BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 02:29 PM

We all know what Guest "Chris" is, we know what his friends are. Now the dust is settling it is becoming clear that there were 19 arrests on the day for public order offences: mainly not obeying police orders on the route and boundaries of the protest and for obstructing the highway. Charges have only been brought against four people. Three for "public order offences" (this normally means failing to obey police directions) and one for osbtructing the highway. On a demo-turnout of 1,500 people that's pretty amazingly good.

Sorry Chris, no drugs, no violence, no weapons offences.

As Emma pointed out, inside the field we had headline speeches by convicted neo-nazi terrorists and the presence of all the usual rag-tag criminals (proof provided here ad nauseum) including Lambertus Nieuwhof who is a south african terrorist convicted of bombing a primary school and of course Nick Griffin (1998, convicted of incitement to racial hatred.)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Dai
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 02:46 PM

Amazing the number of pro apartheid South African white supremacists who have become active in the neo nazi movement in the UK.

Socialist Unity has a good video clip of the right wing racist thugs being routed in Birmingham 2 weeks ago. "Nazi scum get out of Brum " has a poetic ring about it ...and as one of the commentators said on Socialist Unity the white supremacist thugs were shown up as a bunch of inept cowards!
Dai

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 03:00 PM

Royston. "On a demo-turnout of 1,500 people that's pretty amazingly good." Yes. I reckon we can be proud of what we acheived yesterday. No punch ups, no drunks, no rowdies, no trouble with local residents, and no litter. All we left was a message, loud, clear and unequivocal, that we will not tolerate nazism in this country under any circumstances.

That is the way to tackle these race hate scumbags. Start using violence, start mixing it with the police and we'll be the losers. Let Codnor be the touchstone for all future anti-fascist activity.

"Lambertus Nieuwhof". Isn't he the geezer who runs the BNP website?

BTW. The stewards announced that we got within 150 metres of the entrance to "mein campf". I've studied the google map of Codnor Denby Lane, blown up as large as I could go, and I reckon we were even closer than that. If I've figured out where those BNP brats were gawping at us correctly, then we must have stopped right by the entrance to the farm.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Lox
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 03:11 PM

No surprise to see that the claims made by the pro BNP lot here (AR etc) are not backed up with any evidence.

With imaginations like that they should stick to writing scary novels ...

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 04:23 PM

You mean scary novels like "The Leopard's Spots" or "The Traitor" - or even "The Clansman"?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 06:49 PM

The biggest weakness the BNP have is people like "Chris". They are of moderate intelligence and education but lack the ability to speak well. That is, they seem unable to use fact, so in typical Nazi fashion they declare something to be so and wait for the facts to follow. When the facts don't follow--which they never do in Chris's case--he changes the topic. SSDD.

CONGRATULATIONS to all of you who went to show the BNP for what it is: scum. As for the remark about some protest guy smokin' a doobie and another person having some piercings and two people holding hands: that is rich. Rich indeed coming from a 'political party' like the BNP (I do not consider them such) that embraces people who think rape is just sex and women should shut up about it; a 'political part' that has so many convicts in the organization; a 'political party' that has members who take underaged teenaged girs into hotels; a 'political party' based on hatred and fueled by stupidity, alcohol and assorted perversions.

Good work all you ladies and gentlemen who spoke for people in places other than England.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Chris
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 07:04 PM

Well peace, The BNP don't make idle promises. You were to make a public statement last Thursday, did I miss it ?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 07:36 PM

Nope. You didn't miss it. I said it and now I know what I wanted to know. That's the last of our conversation fuckhead.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Chris
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 07:38 PM

I must have missed it Bruce, enjoy day there, love to Lisa.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 07:39 PM

BTW, the name you seek is on the BNP membership list. That should narrow it down for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: theleveller
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 03:40 AM

"They are of moderate intelligence and education but lack the ability to speak well."

