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BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle

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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Maryrrf
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 10:43 PM

"D.F." is Districto Federal = Mexico City


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 01:06 AM

Thanks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Raptor
Date: 09 Jan 12 - 12:13 PM

I saw the eagles play in Buffalo this season and the protesters were out in full force.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: gnu
Date: 09 Jan 12 - 03:26 PM

This might be a TERRIBLE thing to say, but, he has been "injury prone" since his return, hasn't he?


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: kendall
Date: 09 Jan 12 - 09:07 PM

Low life, scum sucking, son of a syphilitic whore's pig fucking,bastard.He's lucky I wasn't his judge.Lynching was ok for his dog, it's ok for him.
Strong post to follow.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Jan 12 - 03:48 AM

I like gnu's hint.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 01:05 AM

But then again, depending on how his career goes, it might go WAY UP in value!...then the loss would be YOURS!..screw it, he did his time, and if he wouldn't have got busted in the first place NOBODY would have hardly heard of him!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: kendall
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 07:15 AM

If he jumped off the Empire State building and made a big hit on Broadway it would be no loss to me.I don't cre if he can throw a friggin' football to the moon, he's still sub human to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 01:51 PM

Vick was one of the most famous players in Football before he was arrested. His cousins all ratted on him and got slaps on the wrist. He went to federal prison did his time, got out and apologized. Case closed. Lets talk about football.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Raptor
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 02:38 PM

This, as far as I can read, is not a thread about football. Its a thread about a SOB who hung a dog by the back legs and tortured it to a slow death because that son of a bitch lost some money when the dog didn't kill its oponent in a fight it was forced to be in.

I am troubled by anyone who thinks that such a monster did his time after 18 months at "Club Fed".

If you want to ignore this thread and go talk football there is a thread for that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: kendall
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 02:40 PM

BRAVO


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 02:55 PM

Hear hear Raptor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 02:55 PM

Raptor, Worse is done to cows and chickens for your benefit every day. No one goes to jail. In fact there are government subsidies.

He wasn't the only responsible adult involved. According to the reports he was not directly involved in nearly all of the crimes. He took the heat. He took responsibility. He went to jail. He ended up losing tens of millions of income as a result. He was the only one seriously punished for the crimes. That is more than can be said for a lot of criminals out there, including the people who will be fighting animals this very night.

Do any of you believe in second chances? In rehabilitation? Give it a rest will you? Go find a current problem to moan about.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 02:59 PM

JtS... "got out and apologized"

Ah, noooo, not that I know of. He was interviewed and asked if their was anything he wish he could change about his life... any thing he was sorry for. He did NOT mention the dog fighting. John Stewart, on The Daily Show (I think it was him) showed a clip of the interview on and went apeshit on Vick.

Yes, he paid his debt and, yes, he deserves a second chance and, yes, I am enjoying seeing him getting hit hard, especially when his own team players allow it to happen... "Sorry, Mikey, I didn't pick up that block like I should have, dawg." Yeah, I know they have jobs and wanna keep em, but, a missed block here and there? What the hell.

Psychotic piece of trash! Sic Rover!


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 03:13 PM

apology news


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 03:30 PM

Thanks Jts. I hadn't seen that. All I saw was what I said above.

In any case, there is still a part of me that says, "Karma's a bitch, eh Mikey?" I know that ain't right, but it's the way I feel.

I hope he gets the help he needs. Of course, he obviously has and will on accounta there is a lotta $$$ ridin on his success.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 03:55 PM

""Sorry, Mikey, I didn't pick up that block like I should have, dawg."

I also think that there is zero of the above going on because of his crimes. Keep in mind that his aggressive running invites hits and that he is over 30. and only 6 feet tall. The injuries are par for the course. Also a lot of QBs get hit more than he does and he is the only one, so far, convicted of financing and abetting dog fighting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Raptor
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 06:31 PM

Wow if the Holywood gossip printed it it must be true.

Great reporting.
I think his publisist might have written that or his agent mabey.
Just a guess.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: kendall
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 07:18 PM

Anyone who apologizes for that sicko is as sick as he is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 08:09 PM

The Eagles is the perfect team for Vick...

