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Lyr Req: Coal Bargee (Chris Cheetham)

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Subject: Lyr Req: Bridgewater Canal song from 1973 TV prog
From: GUEST,David Kitching
Date: 31 Jul 09 - 09:36 AM

I am seeking the lyrics of a song that featured on the BBC 1 North West series Ballad of the North West. This was in the canals episode called Narras and Flats which was broadcast on 17th July 1973.

The chorus to the song, which was about the Bridgewater Canal went something like this:

'So away you coal boats, away across the moss
From Astley Green to Worsley you're the skipper and the boss".

I have never been able to pin this one down and would welcome any pointers to where I might find out.

Cheers,

David Kitching


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: Ian Hendrie
Date: 24 Jan 12 - 01:22 PM

Unfortunately I am unable to help with this song.

But, as the instigator of the 'Songs of the Inland Waterways' site which aims to provide an archive of lyrics and music of UK canal related songs, I would certainly be interested in knowing the words of this song and to know if a recording of the BBC Ballad of the Northwest had turned up.

I have some memories of this series but in 1973 I was a TV-less student (unimaginable nowadays).

I am also interested in a BBC radio recording of 'A Cry from the Cut' mentioned in another Mudcat thread.

There's also a BBC Radio Manchester Recording 'Tales from the Towpath' about the Manchester Ship Canal which I am trying to track doen.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: maeve
Date: 24 Jan 12 - 02:32 PM

It's here- Google: Tamlyn Folk Magazine, Vol.1 No.5 June 1975 (PDF)
Trying to copy/paste it for you...


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Subject: Lyr Add: COAL BARGEE (Chris Cheetham)
From: maeve
Date: 24 Jan 12 - 02:51 PM

Transcribed from Tamlyn Folk Magazine, Vol.1 No.5 June 1975 (PDF)
*********************

COAL BARGEE
Words and arrangement, Chris Cheetham; tune, Traditional: New York Girls

We left ol' coal chute close on six, our journey to begin,
We swungt' butty down in't coal arm, not far from Boat House Inn,
The Bolinder warmed up very quick as the boats got under way,
The throttles up, the oil rods back, this coal it earns our pay.

CHORUS: And away you coal boats, away along the moss,
From Astley Green to Worsley your 'e skipper and the boss.

Bridgewater flats under Boothstown tip, morning's work all on the go,
With a swish, and a flush, the coal dust rushed, into Bludell's Finch below.
The klaxon blared as we approached the bend by Worsley Bridge,
Yellow waters of the Bridgewater could ne'er held no fish. CHORUS

There's a bangin' and a crashin' coming from the old dry dock,
New spikes struck home, new planks for old, men workin' agin the clock.
From Worsley bridge past old Duke's mine, sweepin' by the Dry Dock Yard,
Salt Union flats under Worsley chute, they'd come from Winsford Yard. CHORUS

From Rigby's arm we could see the smoke of Trafford Park,
We'll be over the tank at Barton Bridge and be home by dark.
Close on fifty tons of coal was grabbed by Jimmy's crane,
There was dirst and dust, but oh that brass made sure we'd come again. CHORUS TWICE


Song in its original form used in the BBC 1 TV programme: Narras 'n' Flats, 1973.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: Ian Hendrie
Date: 24 Jan 12 - 03:04 PM

Wow Maeve, what a fantastic response after David had been waiting for 3 years.

As he was a Guest he won't get automatic notification of your find so I'll try and contact him via his web-site.

Now, has anyone got a recording or the music?

And there's another Ballad of the North West I'm now looking for. It was in Series 3 and called 'The Big Ditch' broadcast in 1975.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North We
From: maeve
Date: 24 Jan 12 - 03:05 PM

The title above should, of course, be "Coal Bargee" I must have run out of spaces when I inserted it.

I'm sorry I don't seem able to post a direct link. I ran a Google search on the words, "away you coal boats, away across the moss From Astley Green to Worsley you're the skipper and the boss" and came up with a link to the pdf. When I tried to convey the direct location, the link maker identified it as a "Bad link". If you follow the same Google search I used, it's the ninth result.

I hope this is the song for which you were searching.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: maeve
Date: 24 Jan 12 - 03:11 PM

I'm glad to help, Ian. I also find a Soundcloud page for Chris Cheetham, with a link to send him a message via Facebook, here:
http://soundcloud.com/chris-cheetham


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: maeve
Date: 24 Jan 12 - 03:16 PM

Ian, regarding 'The Big Ditch': have you seen this? http://www.library.folknorthwest.co.uk/harry_boardman2.htm

Perhaps you'll find something useful there.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jan 12 - 03:28 PM

Thanks so much maeve and Ian, I am so, so, pleased to see those lyrics after all these years.