In Chris's case, I think 'moderate' would be something of an over-statement. It's just so easy to shoot his assertions down in flames that it's hardly worth bothering - waste of time getting into a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Chris
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 05:53 AM

theleveller, Why would you want Beverley to change venue ? I feel it certainly has a lot of advantages and it seems to go well. I would have to disagree with you, it would be a shame to move it.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 06:04 AM

The Leveller. "In Chris's case, I think 'moderate' (intelligence)would be something of an over-statement."

Kinda looks that way to me. Otherwise, how do you explain his post of 17 Aug 09 05:53 AM?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 07:17 AM

Personnally I would move it (the BNP not Beverley) to somewhere in the middle of the North Sea without a boat!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: jeddy
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 07:34 AM

what's beverly to do with the price of halibut? apart from wierd folks living there.

could we not throw the BNP out of a plane over the sea please, we could get a nice harmony of screams as they fall!

take care all   :0)

jade x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 10:16 AM

Jeddy. Careful. Griffin has already said he wants to get rid of British born 'immigrants' by throwing them out of a plane over Africa. I know you'd have to be going some, but let's not even try to sink to their level.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: jeddy
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 12:12 PM

i don't normally advocate violence, but sometimes i think it might be easier.   it might sound like i was being serious, but i was more letting off steam. it is so hard to keep myself on a tight rein as far as my, not hatred but somewhere near it is concerned.

it is good to let it out sometimes.

don't worry, i would never actually do anything that would make me feel like i was doing anything that the BNP would aprove of.

this is why i am so for free speech, even if my whole body is screaming with distaste.

someone on here reminded me that, " i might not agree with someone but i will defend your' right to say it".

take care all

jade x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 12:15 PM

and one who never made the festival....

American white supremacist Preston Wiginton was stopped by UK Border Agency officials at Heathrow Airport and sent back to New York, as he attempted to make his way to the festival.

Wiginton first appeared on the white nationalist scene in October 2005, not long after he turned 40, when he attended Hammerfest, a neo-Nazi skinhead festival in Draketown, Ga

One month after Hammerfest, he organized a lecture at Texas A&M University by anti-immigration extremist Frosty Wooldridge.

When about 100 anti-racist protesters surrounded Wiginton and Wooldridge in a "free speech zone," Wiginton threatened to "bring in the Hammerskins," apparently a reference to members of Hammerskin Nation, a nationwide coalition of violent skinhead gangs.

Wiginton's next public move was the NoAztlan aerial banner campaign. By his own account, he paid $5,500 for a gigantic banner that bore the message, "USA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT," a crossed-out Mexican flag and the Internet address of Wiginton's conspiracy theory website NoAztlan.Com (a reference to an alleged secret plan by Mexico to reconquer the southwestern United States)

The website it promotes contains an essay by Wiginton that describes non-white immigration as "an abnormal growth that is threatening the life of American culture and the life of American people. If action is taken, and time is of the essence, this cancer can be eradicated,"

He strategically limits his Jew-bashing and endorsements of racially motivated violence to his personal website and a handful of white supremacist online forums including Stormfront, which he joined in October 2006 using the screen name "Ruskybound."

He has since repeatedly boasted on Stormfront of his close relationship with Alexander Belov, the former spokesman for the Russian ultranationalist and virulently anti-Semitic group Pamyat.

last October he co-sponsored another lecture at Clemson with the Council of Conservative Citizens a white supremacist organization - this one by Nick Griffin, the Holocaust-denying chairman of the BNP.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 12:19 PM

Emma B. Yes, and the only reason the European nazis who attended the hatefest were allowed into the country was because of the EU regulations allowing free movement of EU member citizens. Something to which the BNP is utterly opposed.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 12:32 PM

The Hammerskin Nation is the most violent and best-organized neo-Nazi skinhead group in the United States.
A number of its members have been convicted of harassing, beating or murdering minorities

According to Ed Wolbank, past director of the Northern Hammerskins in St. Paul, Minnesota,

"Music is number 1.
It's the best way to reach people.
Through music people can start getting into the scene, then you can start educating them. Politics through music."

