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Subject: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: open mike
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 11:52 AM

This story is being revealed that Jaycee Lee Dugard, who was kidnapped
18 years ago has been kept captive in the back yard of a registered sex offender. He fathered two children with her.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/08/27/california.missing.girl/index.html

Jaycee Lee Dugard, who was 11 when she was taken from a school bus stop in 1991, has been reuinited with her mother and step father.

She and her two children lived in the back yard of the home where Phillip and Nancy Garrido lived. The children, ages 11 and 15 had never been to school or seen a doctor.

http://news.aol.com/article/kidnapped-girl-jaycee-dugard-walks-into/643351

This case is very bizarre and i do not see a thread on it yet.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gvBeg7MFDN7NMl_R8k1J_21SuoVAD9ACUQAG0


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 12:03 PM

I haven't seen a thread on it yet either but I expect that most of us are following the story. It is beyond bizarre.

" It takes a village to raise a child" It appears that we need an alert village/community to keep an eye out for the powerless among us.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 12:07 PM

I was wondering if someone would start a thread on this.

Crazy bastard. Officers should have taken more seriously the 911 call neighbors made a couple of years ago about the kids in the back yard. His parole officer should have searched more over all the years they had Jaycee.


CNN news


The stepfather who saw his father pulled into the car and tried to chase after the car gave the police at the time enough information for a sketch of the female kidnapper. It is exactly a portrait of the woman. police sketch of female kidnapper


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 12:08 PM

I meant "saw his daughter"


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: frogprince
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 12:14 PM

Fox had an interview this morning with a lawyer who visited the house years ago on minor nonrelated business, who may or may not have seen Jaycee for a few seconds under circumstances that were in no way suspicious. Nothing actually malignant about it, but totally useless crap under the pretense of coverage.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 12:17 PM

This is so similar to that fellow in Austria who kept his own daughter in a basement apartment and fathered several children by her.

It doesn't take long to stray into realizing the monumental damage he did to these lives, when thinking about the existence this young woman and her two daughters experienced (she must have been 13 when he first impregnated her) and the vacuum that exists regarding their ability to think and function. What do they know of the world today? How, at these ages, do they successfully learn to read and write and have a "normal" social life?

It boggles the mind, and seems to me (as one opposed to the death penalty on general principle) that this might be an instance when it would be acceptable. For both of these individuals.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: bobad
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 12:23 PM

Jaycee Lee Dugard became so accustomed to life imprisoned in a secret garden in California that she helped run her kidnappers' family business.

The 29-year-old became the "front" for a printing company owned by Phillip and Nancy Garrido and run from their home in Antioch, near San Francisco. The prisoner dealt with its clients in person and by phone and e-mail. One customer of the firm, which printed business cards, described her as its "design genius".

Dugard was abducted as an 11-year-old from her home in South Lake Tahoe, in northeastern California, in June 1991. She reappeared last week when Garrido, a convicted rapist, walked into a police station to talk to his parole officer. He was accompanied by Dugard, the two daughters, aged 15 and 11, she bore him during her captivity, and by his wife.

Phillip and Nancy Garrido denied 29 charges including kidnap and rape in court in El Dorado county on Friday. The FBI has confirmed it is seeking evidence that Garrido, 58, murdered up to 10 women, including some prostitutes, in the San Francisco area in the late 1990s.
   
Dugard is said to be relishing her freedom and is planning a trip to Disneyland with her family. The first words she said when reunited with her mother, Terry Probyn, at a motel last week were, "Mom, I have kids."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6814937.ece


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: open mike
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 12:23 PM

This article includes a time line of events.

http://www.getreligion.org/?p=17070

this article discusses Garrido's "religion" Gods Desire....


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: open mike
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 12:44 PM

this is Phillip Garrido's blog http://voicesrevealed.blogspot.com/

this website is basically empty http://www.godsdesire.net/


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 01:30 PM

Stockholm syndrome

Especially with children who are hostages, they can instinctively act for their own survival by conforming to what the hostage taker wants. If you defy the kidnapper, there is more danger, but if you please the kidnapper, it feels safer.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 01:38 PM

VIDEO CNN news (there is a short ad for legal zoom first)


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: pdq
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 01:51 PM

...just something to think about:

"Garrido's father, Manuel Garrido, also told The Associated Press Friday that his son is 'absolutely out of his mind.' He said Garrido fell into a bad crowd when he was younger and started taking LSD.

