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Songs & Rhymes About Knocking

Azizi 27 Sep 09 - 07:55 AM
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Subject: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 07:55 AM

First, I need to give a hat tip to this thread Knock! Knock! (who's there?) which I also agree should be above the line.

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Which songs can you think of that include the word "knock" or "knocking" in their title or lyrics?

I'll start the ball knocking? in my next post to this thread.

Thanks, in advance, for your participation in this thread.


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 08:06 AM

SOMEBODY'S KNOCKIN AT YOUR DOOR

Somebody's knocking at your door,
Somebody's knocking at your door,
Oh-oh sinner, why don't you answer?
Somebody's knocking at your door.

http://lyrics.astraweb.com/display/816/hymns..unknown..somebodys_knocking_at_your_door.html


Here's a slow version and a then a fast version of this song:

Janes Cleveland-"Somebody's Knocking At Your Door"

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Gospelchor MBG Dierdorf auf dem Weihnachtskonzert 2004

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For what it's worth, the "fast" version of this song sounds like the one I'm used to singing.


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Steve Howlett
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 08:06 AM

Idlers and Scivers (sic) by Keith Marsden has the chorus

But we're knocking at the door, knocking at the door,
And a penny in the poor man's hat will no longer do.
They'd better open wide and let us come inside
For the knocking's nearly over, then the door's coming through!


When we used to sing it we knew the song as "Knocking", and that's how we indexed it.


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 08:08 AM

Stop That Knocking on My Door
Who's That Knocking at My Window
Knock and the Door Shall Be Opened
Knockin' on Heaven's Door (Dylan)
I Hear You Knockin' But You Can't Come In


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 08:10 AM

Knock, Knock Who's there.
Poverty Poverty Knocks
Someones Knocking at the Door
Knock Knock Knocking on Heavens Door


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Steve Howlett
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 08:11 AM

"Who's that knocking at my door?
Daft Jennifer Eccles and she lives next door!
Curses, curses, she wants play at nurses
And I want to play at war!"


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 08:22 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe990JYsbNo
Paul McCartney-"Let 'Em In"


LET 'EM IN

(Paul McCartney)

Someones knockin at the door
Somebodys ringin the bell
Someones knockin at the door
Somebodys ringin the bell
Do me a favor,
Open the door and let em in
Sister suzie, brother john,
Martin luther, phil and don,
Brother michael, auntie gin,
Open the door and let em in.

Someones knockin at the door
Somebodys ringin the bell
Someones knockin at the door
Somebodys ringin the bell

Do me a favor,
Open the door and let em in.




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There is also a reggae version of this song by Shinehead which gives the names of reggae greats who have passed on. Unfortunately, I can't find the lyrics or a video of this song online.


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 08:33 AM

Here's an example of a children's cheerleader cheer that includes the word "knock":


I'm a Cougar from Cougar town
and only a Cougar can knock me down
If you don't like my apples,
don't shake my tree
'cause I'm a Cougar
Don't mess with me!

Submitted by: Baby boy; http://cheerleading.about.com/od/cheerschantsyells/a/cheers12.htm


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Mr Happy
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 08:44 AM

Poverty Knock?


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Mr Happy
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 08:45 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Blw5_H9aw-U


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 08:46 AM

I hear you Knocking, but you can't come in!!!


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 08:48 AM

Here's a link to Bob Dylan - Knockin' on Heaven's Door (ORIGINAL)

The lyrics are given on the video screen.

For those who can't get YouTube, here are the lyrics to that song:

KNOCKIN' ON HEAVEN'S DOOR

(Bob Dylan)

Mama, take this badge off of me
I can't use it anymore.
It's gettin' dark, too dark for me to see
I feel like I'm knockin' on heaven's door.

Knock, knock, knockin' on heaven's door
Knock, knock, knockin' on heaven's door
Knock, knock, knockin' on heaven's door
Knock, knock, knockin' on heaven's door

Mama, put my guns in the ground
I can't shoot them anymore.
That long black cloud is comin' down
I feel like I'm knockin' on heaven's door.

