BS: Legal action over BNP membership

Subject: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Emma B
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 05:44 AM

It was good to arrive home from Moira Furnace Folk Festival and find an email from Hope not Hate notifying me that the Luton protest had been prevented from going ahead.

The Hope not Hate campaign states its aims are two fold -

To celebrate modern Britain
and
To expose the extremism behind the BNP

I believe there is a strong need for the latter especially has there have been previous attempts to spread pernicious racist views on this site both above and below the BS line

Simply trading insults with the kind of people that shouted abuse at us at Codnor doesn't appear to me to serve any useful purpose and, counter productively, only serves to lose posts, such as the one Owen mentioned on the 24th - that the UK's equalities watchdog has begun legal action against the British National Party over concerns about ethnic restrictions on its membership - in a morass of mutual taunts.

A statement from The Equality and Human Rights Commission said
""The commission believes the BNP's constitution and membership criteria are discriminatory and, further, that the continued publication of them on the BNP website is unlawful.

"It has therefore issued county court proceedings against party leader Nick Griffin and two other officials."

Here is the Section of the BNP's constitution which deals with membership
Section 2

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 06:03 AM

Emma B "Simply trading insults.............doesn't appear to me to serve any useful purpose".

I agree. I know it's very hard to resist rising to the bait when "Sam" or one of his mates posts some virulent racist rubbish, and I'll own up it's happened to me. But honestly, these people are not worth arguing with. There are a lot of otherwise good sound folk out there who are seduced by racist arguments, because they just don't understand the issues involved. But case hardened fascists are noxious and narrow minded. And they are like a bunch of childish kids shouting abuse to draw attention to themselves. If Mudcat people ignored them they would stop posting.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Emma B
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 06:14 AM

David Hannam

Position: former BNP branch organiser for Hull and now the party's accountant and deputy treasurer

2000 - Three months custody for his part in the production and distribution of a racist and anti-Semitic leaflet during the 1999 European election campaign.

Managing Director of Great White Records, a United Kingdom-based company that describes itself as a "patriotic record label", affiliated to the British National Party

Wrote the music for and sang the song (with lyrics by Nick Griffin) that featured in the BNP's party political broadcast in 2005


277 POSTS TO MUDCAT!

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Wolfgang
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 06:34 AM

277 POSTS TO MUDCAT!

No, 360. You forgot to count the some dozen GUEST posts as "Dave Hannan"

Wolfgang (to whom "Dave" doesn't make this person any more likable than "David")

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Emma B
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 06:43 AM

Thanks Wolfgang :)

'Vigilant not vituperative' !

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: GUEST,Sam
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 06:50 AM

The mayor of a town council has been charged with breaking into women's homes and stealing underwear.

Ian Stafford, 58, who has reportedly resigned as Mayor of Preesall in Lancashire, was charged on Monday by Lancashire Police with three counts of burglary in connection with the missing garments.

Female residents called in police after their underwear kept disappearing and one woman even installed a hidden camera in her bedroom.

A Lancashire police spokesman said: "Ian Stafford has been charged with three counts of burglary in a dwelling in connection with incidents at addresses in Preesall, Poulton-le-Fylde and Stalmine between January 1 and June 26 2009."

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: theleveller
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 07:14 AM

Emma, thanks for the heads up on David Hannam - a totally nasty bastard. I'll keep my eyes peeled for him.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: theleveller
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 07:18 AM

And, of course, there was the time when David Hannam and Mark Collett took 14 and 15-year old girls back to their hotel room:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE2FCqsNtyw

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Emma B
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 07:30 AM

Well I missed that last little piece of sad and scurrilous news today but totally fail to see what it has to do with the current thread - perhaps Sam you'd like to relocate it somewhere more appropiate?

Meanwhile, back to purpose....

Back in 2005 Little Musgrave, addressing a 'music' thread started by David/Dave Hannam wrote

'It would be nice to think that by ignoring the BNP they'll just go away. Unfortunately the only thing that seems to work (as the late 70s shows) is to challenge them at every step. Otherwise the folk memory of what a bunch of thugs they are tends to fade away, and before we know it, someone like Nick Griffin comes along and tries to turn them into a credible force'


Ignoring the BNP is not the answer although I think people like Sam are just attention seeking trouble makers intent on disrupting the forum and hardly worth the bother of replying to.

What is important is not to either ignore or simply oppose the racist slurs and outright lies often the subject of threads here but to continue to EXPOSE them with facts.