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 02:21 PM

Well, here comes one of "Chris's" assertions (about those nice, peacable BNP members) shot down in flames:


LONDON (Reuters) - Three people have been charged with racially aggravated public order offences after a group heading to a far-right British National Party camp on Saturday taunted anti-racism protesters, police said.

Derbyshire police arrested 19 people during the mainly peaceful anti-BNP rally near a farm outside the village of Codnor where the BNP's Red, White and Blue festival was held over the weekend.

The three were among a group who crossed fields to get to the camp on foot under police escort as hundreds of demonstrators waving placards saying "the BNP is a Nazi party" blocked road access to the site.

The BNP, which campaigns to halt immigration and repatriate immigrants voluntarily, won its first two seats in the European Parliament in June.

Although it has no representatives in the British parliament, the party has won support from white voters angry about unemployment and access to public housing and other services during the worst recession in generations.

(Reporting by Daniel Fineren; Editing by Steve Addison)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 02:36 PM

Gawd bless you Ruth!

So, just to wrap this one up, it turns out the criminal charges score was:

BNP: 3, for racially aggrvated public order offences

UAF: 1, for obstructing the highway

Nuff said!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 03:15 PM

Ruth and Royston and BNP arrests and stuff. Well blimey O Reilly. You could knock me dahn wiv a fevver. There wuz me finkin' them BNP types wuz ok cos they never caused no trouble nor nofink an' there orll ded constitootional, not like the other side. And three of them arrested aginst only one from that there UAF mob.

Police brutality it is guv. Police brutality.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 03:37 PM

Lest we forget.
Stoke on Trent
and there's more where he came from, just follow the links!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 03:46 PM

Pity help anyone of a liberal persuasion who lives in Bentilee and Townsend.

BTW., the only really galling moment for me came when one of the speakers announced that one of his local councillors is BNP and his name is Michael Coleman.

God almighty! Ireland's most illustrious fiddler ends up sharing a name with that.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 03:55 PM

And the Abbey Green Ward

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 03:57 PM

oops forgot this..UKip have two MEPs from the Stoke area as well.....

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 04:12 PM

Well Guest: Chris ...... what have you got to say??????

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 05:15 PM

LONDON (Reuters) - Three people have been charged with racially aggravated public order offences after a group heading to a far-right British National Party camp on Saturday taunted anti-racism protesters, police said.

The three were among a group who crossed fields to get to the camp on foot under police escort as hundreds of demonstrators waving placards saying "the BNP is a Nazi party" blocked road access to the site.

Mon August 17

'Those few protesters that chose later to disrupt the otherwise peaceful nature of the protest were duly arrested - I have no problems with that; I would expect the police to do the same to BNP supporters who engaged in racist chants etc or other forms of anti-social behaviour.'

Emma B
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 12:44 PM

Still hard to believe even the BNP could be stupid enough to make racist taunts while actually under police escort! :)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 07:40 PM

The bnp doesn't deal in facts. It deals in innuendo, distortion, lies. Period.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 07:04 AM

Half a million pounds to police this protest. Was it worth wasting taxpayers money ?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: The Barden of England
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 07:11 AM

Yes, every penny.
John Barden

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 07:37 AM

Apparently the cost of football-related policing in Strathclyde alone hit £4.87 million during the 2007-08 season

The clash at the Liberty Stadium last season between Cardiff and Swansea cost South Wales Police a whopping £107,718.
That policing figure includes the cost of officers on duty on the day, but not the wider costs incurred such as the months of planning and gathering intelligence on potential trouble-makers.
Chief Constable Barbara Wilding has said the total cost to the force in terms of resources was in the region of £250,000!