Knock, knock, knockin' on heaven's door
Knock, knock, knockin' on heaven's door
Knock, knock, knockin' on heaven's door
Knock, knock, knockin' on heaven's door

http://www.bobdylan.com/#/songs/knockin-heavens-door

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"Knockin' on Heaven's Door" is a song written and performed by Bob Dylan for the soundtrack of the 1973 film Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid. It reached #12 on the Billboard Hot 100 singles chart. In 2004, representatives of the music industry and the press voted it #190 in Rolling Stone magazine's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time issue."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knockin'_on_Heaven's_Door


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 09:02 AM

I HEAR YOU KNOCKING BUT YOU CAN'T COME IN

(Smiley Lewis)

You went away and left long time ago
Now your knocking on my door
I hear you knocking
But you can't come in
I hear you knocking
Go back where you been

I begged you not to go but you said goodbye
Now your telling me all your lies
I hear you knocking
But you can't come in
I hear you knocking
Go back where you been

You better get back to your used to be
'Cause your kind of love ain't good for me
I hear you knocking
But you can't come in
I hear you knocking
Go back where you been

I told you way back in '52
That I would never go with you
I hear you knocking
But you can't come in
I hear you knocking
Go back where you been

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/moonlightmile/ihearyouknocking.htm

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"...In November 1970 [Dave Edmunds from Wales] records his debut solo single called "I Hear You Knocking" that debuts in the US on 26 December and peaks at #4 on the pop chart and goes all the way to #1 in the UK. The record would eventually sell over 3 million copies worldwide. The song was written by blues singer "Smiley Lewis" who took it to #2 on the US R&B chart in 1955. It was also a #2 pop hit also in 1955 for "Gale Storm". "Fats Domino" covered the song again in 1961 but it only made it to #67 on the US pop chart for him."...

http://www.epinions.com/content_4038172804

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDhhWvKNY2k&feature=PlayList&p=A616D3B065123D1D&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2
Smiley Lewis I Hear You Knocking (1955) -sound only

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqIQE4du6co
Dave Edmunds - I Hear You Knocking


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Mr Happy
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 09:11 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7Jvsbcxunc


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 09:16 AM

Mr. Happy, you should warn people that they are going to see & hear Tony Orlando and Dawn singing.

[Just kidding]

:o)


Thanks to all who have posted on this thread so far.

Keep 'em coming!


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 09:42 AM

I'm feeling guilty for my rip on Tony Orlando & Dawn. I sincerely apologize to them and to their fans.

And in penance, I'm going off the subject and post this link to a video of their song which is part of American folk culture:

Tony Orlando & Dawn - Tie A Yellow Ribbon


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 10:01 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92NpzXXpQtg&feature=related

Eddie Floyd-Knock On Wood


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Acorn4
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 10:28 AM

Russ Abbott in his role as Julio Doubleglazias:-

"I don't care what the critics say,
I've been handling knockers for years"


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: oldhippie
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 10:59 AM

"I'm Gonna Knock On Your Door" (and knock and ring and tap until you do).


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 01:17 PM

Here's another children's cheer that includes a form of the word "knock":


Introduce yourself to shy introduce yourself I try my name (say your name) yeah I cheer for (say who you cheer for) my sign is (say your sign)and when I'm up I'm hot stuff And when I'm down don't mess around and when I'm me don't scream or shout or you'll get knocked out!
-De'ajaih; (African American girl; Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; 5/16/2006); cocojams.com


-snip-

My comments about this cheer:

This cheer has a "group/consecutive soloist" pattern. I've named children's cheerleader cheers that have this pattern "foot stomping cheers". Foot stomping cheers start with the group voice (depending on the cheer, this means either the entire group, or the group minus the soloist). The lines thereafter alternate between the soloist and the rest of the group. The brief cheer could end with the soloist saying a line, or with the soloist & the group saying the same line. Sometimes the cheer ends with the group saying the last line without the soloist. But the signature of "foot stomping cheers" is the cheer starting again from the beginning with the next soloist (the former soloist rejoins the group). This pattern of consecutive soloists continues until everyone in the group has had one turn during being a soloist for that cheer.

In the Pittsburgh area, footstomping cheers are usually done by two to five or so girls standing in a horizontal line. I've seen these cheers performed since the mid 1980s in that area by African American girls (usually 6-12 years old). The 1970s (African American school girls, Washington D.C.) is the earliest documentation I've found of this performance style which emphasizes the creation of bass sounding foot stomps that alternate with (individual) handclaps. Sometimes the foot stomps alternate with body pats (pattin' juba). "stompstompclap stompstomp clap" is usually the pattern for the syncopated beat that the girls make while chanting these cheers. This beat continues throughout the entire cheer. If one girl gets off-beat or messes up the words to the chant, the entire chant is "messed up" and the cheer has to start from the beginning. Usually, if a girl doesn't think she knows how to do the beat, or doesn't know the words to that particular cheer, she'll step aside until she learns it rather than risk the ire of the other girls for messing up that (usually informal) cheer performance.

For some foot stomping cheerrs, each new soloist says the same lines (except when they give their name and/or nickname or when they insert their favorite color, or their astrological [sun] sign or something else about themselves. For other footstomping cheers, the soloists are supposed to chant a lines/verses (from a repertoire of lines that fit the cheer)that hadn't already been chanted.

