BS: A birther in the Court

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 01:39 PM

icky, you poor child. You can't get anything right. Here is the poll you referred to. In its entirety.

I would tell you to be ashamed of yourself but I suspect you have spent your whole life being ashamed or yourself.

"On President Barack Obama's birthday, a new CNN/Opinion Research released Wednesday shows 41 percent of Republicans believe Obama was "probably" or "definitely" born in another country.

"The poll of 1,018 adults shows 27 percent of Americans believe the president was "probably" or "definitely" born in another country, compared with 71 percent who think he was born in the United States.

"Among the 285 self-identified Republicans polled, however, the percentage who think Obama was born outside of the country spikes to 41 percent, with 57 percent believing he was born in the United States.

"Nineteen percent of independents think Obama was "probably" or "definitely" born in another country, as do 15 percent of Democrats. CNN/Opinion Research surveyed 398 independents and 335 Democrats for the poll.

"A certificate of live birth from the state of Hawaii confirms that Wednesday is indeed the president's 49th birthday spent as a natural-born American citizen, yet the so-called "birther" conspiracy theory that he was born in Kenya or another country has persisted since the 2008 campaign.

"Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh floated the theory during his show Tuesday, mentioning that the next day was the president's birthday, though he hasn't "seen any proof of that."

The poll was conducted July 16-21 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/40644.html

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Amos
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 11:06 AM

Icky, if you're an AMerican, which is debatable you are walking proof they can grow pretty thick. You like to bandy about heavy words like "constitutional" but cannot parse a clear statement to say what you are referring to. As for Obama's mother, she was better educated than you are, and far less of a whore than you are.

A

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 08:56 AM

Americans aren't stupid,

Cite evidence, please, Itchy.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: ichMael
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 07:36 AM

Obama's 6% black. That's if Barack Obama Sr. was between the whore Dunham's legs at the moment of Junior's conception. 6% black, but that's 100% of the reason to support him?

Makes me think of Affirmative Action. Do you support it? Do you support the elevation of one race over another? If so, then slave owning was okay, to your way of thinking.

This stuff has nothing to do with racism. It's about our constitution being violated. Liberals are now in the minority on believing in Obama's citizenship. If you're not careful, you'll find the impostor in chief sending you off to fight a civil war for him and other "blacks." Do you have that much blind faith?

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 02:56 AM

He may not be old enough, Don.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 01:09 AM

Yup. Spoken like a real Texas redneck, ichMael.

Problem with your whole argument is that Obama is not a Kenyan, he is an American. Born—alive, according to his legal birth certificate issued by the state of Hawaii—which is the fiftieth state of the United States (it became a state a couple of years before Obama was born there). Whether you like or not, whether you believe it or not, it's true. And this makes him an American. And even if his father was a Kenyan, his mother was an American, born in Kansas, dead center of the country, and you can't get more American than that, even if it isn't Texas. So according to the United States Consitution, Barack Obama is an American on two counts.

Didn't you used to be one of the Swift Boat Veterans for (ahem!) "Truth?"

Your real problem with Barack Obama is that he tends to be liberal. But the major problem that you and your cohorts have with Obama is that he is the wrong color.

So throw the noose in the corner and leave your white sheet hanging in the closet. Those days are gone forever. Go out and have a beer.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 12:38 AM

Even freedom of assembly, icky, was put in later.

I would like a list - an intelligent list - of the infringed Constitutional rights that you and the other hysterics bleat about.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: ichMael
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 12:24 AM

Oh...

The poll was off. Americans are stoopid. There are more important things to worry about.

The poll wasn't off, Americans aren't stupid, and there is nothing more important than the U.S. constitution. It is the impediment to world tyranny and must be defended at all costs. It must be defended against imposters inserted into the executive branch. If you let that pass, then what's to stop more erosion of the constitution? What about freedom of assembly? You have that right, and the constitution reaffirms it. But if it's okay to put a Kenyan in the white house, then why not do away with freedom of assembly? Those folk musicians sing songs critical of government sometimes, don't they? Well, let's don't let them do that anymore.

