Liverpool Folk Club 1970

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: banjoman
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 05:38 AM

We remember John well as an old friend. Last saw him at John & Bernie's eldest daughters wedding.

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 07:34 AM

Hi banjoman,
do you remember any funny/memorable storys about him? would love to hear more...

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Frank Sellors
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 09:28 AM

I'm very sorry to hear about John Davies. I used to be a regular at the Bothy, and I knew John. The last time that I spoke to him was at a Bothy anniversary do. I always found John to be really enthusiastic about whatever he was in to, and a really interesting chap to talk to.

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 12:58 PM

Hi Ken Dunlop, if you see this post! Much fun busking with Ols Rope, Barry Walmsley, Ken Chersterman and lots of others qround 73.

Colin Batho came over to The Beech a couple of weeks ago and threatened to bring Keuth over too. All will be welcome. Where do you live now Ken?

Les Jones

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Ken Dunlop
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 05:43 PM

I'm Sorry to hear about John Davies. Back in those days reaching this age was a million years away, but looking back, the seventies were just a few years ago.

Hi Les, I live in the Walton area and work at a college teaching, wait for it....................Business & Management, workers of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your enthusiasm. It sounds worse than it is, the main task is to encourage them to think for themselves.

Here's my poem for today, filched from today's Guardian as a postscript to an article by Aditya Charabortty:


David Musgrave's poem in the latest New Yorker, titled "On the inevitable decline into mediocrity of the popular musician who attains a comfortable middle age": In its entirety it reads, 'Oh Sting, where is thy death?'"

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 03:56 AM

Hi Ken,

so you have gone for the 'subvert the system from the inside' strategy hey? All good stuff. So, get that fiddle out out and use to fight the erm ................ erm ............ alstheim erm ...... I have 'learned' the banjo and it's done me so much good.

Are you still in touch with Keith? You were great team. Do you remember my brother Roy? CP and all that? Lives in Colwyn Bay and is only 80. I have my eye on a similar set of genes.

Cheers

Les

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: banjoman
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 05:38 AM

Ken - wahat exactly do you do at this college - I remember when you "Caretaked" at Storrington Heys. Remember Old Rope's rehearsal room on the ground floor.
Those were the days = when men were men and women were glad -oops sorry Maggie I was only joking.
On a more "serious" note - We were talking a couple of days ago and Maggie asked if the Flat County String Band were still about in any shape or form, or the "Acme" celidh band who played at our wedding in the Cattle Market- later home to the Ale House Folk Club (Old Ropians please note)

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Clive Pownceby
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 06:02 AM

Flat County SB - no longer extant but in a somewhat similar vein, the Britannia Bluegrass Band with Mike Lindon's brother Pat from the 'Flats' on dobro & banjo, and Pete Mackie on upright bass. Ted Costello and Barry Flynn are in there too and I've seen Bernie Davis with 'em on occasion. They have a weekly residency at the Ship in Haskayne.
The Acme still has an active diary with Mike on accordion and wife Norma as caller. The two other members' names escape me.

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Keith Price
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 07:46 AM

Ian Goodyear concertina Clive

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Clive Pownceby
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 07:52 AM

Of course, how could I have forgotten? Oh yeh, that's right - several days of Whitby-induced amnesia last week where I saw him every day in The Elsinore. Familiarity - but not contempt!

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 08:13 AM

So Keith, rumour has it you may visit The Beech sometime. We can arrange security from Warrington if needs be!

Cheers
Les

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Keith Price
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 08:58 AM

See you tonight Les with the bold Batho.Lock up your daughters er grannies

yours or anybodies

Keith

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 01:01 PM

Grannies & daughters in the snug - they take no prisoners

Les

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Ken Dunlop
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 03:36 PM

Les, I remember your brother well, it was Roy who first told me that you were running the club. Send him my regards when you next speak to him. I am in touch with Keith again, he gave me Clive's number a couple of months back, I've only just got around to phoning him. I found this site by accident, but Keith told me the other day that he told me about it when he gave me Clive's number. Did someone say earlier that they had a supply of Alziemer's tablets? I get plenty of e-mails from really nice people in Canada who can supply me with as much Viagra as I want, if it improves memory maybe I should get some.

Pete, I have the grand title of Lecturer in Business and Management. I teach on vocational A levels and Foundation Degree. I cover topics such as employment law, accountancy, HRM and management theory. I've been doing it for just on ten years now and really enjoy it. so much so that I have continued working after retirement age.