In the example given above everyone in the group except the first soloist says "Introduce yourself". The soloist then says "to[o] shy". The group then repeats its command "introduce yourself". The soloist then says "I ['ll] try". She then says "my name [is ___]"
The rest of the group says "Yeah". In memorized order, the soloist then gives additional identifying information about herself. Each time the soloist's information is followed by some brief statement by the rest of the group. For instance, if the soloist says "My sign is Pisces, the group says "Yeah". But if the soloist says "when I'm up I'm hot stuff", the rest of the group says "hot stuff". And when the soloist says "And when I'm down don't mess around", the rest of the group says "don't mess around". That particular cheer usually ends with the line "don't make me scream or you will be knocked out".

Some of these cheers fade away very quickly. But other cheers-like "Introduce Yourself"-have been remarkably consistent in words & performance style for decades, particularly in numerous African American communities.

For more information on foot stomping cheers, visit this page of my website:

http://www.cocojams.com/street_cheers_example%200104.htm


Azizi Powell


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Little Robyn
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 02:39 PM

Sidney Carter's Standing in the rain.

Standing in the rain,
Knocking on the window.
Knocking on the window
On a Christmas Day.
There he is again,
Knocking on the window.
Knocking on the window
In the same old way


Robyn


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 02:46 PM

Hernando's Hideaway
(Adler-Ross)

I know a dark secluded place
A place where no one knows your face
A glass of wine a fast embrace
It's called...Hernando's Hideaway...OLÉ
All you see are silhouettes
And all you hear are castanets
And no one cares how late it gets
Not at Hernando's Hideaway...OLÉ

At the Golden Fingerbowl or any place you go
You can meet your Uncle Max and everyone you know
But if you go to the spot that I am thinking of
You will be free...to gaze at me
And talk of love

Just knock three times and whisper low
That you and I were sent by Joe
Then strike a match and you will know
That you're in Hernando's Hideaway...OLÉ


ooohh yeah!
move over here a little closer...
mmmmm....
HEY!

Oh just knock three times and whisper low
That you and I were sent by Joe
Then strike a match and you will know
That you're in Hernando's Hideaway.

-snip-

*[Italics added by me to highlight that verse]

"[Hernando's Hideaway] was used on the soundtrack to the film Snatch...It was also No1 in the UK on the 11th of November 1955 (for 2 weeks).}

Lyrics and comments about this song from http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070122033228AAAotVI

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Here's a link to a video of this song by the Johnston Brothers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYeCFkyJR5c


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 02:59 PM

While we are at it - how about a mention of the old wive's tale of why we knock on wood?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knocking_on_wood


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Betsy
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 03:16 PM

Christy Moore sang a great song about the airport at Knock in Eire - does this qualify ?


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 03:55 PM

Knock three times, On the Window in the hallway,
Twice on the pipe if the answer is no!!!


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 04:01 PM

http://www.irishpage.com/songs/knock.htm

Hymn to Our Lady of Knock in Ireland. mg


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Bernard
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 04:02 PM

You know last night, you know the night before
Three little tom cats came knocking at my door
One played a fiddle, another had a drum
The third had a pancake stuck to his bum.


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 04:31 PM

Hello, Betsy.

Thanks for sharing that example.
Yes, any song or rhyme that anyone posts to what I call a "category thread"* counts.

People can have different approaches to these kinds of threads. For instance, there's probably lots of examples of songs in the Digital Tradition (DT), since its such a great resource for songs. But I prefer to add examples "off the top of my head" and then look for more information and possibly videos after thinking of an example. And I prefer to add the words to songs or rhymes and other people may prefer to list as many examples as they can think of, or post information about specific songs, as I believe mg did about the song you shared.

All of this to say that Mudcat members and guests can approach this thread any way they want. They can even go off-topic a bit (like I did earlier in this thread), though hopefully the off-topic posting would not derail the presentation or discussion of the main theme of the thread. :o)

These threads are just for fun, but (and) they can also be interesting learning experiences. So "write on!" (to paraphrase a 1960s American saying).

*These types of threads may be called something else, or they may have no name at all. Don't mind my giving them a name. I just like to name things.

**

mg, thanks for finding that web page. Here's your hyperlink:

http://www.irishpage.com/songs/knock.htm


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: the fence
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 05:26 PM

the knocker upper man


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Jack Campin
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 05:31 PM

Knocked 'Em In The Old Kent Road

(which perhaps ought to start a separate thread about how many squares of the Monopoly board you can associate a song with).