While Griffin claims the BNP is not racist this is what he has to say on miscegenation

'Nor even does it mean that we think that it is a good thing for even a single person of European stock to have so much as one child with a Japanese or Chinese.
We do not, because such a union mixes what are not meant to be mixed, destroys two ancient family lines, and undermines two equally great but entirely separate cultures.
Much though many people would rather see a totally all-white Britain, this less than perfect arrangement and the fact that the United States of America is under the control of multi-racist fanatics who would bomb this country back into the Stone Age if we gave them the excuse by evicting the last non-whites at gunpoint.

However much we understand why miscegenation is fundamentally a bad thing, here are a hundred ways in which miscegenation could be discouraged – having TV soaps portray the problems it really can cause rather than presenting a fantasy picture of how wonderful it is supposed to be would be just one. Best of all, however, would be an education system that teaches children of different races to have pride in their own people and to understand the essentially unnatural and destructive nature of miscegenation.

Do I regard a black or Asian, who loves Britain, as a suitable candidate to stand for the BNP at election time? No, I do not.

Do I regard someone who is married to or living with a partner of another race as a suitable member or candidate for the BNP? No, because by their choice they have clearly shown that they do not share our most fundamental values."

'Vigilant not vituperative'

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 07:36 AM

I've just advised people to ignore postings by Sam and similar, but his latest is just too funny for words. "The mayor of a town council has been charged with breaking into women's homes and stealing underwear."

I remember Colin Jordan, leader and founder of the British Movement, being convicted for stealing three pairs of women's knickers, all coloured red, from a Tesco store. His defence? It's a frameup. Tesco is a Jewish company.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 07:43 AM

Emma. Sorry. I posted my previous posting before I saw your comments on the dangers of ignoring the BNP.

Just to clarify things, I agree entirely. Ignoring the BNP is like ignoring cancer, with potentially the same lethal consequences. But scurrilous arguments from the likes of Sam, or whatever he plans to call himself next, are best regarded as the cyberspacial equivalent of toilet paper.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: GUEST,Mr Red
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 08:42 AM

Restriction on membership is a thorny problem.

As much as we dislike the fact that a club might restrict people we champion, and in the case of the BNP only makes sense in the context of racial discrimination but.....

Private members clubs have sometimes good reason and the danger of making exceptions in law rewards only the lawyers.

Would we expect the Mothers' Union to expect the inclusion of the Jewish, Zoroastrian, and Muslim faith? It is a Union based on the Church of England. TWG and WI similalry are gender based.

I once applied for a job at a Christian Book company. They were not allowed to insist I was a Christian, but they were at pains to point out that there would be mandatory prayer breaks instead of tea drinking. Maybe I didn't get the job because I only drink coffee. My devout Atheism was never discussed.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Stower
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 08:43 AM

About time. I have often wondered how the BNP remain a legal entity. Let's hope they are illegalised out of existence. It won't change the hardcore views of hardcore members, of course, but it will take away their legal flatform, take away a stepping stone into extremism from those on the fringes of temptation into legalised vicious hatred, and make me feel a whole lot safer.

Ever so slightly off topic, I know, but the comment above, "But scurrilous arguments from the likes of Sam, or whatever he plans to call himself next" is surely a good argument for making Mudcat a members only forum, as this thread is currently discussing. As someone who has been on the receiving end of extreme abuse from non-members (now deleted, thanks, Max), I would welcome this move wholeheartedly.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 09:03 AM

I am interested in olddude's idea of getting a suitably insured US contingency lawyer to sue Fakebook - who in turn might well seek an indemnity from their BNP members

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Emma B
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 09:11 AM

A political party is 'a political organization that seeks to attain and maintain political power within government' - I don't think an analogy with the Womens Institute is altogether useful unless its aims have changed significantly in recent years :)


We have publicly-funded party political broadcasts; in the Scottish Parliament election the party fielded 32 candidates which entitled the BNP to public funding for its campaign and an election broadcast paid for by taxpayers who yet have no right to even join the party on the grounds of their race or even marriage to someone of another race.

and this observation from the (hardly left leaning) Daily Mail!

"The far right British National Party will pocket £5.2million of taxpayers' money to spread its message of hate in the European Parliament.

Party leader Nick Griffin and his fellow MEP Andrew Brons will get paid more than £446,000 each in salary, office and travel allowances every year.

The breakthrough will also enable them to siphon more than £147,000 each year directly into party coffers.

That will bring the total the BNP will be able to pocket to more than a million pounds a year for the next five years."

furthermore...... if

"the BNP forms a new political grouping in the Brussels Parliament with other far right parties it would get a share of public funds direct from Brussels to run campaigns. This 'political expenditure' would be worth £36,755 a year to the party. It would also get around £110,798 in administrative support for its work with the far right group.
The £183,776 a year it can claim in staff and office allowances will also keep several other BNP officials in work at taxpayers' expense."