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Daughter of JOHN DAVIES of Kings Shilling
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 10:03 AM

Hi All
Was anyone able to track down the full lyrics to the song below,
someone above said they thought it was written by Frank McCall which also seems likely to me too as my Dad John Davies told me it was written by an old friend of his:

Im a man of experience,
just 12 years old
12 years on this earth, has made me real bold,
it has
im telling you....
well i like to eat sweets and drink lemonade
and go to the pictures and pull girls pig tails
i do...
well they ask for it don't they? .....

Thanks
Alison

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 03:11 PM

Alison, I asked Helen, Frank's widow, and she said she couldn't remember the song. I suspect it went back to long before she met Frank.

I really ought to start a seperate thread on this but it's late, I'm shattered and in urgent need of a bath. Clive Pownceby rang me earlier to say that Mary, Keith Price's wife, has just died of a heart attack. Keith, if you read this, I can only say that I'm deeply sorry, as Clive evidently is. He said he'd been pottering about all morning doing bits of jobs and trying not to think of it. I couldn't get on with the job I'd been doing without stopping all the while and brooding on it.

To everyone else, I'll post the funeral details on Mudcat as soon as I know them.

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: banjoman
Date: 11 Sep 10 - 07:37 AM

Keith - Maggie & I want to express our sincere and deepest sympathy for the loss of a very dear old friend from a long time ago. Mary was the nurse on duty when our son Chris was born at Mill road and always had a spot in our thoughts. We will keep her, and you, in our prayers
Pete & Maggie

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,John Cornett
Date: 04 Oct 10 - 06:39 AM

Hi Allison.
Saw Clive last night and he said you were on Mudcat.
Here is a copy of 'Man of Experience' as printed at the time in Willy Russells local folkie magazine 'Wooden Spoon'. I can confirm it was written by Frank in the 1960s. Additional to the main song Frank also had extra little comments after each verse, can't remember all of them but i've included some.

I'm a Man of Experience, i'm just ten years old
ten years on this earth it has made me real bold - it has
I'm telling you.

I like to play football and play cowies with the boys
I think girls are stupid they play with soft toys - they do
I'm telling you.

I like to eat sweets and drink lemonade
and go to the pictures and pull girls pigtails - I do
I'm telling you.
(They ask for it though, 'avin their hair tied like that)

It hurts me to think i've got to marry a girl
One tried to kiss me and it made my hair curl - it did
I'm telling you.
(It was 'orrible, got that lipstick stuff all over me face)

Well Charlies me mate and you want to see him swim
He's gotta new cowie set, so I think I'll marry him - I will
I'm telling you.
(We'll play Cowies and Indians all day)

Next door there's a judy tryin to get in our gang
Charlie said no and I went bang bang - I did
I'm telling you.

But she was real cunning oh all women are
She was getting round Albert oh she thought she'd go far - she did
I'm telling you.

We got hold of Albert at the corner of our street
Hung Albert from a lampost and went home for tea - We did
I'm telling you.
   (We had sausages and beans they wus great)

Alberts old lady she came round to our house
she comp[lained to me Mam she did'nt half grouse - She did
I'm telling you.

Next day I got Maggie and pulled her pigtails
I was just about to bash her when it started to hail - It did
I'm telling you.
(I hate hailstones though - they sting yer ears)

But Charlie went further and called her a swine
threw mud at her knickers which were hangin' on the line - they were
I'm telling you.
(They wont stain though 'cause they was Navy blue)

That's THE END - Thought I had a recording of it somewhere but not been able to find it yet.

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 04 Oct 10 - 07:22 AM

John,

Thanks for posting that. I've passed a copy on to Helen. I asked her about the song a while ago. She had no idea that Frank had written it.

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: banjoman
Date: 04 Oct 10 - 09:55 AM

John - good to see you on Mudcat - love to you and Bernie
Pete & Maggie

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Clive Pownceby
Date: 04 Oct 10 - 10:24 AM

Alison, on the DVD of the Bothy's 21st birthday celebrations in 1986, there's footage of your Dad and John C. singing 'The Marigold.' It's rather splendid. I can send you a copy if you'd like to make contact on [e-mail].

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,John Cornett
Date: 04 Oct 10 - 10:57 AM

Hi Pete.
As you see from the two 'threads' with nothing in them - i'm new to this thing, think i pressed the return key too early.

Bernie did try a few times to contact you by phone to let you know about John D but no answer, assume you were at one of the festivals.

