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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: akenaton Date: 31 Jul 09 - 04:34 AM ROYSTON....Without wishing to be "offensive", have you ever tried to live on the minimum wage?.....if you are a young single man it might give you some quality of life....if you live with your parents! If you are married with a couple of kids you take top-up benefits worth more in real terms than your wages(after deductions)....or starve! Blairs policy of encouraging immigration as a way of cutting the National wage bill was indeed the economics of the madhouse, while at the same time encouraging bank the deregulation which led to our current economic collapse. A "left leaning liberal government"......Dont make me fuckin' laugh! |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: akenaton Date: 31 Jul 09 - 04:16 AM Royston....thank you for responding civilly but,much of what you write is factually incorrect or exaggerated. I don't have time to answer your all your points in detail, but have another look at the situation in Northern Ireland and you will see it is still very much a 21st century problem, its society as divided as ever, the "peace wall" still stands and sectarian murders on the increase again. I tried to explain, the followers of any given party do not necessarily follow blindly the opinions of its leader.....we are all an amalgamation of many opinions some good some bad. These opinions only become a danger to society when they are concealed under the label of something else.....as in... free speech/thought must be supressed in the name of Liberalism. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Royston Date: 31 Jul 09 - 04:07 AM Ake Most of these immigrants are employed on very low paid jobs in local fish farms ect In the Southeast of England we have a lot of Eastern European workers because local unemployed Brits see the work as beneath them. Farmers employ through agencies in Poland and often provide static caravans for worker-accommodation. Most of the work is at, or slightly above, minimum wage. So unless your local fish-farmers are breaking UK law (min wage) then their migrant workers are getting what HM government considers a fair living wage for all adults on these isles. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Royston Date: 31 Jul 09 - 04:02 AM Akenaton The arguments for and against mass economic immigration seem to be the contentious factor in this discussion, but they are not being addressed But the point is that this idea of "mass immigration" and "swamping" is a total fantasy. It isn't happening and that has been demonstrated by the production of evidence on several occasions in this and other related threads. People seem determined to make this an issue of racial bigotry But that is the issue. Proof has also been provided that the BNP is a racist and fascist party based on the German Nazi model. It lies about its ambitions and true policies (specific proof has already been given). As I have said before, there is nothing wrong with being worried about immigration and social change but people need to bring those worries out for proper discussion. The proper response of a genuinely concerned decent person is not to vote for the next Adolf Hitler to be PM of our great nation. This is about the BNP and how dangerous its ideas are. Some people think it is innocuous. Proof to the contrary is provided. Now if these supporters are "decent" they would be considering their position of support quite carefully. Yet they ignore all evidence and continue their support for what they now know to be a neo-nazi fascist party. Therefore I do say that these people *are* racists and fascists. That is a fair and reasonable conclusion on the evidence of their own behaviour. All their arguments are stripped away to the point there is only one conclusion left that explains their position. There is a part of the UK in which the society is so deeply divided that huge concrete walls have had to be erected between the different sections to keep them from shooting one another through their kitchen windows....yet no comment from the "liberals"....is it because both sections are "white" and not covered by current "liberal" dogma? That sentence should be in the past tense, referring to the situation in Northern Ireland. And the left/liberals were active in seeking an end to that as well. It took a left-ish conservative PM and a labour government to bring it to something approximating an end. There's little point discussing 20th Century history in the context of this thread. This thread is completely out of proportion to its importance, The UK will never become another "Reich" and you all know that very well No, this country will never become another Reich because most British people are decent and fair-minded and because enough of us will ensure that the BNP lies are exposed for their horrible reality. