BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 04:22 PM

Sorry I can't find a link right now, but yesterday news reported that his wife Nancy described driving around with him the day before the kidnapping, looking for the "right" girl with the looks that Garrido wanted. When they first saw Jaycee, Garrido chose her as the one he wanted, but she was with other children, so they returned the next day and waited at the bus stop area for the chance to grab her and pull her into the car.

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: harpmolly
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 04:23 PM

my mistake...a "powerful, heartwarming story" is the exact quote. I may vomit.

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 04:57 PM

Sometimes not posting is no indication at all about readers' views. My guess is that I'm not the only one who is beyond words.

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Paco O'Barmy
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 05:14 PM

Surely this subject is too grim even for mudcatters to pontificate upon.

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 05:19 PM

"And the fact that Garrido claims that the birth of his last child made him "turn his life around"

Isn't that rather like "finding Jesus" when someone is sitting on Death Row? Sounds lke it to me.

Charlotte Olivia Robertson
who completely horrified by this story

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 05:47 PM

This case touches a sensitive nerve for a lot of us.

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 09:52 PM

"The land, once a walnut orchard, features damp, loamy dirt; the yard smells moldy and fetid. The four camping tents and five windowless shacks were each strewn with clothes and debris, and outside "there was rubbish piled as high as five feet in places," says the source, who toured the yard shortly after Garrido's arrest. "The only place where there was any order at all was the clothing racks. Otherwise everything was piled up like a dump."
more photos... the backyard

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 10:24 PM

Girls find out their older "sister" is really their mother.

article here

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 10:52 PM

VIDEO cnn news Jaycee's childhood friend interview

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: SharonA
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 11:10 AM

Sorry for the length of this post, but I want to paste this entire LA Times article because it describes the various reasons that Garrido was paroled so early -- and the cascading failures of the judicial system (some of which have since been rectified) that had put him back on the street in 1988:


http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-kidnap-parole5-2009sep05,0,1752348.story

Federal Parole Officials Released Phillip Garrido from 50-year Sentence after Short Interview
Examiners spoke to the kidnapper for 35 minutes in 1987 about possible parole. They may not have seen psychiatric reports on him, a U.S. parole official says.

By Maura Dolan
September 4, 2009 10:15 p.m.


Phillip Garrido, the man accused of kidnapping and sexually assaulting Jaycee Lee Dugard, was paroled by the federal government two decades ago after a 35-minute jailhouse interview in which he spoke of his crime, his prison experience and future plans, the U.S. Parole Commission said Friday.

Garrido, charged with abducting Dugard 18 years ago, was released from federal custody after serving only 10 1/2 years of his 50-year sentence for a 1976 kidnapping.

Cranston Mitchell, vice chairman of the U.S. Parole Commission, said two commission examiners met with Garrido in Lompoc, Calif., on Nov. 5, 1987, to discuss his possible parole.

Neither the federal prosecutor nor Garrido's defense lawyer attended the hearing, and the examiners may not have seen psychiatric reports on Garrido, Mitchell said.

They also may not have reviewed Garrido's trial record, Mitchell said. Transcripts would have showed Garrido said he had exposed himself to young girls and masturbated outside schools.

The prosecutor said another woman also identified him as the hippie-looking man who tried to kidnap her an hour before he succeeded in kidnapping the other woman.

Reading a summary of the parole report, Mitchell said Garrido planned to return to live with his mother in California. He had only two prior convictions, Mitchell said. Both were for marijuana possession in California in 1970 and 1972, and he was not incarcerated for the offenses, Mitchell said.

Garrido also had been arrested on suspicion of drugging and raping a 14-year-old girl in 1972, but she declined to press charges, authorities said this week.

The examiners also considered his prison experience. In an earlier bid for release, Garrido had blamed marijuana and LSD use for his crime, and said he had earned a high school diploma and learned carpentry and drafting behind bars.

"He was an average inmate," Mitchell said. "There were no major issues."

Two weeks later, the parole commission received the examiners' unanimous recommendation and voted to parole Garrido to a Nevada state prison to complete a sentence for raping the kidnap victim, a state offense.

A numerical formula used to determine an inmate's suitability for parole indicated Garrido should be released, Mitchell said.

That formula included scores for such factors as obtaining a high school diploma and the inmate's age when first imprisoned.

Garrido's score, which was used as a guideline by the government, showed he had been suitable for parole almost two years earlier, Mitchell said. But under the law at the time, Garrido was required to serve at least 10 years.

Federal parole was abolished in 1987, but the termination did not affect inmates already serving sentences.