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 05:37 PM

I am going to hate myself in the morning for this.

It's a Hard Knock Life - Little Orphan Annie


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Splott Man
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 05:44 PM

I think Stev Howlett is thinking of Valerie Wilkins by the group Roaring Jelly.
Jennifer Eccles was by The Hollies (I think).


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 06:18 PM

This post is definitely off-topic.

But I was wondering whether I was correct in saying that "right on" was from the 1960s. It turns out that I was right about the decade when that was a popular saying.

See this excerpt from

Re: Right On!
Posted by ESC on March 15, 2004

In Reply to: Right On! posted by Robert on March 15, 2004

: A common phrase uttered in the "Love in" era of the '60s was "Right On" - indicating the speaker was emphatically correct. Though no longer in common useage, I was wondering about the source...

'Right on!' was derived from 'right on T' and popularized by the Black Panthers in the 1960s and 1970s."

ON TIME/ON T - "At the appropriate natural, psychological moment, regardless of 'clock' time. Probably from the Traditional Black Church expression associated with the story of Job. 'He (God) may not come when you want Him, but He's right on time.'" From "Black Talk: Words and Phrases from the Hood to the Amen Corner" by Geneva Smitherman (Houghton Mifflin Co., New York, N.Y., 1994).

".Right on.which is first recorded in 1925." From "20th Century Words: The Story of New Words in English Over the Last 100 Years" by John Ayto (Oxford University Press, New York, 1999)"

-snip-

For what it's worth, I've never heard or seen in print "On T", but I have definitely heard [and used] the saying "He (or "God") may not come when you want Him, but He's right on time."

That saying is so well known among African Americans that it's sometimes given in a call & response manner-meaning one person may say "He may not come when you want Him". And someone else completes the saying "But He's always right on time".*

I had no idea that the phrase "right on" came from that saying. But even if it's not true, it sounds good.

*My interpretation of "He may not come when you want Him, but He's right on time" is is that God knows what is best for us. Although His plans may not fit our time frames (since we want things to happen sooner rather than later), when they happen and even if they don't happen at all, is all part of a master plan. So, on the one hand, we have to wait & trust that God has our best interests at heart, and on the other hand "God helps those who help themselves", so we shouldn't just knock on wood and hope things will turn out for the best without doing what we need to do to the best of our abilities.

I added that "knock on wood" phrase to bring the subject back to the theme of this thread. :o)


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 06:20 PM

Here's that link with the information I quoted about "right on":

http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/29/messages/540.html


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Joe_F
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 06:22 PM

The Chandler's Wife (when I heard sound of a * * *, right above my head).
Chevaliers de la Table Ronde (Toc, toc, toc, on frappe a la porte -- je crois bien que c'est son mari).


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 06:37 PM

VirginiaTam, I had the nerve to take a group of adopted children (mine and others) to see Little Orphan Annie. What was I thinking?

My sons and the other two children who were adopted were between 4 and 6 years old. And they seemed to enjoy the experience. But my daughter who was 10 years old was the one who hipped me to the fact that that play and the "It's A Hard Knock Life" song in particular might be difficult for adopted children.

I confess I hadn't thought about their adopted status at all when I planned that outing. Duh!


**

Here are the words to that song:

IT'S A HARD-KNOCK LIFE


[ORPHANS]
It's the hard-knock life for us!
It's the hard-knock life for us!

[ANNIE]
'Steada treated,

[ORPHANS]
We get tricked!

[ANNIE]
'Steada kisses,

[ORPHANS]
We get kicked!

[ALL]
It's the hard-knock life!
Got no folks to speak of, so,
It's the hard-knock row we how!

[ANNIE]
Cotton blankets,

[ORPHANS]
'Steada of wool!

[ANNIE]
Empty Bellies

[ORPHANS]
'Steada of full!

[ALL]
It's the hard-knock life!

[ANNIE]
Don't if feel like the wind is always howl'n?

[KATE AND TESSIE]
Don't it seem like there's never any light!

[DUFFY AND JULY]
Once a day, don't you wanna throw the towel in?

[MOLLY AND PEPPER]
It's easier than puttin' up a fight.

[ANNIE]
No one's there when your dreams at night get creepy!
No one cares if you grow...of if you shrink!
No one dries when your eyes get wet an' weepy!

[ALL]
From all the cryin' you would think this place's a sink!
Ohhhh!!!!!!!
Empty belly life!
Rotten smelly life!
Full of sorrow life!
No tomorrow life!

[MOLLY]
Santa Claus we never see

[ANNIE]
Santa Claus, what's that?
Who's he?