This is a constitutional issue. It's important.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: mousethief
Date: 11 Aug 10 - 12:14 AM

Well, if six of ten Americans are uncertain about Obama's birth, I'd guess a good many of them think he's not a citizen because he was born in a foreign country called Hawaii. When it comes to geography, Americans ain't too bright.

Good point.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Aug 10 - 11:27 PM

Well, if six of ten Americans are uncertain about Obama's birth, I'd guess a good many of them think he's not a citizen because he was born in a foreign country called Hawaii. When it comes to geography, Americans ain't too bright.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 10 Aug 10 - 10:48 PM

Oddly enough, the last presidential candidate who wasn't born in the us was Barry Goldwater. McCain wasn't, though he qualifies as having parents in the US armed forces.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Amos
Date: 10 Aug 10 - 10:50 AM

That ratio is way out of line and isprobably based on a Texas survey.

THe fact is he was born in the US of a US citizen, his mother. LEgal documnentation has been provided.

Give up this silly fiction, would you? Don't you have anything more important to do?


A

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Aug 10 - 12:45 AM

"Out of Austin?" I know you're in Texas, Icky, but in Austin? You don't deserve it.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: mousethief
Date: 10 Aug 10 - 12:36 AM

The fact remains, only 42% are SURE he was born in the U.S.

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. ~Bertrand Russell

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: ichMael
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 11:50 PM

The fact remains, only 42% are SURE he was born in the U.S. And the disturbing thing is that those people are taking it on faith. No documents have been produced to show his place of birth or even his citizenship. He's an illegal alien. His legal name is Barry Soetoro, and his mother changed his nationality to Indonesian. His citizenship was never changed back, and his name remains Barry Soetoro.

This will all come out in time. As it stands now, only 42% are certain he was born here. And they're the faithful...the blinded true believers. But there is hope. The left is beginning to attack him, and he can't withstand that. His base has crumbled.

He'll be replaced in a primary challenge, but he's done his job to further the destruction of America. I just want him to get the hell out of Austin and go back to Man's Country.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: mousethief
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 11:37 PM

From the link: But that leaves almost six of 10 Americans uncertain about the president's birth – and therefore his eligibility under the U.S. Constitution to be president.

WRONG. You do NOT have to be born in the US to be president. You have to be a natural and not naturalized citizen. Being born in the territory of the US is one way to be a natural citizen. It is not the only way.

Icky (as is the article) also is a bit misleading about the results of the poll. If 42% think he was definitely born in the US, and 29% think he was probably born in the US, that's 71% of people who don't have a problem with his eligibility to be president. That's a LOT more than 50%. That's a supermajority. A supermajority of people polled have no problem with Obama's eligibility to be president.

Maybe right-wingers misunderstand the meaning of "certainty". Indeed many of them say they are "certain" about things they most definitely are not, by any reasonable meaning of "certain". If you haven't been following the whole birther thing, you might well say he was "probably" born in the US. That's what I'd say about Shrub, because I have no idea where he was born, and don't care. I know his parents were US citizens, so it doesn't matter if he was born on the moon -- because I know what is required to be a natural citizen of the US.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 11:08 PM

Speaking of "cognitively impaired. . . ."

If ten out of ten people believed it, it still doesn't mean it's true.

We have a bit of time between now and November 2012. A lot can happen between now and then, so I wouldn't write Obama off if I were you (which, thank God, I'm not!).

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: ichMael
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 10:57 PM

Okay. For the cognitively impaired among you, I'll repeat the newsflash:

A new poll by CNN, whose editorial commentary largely supports President Obama and his policies, delivered some bad news on his apparent birthday today: 6 of 10 people are uncertain the president was even born in the United States.

The poll was taken July 16-21 of 1,018 adults, including 335 Democrats and 285 Republicans. It has a margin of error of 3 percentage points....

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=187781

CNN supports Obama. CNN loaded a poll with Democrats. CNN learned that 60% of Americans are uncertain Obama was born in the U.S.