The elder Garrido said the drugs changed him from a good boy, whom everybody loved, to a crazy person."

~ AP story


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: SINSULL
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 02:05 PM

Thirty + years ago, Etan Patz was kidnapped off the streets of NYC and has never been found. There were bizarre stories of an Israeli adoption ring kidnapping Jewish children to be raised in Israel. Truth is, the police and family know who murdered Etan. He is about to be released from jail after serving time on an another charge. The family still waits for closure.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 02:29 PM

VIDEO of an ABC news report, shows backyard, etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: open mike
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 02:38 PM

The kidnapper's father also claimed that Phillip had a motorcycle accident and that the resulting head injury had been the source of damage..and altered his life. Is it possible he is trying to avoid
any responsibility for the way he turned out? (and distract people from scrutinizing him for answers about how this could have happened)


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 02:52 PM

Laurel, the interviews I've seen of his father and comments of his brother actually show to me that they knew since the kidnapper was a teenager that he had gone "crazy". His family feel like he "died" to them in a way since he was a teen and heavy into LSD and other drugs, not just the brain injury.

Alice


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: pdq
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 03:02 PM

A head injury is likely to cause disability, not this type of psychosis.

Damaged goods he is, but there is no way that he should be absolved of guilt. Also, his wife did the most of the same crimes and she does not have the same motorcycle injury he claims.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: robomatic
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 03:02 PM

Note to Self:

If you're a multiple rapist and religious wacko it's not a good idea to take your victims to the parole office with you.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 03:10 PM

His father and brother did not defend or excuse what he did. They affirmed that he's a criminal. Remember, the guy served prison time for a previous kidnapping and rape and had a surveillance bracelet and was on parole. They knew what a monster he was and didn't want anything to do with him.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 03:20 PM

'Jaycee Lee Dugard's alleged kidnapper's brother, Ron Garrido, just spoke to The Chronicle about his deviant brother, Phillip. "It just seems so bizarre, but I can believe it," said the 65-year-old Brentwood resident. "I know my brother, and I can believe he did that. ... He's a fruitcake."'

"Aug 30, 2009 ... THE family of Phillip Garrido compared him last night to crazed US cult leader Charles Manson."


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: robomatic
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 03:35 PM

I'm already working on a theory of defense for him:

Diminshed capacity.
His wife made him do it.
He was unduly influenced by the movie "The Tiger Makes Out."

He's ill and deserves a release on ground of compassion.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 03:40 PM

He's now a suspect in the murders of women whose bodies were found near his previous work place. It's sick that he was ever let out on parole from his 50 year prison sentence for the rape.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: pdq
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 03:48 PM

It seems unlikely that he would still be on parole from a 1971 conviction, so maybe we shouid give the federal parole officers the benefit of the doubt.

However, the 2006 incident where a neighbor called and said there were people being held in the backyard of the Garrido house should have resulted in (at least) in inspection of the backyard. The sheriff thinks so too:


"Contra Costa County Sheriff Warren E. Rupf said a neighbor reported three years ago there were people living in tents in a backyard encampment at the home of Garrido.

The deputy who interviewed Garrido in November 2006 gave him a warning that people living outdoors was a code violation. The deputy did not go into the backyard of the house located in an unincorporated area of Antioch, about 45 miles northeast of San Francisco, Rupf said.

More suspicion and curiosity on the deputy's part could have uncovered the secret encampment where Dugard allegedly was held, he said.

They "missed an opportunity" and there are "absolutely no excuses," Rupf said, apologizing to the Dugard family.

Again, AP story, Terry Collins


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Amergin
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 04:20 PM

PDQ a head injury could in fact change a person's personality. I suggest you read the case of Phineas Gage for an example.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 07:09 PM

......snip.....
"Garrido wrote the songs after being jailed for four months in April 1993 for violating parole. It is believed his wife Nancy kept Jaycee under lock and key during his spell inside.

And it was feared she was so brainwashed by the monster that she never even contemplated escaping. Weeks after being released from prison Garrido had his first child with Jaycee, by then 14.

Four years later they had another child. He wrote a new set of songs about the children.

The friend also revealed the paedophile would constantly talk about sex.