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: akenaton Date: 31 Jul 09 - 03:50 AM Just as a footnote, I live near a small town on the Firth of Clyde, to which I travel daily on personal business and shopping, I've noticed in the last few years a huge increase in numbers of Eastern Europeans who all appear to be members of large family groups. Most of these immigrants are employed on very low paid jobs in local fish farms ect.....the wages offered by these employers woul hardly keep a single man never mind a man with a wife and small children. Something just does not add up, this immigration was encouraged by the Blair government to "keep wage rates competitive in a global market", but obviously like other New Labour policies it has not been thought through....the cost of keeping those competitive wage rates are being more than cancelled out by benefit payments. The economics of the madhouse! This post is for information only! |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Richard Bridge Date: 31 Jul 09 - 03:42 AM The BNP have two MEP's - Griffin and Bron. Not four. In their voting regions the actual number of BNP votes fell. The reason the Polish economy is not splattered (Joe, relatively it is doing better than the rest of Europe) is because they did not deregulate banks like the rest of Europe (and the USA). The Polish land market however is being driven by speculators and developers who will soon destroy most of Poland's architectural heritage if they are not stopped. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: akenaton Date: 31 Jul 09 - 03:34 AM The arguments for and against mass economic immigration seem to be the contentious factor in this discussion, but they are not being addressed. People seem determined to make this an issue of racial bigotry...I have heard no one on this thread denigrate others because of their race. Mr Griffin may be a racist but the the BNP members here seem to be arguing on specific issues. I hold Mr Blair and Mr Brown personally responsible for our completely illiberal and illegal attack on another nation and complicite in the deaths of perhaps a million people, yet I hear no abuse of people who still support the Labour Party! Once again I smell a witch hunt on these pages! I recognise only one racist on this forum, and that person is surely neither sane or British. There is a part of the UK in which the society is so deeply divided that huge concrete walls have had to be erected between the different sections to keep them from shooting one another through their kitchen windows....yet no comment from the "liberals"....is it because both sections are "white" and not covered by current "liberal" dogma? This thread is completely out of proportion to its importance, The UK will never become another "Reich" and you all know that very well, times and methods of mass communication have changed...you are simply posturing...parading your "liberal credentials" before an easy target. Why dont you wisen-up and start acting like real liberals, there are a host of causes which could benefit from your energy.....shame to waste it all on mutual masturbation......:0) Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Royston Date: 31 Jul 09 - 03:19 AM Ken / Russ Meyer / George Davis et al: If I presented myself at the dole office in Poland, would they pay for the house of my choice ? send me a load of money each week for doing sod all ? Would they look after my granny if I flew her over to get her corns done ? I know the answers and so do you Actually we do know the answers and you don't. Others have blown your medical entitlement claim out of the water. As an EU citizen with an E101 card you would be entitled to Polish social security. Go to www.zus.pl and choose English (they like to make sure that we can access the entitlement information) and browse away. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Jul 09 - 08:57 PM Yes, the economic situation in Poland isn't very good, but there are a lot of interesting things happening there. There are lots of risks involved, but there are lots of opportunities. Poland is a beautiful, fascinating country. I could picture myself living there. If you're an entrepreneur or a good manager and you have what it takes to make a business a success, you might find opportunities in Poland that you wouldn't find anywhere else. I've been there twice, and I want to go back again and see the western part of the country. -Joe- Oh, and the folk music and folk dancing are wonderful, especially in the Tatras. Hey, and it's the only place in Europe where the price of beer is still reasonable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Lox Date: 30 Jul 09 - 08:40 PM But why would any Brit want to work in Poland? Aren't they all trying to get out of a poor decaying weak ewconomy so they can sponge off us? Isn't it true that they envy the strength and stability of the British economy? Well maybe the reason why Poles are returning and why Brits might wish to work there is "At present Poland is the only Eastern European nation to avoid recession, with the economy growing by 0.8% in the first quarter." Source |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Lox Date: 30 Jul 09 - 08:13 PM Travelling to Poland on holiday? If you are an EU citizen (including British) you are entitleds to free health care. Evidence here "Medical facilities and standards of health care are good, but not many nurses or doctors speak English. It is advisable to have an European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) in case of a medical emergency. Free emergency treatment is available to visitors from the European Union and several countries with which Poland has signed international agreements (Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Montenegro, Russia and Serbia). EU nationals are required to produce a valid European Health Insurance Card (EHIC)" Here's another useful link. Poland - EU nationals free to enter and work without Visa |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Jul 09 - 08:06 PM I remind you again that we do not allow personal attacks, even if you do not happen to like the political party that your opponent represents. Argue from facts, and keep personalities out of it. I'm watching this thread closely and