So for you 40% who believe he WAS born in the U.S., you should really start pondering the nature of insanity. 60% of us think you're supporting a Kenyan-born impostor at the expense of your own constitution. Is that a sane thing to do?

Obama's a one-termer. Time to cut your losses and limit the damage he does to the country in the time he has left. He wants to kill your kids in new wars in Pakistan and Iran. Don't let him.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 10:25 PM

Ah, shucks, he's just taking a break from standing there for the past several days, cross-eyed and buttle-deeing his lower lip.

Mind? Naw. Doesn't really factor in.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Amos
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 10:16 PM

Why would expecvt a logical stimulus to account for an insane impulse, FP? It is the nature of irrationality, when it gets severe, to produce all kinds of disconnected reactions to present factors, because the mind in that condition cannot differentiate between the present and the past.

A

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: frogprince
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 10:05 PM

"ichMael revived it, frogprince. Check the dates on the postings"
I realized that, Don,

"but I can't find a post with any actual content to account for it coming up again. Won't it be nice if it just disappears again?"

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: mousethief
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 09:57 PM

Facts and Truth are not determined (or altered) by plebiscite.

There you go being logical and rational again. I'm not sure that's wanted on this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 09:35 PM

Aristarchus (310 B.C. to 230 B.C.), reasoning from careful observations, developed the theory that the earth was a globe, and it revolved around the sun (heliocentrism), instead of the popular belief at the time that it was the other way around.

Eratosthenes (276 B.C. to 95 B.C.), picking up where Aristarchus left off, established the circumference of the earth accurately, to within approximately 100 miles.

Nevertheless, there are some people today who still insist that the earth is flat—maintaining that all this "nonsense" about space flight and landing men on the moon never happened. All the news film one saw on television, they claim, was done in the Disney studios.

Now hear this:   no matter how many people insist—and even vote for—the ideas that 1) the sun goes around the earth rather than the earth orbiting the sun; 2) the earth is flat and all the film we see "allegedly" from space is done either at Disney Studios or Industrial Light and Magic; and 3) Barack Obama is not an American citizen because he was not born in the United States—does not alter the facts that 1) the earth orbits the sun; 2) the earth is round, not flat; and 3) Barack Obama, the son of a Kenyan father and an American (from Kansas, dead center of the United States) mother, was born in Hawaii on August 4th in 1961. Hawaii became the 50th state, admitted to the union on August 21st, 1959, approximately two years before Barack Obama was born. The Certificate of Live Birth IS the official and legal Birth Certificate issued by the State of Hawaii. And many, many other states.

(If a baby was stillborn, in most states, for the record, they would still issue a birth certificate, but it would not be a certificate of live birth, for obvious reasons.)

And furthermore, since one parent, his mother, was an American citizen, that means that he is an American, whether he was born in Kansas, Hawaii, Kenya, or on the third moon of Barsoom.

No matter who—or how many—believe—or vote—otherwise. And that includes ignorant, drooling rednecks.

Facts and Truth are not determined (or altered) by plebiscite.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 08:27 PM

Can't let this go by: "...he took a Certification of Live Birth to the office as proof of birth. They rejected it. Said he needs a REAL birth certificate."

No, they did not. What they did is say that your friend had to bring in a certificate direct from the issuer, not a copy. It needs to have the raised stamp. Getting a passport requires the same thing.

Damn. I was hoping the Ick had passed on somewhere else.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 08:26 PM

ichMael revived it, frogprince. Check the dates on the postings.

South-central Texas, ichMael? Yeah, I understand that there are little pockets of people like you living around there.

Sad. . . .

I wonder what Molly Ivens would say about people like ichMael. Probably something like

To President Obama, if he were even to notice, having someone like ichMael attacking him is ". . . an experience somewhat akin to being gummed by a newt. It doesn't actually hurt, but it leaves you with slimy stuff on your ankle."

Or

"Personally, I think ichMael is evidence that the Great Scriptwriter in the sky is trying to test the efficacy of our gag reflex."