[ALL]
No one cares for you a smidge
When you're in an orphanage!

[MOLLY]
(Making a whistling sound and imitating Miss. Hannigan)
You'll stay up till this dump shines
like the top of the Chrysler Building.

[ORPHANS]
Yank the whiskers from her chin
Jab her with a safety Pin
Make her drink a mickey finn
I love you, Miss Hannigan

[MOLLY]
(whistle) Get to work!
(whistle) Strip them beds!
(whistle) I said get to work!

[ALL]
It's the hard-knock life for us
It's the hard-knock life for us
No one cares for you a smidge
When your in an orphanage
It's the hard-knock life
It's the hard-knock life
It's the hard-knock life!

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/annie/itsthehard-knocklife.htm

**

Here's a link to a YouTube video of that song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR80EEsWauU

**

BTW, hip-hop artist Jay-Z had a 1998 hit album & song called "Hard Knock Life" which includes a clip of this song from "Annie". My sons certainly played that song, and it didn't seem to bother them. But still...


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 06:54 PM

Here's the song that Joe_F referred to in his 27 Sep 09 - 06:22 PM post (I think):

"This example of "The Chandler's Wife" is performed by The Sassy Lassies (Liza Kay).

Please refer to Cantaria's Copyright information

This can be sung as "I" or "a man" depending whether you prefer first or third person voice. Liza performs it in the third person. The last verse is always in 3rd person. Some common alternatives to the words Liza sings are noted in brackets. The KNOCKS could be claps, snaps, drum beats, etc. -- any sound that implies "censored".

A man (I) walked into the chandler's shop some candles for to buy,
He (I) looked around the chandler's shop but no one did he (I) spy.
So he turned upon his heels and to the door he sped
[alt 3rd line: I was disappointed and some angry words I said, ]
When he (I) heard the sound of a KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK up above my head.
When he (I) heard the sound of a KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK up above my head.

Well this young man was a bold young man so up the stairs he sped,
[alt 1st line: I was slick and I was quick, and up the stairs I sped, ]
And very surprised was he (I) to find the chandler's wife in bed;
And with her was a fine young man of most incredible size,
And they were having a KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK right before his (my) eyes.
And they were having a KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK right before his (my) eyes.

When the fun was over and done and the lady raised her head,
She was quite surprised to find him (me) standing by the bed
"If you would keep my secret sir, if you would be so kind,
You may drop in for a KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK whenever you feel inclined."
"You may drop in for a KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK whenever you feel inclined."

So, many a day and many a night when the chandler wasn't home,
Down to the chandler shop, for candles he (I) would roam.
But nary a one she gave to him (me), but gave to him (me) instead,
Just a little bit more of the KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK to light his (my) way to bed.
Just a little bit more of the KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK to light his (my) way to bed.

So, all you married men take heed, whenever you go to town,
If you must leave your woman alone, be sure to tie her down.
Or, if you would be kind to her, just lay her right down on the floor,
And give her so much of that KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK she doesn't want any more.
And give her so much of that KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK she doesn't want any more."

https://www.chivalry.com/cantaria/lyrics/chandlerswife.html

-snip-

A note on that page indicate that there's another version of this song in the Digital Tradition. I tried but couldn't access it. Maybe the search feature still isn't working properly.


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 06:58 PM

the fence, I had to use google to find out what "the knocker upper man" means, and found this link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq1qm6hSHFs

Joe Stead (1981 Version) - The Knocker Upper Man


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 07:13 PM

The singer in that "Knocker Upper" song prefaced his performance of that song by saying that the title of that song seems to make Americans smile or laugh. He continued his remarks saying that he didn't know why that was and didn't care to know.

Well, I thought that was rather incurious of that singer, so I left this comment on that YouTube video page:

"I'm an American and I confess that the title of that song made me smile. It's partly because of the child like alliteration or whatever you all that ending. But "knocker upper" also has a bit of naughtiness about it ("knocking somebody up" means to get them pregnant.)"

And now you know :o)

-snip-

I meant the fact that both of the two words ended in "er".

**

Joe, it occurs to me that that singer has the same first name as you do. Was that you? If so, good job (good job even if that singer isn't you).

But I want to be clear that I meant no harm by my comments. I thought that the singer might want to take a lighter approach to his prefacing remarks. I don't think Americans are laughing at English customs. [Speaking for all Americans, which certainly can get me in trouble] We just think those words are kinda funny and also just a little bit "naughty".

Which calls to mind another current Mudcat thread:
'naughty'; 'bawdy' - what else?