deleting liberally. In addition, please be aware that the BNP discussion will be confined to one, and only one thread. If there's a need for a new thread, establish a consensus in the current thread regarding the need for a new thread - and then let me know about it. I'll close the existing thread and then you can start the new one. Any BNP thread established outside this guideline, will be deleted or combined with the existing thread. I sympathize with all the Mudcatters who oppose the BNP, and that is the vast majority of us. However, I can't allow this forum to be ruled by hysteria and personal attacks, even if the hysteria and personal attacks purport to support a noble cause. In my view, if you feel you must use bullying and other strongarm tactics to oppose the BNP, you're just playing the game by their rules - and you've already lost. If your messages contain bullying and strongarm tactics, your mesages will be deleted. -Joe Offer, Forum Moderator- |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Emma B Date: 30 Jul 09 - 08:04 PM 'If I went to any European country on holiday I have to take out travel insurance in case of illness' Well actually you don't! The European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) can be used to cover any necessary medical treatment due to either an accident or illness within the European Economic Area (EEA). The EHIC entitles the holder to state-provided medical treatment within the country they are visiting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Spleen Cringe Date: 30 Jul 09 - 08:03 PM According to the 2001 UK census, Hull had a population of 243,589. Of the total population 97.7% were white and the largest minority ethnic group was of 749 people who considered themselves to be ethnically Chinese. There were 3% of people living in Hull who were born outside the United Kingdom. In 2006 the largest minority ethnic grouping was Iraqi Kurds who were estimated at 3,000. Most of these people were placed in the city by the Home Office while their applications for asylum were being processed. Also in 2001, the city had a high proportion, at 6.2%, of people of working age who were unemployed ranking 354th out of 376 local and unitary authorities within England and Wales. Now, you can't really blame the people in paragraph one for the sad situation on paragraph two, can you? Even if you ethnically cleansed the entire city, Hull would still be buggered. Try blaming capitalism rather than your neighbours. Then try joining with them to fight for social justice. Just a thought. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Lox Date: 30 Jul 09 - 08:03 PM "I think France got it right. Remember the riots a few years ago ? the government there care for their own." Which Riots? How does the French Government care for their own? "Britain really has become a joke in the eyes of Europeans. It has become the walfare state feeding bowl of Europe for any Tom,Dick or Harry who fancies a free house, free medical care, free education and a free handout." Where is your evidence? |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: GUEST,George Davis Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:59 PM I think France got it right. Remember the riots a few years ago ? the government there care for their own. Britain really has become a joke in the eyes of Europeans. It has become the walfare state feeding bowl of Europe for any Tom,Dick or Harry who fancies a free house, free medical care, free education and a free handout. If I went to any European country on holiday I have to take out travel insurance in case of illness, why can't this apply to those landing in the UK ? If I presented myself at the dole office in Poland, would they pay for the house of my choice ? send me a load of money each week for doing sod all ? Would they look after my granny if I flew her over to get her corns done ? I know the answers and so do you. It has to stop and the BNP are offering that leadership.
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Lox Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:48 PM "You hippies really have no idea what it's like to live in an English inner city have you? " The evidence above shows your statement was wrong. 2 of us "hippies" live in Inner city London and one lives in inner city Manchester. And those are just the ones who have answered so far. Paco - keep posting. You are saving us the bother of arguing as you embed your foot further and further into your mouth. It must be quite a challenge to maintain that position with your head so firmly jammed where the sun don't shine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: jeddy Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:41 PM sorry about the spelling mistakes and lack of spacing and punctuaition in my last post. my pc wouldn't let me go back to fix them. btw. we lived in alot of different areas in nottingham for over 7 years. jade x x x x |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: GUEST,paco rabanne Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:37 PM Ah yes... London.. The natural home of our elders and betters! How rude of me to attempt to cross swords with such cosmopolitans! |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: jeddy Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:36 PM i always thought that the existing repariation was volentary(?) and on request? no? am i wrong? as for people coming into this country and getting housing, well if you were being hunted by your government and half your family had been hunted down and killed you would want to go