Or

"If ignorance ever goes to $40 a barrel, I want drilling rights on his head."

Since Icky-Mickey's back, the locks on the padded cell doors must be malfunctioning again.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: ichMael
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 07:22 PM

Six out of ten Americans know the guy's a fraud. It's getting crowded on this side of the fence.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: frogprince
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 07:04 PM

This thread got revived some how, but I can't find a post with any actual content to account for it coming up again. Won't it be nice if it just disappears again?

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Amos
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 07:02 PM

You should have plenty of company among the loony madcaps, then Michael. Off you go, join them up and godspeed.


A

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: ichMael
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 07:00 PM

As if the Bush family didn't crap on my state enough, today Air Force One deposited the turd known as Barack Obama in Austin. Or is his name Obama? Anyway, here's a promising bit of news:

A new poll by CNN, whose editorial commentary largely supports President Obama and his policies, delivered some bad news on his apparent birthday today: 6 of 10 people are uncertain the president was even born in the United States.

The poll was taken July 16-21 of 1,018 adults, including 335 Democrats and 285 Republicans. It has a margin of error of 3 percentage points....

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=187781
So, not even Democrats believe the turd is an American.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 10:14 PM

(YAWN)

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: ichMael
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 08:50 PM

Talked to someone today who's been approved for Social Security Disability. Some final papers need to be turned in / looked at, and he took a Certification of Live Birth to the office as proof of birth. They rejected it. Said he needs a REAL birth certificate. He's ordered an official copy from his county of birth.

The impostor Obama has shown the world a Certification of Live Birth as proof of birth. He couldn't be approved for SSD with the document.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 02:59 AM

Hey - he got 306 responses......

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 06:24 PM

I agree, Wesley.

But I do think that when a hatemonger or propagandist like ichMael posts the sort of slime he does, it's incumbent upon someone to reveal the true nature of his libels just in case someone might be naïve enough to give it credence.

But beyond that, the ravings of ichMael and other bits of human detritus such as he should be regarded as of no more significance than other offensive bodily noises.

Rather like opening the windows to let in a bit for fresh, clean air, but otherwise, just ignore it.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: frogprince
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 06:15 PM

Could very well be, Wesley: as in:
(riinnng, riinnng) "Hi,...pant, pant, pant, - guess what I'm wearing..."

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Wesley S
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 05:17 PM

Don - My theory is that there are a few trolls here that are so desperate for attention that they are willing to spread rumors that they don't even believe themselves. The more outlandish the story - and the more we try to convince them of it - the more attention they get. Mission accomplished.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 04:42 PM

If any of this were true, believe me, it would have come out early in the campaign.

I don't know why we pay any attention to trash like ichMael. He's nothing but a petty little hate-monger.

The stench around here is overwhelming.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 09:44 AM

It is possible, Michael, that you are, yourself, an intellectual whore, willing to throw up your heels for any piece of half-assed fantasy that comes your way. A mental roundheel, with no standards or fiber.


A

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: ichMael
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 01:08 AM

And I should have said...trescientos.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: ichMael
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 01:03 AM

Good luck getting that apology. Wouldn't hold your breath.

That's true about Shirley/Stanley Dunham (name confusion seems to run in the family). Dunham traveled a lot, too, and she may not have met the residency requirements, in addition to the age thing.

And I apologize for calling her a whore. I should have said she was a slut. She slept around a lot. There are lists on the internet, by I don't even want to honor the slut by doing a search. I personally think Barry/Barack looks more like his future father in law Barry Soetoro than Barack Obama Sr., so who knows. Bill Clinton's mother was a slut too. What was his story...that his father was truck driver or something?

Obama/Soetoro is an impostor. He's a fraud. Now HE'S a whore. And I'm not talking about his whole homosexual two-step thing, he's just a corporate whore. Now THAT'S something we can all agree on.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: mousethief
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 01:00 AM

Expecting an apology? I might have given one if you had asked for one. But you presume too much.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: GUEST,josep
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 06:56 PM

For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:

-One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born
-The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth;
-A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.