The mate added: "He said he loved sex and wanted it 24/7. He had some pretty messed up fantasies and would openly share them with me.

"He liked rough sex and he told me he liked his girls young. I took that to mean 18 or 19, not 13."

Yesterday, a neighbour of Garrido's in Antioch, California, told how he witnessed raucous parties in the pervert's garden. Mike Rogers, 49, said: "There was a gap in the fence and I could see seven or eight guys partying. They were in his garden drinking beer, yelling and swearing."
.....snip......

From mirror.co.uk
"Garrido wrote sick fantasy sex lyrics in jail"


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: SharonA
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 07:25 PM

What of his children, ages 11 and 15, that he fathered by raping Dugard -- was he raping his daughters, too? *shiver*

What a horror. Jaycee Lee Dugard, her kids and the Dugard family will no doubt need therapy for years, if not decades. By rights, Phillip and Nancy Garrido should be in a very deep, very dark hole and never see the light of day again.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: SharonA
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 07:55 PM

Wondering why there are only the two offspring... I hope it occurs to the authorities to look into the possibility that Dugard was impregnated more than twice, and to look in the yard for the shallow graves of baby boys. Baby daughters, in Garrido's sick mind, were probably considered to be future sex objects, fit for his stable of corraled young females, but baby sons would only grow up to be a threat to him.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: open mike
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 08:19 PM

yes, similar to polygamist "communities" where the male children are evicted....hence: the "lost boys"

"The hidden victims of the Fundamentalist Mormons who practice polygamy today are the boys of the community. These young men must be chased from their families and communities of birth under various pretexts, because the polygamous community depends on a surplus of girls for the older men to take as wives. They have to get rid of them while still boys, because once they become men, they realize how screwed they are under the polygamous system, and as men, they would have the ability to do something about it. Getting rid of the rebellious and willful boys, while they are still confused, weak, and brainwashed is a lot easier then dealing with disaffected, angry men."


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 11:22 AM

Photos of the living conditions in the backyard.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: mg
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 02:47 PM

I wondered about other children as well but hadn't thought about the boy situation. I hate to think how she bore those children. I hate to think what the reaction of revulsion could be from the parents knowing how they were brought into this world. HOpefullly the parents..grandparents of Jaycee will get some counseling too if they have trouble accepting the grandchildren. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 10:10 PM

The rape, for which he went to prison, victim speaks out now.
November 1976. I was sitting in my car in a supermarket parking lot. A man tapped on my window and asked for a ride. I agreed. Soon after, I was cuffed, bound, gagged, and taken to a warehouse.....


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: frogprince
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 10:25 AM

Saw the 1976 victim on TV this morning, with her husband.

The guy had one 50 year sentence and one 100 year sentence; I'm sure those who put him away never expected him to crawl around free in the world again. What excuse could the parole board possibly give?


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 11:30 AM

Who isn't moved by stories of children lost and children found? I know I am.

Here's a link to a book called 'Finder,' by Marilyn Greene, a rescue worker and investigator. In it you will learn a lot about people and about finding the missing.

Finder


Your library may have it.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 11:31 AM

There is a story today of how the kidnapped young woman "Alissa" became an integral part of the kidnappers printing business! If she is computer savvy, one hopes she passed on some skills to her daughters? It's ashame she didn't figure out ages ago how to break away from this fellow. The story continues to get stranger and stranger, doesn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 02:09 PM

Garrido had his own cult religion going from the delusions about voices, manifestos, angels, god... that isn't unusual for a pedophile to also have what some researchers have called a "Mom & Pop cult". There are more small family type cult groups like this in the US than you can imagine. Our freedoms have the achilles heel of anyone being able to start their own religion. It's common that these types of cult leaders use undue influence, like he did on the child he kidnapped, to get those close to them to conform to his own religious delusions. As a child, in particular, she had no defense against that. Having lived under his control since age 11, there was probably in her mind no other way to live, so she would not even think of leaving, especially having 2 young daughters that he controlled, too.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 02:23 PM

An excellent book on this subject, in case anyone is interested:

CULTS IN OUR MIDST

"...Because of her early work at Walter Reed, Dr. Singer was familiar with the history of coercive persuasion in many settings throughout history. Later, laboratory studies done by social psychologists, field studies of influence done by anthropologists, and propaganda analyses done by political and linguistic analysts all came to be of use as she studied how current cults and other groups using thought reform processes induce attitude and behavior changes in their members, how they use words to persuade, control and even damage people.."