Should a political party siphoning off public funds in this way have the same status as a 'private club'?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: olddude
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 09:51 AM

Richard, Bruce and other catters with facebook problems
check out this link. I guess this guy is like a shark with chum ... he will go after facebook and it will cost you nothing but a % of settlement.

Class Action Attorney

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: olddude
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 10:14 AM

For good or bad in the US the slander civil laws do get pursued. If someone saying they are you and used your good name as part of a hate group you have been damaged. And the attorneys would jump up and down with a smile on their face. It is a no lose situation for them and they will make sure you are compensated well since they get their chunk. What is more impressive to them if it is a group of people you see. Now the payoff is much higher. Facebook would settle out of court and then do what they can to recover their losses. US companies are not in the business of politics to lose money ... Money is their driving force the reason they have the site to start with ... they won't pay and just let it sit, they will do what they have to do to get the settlement money back. That is the way it works here. I read someplace that if you live in a state like California you have a 96% chance of getting sued for something sometime in your life.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 11:42 AM

I have sent them an email, olddude. We shall see.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 01:50 PM

!For good or bad in the US the slander civil laws do get pursued."
- olddude

The USA at one point (and it may still be) was considered the most litigious country in the world, that's not a path I would choose to go down, the case, no matter what it maybe ca get tied up in the courst for years, that's time wasted as far as I'm concerned, when that time could be put to better use.

Stand and be Counted!

Charlotte Olivia Reynolds

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 02:04 PM

Lemme know if I can do something from Canada. (Keep in mind that the Province in which I live has no 'class action' lawsuits. However, I did post some stuff from Montreal and Quebec DOES have class actions suits.)

Bruce

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Lox
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 05:53 PM

I see superb potential to disrupt the BNP once and for all.

Imagine if the BNP were forced to include all those who wished to be members regardless of racial or other minority credentials.

And then if millions of non-whites, homosexuals, the disabled etc all joined up.

It would dissolve the party like an Aspirin in water.

What would be left?

A BNP made up of a diverse demographic - the Union Flag reclaimed by all of its citizens.

The final nail in the coffin for old uncle Oswald.


These Laws could work better than anyone ever imagined.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: olddude
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 06:37 PM

Peace it would not hurt you to fire off an email to that guy.   anyone who thinks a lawsuit doesn't get your attention is kidding themselves. Who the hell cares if it takes 100 years you are not paying for it and tying them up in court is exactly what you want to do. unless of course you are a member yourself then I can see your objection

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 06:39 PM

Will do, olddude.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 06:40 PM

BTW, we ARE going to nail these bastards. I mean right between the eyes.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 06:40 PM

Metaphorically speaking, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: olddude
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 07:16 PM

By the way I was involved with a class action suite. You file the papers then the attorneys battle it out with the company, then you cash a check when it is over mine was for 50 dollars wow but I made a statement along with 10000 other people who were scammed by a company... and you are right the US is the most civil nonsense country in the world for law suites. But it works .. The defendant has to show up and battle it out for a great deal of legal costs or they simply lose ... then they will go after the culpits that caused them the grief ... Like I said they are not in the business to lose money because of fraud

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 07:52 PM

E-Mail sent.

Don T

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: jeddy
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 08:10 PM

ok, try again.

there are two problems with joining the BNP just becuase we can.
the first being, we would have to do it on mass, to be sure that we are not the minority, i have no wish to ut myself in that sort of dangerous situation.
the second and more important problem, don't you have to pay a membership fee?   i would never contribute to the BNP funds.

what does this mean for the BNP in the euro parliment thingy? will they be fined or get a warniing, as i assume it is euro laws the have broken?


richard and others, please could we keep the facebook stuff on the thread for FB?

i really applaud what you are doing to try to rid us of these pests, but it is kind of taking over everywhere. thanks.

take care all

jade x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 08:15 PM

This thread title is "Legal action over BNP membership".

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: jeddy
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 09:01 PM

YES ... BNP membership, not facebook membership or BEBO membership or MYSPACE membership.


j x x

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: jeddy
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 09:12 PM

sorry, over use of caps there.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Emma B
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 09:18 PM

Full report of the news article of the challenge to the BNP over its membership criteria.

'Imagine if the BNP were forced to include all those who wished to be members regardless of racial or other minority credentials.
And then if millions of non-whites, homosexuals, the disabled etc all joined up.
It would dissolve the party like an Aspirin in water.'

Nice thought Lox :) it might almost be worth the membership fee!