As specified in Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship By a Child Born Abroad. U.S. Department of State. http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

The requirements you refer to above appear to be quite recent since the year 2009 appears quite a number of times. The requirements have changed over the years. At the time of Obama'a birth, his mother would have had to be 19 if she gave birth to him outside the country. She was 18 therefore Obama would not be a citizen.

I further want to clarify I am NOT a birther. I merely state the law. There is no evidence that he was born in Kenya or anywhere outside the U.S. therefore it is a moot point whether Ann Dunham was 19 or not. The birthers have not proven their case and so have no case.

I also resent your stupid attitude that simply because I have researched the topic and am impartial about it that you should call me a birther without knowing anything about me. I will be expecting an apology in your next response should you choose to give one as a matter of decency and maturity.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: mousethief
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 04:07 PM

Which orifice did you pull the "must be 19" reference out of? The law appears above, on this very thread, and there's nothing about having to be 19. It's just wrong. But that doesn't matter to a birther. A new excuse for Obama not to be a natural-born American will always be found, no matter how wrong and stupid. It's so hard to admit you're wrong. Even when the very law in question is posted right before your eyes. I feel sorry for you, I really do.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 03:28 PM

josep, take another look. By law, in addition to being a US citizen, Obama's mother had to have spent "at least six years" in the US. Since she was born and raised in Kansas, it seems evident that she spent enough time in the United States.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: GUEST,josep
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 03:18 PM

//It doesn't matter if he wasn't born in the United States. His mother is an American. That makes him a natural-born citizen. Being born in the United States is sufficient but not necessary to being a natural-born US citizen. The whole kerfuffle about "birtherism" is caused by ignorance of the law. Which isn't terribly surprising, all things considered. Hate can blind you to facts.//

Wrong. His mother BY LAW had to be at least 19 for Obama to be a citizen if he was born in Kenya. She was 18. Therefore if Obama was born outside the US he cannot serve as president even if he were naturalized.

With that said, until the birthers come up with something to prove Obama was born outside the US they are beating a dead horse. I only wish the horse were alive so it could kick them square in the face.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 08:36 AM

I believe you'll find that they've started to do that already, Mouse.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: mousethief
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 02:25 AM

When do Limbaugh, Coulter, and Beck start complaining about how each other are not right-wing enough? That could be entertaining.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 01:08 AM

True indeed, mouse. But left of Rush is far too liberal for a some folks here, it would seem.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 06:18 PM

Obama's one of those wild-eyed liberals (a notch or two to the left of Rush Limbaugh) and he's the wrong hue.

Tsar Ivan IV was a notch or two to the left of Limbaugh. Obama is a bit farther than that.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 02:16 PM

Well, lemme see, now. . . .

I was born in Los Angeles and I lived the first nine years of my life in Pasadena before we moved to Seattle. Quite a nice neighborhood, actually, although not really what one could call posh. A Hispanic family lived across the street (they ran a dry cleaning establishment) and there was a black family living a couple of doors up the street. The oldest girl was attending UCLA, and the younger kids were playmates. My birth certificate, issued in L.A., is only one page and looks very much like Obama's and contains much the same kind of information.

Obviously, I'm not qualified to be president.

(Ye gods, who'd want the job!!???)

Don Firth

P. S. I think TIA's got it. Obama's one of those wild-eyed liberals (a notch or two to the left of Rush Limbaugh) and he's the wrong hue.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 01:46 PM

I have to say that I have been following this "birther" debate very closely since it started. I had always thought that my oldest son could not be President of the United States because he was born in Berlin when I was stationed there.
Then came the 2008 election, with one candidate born in Panama and the other the son of a foreign national (and born in Hawaii, which had just barely become a state). And all the experts said that both candidates were "natural-born" U.S. citizens. This gave me great hope, since my son is now 37 and getting to old to lead a punk rock band. Maybe my own son can become President, after all these years that I thought there was no hope for him.
But if these birthers prevail, then maybe my son will be doing punk rock when he's 80....

-Joe-