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: open mike
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 06:38 PM

one article i read said that Phillip Garrido's elderly mother also lived there where he and his wife kept "Alilssa" and the two girls.

I only saw her mentioned once, but how could she put up with all that?


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 06:42 PM

"... Police in Hayward, California, are trying to determine whether Garrido is linked to the 1988 kidnapping of Michaela Garecht, said Hayward police Lt. Chris Orrey.

Garecht and Dugard were of similar age and appearance, both were abducted in daylight, and a sketch of a suspect resembled Garrido, Orrey said. There are differences, as well, but she declined to elaborate.

The similarities in the cases, the fact that Dugard was found close to home and comments from neighbors make Murch think her daughter could have been on Garrido's compound.

"I understand that a few years ago, one of the neighbors called in and said that there were girls being kept in the backyard. ... She said that there were a number of girls that came and went, but that there was a core group of five," Murch said. She hopes her daughter was among them...."

CNN rest of the article Authorities study bone found...


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 06:43 PM

I read that his mother was senile.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 06:46 PM

Associated Press "Phillip Garrido's mother, has dementia and is not well. She also lived in the Antioch house."


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Melissa
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 06:55 PM

Alice:
"Yesterday, a neighbour of Garrido's in Antioch, California, told how he witnessed raucous parties in the pervert's garden. Mike Rogers, 49, said: "There was a gap in the fence and I could see seven or eight guys partying. They were in his garden drinking beer, yelling and swearing."

have you seen anything else about those seven or eight guys?


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 07:32 PM

not yet


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: open mike
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 09:14 PM

oh, my God...how can society take care of all of these people..
everyone in that house was ill mentally or phycsically, and
all require some sort of care...what a big job this will be.

and an expensive one, too...this man and his actions have
caused a great deal of harm...who knows if it will ever be
possible to heal all the hurt.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: open mike
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 05:09 PM

news updated...

bone fragments found near back yard

Fox news story


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 10:58 PM

Article today
headline


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 02 Sep 09 - 10:59 PM

Article today
headline Did Garrido kill Jaycee's sons?
"SEX monster Phillip Garrido may have had other children with kidnapped Jaycee Lee Dugard - and killed them if they were boys, cops said last night. continued


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 09:46 AM

Reunion of mother and daughter, 2 page article
Return Marked By Tenderness


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: open mike
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 09:36 AM

fox news stories http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,544523,00.html


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: open mike
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 02:55 PM

I would wish that more people who were commenting about being outraged that something like this could happen. There are more posts in the threads about "dumb commercials" and "favorite jokes" but this topic
deserves more attention.

San Francisco Chronicle story


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: harpmolly
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 04:20 PM

The thing that SERIOUSLY freaks me out about this is the total delusion of Garrido and his wife. Seriously...pleading not guilty to the kidnapping? Sadly, I can picture a highly unethical lawyer trying to capitalize on the fact that Jaycee stayed and worked at the print shop all those years (theoretically having the opportunity to escape and not taking it). But how do they possibly expect to justify the kidnapping in the first place? How can any lawyer justify defending this plea?

And the fact that Garrido claims that the birth of his last child made him "turn his life around" and that people who talked to the victims were going to hear a "heartwarming, uplifting story"...this just makes me SO sick. Yeah, you turned your life around. Just not enough to, you know, make things right by reuniting Jaycee with her family.

AAUUGHH!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 04:22 PM

Sorry I can't find a link right now, but yesterday news reported that his wife Nancy described driving around with him the day before the kidnapping, looking for the "right" girl with the looks that Garrido wanted. When they first saw Jaycee, Garrido chose her as the one he wanted, but she was with other children, so they returned the next day and waited at the bus stop area for the chance to grab her and pull her into the car.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: harpmolly
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 04:23 PM

my mistake...a "powerful, heartwarming story" is the exact quote. I may vomit.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 04:57 PM

Sometimes not posting is no indication at all about readers' views. My guess is that I'm not the only one who is beyond words.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Paco O'Barmy
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 05:14 PM

Surely this subject is too grim even for mudcatters to pontificate upon.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 05:19 PM

"And the fact that Garrido claims that the birth of his last child made him "turn his life around"

Isn't that rather like "finding Jesus" when someone is sitting on Death Row? Sounds lke it to me.