Best wishes,

David


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: Ian Hendrie
Date: 24 Jan 12 - 03:29 PM

Oops! Forget the music I've spotted it's New York Girls (Gals?)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: maeve
Date: 24 Jan 12 - 03:31 PM

You are most welcome, David. Thanks to Ian for contacting you. Do have a look at the pdf itself if you can; it's full of notes by the song's author.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: Ian Hendrie
Date: 24 Jan 12 - 03:32 PM

And thanks for the rest of the info maeve.

Perhaps David knows someone who might like to add it to their repertoire!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 24 Jan 12 - 05:56 PM

When the working boats tied up
For bargees I served teas
Now the pleasure boats moor here
For teas I serve bhajis


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 25 Jan 12 - 03:24 AM

I'm glad those Tamlyn magazines have come in handy! I put them on the Folk North West site not too long ago after being given them by someone who would otherwise have thrown them out.
If you look at the early back issues of Folk North West on the same site Here there is a series of articles by Ian Woods about the Manchester Ship Canal.

I've got a number of very poor audio recordings of some of Ballad of the Northwest - I'll see if "The Big Ditch" is amongst them. I know "Narras and Flats" isn't there.

Cheers
Mark


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: Ian Hendrie
Date: 25 Jan 12 - 05:24 AM

Thanks Mark,

Those Tamlyn magazines will come in very handy. I have one or two myself and they are reminders of my youth. The admission prices to concerts and festivals seen like loose change now.

It's a coincidence that Gary and Vera Aspey appeared on the cover of the June 1975 issue which contained the requested song as I was going to see them performing at the next meeting of Porkies Folk Club in Poynton, Cheshire, until a visit to family will prevent it. I won't bother calculating the number of years between the two.

I am transcribing the info from the article accompanying the Coal Bargee song by Chris Cheetham and hope to include it along side the song on my web-site. I would contact Chris via his FaceBook page to seek permission but I have an aversion to FaceBook and similar sites at present (being a grumpy untrusting old man) and so can't do so. If anyone knows how to contact him that would be helpful.

If you come across The Big Ditch recording that would be fantastic.

I'm off to investigate those old magazines now. Thanks for putting them on-line.

Ian


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 25 Jan 12 - 06:19 AM

The Manchester Ship Canal articles are in issues 2 to 7 or 8 I think.
If you have any issues of Tamlyn that aren't on the site I'd be interested in getting copies to put up there. I'll try and contact Chris for you when I get home and tell him you want to get in touch regarding this.

I'll PM you regarding the Big Ditch if I find it.

Entrance fees to folk nights still seem like loose change when compared to the £60 or so it costs to go pop concerts these days!

Cheers
Mark


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: Ian Hendrie
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 06:08 AM

So that material has a better chance of survival (it only takes one disgruntled webmaster to shut down a site containing valuable material), I have taken the liberty of transcribing the material about the Manchester Ship Canal (spread across three issues of The Northwest Federation of Folk Clubs Newsletter - 1978) and an article about Coal Bargees (from Tamlyn Folk Magazine - 1975) and included them in a new 'Documents' section of the Songs of the Inland Waterways website here :

http://www.waterwaysongs.co.uk/documents.htm

If anyone can point me in the direction of similar material to add to the archive that would be very helpful.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 09:03 AM

Don't worry Ian I've got all those back issues on a memory stick and a hard drive. The webmaster's not the problem and I don't think the site will shut but I get your point. I'm glad they've been of use to you.

I've found the recording of "The Big Ditch" and a few other recordings from the Ballad of the Northwest series. Hi-Fi they ain't as they were recorded using a microphone from a cassette recorder in front of the TV speaker and need listening to carefully but you're welcome to a copy if you want one. PM me with your address please. Most of the songs were sung by Gary and Vera Aspey with a couple of other singers doing one each.

The Ballad of the North West suffers from the fact that the original broadcast tapes were wiped for reuse presumably not long after they were broadcast. Other than the recordings that were made by Pat Ryan, I've got three or four scripts from the series and nothing else. If anybody has anything from this series that went out between 1973 and 1975 then please get in touch!

