village that weekend.

UAF supporters intend to "kettle" the rally by surrounding it with protesters. This action will demonstrate that the vast majority of people in this country reject the Nazi politics of the BNP.


The BNP pretends that its annual "Red, White and Blue" event is a harmless family-oriented "patriotic" festival. In reality it is aimed at promoting the BNP's fascist agenda to both its hardcore followers and its softer supporters. Previous years have seen SS marching songs played as "entertainment" at the rally.

The rally will also be a magnet for neo-Nazis across Europe. Last year the BNP invited guests including Czech neo-Nazi Petra Edelmannova who has called for a "final solution to the Gypsy issue" and Sweden's Marc Abramsson, a Swedish fascist who campaigns for "racially pure kindergartens" that exclude non-white children.

This year's guests are likely to include representatives of Jobbik, a violently racist Hungarian Nazi party that organises pogroms against Roma people.

Weyman Bennett, joint secretary of Unite Against Fascism, said:

"The BNP's 'Red, White and Blue' is a nothing more than a festival of race hatred. The fascists will use their rally to harden up its supporters and build its army of thugs. Wherever the BNP organises, racist violence follows.

"Allowing this festival to go ahead will mean more race hatred and racist attacks on our streets in the months to come. That is why it is so important for anti-fascists to come to Codnor in huge numbers to surround the BNP's rally.

"The presence of two BNP Nazis in the European parliament also poses challenges for anti-fascists. We need to build the broadest possible movement against the BNP with roots in communities across the country."

Subject: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 10:38 AM

For anyone interested in a tangible action against the fascist menace of the BNP, I urge you to join in the protest against them at their "Red, White & Blue" rally in Codnor, Derbyshire on 15 August.

Unite Against Fascism Have called for a mass demonstration at the village of Codnor in which the hardcore rag-tag bunch of racists and Nazis will be effectively "Kettled" in their lonely field of shame.

The demonstration will be civil, peaceful. It has the consent of the local authorities and Derbyshire Police.

Get the A5 FLYER

Coaches have been booked from around the country - for a list of embarkation points and contact numbers for booking of places, go to COACHES

Or make your own way to Codnor with a view to assembling at 09:00 on 15 August 2009.

Check the Unite Against Fascism Website for updates.