Charlotte Olivia Robertson
who completely horrified by this story


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 05:47 PM

This case touches a sensitive nerve for a lot of us.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 09:52 PM

"The land, once a walnut orchard, features damp, loamy dirt; the yard smells moldy and fetid. The four camping tents and five windowless shacks were each strewn with clothes and debris, and outside "there was rubbish piled as high as five feet in places," says the source, who toured the yard shortly after Garrido's arrest. "The only place where there was any order at all was the clothing racks. Otherwise everything was piled up like a dump."
more photos... the backyard


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 10:24 PM

Girls find out their older "sister" is really their mother.

article here


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 10:52 PM

VIDEO cnn news Jaycee's childhood friend interview


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: SharonA
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 11:10 AM

Sorry for the length of this post, but I want to paste this entire LA Times article because it describes the various reasons that Garrido was paroled so early -- and the cascading failures of the judicial system (some of which have since been rectified) that had put him back on the street in 1988:


http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-kidnap-parole5-2009sep05,0,1752348.story

Federal Parole Officials Released Phillip Garrido from 50-year Sentence after Short Interview
Examiners spoke to the kidnapper for 35 minutes in 1987 about possible parole. They may not have seen psychiatric reports on him, a U.S. parole official says.


By Maura Dolan
September 4, 2009 10:15 p.m.



Phillip Garrido, the man accused of kidnapping and sexually assaulting Jaycee Lee Dugard, was paroled by the federal government two decades ago after a 35-minute jailhouse interview in which he spoke of his crime, his prison experience and future plans, the U.S. Parole Commission said Friday.

Garrido, charged with abducting Dugard 18 years ago, was released from federal custody after serving only 10 1/2 years of his 50-year sentence for a 1976 kidnapping.

Cranston Mitchell, vice chairman of the U.S. Parole Commission, said two commission examiners met with Garrido in Lompoc, Calif., on Nov. 5, 1987, to discuss his possible parole.

Neither the federal prosecutor nor Garrido's defense lawyer attended the hearing, and the examiners may not have seen psychiatric reports on Garrido, Mitchell said.

They also may not have reviewed Garrido's trial record, Mitchell said. Transcripts would have showed Garrido said he had exposed himself to young girls and masturbated outside schools.

The prosecutor said another woman also identified him as the hippie-looking man who tried to kidnap her an hour before he succeeded in kidnapping the other woman.

Reading a summary of the parole report, Mitchell said Garrido planned to return to live with his mother in California. He had only two prior convictions, Mitchell said. Both were for marijuana possession in California in 1970 and 1972, and he was not incarcerated for the offenses, Mitchell said.

Garrido also had been arrested on suspicion of drugging and raping a 14-year-old girl in 1972, but she declined to press charges, authorities said this week.

The examiners also considered his prison experience. In an earlier bid for release, Garrido had blamed marijuana and LSD use for his crime, and said he had earned a high school diploma and learned carpentry and drafting behind bars.

"He was an average inmate," Mitchell said. "There were no major issues."

Two weeks later, the parole commission received the examiners' unanimous recommendation and voted to parole Garrido to a Nevada state prison to complete a sentence for raping the kidnap victim, a state offense.

A numerical formula used to determine an inmate's suitability for parole indicated Garrido should be released, Mitchell said.

That formula included scores for such factors as obtaining a high school diploma and the inmate's age when first imprisoned.

Garrido's score, which was used as a guideline by the government, showed he had been suitable for parole almost two years earlier, Mitchell said. But under the law at the time, Garrido was required to serve at least 10 years.

Federal parole was abolished in 1987, but the termination did not affect inmates already serving sentences.

The handling of Garrido was typical of the "old-fashioned parole system" that was overhauled by Congress in 1984, when sentences became longer and mandatory, with little judicial discretion, said Stanford Law Professor Robert Weisberg, who specializes in criminal law.

Under today's laws, Garrido probably would have served 20 to 40 years, Weisberg said. Today's parole boards also have more sophisticated ways to measure an inmate's risk to the public, he said.

In deciding to parole Garrido, the presidential appointees on the commission would have taken into account that Garrido had a potential life sentence to serve in Nevada state prison, Mitchell said.