Cheers
Mark


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: Ian Hendrie
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 03:33 PM

Hi Mark,
I've PM'd you. I've a recording of most of what I think is called 'The Great Lead Rush' about lead mining in Derbyshire (featuring Bullock Smithy) but I can't think what series this was part of, or even if it was a TV or radio programme.
Regards,
Ian


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 07:47 PM

Hi Ian - PM replied to.
The Great Lead Rush was from the first series of Ballad of the Northwest broadcast on Tuesday 7th August 1973 at 10:15pm. All of these programmes were broadcast as a national "opt out" and were only seen in the BBC North West broadcast area. Other regions had their own opt out programmes at this time.

Cheers
Mark


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: GUEST,Ray
Date: 29 Jan 12 - 05:20 AM

My recollection is that the TV programmes featuring Bullock Smithy, which I assume were called the Ballad of the Northwest, were produced by Ken Campbell (the one from "The Pennine Folk" & not the more famous one) but that they were later than 1973 - possibly circa. 1975.

Its good to hear that Chris Cheetham is still around - I don't think I've spoken to him for 40 years and I wasn't aware that he'd ever written a song! Working for the Manchester Ship Canal Company, he had a vested interest in canal transport. I was on the 'phone with him one day when the radio crackled in the background. He broke off to answer it coming back to me to say "The fog's just come down in Irlam".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 29 Jan 12 - 05:22 PM

These 'lost' recordings do need to get back into the public domain. They are obviously unique survivals.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: GUEST,sailoron
Date: 30 Jan 12 - 09:29 AM

Mark, as for scripts/songs you could try Alan Bell as he wrote several of the series.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 30 Jan 12 - 03:13 PM

I've already asked Alan and he supplied me with The Last Road North about the building of the Settle Carlisle Railway. The song that came from this script is Alice White. He said he may well have other scripts somewhere but nothing has been forthcoming. Probably buried in his study like a load of stuff in my study!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: Ian Hendrie
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 01:06 PM

An audio recording of The Great Lead Rush featuring Bullock Smithy has been uploaded to http://www.waterwaysongs.co.uk/Archive_Recordings/Great_Lead_Rush.mp3.

I have had this recording for many years but can no longer remember when it was recorded. As the end of the recording runs into an account of local folk festivals I am tempted to deduce that this is a recording of a radio programme rather than the TV series.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: Harmonium Hero
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 03:36 PM

Only just seen this thread. Mark: the 'couple of other singers' were me, Tom Brown and Ian Woods. We also had the piper from Canny Fettle playing. Can't remember his name, but five names out of six is pretty good going for me! Some of the songs were written, or re-written for the programme, by Chris Cheetham and/or Ian Woods. Sadly, I haven'y got a recording - I didn't even see the broadcast, as I was singing in Scotland at the time. Busy days..... John Kelly.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 03:56 PM

I put this on the other thread about Bullock Smithy:


That's interesting Ian - The programme you've put online seems to have been part of a programme by Tony Capstick who had a folk show on BBC Radio Sheffield. There was certainly a TV programme in 1973 under the Ballad of the Northwest series. It's quite possible that Ken Campbell of the Pennine Folk rewrote it for a radio performance.
Ballad of the Northwest actually started as a radio programme with scripts written by Alan Bell and then transferred to TV. The first programme entitled Ballad of the Northwest was broadcast as part of the BBC Folk on Friday strand. More info Here


Thanks for the comments John. Was it Gerry Murphy playing the smallpipes? Bob Deihl and Bob Morton were the other two players in the band I believe. I don't suppose you've got a script of the programme have you?

Cheers
Mark


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: Harmonium Hero
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 04:18 PM

Gerry Murphy sounds familiar, which the other names don't. Haven't got a script. I wonder whether Ian Woods might have one. I haven't seen Ian for about 20 years, but I gathered from another tread on here about three years ago that he's living around Oxford. I'll see if I can re-locate the information....
John Kelly.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: Harmonium Hero
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 05:30 PM

....No, getting nowhere with that one. I can't find any contact information for Ian, nor can I trace the Mudcat thread from which I think I got the information that he's in Oxford. That isn't on my list of posted messages, so it may have been before I became a member. It may have been one of Ian Hendrie's threads. It was about canal songs, I think, and I mentioned this programme. Ring any bells Ian?
John Kelly.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: Ian Hendrie
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 05:44 AM