However the legal action is already being criticized by a Daily Telegraph journalist Gerald Warner lauded for his criticism of Obama by Michael Savage (who has been placed on a list of people banned from entering the UK) on his radio show

"In the Commission's worst-case scenario, it could even end up by accidentally outlawing many organisations of which it strongly approves as bastions of multicultural exclusivism. Whatever the eventual outcome, this whole farce will be conducted at the expense of taxpayers."

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: theleveller
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 03:52 AM

Sam, you'll be safer crawling back under your stone before someone treads on you. Remember that, outside Bransholme Estate, you're in a very, very tiny minority.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Royston
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 04:21 AM

Remember that, outside Bransholme Estate, you're in a very, very tiny minority

I thought he was from Burnley?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Emma B
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 07:06 AM

Guest - until I know who you are please desist from calling me 'Darling' and, even then, I don't appreciate it as a form of address.

I'm quite aware of the rules that allow organizations and private clubs to allow restricted membership.

"The Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations 2007 came into force on 30th April 2007.
By virtue of S.16 of the Regulations it is unlawful for an Association (which includes a club provided it has 25 or more members and admission to membership is regulated by its constitution and is conducted so that the members do not constitute a section of the public) to discriminate against a non-member and/or a member due to his/her sexual orientation.

Discrimination laws are to be extended to private members club under the Bill insofar as they may not discriminate, harass or victimise a member, an associate member or guest due to a protected characteristic.
The characteristics that are protected by the Bill are: age, disability, gender reassignment, marriage and civil partnership, pregnancy and maternity, race, religion or belief, sex and sexual orientation.

The Bill does however recognise that there are benefits to clubs with 'shared characteristics' and therefore same sex clubs, clubs for people of a particular religion, etc, will still be allowed where the main purpose of the club is to bring together people who share a particular characteristic (e.g. disabled sailing); and clubs will be able to impose the same restrictions on associate members and guests. 'All male' clubs or 'all female' clubs will be permitted but clubs will not be able to operate a mixed gender membership (i.e. male and female) and yet bar female members from sailing on certain days, while allowing male members to sail whenever they like."

It is quite apparent that these rules were not meant to apply to political parties


I have some experience of what it means as an 'ordinary person' to stand against a line of police and horses to block the way for the BNP and their various predecessors and the role of the police in maintaining public order

Your comment on the 'lesson' to be learned from the 30s is one that has been repeated by others; we do well to remember -

"That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."
Aldous Huxley

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Emma B
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 08:05 AM

The House of Lords has held that political parties are 'membership associations' and thus are prohibited from discriminating on the grounds of race : Watt (formerly Carter) on behalf of other members of the Labour Party v. Ahsan UKHL 51

It is also unlawful for anyone to advertise unlawful membership criteria by virtue of section 29 of the Race Relations Act

On 22nd June The Equality and Human Rights Commission required a written undertaking that -

-the BNP amend its constitution no later than 1 October 2009 so as to ensure and to make transparent that it does not discriminate against potential or actual members on racial grounds, and that

-Pending the adoption of the amended constitution, the BNP will not refuse membership to any individual on racial grounds

The other two requirements requested by the commission to uphold the law
i.e.
that all constituents would be treated equally by BNP elected delegates regardless of race.
and
a requirement for job applicants to be BNP members, which the Commission said effectively restricted employees to white people and those from ethnic groups deemed acceptable to the party.

were accepted by the BNP but, apart from offering to clarify the word "white" in the context of its membership criteria and constitution the BNP refused to otherwise change its rules.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 11:19 AM

"It has nothing to do with discrimination; it's all to do with internal politicking"
- Lee Barnes, BNP, on the Equality and Human Rights commission's legal action

Really? And just how stupid does Lee Barnes think we are?

Is me stating that my skin colour is not white and my ethic group is not Anglo-Saxon politicing or simply stating the facts?

The BNP are racist, anti-semetic, homophobic (wonder how many closeted cases there are in the BNP?) and a whole lot more. That's not politicing, thems the facts Jack! It's that simple.

Stand and Be Counted!

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 11:48 AM

Emma,

One way or another, the BNP will have to change their policy now that the wheels have started turning.

No subsequent political organization will be able to operate according to the same rules.

The door therefore will be open for anyone to join the BNP and, if they so wish, to vote for a new leader if enough people join and to vote for a change in its policies.

I personally would suggest a new policy in which the BNP would become officially affiliated with the Monster Raving Loony Party and that their policies be assumed onto the BNP manifesto.

Then I would suggest that the party leader wear a jester suit whenever called upon to sit in parliament or on any council to which he were elected, and to wear a suit of cellophane the rest of the time.