The handling of Garrido was typical of the "old-fashioned parole system" that was overhauled by Congress in 1984, when sentences became longer and mandatory, with little judicial discretion, said Stanford Law Professor Robert Weisberg, who specializes in criminal law.

Under today's laws, Garrido probably would have served 20 to 40 years, Weisberg said. Today's parole boards also have more sophisticated ways to measure an inmate's risk to the public, he said.

In deciding to parole Garrido, the presidential appointees on the commission would have taken into account that Garrido had a potential life sentence to serve in Nevada state prison, Mitchell said.

Leland E. Lutfy, who prosecuted Garrido for the kidnapping, said the state judge who sentenced Garrido to serve a five-years-to-life sentence for rape concurrently with the federal sentence did so after being misinformed by the state prosecutor that Garrido would have to serve two-thirds of his federal sentence.

After Garrido entered Nevada state prison in January 1988, the Nevada state parole commission voted 3 to 2 to release him on Aug. 1, 1988.

A Nevada parole spokeswoman was unavailable Friday, but the Reno Gazette-Journal reported that the state board considered Garrido a "moderate" risk because he had never served jail time.

The newspaper reported that Garrido had been incarcerated in a Contra Costa County minimum detention "farm" for a 1969 drug conviction, which would have made him a high risk had the board known of it.

Three years after his release, Garrido is suspected of kidnapping Dugard from South Lake Tahoe, where he had kidnapped the 1976 victim.

The California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation supervised Garrido for the federal government. But the agent who was assigned to him did not discover Dugard and her two daughters living on Garrido's property. The agent supervised about 40 parolees, officials said.

"Forty is a nice size" for a parole caseload, said Mitchell, who ran the parole system in Missouri for 18 years and formerly worked as a police officer. "Most places would love to have 40."

He said some parole agents are responsible for as many as 100 parolees.

Parole work is "driven by suspicion," Mitchell said. "And a lot of it is driven by their history -- not so much the type of crime -- but the history. For this particular individual, he didn't have any history" on paper because law enforcement considered only Garrido's prior convictions, not his admissions at trial.

Gordon Hinkle, a spokesman for the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, declined to identify the agent who supervised Garrido.

Hinkle said the department is reviewing parole procedures as a result of the Garrido case, but stressed that his parole agent was not under any type of investigation.

-snip-

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 12:17 PM

Yesterday's news said that there was some concern as to how this family would pay for all the therapeutic counseling they will need.

My question: As it is glaringly evident that the county, if not the state, failed the long-ago abducted child, continuing the failure over many years, making them responsible for the subsequent events, including the two children, aren't the authorities vulnerable to high penalties? It seems to me that there should be millions involved.

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: SharonA
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 05:10 PM

Which authorities in which state, Ebbie? Nevada released him from prison, but the imprisonment took place in California. What penalties can legally be levied against whom?

*frustrated arrrgghh* What will probably happen is that there will be a lot of interstate finger-pointing among/between agencies, none of which will ultimately benefit the Dugard family. The Dugards may have to file suit(s) to find any restitution. In the meantime, charities are amassing contributions for the victims (and schemers have already set up fraudulent on-line charity sites, so beware!).

So taxpayers will contribute money voluntarily to the Dugards AND they will have to contribute involuntarily toward the Garridos' incarceration, prosecution and court-appointed defense! Am I wrong? (Wish I were!)

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Sep 09 - 06:46 PM

How about starting with the official who "checked it out" after a neighbor reported a suspect situation?

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: SharonA
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 12:14 AM

Yup, lotsa fingers pointing at him at the moment. I wonder, though, what the law says about the officer's need to get a warrant to search the property when the property owner is on parole.

Perhaps we could start with the neighbors who put up with the noise of the "parties" and the trash in the yard (and the stench of the trash?) and the overgrown weeds for 18 years... or with officials who failed to enforce ordinances about noise and yard-trash. Hard to believe that so many people could look the other way for that long.

What about all those friends, customers and business associates of Garrido's who took notice of his strange behavior without thinking that perhaps the young girls in his house needed to be protected from him?

Guess it all depends on how many witches one wants to hunt.

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 12:26 AM

There was no legal need for a warrant to search his property precisely because he was on parole. The property could have been fully searched without a warrant at any time.

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 12:33 AM

"...In fact, Garrido's status as a registered sex offender (his crime in the publicly available sex offender registry is listed as "261(a)(2) Rape by fear/force/etc.") means that law enforcement can search his property without a warrant."