somewhere else too, not only would you be desperate for another country to take you in but you would be very grateful for any housing and money to live on while you get yourself together. the problem with housing is actually quite simple. there are so many derilict and empty houses, why does the council refurbish these? why are there so many new houses being built on floodplains wherepoeple can't get insurance? where ever you go in the country you will find disused factories why can these not be used as hostels and community housing? disused army barracks or airfields could be changed for use too. we are not short of space in this country but we are short of housing. why?.... the government and councils. surely they could give incentives to developers to do them. instead of spending so many hundreds of thousands of pounds on modern art they should get their priorities straight? for the same price as a few houses done up they instead built , the big mirror in nottingham that fried birds in the summer when then flew over it. they also bult the big bang(where i can't remember) that kept falling to bits and injured a fair few people in the end they took it down. our local park is a really good example. they tarmaced (?) road into it, fair enough but stole alot of parking spaces to creat a grass verge. the rest of the carpark is made of a sand and gravel mix, which on a hill and sloping towards the river was really sensible. they have had to resurface it once already and it is only a year old! if they had sone a proper job in the first place it wouldn't need touch ups. the result is that the cars in summer go all the way up side roads. sorry to be rambling but it shows where the councils have been wasting OUR money. it is them that has been wasting money, it has nothing to do with immagrants or assylum seekers. there is a huge waste of public money in just about everything you look at. i am all ranted out for now. take care all jade x x x x |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Spleen Cringe Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:36 PM And WTF is wrong with hippies? |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Spleen Cringe Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:35 PM Inner city Manchester for the past 27 years. Does that count? |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Lox Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:20 PM Ah ... Hull ... I know it well. I went to watch Hull FC beat Widnes for the premiership in 1991 in old Trafford. My Brother lived in Hull for many years. Pretty grim, but not an ideal case study of the success or failure of multiculturalism. I did enjoy the Wilberforce Museum though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Lox Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:12 PM I live in inner city London. So does Royston. Where so you live Paco? |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Paco Rabanne Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:09 PM You hippies really have no idea what it's like to live in an English inner city have you? |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Royston Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:07 PM No, Waco, in a prop-rep system of voting it just means that the committed bigots do better when the decent majority stay at home from an election (like Europe) that they can't be arsed with. Just like the British Nazi Party with its two euro-seats. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Spleen Cringe Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:03 PM Talking of 'ull, one of my best mates is a British Asian Hindu from that fair city. Not suprisingly she prefers it here in Manchester... Incidently, any Wiltshire-based BNP candidates reading this might like to have a read of this research paper about the experiences of the county's 4,500 or so black and minority ethnic residents: Hidden Voices... |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: GUEST,paco rabanne Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:02 PM Royston, Get a grip girl!! 'They got four euro seats.' Those are your words,four is better than none. four seats also tells me that native people have had a gut full of politically correct 'multi culturalism' and are starting to vote for their own survial! |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Lox Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:00 PM "oh yes you might have held the same job for 30 years but that guy who came to this country yesterday can get a home and money and you can't." Where is your evidence of this? "Just for the record all those who keep latching on to the re-patriation policy - it is already in place and has been for more than 20 years." Where is your evidence of this? You will provide none because it doesn't exist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Richard Bridge Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:58 PM Er - Wacko Paco - what do you mean by "the first nation"? MJ (funny, aren't you dead?) HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THAT "FED UP OF" IS A SOLECISM? If you want to represent "the English" you might as well learn to speak and write the language. Your statement of the alleged facts is simply fanciful. Why don't you go and check how asylum seekers are deprived of effective benefit, as part of a deliberate ploy by the government to stop them coming here. The BNP is not in favour of supporting "British Citizens". Go and read it up. It wants to send (home, away, somewhere? - for swimming or flying lessons??) out of the UK