The number of arrests at football matches are available on the web In the season 2006/7 195 Manchester United fans were arrested

Now I'm not really a football fan but I AM a supporter of the legal right to protest against racism and hatred of my fellow man so yes....

worth every penny!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 07:39 AM

Now half a million pounds to protect nazis from the righteous anger of the people, that's another question.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: theleveller
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 09:06 AM

"theleveller, Why would you want Beverley to change venue ? I feel it certainly has a lot of advantages and it seems to go well. I would have to disagree with you, it would be a shame to move it. "

I think Chris is trying to say that he knows where I live. Well, look forward to meeting you if I haven't already.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: theleveller
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 09:14 AM

"Half a million pounds to police this protest. Was it worth wasting taxpayers money ? "

A small amount compared to what it costs to police the "listening" station at Menwith Hill, for example. I know because my eldest son is one of the police who has to do it. By any comparison, the cost of policing the protest was money well-spent. Anyway, who was responsible for the need for a police presence - the protesters or the fascists?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 12:02 PM

The the good taxpayers should insist that the BNP pay back every last penny.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Sam
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 12:08 PM

"Half a million pounds to police this protest. Was it worth wasting taxpayers money ? "

The government should take it out of the protesters dole money.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 12:12 PM

Troll, troll, troll, troll.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Smokey.
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 12:33 PM

The event caused the need for policing, the protest was a natural and justified consequence of the event. How much does it cost to police any other political rally? That was only a small one.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 12:41 PM

Sam, Chris or whatever your name is at the moment, you don't get it do you? or perhaps you just can't read

I said earlier that I protested at Codnor with a large group of people from the Public Service Union Unison, the National Union of Teachers, the National Union of Jounrnalists and members of Chesterfield Trades Council

These are white, black, Asian and Jewish workers who contribute to the economy of their country
- what do you do?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 02:00 PM

To spell it out to you in small words that are not to hard for you....

They work,   they   do   not   claim   dole.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 02:13 PM

Why are we giving this prat, Dave/Chris/Sam, air time I mean talk about a waste of space, besides which, he/she is simply winding us up, knowing which buttons to push and so forth. I find it extremely unlikely that the said personage was anywhere near Codnor, on either side of the fence.

Stand and Be Counted!

Olivia Beak (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: theleveller
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 02:55 PM

"I know my Dad and Grandad, if they were still alive,
would be sickened to the core to be tarnished by association
with these new fascist 'pro-services' hate groups."

You're damned right they would - and they'd have been working to oppose these fascists.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 03:00 PM

Olivia Beak asks, "Why are we giving this prat, Dave/Chris/Sam, air time"

I agree. You'd think that, with the country sinking beneath the combined efforts of Muslims, left wing extremists, Westminster selloutpoliticians, gays, Jews, Travellers, more gays, Eastern Europeans, Roma, Asians, even more gays, social workers, wets, Irish republicans, Obama, students, The EU, long haired hippies, communist infiltrated police, Negroes, psychotherapists, people who don't believe in the master race, and yet more gays, he'd have other things to worry about.

Anyone with half a brain would have given up by now. Yes of course. That's it. Half a brain.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 03:09 PM

It seems this prat, Dave/Chris/Sam has now added Owen Woodson to the list of names being used, yeesh...and me oh my are YOU ever Racist/anti-Semetic

I should tell you though, Owen, I'm not white either, so you can me to your list of hates.

Stand and Be Counted

Olivia Beak (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 03:16 PM

"09 - 07:40 PM
The bnp doesn't deal in facts. It deals in innuendo, distortion, lies"
- Peace
and doesn't even have half a brain, but that goes without saying.

Stand and Be Counted!

Olivia Beak (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Smokey.
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 03:19 PM

"I know my Dad and Grandad, if they were still alive,
would be sickened to the core to be tarnished by association
with these new fascist 'pro-services' hate groups."

You're damned right they would - and they'd have been working to oppose these fascists.

Fair point - anyone who saw the real potential of fascism and fought it would be deeply insulted.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 06:35 PM

So what do you want to do with people who need social care? Exterminate them?????? Finally the BNP are showing their true face and the fact that they have no place in civilised society.

I've got an idea.... let them have their own way, and after 20 years suffering at their hands then the population might learn its lesson like it did after the 2nd world war.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: jeddy
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 06:39 PM

were you being very sarcastic owen? i can't work you out.

you seem to say one thing then, give a list of things that the BNP hate, was that just you simply pointing out that the cost of the protest pales in comparison? i hope so.

take care all

jade x x x x