Link to article... and where are the two 4 year old girls mentioned visiting the back yard?
CLick Here

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: SharonA
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 01:39 AM

The Contra Costa County sheriff's deputy who responded to the complaint by the neighbor (Erika Pratt) (when she said she suspected that a woman and girls were living in the yard) was not aware that Garrido was a registered sex offender nor that he was on parole. Not having that knowledge, he wouldn't have had a reason to know that he could have searched the property without a warrant. The question is, why did he not have that knowledge? The answer would seem to be that (a) the county doesn't have procedures that a deputy must follow to check out the criminal record of the subject of a neighbor's complaint; or (b) the county does have such procedures and they were not followed.

What's more bizarre is that there was a surprise visit made to Garrido's home by a "multi-agency task force" as part of a sex-offender compliance check, and the task force searched the home but not the yard. The reason given is that 'no parole officer was part of the team, adding that such officers have greater search powers." Quote pulled from this LA Times story

From that same article: Gordon Hinkle, spokesman for the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, says of his parole officers: "We were dealing with a criminal, and he and his wife were being very elusive. They were very deceptive and very stealthy in how they were keeping these individuals hidden." There apparently is a yard within a yard... but at least one neighbor (Pratt) saw through the "deception". Yet multiple parole officers on Garrido's case did not. The latest parole officer didn't get wise until Garrido very un-stealthily brought Dugard and her daughters to his office!

Basically, the various agencies are making excuses for themselves that sound lame as hell. Looks like Schwarzenegger and Obama are both going to have to appoint task forces to sort through this muck and make changes in state and federal procedures.

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 05:13 PM

"...law enforcement considered only Garrido's prior convictions, not his admissions at trial.

That is insane.

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 05:39 PM

A lawyer neighbor told me yesterday that Prosecution and Defense have never been about Justice; it is all about Competition.

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 05:47 PM

Parade marks Jaycee's return
"About 500 people in the town where Jaycee Lee Dugard was kidnapped 18 years ago are taking part in a parade celebrating her astounding reappearance and raising money for her and her two daughters..."
the rest of the article

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 10:27 PM

Longer article about the parade today and a
photo
CLICK HERE.

..."Karen Gillis-Tinlin, principal of Meyers Elementary when the kidnapping occurred, said she can't recall a happier day or a larger throng at Tahoe."

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 07 Sep 09 - 07:45 AM

I've just read the book "Picking Up The Pieces" by Paul Britton, criminal psychologist. It gives some insight into how people as dangerous and wicked, as Phillip Garrido appears to be, manage to get out of prison on parole. I'm going to read his book "The Jigsaw Man" next.

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: open mike
Date: 07 Sep 09 - 11:43 AM

this guy is such a repeat offender..now this information
is added to his list of attacks...

"Garrido also had been arrested on suspicion of drugging
and raping a 14-year-old girl in 1972, but she declined
to press charges, authorities said this week."

just because a young girl refuses to testify does not mean
it did not happen!!

perhaps this incident happened before the statute of
limitations, so he may not be able to be tried for it,
but i hope it is included in the trial as an example of
his history.

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: open mike
Date: 07 Sep 09 - 12:54 PM

earlier victim (now known to not be his first victim) speaks out

one of the printing customers says Garrido gave kidnap prevention advice

cops search for evidence in cold case..article with lots of links

other kidnappings that occurred in the area after garrido released

Nancy Garrido's involvement, she married Phillip in jail,

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Alice
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 11:02 PM

"probably human" the results of expert analysis of the bone fragment found near the suspect Garrido's home.
article at CNN.com

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: open mike
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 02:34 PM

Investigatons continue..this is not over yet....
Garrido's associates searched

not objective journalism...but more info here

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: Janie
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 10:07 PM

A pretty clear explanation and discussion of trauma or betrayal bonds.. First reported in the media as The Stockholm Syndrome, so that is what this lay article references.

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: open mike
Date: 11 Sep 09 - 03:37 AM

that last link brought this message:
400 Bad Request
Request cannot be handled by the server.

Reason: URL has unsafe spurious path elements.
Cannot continue. /trauma or betrayal bonds

i presume it may need http in front
or something--please re-post the link.

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: GUEST,janie
Date: 11 Sep 09 - 09:33 AM

try this

trauma/betrayal bonds

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: open mike
Date: 17 Sep 09 - 01:18 PM

New developments in this case...more bones found in the yard

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/16/california.kidnapping/index.html

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/256/story/75568.html

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: open mike
Date: 23 Oct 09 - 11:44 PM

latest news..Jaycee interviewed and photographed.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20312090,00.html

Subject: RE: BS: kidnapped girl found after 18 years
From: open mike
Date: 23 Oct 09 - 11:53 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/14/earlyshow/main5383352.shtml