Bunch of sickos...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 08:25 PM

Odd you should say that, Bobert. I have never liked the Eagles. Always found them to be "dirty" players... nasty... bent on dirty play and injury. I COULD be wrong, but smash-mouth is one thing and dirty is another. Just always felt that way. Like Philly in hockey... just nasty and dirty.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Raptor
Date: 11 Jan 12 - 08:27 PM

I'd say the Lions are going that way this year with Suh and the others getting flagged for dirty play. Shit if you shake thier coaches hand too fast he'll try to pick a fight.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: kendall
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 08:21 AM

To me, they are all little boys that never grew up emotionally.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 08:28 AM

"Anyone who apologizes for that sicko is as sick as he is."

Are you referring to me? I don't apologize for other people. But I do believe the man has served his time. I also believe that he received harsher punishment than his cohorts because he was famous. I think you all might have a legit beef with the prosecutors and whether you think the sentencing guidelines are stiff enough. But Vick is an ex-con who has done all that he was told to do. If you hate dog fighting, perhaps you can find a more current and productive way to express that.

Why Don't you support the Humane Society like this guy does?


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 08:45 AM

Raptor,

You are being very disrespectful to me. I will not return that treatment. You sarcastically commented report of the apology because of its source. Here is another source. The Humane Society of the US

It seems that the HSUS believes that Vick was "strongly" punished considering the law at the time.

"Given the penalties available at the time he was sentenced, U.S. District Court Judge Henry Hudson meted out a strong penalty to Vick. He paid a steep price for his crimes, in addition to serving his prison sentence. The HSUS has worked to upgrade the federal animal fighting law twice in the last two years. The penalties are much more severe now than in April 2007, when Vick's home was raided. The HSUS has been pushing for felony-level penalties for animal fighting crimes for years because that's the only way to drive criminals out of this business."

Vick seems to be making a substantial effort ($1,000,000) to mitigate the damage and to decrease dog fighting.

"After meeting with Vick and hearing him express his remorse, Pacelle consulted with The HSUS' board of directors and staff. Despite our utter disgust with what Vick did and our leading role in making sure he was convicted and punished for his crimes, we decided that shunning Vick forever would do no good for any animal. Vick paid $1 million for the care and rehabilitation of the dogs at Bad Newz Kennels. Now, we want him to contribute his time to attack the problem by reaching inner-city youth. "


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Raptor
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 09:32 AM

Please don't take it personally that I've never heard of the Holywood gossip or that I don't consider it to be a trust worthy source, Or that I think it terribly nieve to believe a piece of shit who tourtured dogs for fun, when he says that he's sorry,or that I don't buy the fact that anyone displaying such pure evil can be rehabilitated.

I'm sure you are a great guy, how can you not be, you're from the tropical Island of NFLD!


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 10:01 AM

The "Holywood gossip" article was quoting a letter that Vick had put out there. "the newly-released star and new member of the Philadephia Eagles has written a lengthy, public apology"

They mentioned the letter and quoted the letter. I posted this in response to Gnu saying that Gnu had only heard one apology which Jon Stewart had trashed. I would trust nearly any news source, no matter what it called itself, to quote a letter in the public domain. So I did not look for a second source.


Here's the deal. You don't think he is sorry? Who gives a fuck whether he is or not? He is walking the walk.

According to the Humane Society of The United States, an organization which was instrumental in prosecuting him and presented evidence used in his trial,

Vick
received a very harsh sentence given the law at the time. He served it, was model prisoner and earned his parole.
Vick lobbied Congress for tougher penalties for Dog fighting crimes
Vick donated one million dollars to an organization that rehabilitates fighting dogs.
Vick speaks regularly to youth to discourage "Dog fighting culture."

It is arguable, almost a certainty, that Vick, since his conviction has made a bigger contribution to stopping dog fighting in the US that any other individual in the history of this country. He doesn't seem sorry enough for you? Tough shit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 10:07 AM

None of us are in a position to KNOW what's in Vick's heart, whether he truly cares about dogs now or just truly cares about his image. We can't know--we have to rely on gossip and reports from the media, and that's not knowing.