Leland E. Lutfy, who prosecuted Garrido for the kidnapping, said the state judge who sentenced Garrido to serve a five-years-to-life sentence for rape concurrently with the federal sentence did so after being misinformed by the state prosecutor that Garrido would have to serve two-thirds of his federal sentence.

After Garrido entered Nevada state prison in January 1988, the Nevada state parole commission voted 3 to 2 to release him on Aug. 1, 1988.

A Nevada parole spokeswoman was unavailable Friday, but the Reno Gazette-Journal reported that the state board considered Garrido a "moderate" risk because he had never served jail time.

The newspaper reported that Garrido had been incarcerated in a Contra Costa County minimum detention "farm" for a 1969 drug conviction, which would have made him a high risk had the board known of it.

Three years after his release, Garrido is suspected of kidnapping Dugard from South Lake Tahoe, where he had kidnapped the 1976 victim.

The California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation supervised Garrido for the federal government. But the agent who was assigned to him did not discover Dugard and her two daughters living on Garrido's property. The agent supervised about 40 parolees, officials said.

"Forty is a nice size" for a parole caseload, said Mitchell, who ran the parole system in Missouri for 18 years and formerly worked as a police officer. "Most places would love to have 40."

He said some parole agents are responsible for as many as 100 parolees.

Parole work is "driven by suspicion," Mitchell said. "And a lot of it is driven by their history -- not so much the type of crime -- but the history. For this particular individual, he didn't have any history" on paper because law enforcement considered only Garrido's prior convictions, not his admissions at trial.

Gordon Hinkle, a spokesman for the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, declined to identify the agent who supervised Garrido.

Hinkle said the department is reviewing parole procedures as a result of the Garrido case, but stressed that his parole agent was not under any type of investigation.

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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 12:17 PM

Yesterday's news said that there was some concern as to how this family would pay for all the therapeutic counseling they will need.

My question: As it is glaringly evident that the county, if not the state, failed the long-ago abducted child, continuing the failure over many years, making them responsible for the subsequent events, including the two children, aren't the authorities vulnerable to high penalties? It seems to me that there should be millions involved.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: SharonA
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 05:10 PM

Which authorities in which state, Ebbie? Nevada released him from prison, but the imprisonment took place in California. What penalties can legally be levied against whom?

*frustrated arrrgghh* What will probably happen is that there will be a lot of interstate finger-pointing among/between agencies, none of which will ultimately benefit the Dugard family. The Dugards may have to file suit(s) to find any restitution. In the meantime, charities are amassing contributions for the victims (and schemers have already set up fraudulent on-line charity sites, so beware!).

So taxpayers will contribute money voluntarily to the Dugards AND they will have to contribute involuntarily toward the Garridos' incarceration, prosecution and court-appointed defense! Am I wrong? (Wish I were!)


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 06:46 PM

How about starting with the official who "checked it out" after a neighbor reported a suspect situation?


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: SharonA
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 12:14 AM

Yup, lotsa fingers pointing at him at the moment. I wonder, though, what the law says about the officer's need to get a warrant to search the property when the property owner is on parole.

Perhaps we could start with the neighbors who put up with the noise of the "parties" and the trash in the yard (and the stench of the trash?) and the overgrown weeds for 18 years... or with officials who failed to enforce ordinances about noise and yard-trash. Hard to believe that so many people could look the other way for that long.

What about all those friends, customers and business associates of Garrido's who took notice of his strange behavior without thinking that perhaps the young girls in his house needed to be protected from him?

Guess it all depends on how many witches one wants to hunt.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 12:26 AM

There was no legal need for a warrant to search his property precisely because he was on parole. The property could have been fully searched without a warrant at any time.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 12:33 AM

"...In fact, Garrido's status as a registered sex offender (his crime in the publicly available sex offender registry is listed as "261(a)(2) Rape by fear/force/etc.") means that law enforcement can search his property without a warrant."

Link to article... and where are the two 4 year old girls mentioned visiting the back yard?
CLick Here


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: SharonA
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 01:39 AM

The Contra Costa County sheriff's deputy who responded to the complaint by the neighbor (Erika Pratt) (when she said she suspected that a woman and girls were living in the yard) was not aware that Garrido was a registered sex offender nor that he was on parole. Not having that knowledge, he wouldn't have had a reason to know that he could have searched the property without a warrant. The question is, why did he not have that knowledge? The answer would seem to be that (a) the county doesn't have procedures that a deputy must follow to check out the criminal record of the subject of a neighbor's complaint; or (b) the county does have such procedures and they were not followed.