Love and Regards
To Maggie and 'kids'

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,John Cornett
Date: 04 Oct 10 - 11:02 AM

Hi again Allison
Following on from Clive's message, I collated a load of recordings from practices etc into Two CDs of the King's Shilling. I did give your dad copies but if you want them lets know and i'll mail them to you.
John C

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,John Cornett
Date: 04 Oct 10 - 11:05 AM

No Problem Fred – Thanks to Clive for mentioning it last night.
After I had replied I decide to see what else was in the 'thread' and after reading them all for the last three hours they have brought back some wonderful memories.
Just for the Mudcat and memories record, Frank and I started work in the same shipping company in May 1960. At the time he was interested in and singing (dare I mention it) Country & Western, with the usual 3 chords. Frank wanted to learn more so together with fellow worker Dave Donnelley and girlfriend Eve Jones (between us we knew at least 4 chords) we started singing together and after regular trips to the Spinners Club, I am happy to say Frank got converted to the Folk Tradition and we eventually formed a group 'The Farriers' and ran a Folk Club in The Cattlemarket pub (as somebody previously mentioned, it's claim to fame as being Next to the Abbatoir).
Frank and I also frequented the Liverpool Trad Club on Saturday nights in the Bamboo room of the 'Vic' as did a young lad called John Davies who was in a group called the 'Jonhowans' with Howard Parker and wife Ann (hence the name) after providing some Bass harmonies to our songs it was decided the three of us should 're-group' and consequently 'The King's Shilling'(Mark I) was formed, and named, on 3rd March 1968. After enjoying considerable success in the North West clubs Frank eventually decided he wanted to delve further into 'the Tradition' and went off on his travels. This led to the forming of 'The King's Shilling' (Mark II) with the addition of Tony Rosney and similar bookings around North West and also a one week 'World Tour' of the South of England from Swindon to Croydon (and a return booking in Croydon the following week for £12).
Have to leave it there for now, got to cut the grass, or, in the title of an Irish tune 'Trim the Velvet'.
Cheers

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Anne O Donnell to Keith Price
Date: 13 Oct 10 - 04:43 PM

Hope you see this Keith, I was so sorry to hear of Mary's death. We have not been in touch in recent years-- addresses mislaid. so sorry,
Anne.

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Keith Price
Date: 13 Oct 10 - 05:07 PM

Anne please ring 0151 228 0696

Keith

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,joyce jennings nee Bennion
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 04:27 PM

Keith so sorry to hear about Mary.I was just a young cadet nurse when Mary told me that she was a sister at Mill Lane.I was well impressed.We always had a chin wag about nursing.Take care Keith

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,joyce jennings nee Bennion
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 04:31 PM

Ken I remember baby sitting your kids with my sister and the Irish sessions at Ye Crack, and Old Rope's folk club.

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Tim Malette
Date: 09 Nov 10 - 02:29 PM

I am from New Hampshire in the USA. In 1965 through 1968, I was in a folk band also called The Tarrymen. I have no idea how we came up with the name, but now that I can look it up on the internet, it was fitting.

We perfomed around the New England states at coffee houses and colleges.

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Nov 10 - 03:14 PM

noel scanlon is my dad .unfortunately he passed away june 2008 .
he had a fantastic voice and sang many many songs . he sang dannyboy in the irish centre ( st michaels club west derby rd ) on st patricks day most years untill 2007 . my dad was born in dingle bay co kerry and was always very proud of his irish roots . he lived in liverpool , england from the age of 17 and never lost any part of his irish accent . does anyone know if bruce scott does giggs anywere ? it would be nice to hear him sing the song my dad taught him The Rocks Of Bawn . my email is [e-mail]

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 12 Nov 10 - 02:31 AM

Bruce Scott and the Rocks of Bawn!!!!!!!! How could anyone forget Bruce singing that - powerful bit of singing for sure. The Bamboo room of the Vic and the Customs House?

L in C#

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: banjoman
Date: 12 Nov 10 - 05:18 AM

Bruce Scott was (and perhaps still is) a Liverpool legend. Always sang better when suitably imbibed. I remember him singing The rocks of Bawn in the Mitre and having to be virtually held upright by Bernie Davis & John Howson.
Those were the days ?? He was part of the vast Melia clan, and I know that his cousin Mike still lives in Skem.

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Liberty Boy
Date: 12 Nov 10 - 11:40 AM

Bruce Scott is a legend, full stop. Still around and singing as well as ever.

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Bob Deluce
Date: 13 Nov 10 - 07:19 PM

I was a telephone engineer in Liverpool City Centre. Most mornings myself and John Chalton would help Silkie (a lovely girl) and Brian Fergie clean up in the Green Moose Cafe. We should have been mending telephones but the Green Moose was far more interesting. John was probably the finest slide/blues guitar player and singer you could find anywhere in the world. He was and possibly still is totally brilliant. Brian Fergie also was beyond compare as a 5 string banjo player.