[Other English language words that mean "naughty"/"bawdy"]


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 07:47 PM

Cosher Died, twas something shocking
and they laid him in his coffin
then they heard a knock knock knocking

cosher Bailey, always joking


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Snuffy
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 08:53 AM

Who's that knocking at my door?
Who's that knocking at my door?
Who's that knocking at my door?
Said the fair young maiden
It's only me from over the sea
Said Barnacle Bill the sailor
It's only me from over the sea
Said Barnacle Bill the sailor

etc., etc..


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 09:26 AM

Knock me down with a feather, clever Trevor
Wise men wonder whether clever Trevor's clever
Neither have they got nor neither have they not
got the right to make a clot




Out of Trevor
Ian dury and the blockheads


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 11:10 AM

"Knockin da Boots" is the title of a 2007 R&B song by H-Town.

Here's a link to that song's lyrics:
http://www.dapslyrics.com/h-town/knockin-da-boots-lyrics/

And here's a link to a YouTube video of that song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrBnEaQd4ZY

**

What does "knockin da boots" mean?

Well, let's just say that the phrase "knockin da boots" carries on a lusty Blues tradition of creating euphemisms for certain meaningful actions.


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Will Fly
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 11:41 AM

I'm not sure if someone has already mentioned this, but another meaning of to "knock" in the UK is to go to the pawnbrokers. There was an Irish pun on this when people over there used the phrase "I'm going to knock" - it wasn't the place...


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 11:57 AM

Out of interest, Mike Canavan, formaly of this Parish (Manchester) wrote 'Knocker Upper Man' as well as many other classics of Lancashire times gone by. One of my favourite of his was about the public swimming baths

"Ee, the load of mucky kids that used to come each day
down to t'corporation baths that were in Harperhey
In my mind I see 'em now, clear as yesterday
Kids all shapes and sizes, always dirty"

Can't remember any songs or chants with knocking in but I'll ask Mrs G later. I fondly remember though that, now the nights are closing in, we are coming into 'knock a door run' season. Glad we never got caught:-)

DeG


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 01:52 PM

Here is one to knock your socks off Az and rattle your week....(I know lets call a boycott of Sherman, Clay pianos right girl?)

Dat Nigger Knocker

(A Phenomenal Hit - The Latest Coon Song)
words by Ed. Mansfield
music by G. Falkenstein.
Publisher: San Francisco (S.W. Corner Kearny and Sutter Sts.) : Sherman, Clay & Co
1898

1. Dere's a coon around dis town, known as Nigger Knocker Brown
At every yaller gal he rubber necks, Yester day upon der stree,
My babe he chance to meet, An tried his best to knock me, I expects;
He done tole her such a tale 'Bout my bein'ini put in jai
Thinking just to give my babe an awful shock; But when I seen my baby in the
morning, says she: "Dat nigger Borwn was trying to knock." Oh! dat

2. In a chop house Brown once heard As a waiter I'se a bird,
I can trackem fifty high on any tray, De boss am good to me,
An I always gets my fee; Dis nigger tried to knock me there one day;
His order I done take, Brings him in a sirloin steak,
An' he yells "Dis meat am harder dan a rock; De boss got mad, but when he seen de
steak dere, he says: "Dis coon am just a tryin' to knock." see!

3. It was in de month of June, We was on our honey moon,
My babe an me was out to spend the day, Met de Knocker on de beach,
Tho't my wife a little peach, To knock me he at once did make a play;
He says I jest seen Lou, She's a waitin' now for you, Sittin'
down behin de bathhouse on a block, My sweet thing says "Oh! Go along you
nigger for I know you'se a simply tryin' to knock." see!

4. Had a dream de other night, Coon an' me mised in a fight;
He cut me wid his razzor an I died, Up for heaven I was bound,
When I turned an' looke a-round, I see di nigger knocker at my side;
Old Saint Peter says for fun, I'se got room for only one,
De Golden Gates he started to unlock Den dat nig felt his pocket for his
hammer, but I woke up as he began to knock Oh dat

CHORUS:
Nigger is a knocker, de worstest in de land; He'd knock me with my baby if he could He's de dheapest old flunky An' thinks he's something garnd, But his knockiin never don no good.

4th Verse CHORUS
Nigger am a knocker, de worstest in de land; He'd knock me with saint Peter if he could
I always see dat nigger with a hammer in his hand But his knockin never don no good.

Manuscript then rolls into a jig-like dance tune.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

I need to review the quick easy ABC notation - it is a catchy little tune - however, maybe midi would be better. I'll jump right on it.