What's more bizarre is that there was a surprise visit made to Garrido's home by a "multi-agency task force" as part of a sex-offender compliance check, and the task force searched the home but not the yard. The reason given is that 'no parole officer was part of the team, adding that such officers have greater search powers." Quote pulled from this LA Times story

From that same article: Gordon Hinkle, spokesman for the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, says of his parole officers: "We were dealing with a criminal, and he and his wife were being very elusive. They were very deceptive and very stealthy in how they were keeping these individuals hidden." There apparently is a yard within a yard... but at least one neighbor (Pratt) saw through the "deception". Yet multiple parole officers on Garrido's case did not. The latest parole officer didn't get wise until Garrido very un-stealthily brought Dugard and her daughters to his office!

Basically, the various agencies are making excuses for themselves that sound lame as hell. Looks like Schwarzenegger and Obama are both going to have to appoint task forces to sort through this muck and make changes in state and federal procedures.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 05:13 PM

"...law enforcement considered only Garrido's prior convictions, not his admissions at trial.

That is insane.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 05:39 PM

A lawyer neighbor told me yesterday that Prosecution and Defense have never been about Justice; it is all about Competition.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 05:47 PM

Parade marks Jaycee's return
"About 500 people in the town where Jaycee Lee Dugard was kidnapped 18 years ago are taking part in a parade celebrating her astounding reappearance and raising money for her and her two daughters..."
the rest of the article


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 10:27 PM

Longer article about the parade today and a
photo
CLICK HERE.

..."Karen Gillis-Tinlin, principal of Meyers Elementary when the kidnapping occurred, said she can't recall a happier day or a larger throng at Tahoe."


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 07 Sep 09 - 07:45 AM

I've just read the book "Picking Up The Pieces" by Paul Britton, criminal psychologist. It gives some insight into how people as dangerous and wicked, as Phillip Garrido appears to be, manage to get out of prison on parole. I'm going to read his book "The Jigsaw Man" next.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: open mike
Date: 07 Sep 09 - 11:43 AM

this guy is such a repeat offender..now this information
is added to his list of attacks...

"Garrido also had been arrested on suspicion of drugging
and raping a 14-year-old girl in 1972, but she declined
to press charges, authorities said this week."

just because a young girl refuses to testify does not mean
it did not happen!!

perhaps this incident happened before the statute of
limitations, so he may not be able to be tried for it,
but i hope it is included in the trial as an example of
his history.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: open mike
Date: 07 Sep 09 - 12:54 PM

earlier victim (now known to not be his first victim) speaks out

one of the printing customers says Garrido gave kidnap prevention advice

cops search for evidence in cold case..article with lots of links

other kidnappings that occurred in the area after garrido released

Nancy Garrido's involvement, she married Phillip in jail,


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 11:02 PM

"probably human" the results of expert analysis of the bone fragment found near the suspect Garrido's home.
article at CNN.com


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: open mike
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 02:34 PM

Investigatons continue..this is not over yet....
Garrido's associates searched

not objective journalism...but more info here


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Janie
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 10:07 PM

A pretty clear explanation and discussion of trauma or betrayal bonds.. First reported in the media as The Stockholm Syndrome, so that is what this lay article references.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: open mike
Date: 11 Sep 09 - 03:37 AM

that last link brought this message:
400 Bad Request
Request cannot be handled by the server.

Reason: URL has unsafe spurious path elements.
Cannot continue. /trauma or betrayal bonds

i presume it may need http in front
or something--please re-post the link.


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: GUEST,janie
Date: 11 Sep 09 - 09:33 AM

try this

trauma/betrayal bonds


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: open mike
Date: 17 Sep 09 - 01:18 PM

New developments in this case...more bones found in the yard

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/16/california.kidnapping/index.html

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/256/story/75568.html


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: open mike
Date: 23 Oct 09 - 11:44 PM

latest news..Jaycee interviewed and photographed.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20312090,00.html


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Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: open mike
Date: 23 Oct 09 - 11:53 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/14/earlyshow/main5383352.shtml


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