With enough support within the BNP membership there would be no reason why these motons should not be passed.

Another policy might be to give automatic membership to any newly instated British Citizen from abroad, particularly those who were previously classed as asylum seekers.


This is what an open door policy on membership to the BNP could easily result in.


But first the campaign would need to be started to interest people in joining.

Current BNP membership is pretty low in numbers.

It wouldn't take long to overwhelm them.

They of course would be more than welcome to join any other political parties ... oh ... they already do ... with minimal effect ...



This action is a stroke of Genius!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 12:09 PM

"i really applaud what you are doing to try to rid us of these pests, but it is kind of taking over everywhere. thanks."

When the thread starter tells me that I'll pay attention.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 12:20 PM

"Do I regard someone who is married to or living with a partner of another race as a suitable member or candidate for the BNP? No, because by their choice they have clearly shown that they do not share our most fundamental values"
- Nick Griffin

oooops...there goes hubbie's chances of BNP membership! *LOL*

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

the partner who is of another race

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Emma B
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 12:28 PM

LOL Lox
I've got just the headgear but the cellophane suit is too awful to contemplate with a possible view like this *

*Mick Holmes Ex Lincs BNP Organiser and Bodyguard to Nick Griffin

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: jeddy
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 03:42 PM

i don't see why you are taking this so personally peace. i was asking politely, with no malice or disrespect, so why has it got up your' nose so much?

you have also changed your' arguement, first it was,
"this thread title is "Legal action over BNP membership". " by peace

now you object because the starter of the thread hasn't said anything.

make up your mind!

me thinks you just want to argue, i don't really want to, and by doing so will undermine this thread even more than the stupid post about knicker stealing.
however, i will not be bullied into silence by you or anyone else.

i try and respect everyone until they give me a reason not to and i never picked you to be so childish.

sorry to drag down the thread.

i feel better now, though i am sure i will regret this later, i try not be a hypocrite.

take care all

jade x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Emma B
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 03:43 PM

It's really not the BNP's week

It was reported today that they face possible prosecution over failing to meet other legal requirements

"The BNP are facing huge fines and possible prosecution after they failed to submit records of donations.

The party faced an unprecedented warning from the head of the Electoral Commission after they also failed to submit their annual accounts to the watchdog, as required by electoral law.

Mystery surrounds how the BNP funded their European election campaign, which resulted in record gains for the party including the election of two MEPs.

Peter Wardle, the chief executive, issued a stark warning to the party

'We have not yet received a donation return for this quarter from the British National Party. This comes on top of their failure to deliver their latest annual statement of accounts to the Commission. This is unacceptable and the party will be issued with fines for both reporting failures. We will also be assessing the systems they have in place to ensure compliance with the law.' "

From Times Online August 26, 2009

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 03:46 PM

"Legal action over BNP membership"

1) There will be legal action taken against the BNP and some of its members

2) You didn't die and become the queen

3) I don't know what's up yer nose, but please leave it there

4) I did NOT object that the thread-starter (a friend of mine) said nothing. It's her call to make, not yours

S'long.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 03:49 PM

For one thing, Bruce...it's an ENGLISH PROBLEM. You are NOT English. Why not fight wars in YOUR home country for the issues there?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 04:06 PM

"For one thing, Bruce...it's an ENGLISH PROBLEM. You are NOT English. Why not fight wars in YOUR home country for the issues there?"
-Sorcha

Just because Bruce isn't English doesn't mean he can't take an interest in the issue, so perhaps if you don't like it, Sorcha, you should stay out of it, we don't need this sort of parochialist attitude, it's distracting from the main issue and that is, just in case you've forgotten, Legal action over BNP membership...

Stand and Be Counted!
Charlotte Olivia Robertson

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 04:14 PM

Oh for gods sake, Ollie. You have NO idea if I'm standing or not. All I'm saying is that we should ALL fight it WHERE we are BEST ABLE.....I have NO stroke in England...nor does Bruce. Our opinions on ENGLISH or BRITISH politics have NO meaning whatsoever.

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 04:16 PM

Weel, quietly and calmly, I thought that the potential other legal issues about the BNP might suit here. But if not, no sweat, I will keep those interested posted either individually or on the Fakebook or Real Richard Bridge threads.

AFAIK, last time fascism got out of hand it proved to be a global problem. Pearl Harbour, Sorcha?

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Emma B
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 04:17 PM

thank you Richard - as the OP I appreciate that

Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: Peace
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 04:18 PM

Bullshit, Sorcha. You speak just like people who said that the European Nazis had nothing to do with us. Lady, they would have had EVERYTHING to do with us and you'd be speaking German now had people seen things your way.