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 02:12 PM

A note on 'Wot-cher, or Knocked 'Em In The Old Kent Road' - cited by Jack Campin above with a ref to the London version of the Monopoly Board. Music-hall song made famous by Albert Chevalier [1861-1923], written by Charles Ingle; given new lease of life in Shirley Temple's film version of The Little Princess [1939], sung and danced with Arthur Treacher. Lyrics easily googled via International Lyrics Playground.


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Paul Burke
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 02:20 PM

Have we had Knocking Nelly yet?


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 02:53 PM

And I don't think we've had the Monkees, have we? - "We are the new generation, Knock knock knocking at your door"? Or did I just miss it?


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 03:19 PM

Knock em Dead - Motley Crew

Well in the heat of the night
You went and blackened my eyes
I hold back
go back
go back
And I'm comin' your way
Well now what's good for the times
Might judge the blood in your face
I go black [tunnel vision/drunken stupor]
go black
go black
And in a crime of hate

[Chorus:]
Knock 'em dead, kid
(Knock 'em dead!)
Well Knock 'em dead, kid
(Knock 'em dead!)
Well it's a TKO
The blade is red, kid
(Knock 'em dead!)
Knock 'em dead, kid
(Knock 'em dead!)

Well the stars make'em fight [stars in the night sky]
I heard a give and scream
I hold back, go back, go back
Another talent's bloody dream
I heard'em startin' to whine
My blood turned to freeze
You see the red in my eyes
You're gonna take my disease

Knock 'em dead, kid
(Knock 'em dead!)
Knock 'em dead, kid
(Knock 'em dead!)
Well it's a TKO
The blade is red, kid
(Knock 'em dead!)
Well Knock 'em dead, kid
(Knock 'em dead!)

Knock 'em Knock'em Knock 'em
Knock 'em dead, kid
(Knock 'em dead!)
Well Knock 'em dead, kid
(Knock 'em dead!)
Well it's a one man fight
His blood is red kid
(Knock 'em dead!)
Knock 'em dead, kid
(Knock 'em dead!)


Knock'em .. Knock'em .. Knock'em
Knock.....[scream].... 'em uh ah Dead kid.


In this song the phrase Knock em dead might be it a bit.... ahhh... literal.


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 03:33 PM

I believe my opinions about the "n" word (regardless of who uses it and when) are well known on this blog. I therefore won't repeat those opinions on this thread.

**

Moving right along, in my next post to this thread, I'll share another example of a girls' foot stomping cheer that is similar to the one that I posted in my 27 Sep 09 - 01:17 PM comment.


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 03:36 PM

Uh that should be Motley Crue -

I would give up now, but this whole knock on wood thing has got me speculating.

Basically the phrase in various incarnations is popular all over the globe.

I find it fascinating that we knock on doors now. Do you suppose that prior to there being doors of wood upon which to announce arrival, get attention, gain entry, that human kind rapped on wigwam, yurt, tepee, etc.? Likely not, as more often than not these dwellings were habituated by more than one family. All belonged to all and so any could just enter. Perhaps they hailed vocally from out of "flap" if not too closely linked? Wonder what the protocol was.

So where did the custom of knocking on the door come from? I like to think as social and nomadic living gave way to individual permanent housing, that with the introduction of wooden doors, the tradition of knocking on wood came as a kind of blessing upon entering the home of your fellow.   

I like to think sometimes, so long as it is not too taxing.


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 03:57 PM

YOU AIN'T GOIN NO WHERE

Entire
Group                You ain't goin no where
                no where
                You ain't goin no where
                You ain't goin no where
                no where
                You ain't goin no where
                Hey Shadaya!
Shadaya         What?
(Soloist #1)        What
Group                Introduce yourself
Shadaya         Too shy.
Group                Introduce yourself
Shadaya                I'll try
                My name is Shadaya        
                I cheer for Garfield.
                My sign is Libra.
                And when I'm up
Group                When she's up.
Shadaya                I'm hot stuff.
Group                She's hot stuff.
Shadaya                And when I'm down.
Group                And when she's down.
Shadaya                Don't mess around.
Group                Don't mess around
Shadaya                Don't make me scream
                cause you will be _knocked _out.

-Shadaya {African American girl, 10 years old;
Pittsburgh, PA; 2002; collected by Azizi Powell, 2002

[Continue the chant from the beginning with the next soloist who substitutes her name and her astrological sun sign. This continues until every member in the group as had one turn as the soloist.]

The - indicates a beat before the next word is chanted.