I'm sort of amazed that his career hasn't seemed to suffer much. I'm sort of amazed at what people (OK, football fans) will overlook. On one hand, I'm amazed.

On the other, I'm not, because WE CAN'T REALLY KNOW what's in Vick's heart. We, however, are prettydamnedsure he's a good football player.

People might want a crucifixion, but I don't see that as our job. Remembering-- maybe. Not watching football games with him in them-- sure. Never letting the guy own a dog again-- I hope so. Making other people feel bad for not agreeing with the views that we hold because of what we've heard about him-- no.

Me, I really do think he's changed, mostly because it's good for his career. If the change in behavior opened him up to a change in thinking, it's a good thing. Luckily, I don't care much for football. (Go Pats, anyway!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 10:24 AM

Jeri, Thank you for making that point. It clarifies what I have been trying to say. You are right. There is no way to know what is in Vick's heart.

I look at his performance, or any other player's performance on and off the field and see the same thing. Are they doing it for the love of the game? For the money?

Why do so many have charitable foundations? To really help people? To have a golf tourney named for them? For a tax break. Look at Tim Tebow does he wear his religion on his sleeve to save souls or to sell Jerseys with his name on them. There is no proof that he is doing the former, but the sales numbers show that he is doing the latter, even before his success of the last couple of months.

I admire Vick as a football player, how he is as a moral human being is not for me to judge. How he is a role model? He does seem to be making a substantial effort to mitigate his past mistakes. But I really don't care about that when I watch him play, anymore than I care about how "Godly" Tebow is or what charities Tom Brady or Drew Brees support.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Raptor
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 11:39 AM

Lets think about this "Walking the walk" shit.

If he gives out some lame apology to the Gosip rag reading plebeans, And seems to be as remorsefull as he can while his shifty eyes gave him away in the 60 minutes interview, and donate $1000000 of the multi-million dollar salary he only gets if a few people are stunned enough to beleve he is sorry, Then he gets to play football to make said money.

If he didn't get out with this, albeit transparent, change of mind I'd doubt he could get a mimimum wage job sweeping up shit at the zoo.

Do you also credit Charles Manson for the new tougher chrimes against murder?


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 12:14 PM

According to the HSUS.

Vick, received a very harsh sentence given the law at the time. He served it and earned his parole.
Vick lobbied Congress for tougher penalties for Dog fighting crimes
Vick donated one million dollars to an organization that rehabilitates fighting dogs.
Vick speaks regularly to youth to discourage "Dog fighting culture."

Name another person on earth who has done as much to combat dog fighting in the past three years.

What do you want him to do? Lick your balls?


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Raptor
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 01:08 PM

You don't seem to get it. He is making millions of dollars because some people believe his shit. He is only doing what any smart agent would tell him to do.

Why do you feel he is entitled to forgiveness?

Do you realy believe that 18 months in a high class prison with catered food and gym facilities is suficient punishment for such an evil act?

Do you think its OK to turture a dog to death?

Are you into dogfighting?

And I'll thank you to leave my balls out of it, Mater of fact it troubles me that you feel the need to mention my balls at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: kendall
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 01:25 PM

He can fake sorrow all he wants, is is still one sick son of a bitch and he will never change.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 01:31 PM

I am conflicted on this. On the one hand, I can't stand Michael Vick and I don't like his damn team either. On the other hand, I can't stand dogs. They got a real bad attitude toward chimps. I been assaulted by various stupid dogs in my time...and I had to kill a few of 'em too, cos they wouldn't take "no" for an answer.

Still, it sounds to me like this dog that Michael Vick tortured to death was just a poor victim of a sick human being who oughta be hung out to dry. Dogs got rights too, uh?

Then there is the question of forgiveness. Jesus said to forgive everyone. There might be somethin' to that. I would be willin' to give it consideration. But did King Kong forgive the corrupt bozos who kidnapped him and shot him off the Empire State Building? I don't think so! My guess is he would've been happy to stomp 'em all into the pavement if he got the chance.

So do we forgive Michael Vick after he has "paid his dues"? Hmmmm. What would be better? To go on punishin' the man forever or to let the matter pass and let him get on with playin' football? Hmmmmm.