Hi John,

The information about Ian Woods being in Oxford is from the following UK Canals thread :

http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=56636

Regards,
Ian


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 30 Mar 12 - 03:52 PM

I've just discovered that the North West Film Archive lists several film clips from Ballad of the North West under their BBC Documentary holdings. If you go HERE and put Ballads of the north west into the search box you can see what they hold.
It's important to note that these are not the programmes as broadcast but only the film inserts that were used in the programmes. The videotapes were presumably wiped for reuse sometime after broadcast and as far as I am aware the programmes don't exist on any other format such as 16mm film. The film inserts would have been sent to the film library after transfer to VT. One of the clips has a couple of minutes that you can view on the site (Narras and Flats)

Cheers
Mark


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Oct 13 - 05:15 PM

One of the 'lost' Birmingham Ballads 'A Cry from the Cut' is available here:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/m9meurh48f70z7i/BBC_Midland_Home_Service_-_Cry_From_The_Cut_(mono).mp3

There was also a BBC documentary in the 1960s about the Manchester Ship Canal called "They Brought The Sea To Manchester" - I wonder if anyone has a copy?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Coal Bargee (Chris Cheetham)
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 02:42 PM

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Song from BBC1 Ballad of the North West
From: Ian Hendrie
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 01:06 PM

An audio recording of The Great Lead Rush featuring Bullock Smithy has been uploaded to http://www.waterwaysongs.co.uk/Archive_Recordings/Great_Lead_Rush.mp3.

I have had this recording for many years but can no longer remember when it was recorded. As the end of the recording runs into an account of local folk festivals I am tempted to deduce that this is a recording of a radio programme rather than the TV series.

====

Apparently this featured on a Folkweave programme from Wadebrudge F.F.:

http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/search/0/20?adv=0&q=The+Great+Lead+Rush

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BBC Radio 2

22 January 1976 20.02

Folkweave

Tony Capstick Introduces recordings made of the club residents from the Centre Folk Club. Portsmouth

The Great Lead Rush written and narrated by KEN CAMPBELL , with
Folkweave

Tony Capstick Introduces recordings made of the club residents from the Centre Folk Club. Portsmouth

The Great Lead Rush written and narrated by KEN CAMPBELL , with the music provided by BULLOCK SMITHY and BRENDA WOOTTON recorded at the Wadebridge Festival News from the Folk World

Producer PETER PILBEAM BBC Manchester

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Sadly it is known that the Folkweave masters were junked into skip by BBC Radio Manchester - they were found digitised but then the finder dropped contact. They are gone for good.

====

CJB


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Coal Bargee (Chris Cheetham)
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 02:57 PM

Above should have read:

BBC Radio 2

22 January 1976 20.02

Folkweave

Tony Capstick Introduces recordings made of the club residents from the Centre Folk Club. Portsmouth

The Great Lead Rush written and narrated by KEN CAMPBELL, with the music provided by BULLOCK SMITHY and BRENDA WOOTTON recorded at the Wadebridge Festival

News from the Folk World [with Tony Foxworthy]

Producer PETER PILBEAM BBC Manchester

CJB


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Coal Bargee (Chris Cheetham)
From: GUEST,Ian Hendrie
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 04:09 PM

As this thread (which rather wandered off topic) has resurfaced I'd like to point out that a recording of 'The Great Lead Rush' can be heard at

www.waterwaysongs.co.uk/Archive_Recordings/Great_Lead_Rush.mp3

There is also a recording of 'Tales of the Towpath' which tells the story of the building of the Manchester Ship Canal (the Big Ditch) and features the Albion Band and narration by Mike Harding. It can be found here :

www.waterwaysongs.co.uk/tales_from_the_towpath.htm


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Coal Bargee (Chris Cheetham)
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 07 Apr 15 - 01:46 PM

Now we're trying to find recordings of various BBC documentaries about canals, waterways, and the folk who live and work on them. They were all aired by the BBC North West from Manchester.

Most are referenced here:

http://www.cpatrust.org.uk/bham_ballads/

"They Brought The Sea To Manchester" 1969

There was a Radio Ballad-type documentary called "They Brought The Sea To Manchester." It features some songs too. In January 1894 Queen Victoria declared the canal open without leaving her carriage which was par for the course for her. Apparently when the lock paddles were opened for the first time the pressure of the water was so great several villages / towns got well flooded as the canal filled up.

"The Big Ditch" 1975

This was in Series 3 of the Ballad of the North West. Again this was about the building of the Manchester Ship Canal.

"Narras and Flats" 17th July 1973

This was part of the BBC North West series Ballad of the North West. This was in the canals episode which was broadcast on 17th July 1973.


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