even British citizens who are of non-british citisen parentage or grand-parentage. You don't mean British citizens - you mean white, n'th generation English (despite the fact that we are ALL descended from nilotics). If you want to fix housing shortages - just reverse the doctrinaire Thatcherite restrictions on council house building and enable councils to spen on housing the money from councilhouse sales. Stop council house sales. If you want to fix benefits issues - you do that by keeping the Tory toffs out of office, and re-creating the post-war welfare state that the conserviateves destroyed. You do it by simplifying the rules and rules and rules written, re-written and over-written to STOP deserving cases getting benefits. You might want to try a negative income tax, and cut out a lot of bureaucracy. You don't do it by assuming that non-whites and non-English get benefits and that white English can't. It simply is not true. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Lox Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:57 PM I haven't insulted anyone. I have been described as ridiculous on he basis of a straw man argument. "What do you think I did - rang all my little BNP mates and said hey I'm gonna post something now come and say some good stuff after me!!" No - I don't have any idea what you did or didn't do. I certainly didn't suggest that you had done that. I did observe that lots of pro BNP posts happened at the same time. That observation remains true. In the meantime, would you mind informing us whether you support or reject Griffins views as expressed - here , here and here . If it is your intention to run for office then shouldn't you be informing people of your point of view? |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: GUEST,Russ Meyer Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:52 PM I really can't understand why this thread is still up here. It has broken every rule in the book and used every filthy word (and a few new ones). How can you fight the BNP if you can't stop fighting with eachother ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: GUEST,MJ Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:40 PM I'm surprised this thread hasn't been closed it is so off topic and one or two people seem to be the targets. On topic, I imagine people have got fed up being told how to think and how to act in an increasingly difficult employment market, housing situation and are fed up of being told - oh yes you might have held the same job for 30 years but that guy who came to this country yesterday can get a home and money and you can't. There are no policies to support these british citizens within the conservatives, labour or lib dem. Just for the record all those who keep latching on to the re-patriation policy - it is already in place and has been for more than 20 years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Emma B Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:38 PM and, before anyone starts the name calling, I believe greensue has the right to express her own views here too without disrespect. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: greensue Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:34 PM I am not straight, or able bodied, but I believe MBS George, having been a Middle Bar Singer for about 20 years, has every right to call herself that. Or are you a fascist? That is, opposed to democracy and liberalism? |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Royston Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:32 PM Paco The BNP are a bit of a joke,but given time, as has happened in Holland, a more credible party devoted to the 'first nation' will emerge. OK Waco, can't stand the heat on the home-front? From your little bunker in Dull you want to start arguing about Dutch politics? Well I work for a Dutch company and spend an awful lot of time (or a lot of awful time) there. What rag-tag bunch of prop-rep loonies are you going for now? Wilders and the Freedom Party? Be sensible. They got 4 euro seats on the back of another tragically low turnout and don't really register in national elections in spite of prop-rep for those as well. Bigots and fascists always do well on low turnouts because they are committed to their vile opinions and prepared to keep smearing their shit on the walls when decent folk turn their backs [on the ballot box]. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:30 PM MBS George doesn't answer questions. She doesn't respond to any attempts at dialogue. In spite of her protests that she is not Fascist, or racist, she has no doubts about her choice to represent them. And let's face it, regardless of how many local voters may have put their cross against her name, it is NOT her constituents she wishes to represent. It is the British Nazi Party. She is a committed member who is obviously well in tune with their power hungry aims and objectives, and as such, not a person with whom I wish to have any further contact. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:22 PM And Richard, we've already got enough Fascists, racists, and s**t stirrers. Don't you start up another war with those duckist comments of yours. LMAO Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:12 PM ""To apply these terms to those who want to preserve their own identity and culture is crass, accusatory and aimed at stifling and criminalising a perfectly legitimate aspiration."" Wanting to preserve our own culture and identity is part of what WE try to achieve. That is very different from wanting to delete those whom you have judged not to belong to that culture, and that's what Griffin and his neo-nazi thugs are trying to achieve. So go peddle your fascist ideals where they will be accepted. I hear there are quite a few of your old German allies hanging out in South America. