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Tech: MS Update behaviour, IE8

Penny S. 21 Aug 09 - 08:56 AM
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Subject: Tech: MS Update behaviour, IE8
From: Penny S.
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 08:56 AM

Last week IE8 arrived on my laptop and installed itself without asking. I used it for a bit, but there were a number of problems. A program wouldn't work with it, and everything got very, very slow. I could only type about 10 characters before it hung long enough to carve them in stone.

I used System Restore to go back before it arrived, and all is fine. But, Automatic Upgrades, which I have set to notify me of existing updates, but not download without my sayso, is still overriding that. It looked OK in Control Panel, Security, but still went on by itself. I switched it off completely. But when I started up this morning, there it went again busily downloading, and this time, was in its window as being on. It is now off again. I went to the MS site to find that all the security updates are up to date on my computer.

What is going on, and how do I stop it?

Penny


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Subject: RE: Tech: MS Update behaviour, IE8
From: Penny S.
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 10:41 AM

Furthermore, something keeps deleting my cookies.

Currently updating my virus etc security stuff.

Penny


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Subject: RE: Tech: MS Update behaviour, IE8
From: olddude
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 10:54 PM

Penny are you using Vista or XP?
did you go into control panel , automatic updates and disable it?
also if it does start to download it right click the icon for the update at the bottom of the screen and click do not install this should stop it from trying again ...


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Subject: RE: Tech: MS Update behaviour, IE8
From: Penny S.
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 04:53 AM

XP, and I disabled in Control Panel. The shield icon would not allow any options, certainly not to stop the installation. However, I'm not sure if I right clicked it. I'll watch out next time. I'm off to Mcdonald's free Wifi for faster security updating.

Penny


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Subject: RE: Tech: MS Update behaviour, IE8
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 12:20 AM

Be wary of believing McDonalds' "free wi-fi" promotion. In my area it's free the first few times; but the fine print says it's a 30-day free trial for AT&T wi-fi. If you don't have - or get - an AT&T wi-fi account, it stops working 30 days after the first time you use it. Even another different kind of AT&T ISP account won't work, so far as we could learn, after the free trial period. (They may have a different arrangement elsewhere, but that's how it works here.)

IHOP has a similar pitch, with even less transparent fine print in the "acceptance of terms." IHOP has the advantage of being open 24/7 while at McDonalds only the "drive through window" is open late at night; but here IHOP actually is a "piggy back" connection on the McDonald's one, and it works only as long as a McDonalds nearby leaves the server running when the store closes - and until the 30-day free trial runs out and/or you sign up for some way to pay for AT&T wi-fi.

There are ways of buying "time cards" to use AT&T wi-fi after the trial period runs out, but they're complex (as explained to us) and relatively expensive.

Thus far, Barnes & Noble is about the only place we've found a "forever free" wi-fi connection. It works only if you have some sort of ISP account with "somebody." The difference is that they have a list of almost every "somebody" you're likely to have an account with and you just click on the one you want, so they continue to work every time and everywhere, and apparently for as long as you want to keep stopping in and have an email account (almost) anywhere.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: MS Update behaviour, IE8
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 12:30 AM

Meanwhile, How do I uninstall or remove Internet Explorer 8?, Knowledge Base article 957700 from Microsoft may help.

Backing off to an earlier setup via System Recover may leave remnants of IE8 on your computer, with automatic update thinking you want IE8 but that it just didn't install correctly, so they'll keep trying.

So far as I've heard, if you uninstall it so that there are no traces of IE8 on your computer, it should once again be an "optional update" and it won't keep trying to reinstall itself without asking permission.

(Note though that I've been a bit out of touch with the whole Internet for about a month, so Mickey's policy on IE8 may have changed somewhat while I wasn't looking.)

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: MS Update behaviour, IE8
From: Penny S.
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 03:03 PM

Thanks. There are now problems with my security software which demands reinstallation. I think I may well be going for a restore to factory and rebuild - that's on my other machine. This one is IE8 free, and security running OK. I'll look up the instructions on this one. Interesting that they need to post them.
It hasn't tried updating last time I was at the golden arches. Ours is linked via something called The Cloud, and it doesn't seem to have limits, As I'm only using it until I have my new house and broadband there, a limit shouldn't matter. And there's always Starbucks unfree setup with BT.

Penny


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Subject: RE: Tech: MS Update behaviour, IE8
From: Tangledwood
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 05:34 PM

Penny, I ran into similar problems a few months ago - it may actually have happened when IE8 installed, I'm not certain. One of the issues was that MS Word disappeared. Anyway, I searched on the MS site for a way to restore Word and found a script file there that apparently rebuilds the registry. It cured that problem OK.

Sometime later an unrelated problem came up. I accidently ran that script, not remembering what it was, and it repaired that problem too. I can't be more specific where to find the file without a search but it may save you some work if you can find it.

This is the text of the file with the caveat that I don't know anything about this stuff. More knowledgeable people here may be able to explain. To run it, copy into a txt file then change the txt extension to cmd:

cd /d "%ProgramFiles%\Windows Resource Kits\Tools"
subinacl /subkeyreg HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE /grant=administrators=f /grant=system=f
subinacl /subkeyreg HKEY_CURRENT_USER /grant=administrators=f /grant=system=f
subinacl /subkeyreg HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT /grant=administrators=f /grant=system=f
subinacl /subdirectories %SystemDrive% /grant=administrators=f /grant=system=f
subinacl /subdirectories %windir%\*.* /grant=administrators=f /grant=system=f
secedit /configure /cfg %windir%\repair\secsetup.inf /db secsetup.sdb /verbose

Microsoft provides programming examples for illustration only, without warranty either expressed or implied. This includes, but is not limited to, the implied warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose. This article assumes that you are familiar with the programming language that is being demonstrated and with the tools that are used to create and to debug procedures. Microsoft support engineers can help explain the functionality of a particular procedure. However, they will not modify these examples to provide added functionality or construct procedures to meet your specific requirements.


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Subject: RE: Tech: MS Update behaviour, IE8
From: Penny S.
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 05:12 AM

Thanks again. I am currently updating my reinstalled McAfee, and have run their Quickclean program to tidy the registry, so it may have picked up any IE8 traces.

The computer has now forgotten its PCMCIA card - it did come out yesterday, but I wouldn't have thought it needed reinstalling - unless it was before I did the tidy.

I wish computers were like washing machines. You buy one with certain features. It keeps those features and keeps working with them. It does not change. My freeview box keeps adapting itself, too, and I have to balance the advantages of the new version with its disadvantages - I am no longer allowed to remove from view the dross stations - in some cases "adult" material I regard more as adolescent male.

Penny


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Subject: RE: Tech: MS Update behaviour, IE8
From: Penny S.
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 05:16 AM

And automatic updates is now on again, and will not let me stop it. Not by clicking or rightclicking the icon, or in control panel/security centre. I am steaming angry. I can't disconnect, because it is in the middle of updating McAfee, and that doesn't resume if broken.

Penny


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