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: LesB
Date: 14 Nov 10 - 04:02 AM

"would help Silkie (a lovely girl) and Brian Fergie clean up in the Green Moose Cafe."
Did that include emptying the 'wee' bucket in the cellar?
:-)
Cheers
Les

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,John Howson
Date: 15 Nov 10 - 06:19 PM

Picking up on Diane Scanlon's thread about her dad Noel(who I remember well) and Bruce Scott.

Diane email me an address and I'll send you a copy of Bruce's CD 'My Colleen by the Shore' which has the opening track 'Rocks of Bawn'. [e-mail]

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: terrier
Date: 25 Nov 10 - 09:46 AM

YouTube's a strange beast, I was just looking for something totally unrelated but this is what I found (apologies if it's been posted before)

L'Pool Folk

Were you part of the sixties scouse folk scene? If so see how many faces you can recognise, I'm obviously too young to remember any ;~p

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 25 Nov 10 - 10:06 AM

Amazin!

Thanks Tom Terrier, trust you are both well?

I spotted a very enthusiastic Tony Wilson. It must have been cold in that room people seem to have big coats on and even hats

L in C#

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Mr Happy
Date: 25 Nov 10 - 10:18 AM

They all look like they've come straight fom a job interview or a wedding!

Suits, ties, hats!

Yeehah, what snappy dressers we were in those days!

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Derek Schofield
Date: 24 Jan 11 - 06:35 PM

Go on then - how many of you were at the Phil last night for the Jackie and Bridie Folk Club 50th anniversary and final night concert?
Derek

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: terrier
Date: 25 Jan 11 - 10:10 AM

Matron wouldn't let me out ;)

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 25 Jan 11 - 11:13 AM

There's a very good review of the night by Alun Parry at the Yo! Liverpool forum Jacqui and Bridie's final folk club. Sounds like a great night.

I had wanted to go but couldn't change my shift at work - never mind, I'll soon be joining the ranks of Mudcat Idlers.

Matthew

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 25 Jan 11 - 11:31 AM

...and even better, here's a You Tube clip from the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Channel of Jacqui herself talking about the concert (along with a few others) - Jacqui and Bridie's Folk Club.

Matthew

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Derek Schofield
Date: 25 Jan 11 - 01:32 PM

there are a few youtube clips as well ... in spite of the no cameras, no video signs everywhere on the night!
Derek

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Guest, Mary Hastings(nee Carney)
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 09:34 AM

Bet you all wondered when I was going to appear on this site(or maybe you were glad I hadn't)
Mary Hollins(Edwards) told me about it last year. Andy Seagroatt had told her about it.
We had a really good browse. Loads of good memories - also some we may want to forget. Here's a few.
The greeen Moose on a Saturday afternoon with a vague smell of weed in the air. Andy Seagroatt strumming away on the mandolin. Chatting with Colin or Ted behind the counter. Brendan McCormack giving us a tune after the Vic had closed and we'd gone back to the Moose for a coffee and mini session.
Mabel in The Post Office around the corner constantly asking Mary and I were we 18!! No one asks me that now!
Coming back from The Bothy on a Sunday night with Tony Wilson, and ohers,on the train. If there was a hold up Tony would shout "British Fail" all over the train.
Remember the barmaid at the Vic.
Southport Swords first busk at Knutsford on May Day.
Returned to Whitby Folk Week for the first time in 39 years in Aug 2009 but I will return. Had a great few days-so much to do.

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,bigJ
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 09:49 AM

Hey Mary,
Do you remember you and Mary doing the curtains (ex George Henry Lee) for my baby son's nursery - he's forty next year.
Best wishes.
John

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 11:52 AM

Alright John, just because you were the only folklie in 1960s Liverpool who could afford to shop at George Henry Lee.

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,bigJ
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 04:55 PM

Fred,
Nope, I worked there - as did the two Marys.
Talk about surrounded by women.

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Mary Hastings
Date: 09 Feb 11 - 09:27 AM

I didn't work at G H Lee. Mary, Susan, and Jacqui worked there. I worked in a Lab, evntually at Dista Products in Speke - but was doing clerical work when I first went to the Green Moose. A girl called Maureen told me about it. After my first visit to the Folk Club there was no turning back so to speak - next The Vic, Carlton Folk Club, first ceilidhs, Festivals, MFRA!!, The Bothy - the rest is history - made some lifelong friendships

Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 09 Feb 11 - 09:56 AM

Alright John, just because you were the only folklie in 1960s Liverpool with enough breeding and class to work at George Henry Lee. Well, apparently not.