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O'Neill's Music of Ireland wanted

G-Force 03 Sep 09 - 04:50 AM
Ghirotondo 03 Sep 09 - 05:03 AM
GUEST,Lynn W 03 Sep 09 - 05:07 AM
Mick Pearce (MCP) 03 Sep 09 - 05:58 AM
Dave Hanson 03 Sep 09 - 06:41 AM
GUEST,Peter Laban 03 Sep 09 - 08:11 AM
masato sakurai 03 Sep 09 - 08:25 AM
Jack Campin 03 Sep 09 - 08:28 AM
Dave Hanson 03 Sep 09 - 09:29 AM
The Sandman 03 Sep 09 - 10:08 AM
JohnInKansas 03 Sep 09 - 11:20 AM
GUEST,Peter Laban 03 Sep 09 - 11:43 AM
Jack Campin 03 Sep 09 - 12:01 PM
GUEST,Peter Laban 03 Sep 09 - 12:05 PM
G-Force 03 Sep 09 - 12:34 PM
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The Sandman 03 Sep 09 - 01:02 PM
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Subject: O'Neill's Music of Ireland wanted
From: G-Force
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 04:50 AM

Would dearly love a copy of O'Neills' Music of Ireland but looking at the prices, it's a bit expensive. Has anyone got a copy lying around, no longer loved or wanted, they'd be prepared to sell me for a reasonable price? We're talking UK here.
Thanks a lot.


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Subject: RE: O'Neill's Music of Ireland wanted
From: Ghirotondo
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 05:03 AM

Hi, there is an online version here:
O' Neill's Music of Ireland
Lanfranco


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Subject: RE: O'Neill's Music of Ireland wanted
From: GUEST,Lynn W
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 05:07 AM

And another in a different format here -
http://www.freesheetmusic.net/oneills.html


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Subject: RE: O'Neill's Music of Ireland wanted
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 05:58 AM

Three O'Neill tunebooks are available in abc format on John Chambers' site: O'Neill.

Mick


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Subject: RE: O'Neill's Music of Ireland wanted
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 06:41 AM

The Miles Krassen version is available on Amazon from £8.00 upwards.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: O'Neill's Music of Ireland wanted
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 08:11 AM

TTwenty Euro upward

Not high for a book it's size and scope.


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Subject: RE: O'Neill's Music of Ireland wanted
From: masato sakurai
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 08:25 AM

This may not be the one asked for:

Popular selections from O'Neill's Dance music of Ireland; double jigs; single jigs; hop or slip jigs; reels ; hornpipes and long dances (c1910).


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Subject: RE: O'Neill's Music of Ireland wanted
From: Jack Campin
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 08:28 AM

The Miles Krassen one is pretty useless unless you're absolutely determined to sound like Miles Krassen's idea of what Michael Coleman sounded like.


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Subject: RE: O'Neill's Music of Ireland wanted
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 09:29 AM

Got to agree with you Jack, I've got Krassens book but it's no where near as good as the original ' O'Neills The Dance Music Of Ireland 1001 Gems ' of which I've got a 1965 copy, I see the 1995 version is fetching £18.00 upwards on Amazon.

Krassen claimed to have ' ironed out ' ALL O'Neills mistakes, what arrogance [ and rubbish ]

Dave H


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Subject: RE: O'Neill's Music of Ireland wanted
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 10:08 AM

1001,[green book]is the one to have,it has bowing marked,but it is the bowing marked in by O Neills Assistants ,who [I think] were present when the original music was played.


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Subject: RE: O'Neill's Music of Ireland wanted
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 11:20 AM

The original O'Neills contains music collected by a cop who didn't play and didn't read music, and was notated by, IIR, another cop who was a whistle player but who attempted to add fiddle bowings and other notations which, for him, were pretty much in a "foreign language."

Krassen explains pretty clearly what changes he made, and if you look seriously (studiously) at his notes, the Krassen version possibly is the better one from which to start - if you've learned to provide your own embellishments appropriate to your own instrument(s) and appropriate to the style that you believe is "the true way."

In either case, you probably need some knowledge of the "style" you want to apply to your own performances in order to use either version.

Flexibility in the rendering is an integral part of the performance of traditional tunes, isn't it?

It should be noted too that the collecting was done in a US "Irish community" and performances from which the tunes were taken may not be exactly the way the folk "back home" were doing them, even at the time of the collection. (I'd hate to believe that some of the "traditional" Irish clubs in my neighborhood now represent "the pure and traditional" way the tunes grew into the body of music lore.)

John


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Subject: RE: O'Neill's Music of Ireland wanted
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 11:43 AM

Francis O'Neill was an expert fluteplayer who had a good ear for memorizing tunes on the fly and his scribe, James O'Neill, was an accomplished fiddleplayer who had better music skills than he is sometimes given credit for. An excellent description, and defense of his work, can be found in Caoimhin Mac Aoidh's 'The Scribe' : the life and works of James O'Neill. - ISBN 1-873437-33-1 Helps to get your facts right to begin with.


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Subject: RE: O'Neill's Music of Ireland wanted
From: Jack Campin
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 12:01 PM

It might also help to point the OP in the direction of the first 3 volumes of Breandan Breathnach's "Ceol Rince na hEireann" - same sort of content as O'Neill's 1001, better edited, and much more expensive unless you get lucky. Given the existence of ABC transcriptions of all of O'Neill, you don't need it in book form if you've got Breathnach.

We owe a lot to cops. Ord was one, and I've always thought he deserved respect for reprinting "Duncan Campbell"/"Erin go Bragh", in which the hero kicks the bejeezus out of a cop and gets away with it.


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Subject: RE: O'Neill's Music of Ireland wanted
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 12:05 PM

I don't know the OP's intention with his copy of O'Neill's. He may well have a specific use for it.


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Subject: RE: O'Neill's Music of Ireland wanted
From: G-Force
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 12:34 PM

Thanks very much everyone: it's all very interesting. Actually, I'm a whistle player and having mostly an english dance repertoire, am finding irish sessions fairly hard work. I've been advised that O'Neill's is the best bible of irish tunes and as I read music a copy will be a big help.


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Subject: RE: O'Neill's Music of Ireland wanted
From: Geoff Wallis
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 12:39 PM

"We owe a lot to cops."

Tommy Peoples was a Guard in Bray for a short period of his life, but was apparently dispatched to Clare because he didn't make any arrests during his time in Wicklow.

The fathers of both Kevin Burke and Paddy Glackin were senior policemen.

G-Force, the one you want is 'The Dance Music of Ireland', known in some quarters as 'The Book'.


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Subject: RE: O'Neill's Music of Ireland wanted
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 01:02 PM

Geoff Wallis is right, Plus Geraldine Cotters whistle book,which will help you with Irish whistle ornamentation and many other aspects of irish whistle playing.


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Subject: RE: O'Neill's Music of Ireland wanted
From: Geoff Wallis
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 01:19 PM

Geraldine's tutor is excellent, but you might also want to have a look at Éamonn Jordan's two 'Whistle and Sing' books -http://www.mally.com/details.asp?id=625. A third volume is in the pipeline.


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