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Paco Rabanne Date: 30 Jul 09 - 05:53 PM The BNP are a bit of a joke,but given time, as has happened in Holland, a more credible party devoted to the 'first nation' will emerge. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Gervase Date: 30 Jul 09 - 05:52 PM I don't think you'll get any sense out of BNPGeorge. She's had the opportunity to answer some simple questions about the BNP but, guess what, she ducks the issue. I really would be interested to know why she supports a racist party if she claims not to be a racist, and how she would explain to those Middle Bar singers who aren't white, straight or able-bodied why she keeps calling herself "MBSGeorge" but, surprise surprise, she's not answering questions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Richard Bridge Date: 30 Jul 09 - 04:34 PM Try again twat. If anyone is bored, there are several more twiddledicks on Fakebook. Pop over to FaF and click on "English Folk" and see his friends and check them out and then go to "John Barden" (it's not our John) and check them out too. If you see anyone who is a colourable impersonation of a folkie you know check with the folkie if you feel the need and then report the fake. the fake John Barden is not him. THe fake RIchard Hoffmeister Bridge is not me Nor is the fake Richard Bridge The fake GirliefromEssex is not Essex Girl The Fake Bruce Murdoch is not (and nor is English Folk) Bruce The fake VIrginia Tam is not VT The fake Kat Coffey is not Katlaughing I have no idea who Sonja Runagle is - but she probably does not want to be called "Twin airbags". |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Royston Date: 30 Jul 09 - 04:32 PM Fairplay: I'm surprised a legal executive should want to support a violent Fascist organization like the UAF. Richard will answer for himself (but he's a solicitor, not a legal executive). Why do you say UAF are violent? As for fascist, well the clue is in the name Unite *Against* Fascism. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: fairplay Date: 30 Jul 09 - 04:21 PM Richard Bridge I'm surprised a legal executive should want to support a violent Fascist organization like the UAF. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Spleen Cringe Date: 30 Jul 09 - 04:20 PM Jeddy, it has to be said you spend an inordinate amount of time laughing out loud. Keep it up! lol |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: jeddy Date: 30 Jul 09 - 04:16 PM hey richard, whats so wrong with ducks? don't let our neighbour hear you say anything bad about them, she gets very protective of the wild ones that sleep on our road every year!! in fact she treats them so well, they don't want our bread anymore!! ... now that i think of it.. fuck the ducks! lol jade x x x x |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Royston Date: 30 Jul 09 - 04:02 PM I just had a check of Paco's posts and it seems the joker lives in Beverley / Hull. Hull City Council says that the Black and Minority Ethnic population figures for 2004 are 4% of a population of 250,000. That's hardly "swamped", is it now? HULL CC WEBSITE |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Richard Bridge Date: 30 Jul 09 - 03:51 PM Oh, I'm sorry Rob On, I didn't catch the postcode. Or is it OK for YOU to borrow from families and friends but not THEM? And if all of THEM are bidding for the properties in YOUR street why does that not drive up YOUR house price to YOUR benefit? Can you not see that everything you have written is based on categorisation of people by race (whatever their skin colour)? MBS (regrettably) George - you have three options. You might be blind, so you cannot see what the BNP says, does, or is. You might be stupid, so you do not understand what the BNP says, does, or is. Or you know and support them anyway. Looks like a fair cop for me. Lie down with dogs you get fleas. Fairplay (oh what a piece of duckspeak) - if it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. Racist and fascist are fair descriptors. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Spleen Cringe Date: 30 Jul 09 - 03:48 PM Paco Rabanne: would you feel the same if the people buying several houses in "your" street were a white British family? Or is it about your own fear/intolerance of diversity? what have your neighbours actually done to you to warrant your attitude? I'm genuinely puzzled. I'm in England - in a large city with a diverse population and your experience certainly doesn't match mine. Where on earth do you live? MBS George: why are you a BNP member who has stood for office on their behalf if you don't share their views? I really don't understand. I think I'm not alone in wondering why its so hard for you to give us a simple explanation of where you are coming from. Is that too much to ask? In the absence of anything else surely you can see we are just going to logically assume you support the views of your leaders? And if you don't, what on earth are you doing there? It's too easy just to home in on people's genuine anger to deflect attention from what you are doing rather than offering some rationale, and frankly, it doesn't wash. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes? From: Royston Date: 30 Jul 09 - 03:45 PM Sorry Paco, I live in Lewisham, you're not answering the question. I suspect you are a liar. |