It's a tough one. I gotta have another drink and think about it some.

And then there's the matter of Raptor's balls...sheesh! Gimme a break. You ever notice how hard it is to not think about somethin' when somebody else mentions it?

Like try this: Don't think about an elephant right now! Don't do it. Not on any condition. You will be sorry if you think about an elephant.

See? Enough to drive ya crazy, ain't it?

- Chongo


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Raptor
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 01:37 PM

LEAVE MY BALLS OUT OF THIS YOU SICKOS!


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 01:42 PM

Don't blame me, Raptor. I didn't start it. In fact, I am most eager to stop thinkin' about yer balls ASAP, so I wish you would just drop the subject.

- Chongo


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 02:16 PM

>>>You don't seem to get it. He is making millions of dollars because some people believe his shit. He is only doing what any smart agent would tell him to do.<<<

He is making millions because he is skilled at Football. He'd be playing, if he did just one of the three things he is doing for the HSUS. He certainly could have kept his million dollars.

>>>Why do you feel he is entitled to forgiveness?<<<

Everyone is entitled to forgiveness. As Jeri said, I can't see his soul. He is outwardly doing quite a bit. What is more he is putting himself in contact with dog lovers and kids who may become dog fighters in the work he is doing for the HSUS.

>>>Do you realy believe that 18 months in a high class prison with catered food and gym facilities is suficient punishment for such an evil act?<<<

It was a stiff sentence for the time. Should Congress have passed a special law just to punish Michael Vick? Read the HSUS FAQ. They hardly get to prosecute anyone, much less a famous rich person.   Have a guess who is NOW lobbying to make the sentences stiffer?

>>>Do you think its OK to turture a dog to death?<<<

No I do not.

>>>Are you into dogfighting?<<<

No I am not. Are you into having your balls licked?

>>And I'll thank you to leave my balls out of it, Mater of fact it troubles me that you feel the need to mention my balls at all.<<

You seem very tense. Perhaps you would feel better after having your balls licked? I hear that all that you need is some peanut butter and a willing higher order mammal. Perhaps Chongo is available?


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Raptor
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 02:34 PM

Hey sailor what is your fasination with licking my balls?

You know what, don't answer that, I'm creeped out enough already.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Raptor
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 02:38 PM

Not that there is anything wrong with that but I don't go that way. All the power to ya though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 02:48 PM

Don't go volunteerin' me for nothin', Jack. I got enough on my plate as it is. Bein' "available" ain't the same thing as bein' "willing".

Just think, though...if Michael Vick had had a service like that available to him way back when, he might not of got so tense. And then he might not've tortured that poor dog in the first place. Why, he mighta become a real nice guy instead and gone around doin' good deeds and helpin' little old ladies cross the street and stuff. Makes ya think, don't it?

- Chongo


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 02:51 PM

A man is a better man with relaxed balls.... is all I am saying!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 02:59 PM

No doubt about that! Ook! Ook!

- Chongo


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: gnu
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 02:59 PM

That kinda statement could back ta bite ya in the balls, JtS. >;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 03:16 PM

Well, it was gettin' a bit teste in here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 03:38 PM

Gnu the statement can bite away. Its the higher order mammals that worry me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: gnu
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 03:52 PM

I knew one higher order mammal once. Man, she could... ahhh, nevermind.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 09:13 PM

A 3-year-old boy examined his testicles while taking a bath. 'Mom', he asked, 'Are these my brains?'
'Not yet,' she replied.


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Raptor
Date: 13 Jan 12 - 08:58 AM

Can we go back to our regulairly schedualed disagreement without mentioning my balls and what sould be done with them now?


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Jan 12 - 09:04 AM

I don't understand the idolatry afforded to sub-humans who can kick balls anyway. That's inflated bladders of wind, not testicles. Come to that there are apparently morons who admire boxers, wrestlers, and cage fighters. Last days of Rome come to mind?


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Subject: RE: BS: Michael Vick, dog-fighter, is an Eagle
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 13 Jan 12 - 09:16 AM

Yes. You are correct. The only true entertainment is archaic dusty irrelevant songs croaked by middle aged part timers.


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