**
Foot stomping cheers are performed very much like Black university Greek letter steppin'.

Here are links to two YouTube videos that give a sense of what steppin' (and foot stomping cheers) is like:


"Step"
{This video shows a young girl demonstrating step moves; including body patting. This used to be called "pattin juba"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DI6k7vd4Qs&NR

Added July 04, 2006; From swtytwty99

**

"Step Team"
Added April 08, 2006 ;From clonebob
{a high school or community step team}

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDM_R529UQ4&mode=related&search=

Note: This high school step team is co-ed. However, foot stomping cheers are almost always an all female activity. If there are any university step teams that are coed, that is a new phenomenon.

Steppin is usually done as part of a formal competition between sororities, and between fraternities. In contrast to the informality of foot stomping cheers. Although steppin started with African American Greek lettered fraternities and sororities, the art of steppin' has been embraced by Latino, Asian, and other step teams.


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 04:23 PM

Here's a corrected copy of that cheer:

YOU AIN'T GOIN NO WHERE

Entire
Group: You ain't goin no where.
no where.
You ain't goin no where.
You ain't goin no where.
no where.
You ain't goin no where.
Hey Shadaya!
Shadaya (Soloist #1): What?
Group: Introduce yourself.
Shadaya: Too shy.
Group: Introduce yourself.
Shadaya: I'll try.
My name is Shadaya.      
I cheer for Garfield.
My sign is Libra.
And when I'm up
Group: When she's up
Shadaya: I'm hot stuff.
Group: She's hot stuff.
Shadaya: And when I'm down
Group: And when she's down
Shadaya: Don't mess around.
Group: Don't mess around.
Shadaya: Don't make me scream
'cause you will be _knocked _out.

-Shadaya {African American girl, 10 years old;
Pittsburgh, PA; 2002; collected by Azizi Powell, 2002

[Continue the chant from the beginning with the next soloist who substitutes her name and her astrological sun sign. This continues until every member in the group as had one turn as the soloist.]

The - indicates a beat before the next word is chanted.

**

I observed this same cheer performed by African American girls (ages 8-1i years old) in the same Pittsburgh neighborhood of Garfield. Some cheers from 2002 don't appear to be known by those girls. And a lot of cheers from that neighborhood which I observed in the 1980s appear to have been forgotten.

What is amazing to me is how many cheers (from different decades) appear to be known by African American females throughout the United States (as per examples that have been submitted to my website and examples that I have gleaned from other blogs). For the record, "Introduce yourself" (but not this "You ain't goin nowhere version") is one of the foot stomping cheers that appears to be known in African American communities throughout various states in the USA.


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 04:37 PM

Did anyone say the Wraggle taggle Gypsies?

there were three Gypsies a knocking at my door inquiring of my ladyo..

mg


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: GUEST,PB and Jelly
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 06:12 PM

Prison Bitch
by Rodney Carrington

I really hate these knockers that you tattoo'd on my back
I thought that I could break away
but now I'm losing hope
and god I'm tired of picking up the soap

now I know why they call you a "HARDENED" criminal
hang on you're about to find why they call this the pokey!!!


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: GUEST,Rich Williams
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 01:26 AM

How about 'Cursed Be The Caller' by Jez Lowe

Who's that knocking there? Who's that rapping there?
Who's that tapping there? Can't you let us be.
We've been to work today. Digging our lives away.
Down below the frozen clay and out beneath the sea.
Oh Cursed be the caller with his knock, knock, knock.


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 02:00 AM

Nilssons 'All I Think About Is You' :- "I stand an hour knocking, knowing that my heart is mocking me.


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 08:37 AM

I've been meaning to mention Bernard's 27 Sep 09 - 04:02 PM post in which he gave the example of a "last night the night before" rhyme that featured "three tom cats".

Iremember singing a jump rope rhyme that was similar to that:

Last night the night before
twenty five robbers at my door.
I got up to let them in.
and this is what they said to me
Lady bird, lady bird
turn all around around around
Lady bird, lady bird
touch the ground the ground, the ground
Lady bird, lady bird
say your prayers, your prayers, your prayers
Lady bird, lady bird
step right OUT!
-Azizi, New Jersey, 1950s

-snip-

Notice that I don't remember saying the word knocking.The number of robbers that I remember probably is a result of folk etymology, since most of the versions that mention robbers number them as 24.


-snip-

For whatever reasons, versions of this rhyme feature lots of different characters besides 3 tom cats and 25 robbers knocking on somebody's door. Here are a list of characters that are mentioned in Mudcat's thread on Not Last Night But The Night Before (also known as "Last Night,[and] The Night Before") rhymes:

24 robbers
3 old tomcats
2 tomcats
3 witches
3 wee witches
3 black cats
3 wee monkeys
3 little pigs
2 jackasses
a lemon and a pickle   

[My apologies if I overlooked some examples.]


-snip-

There's also a version of the rhyme that is mentioned in that thread which features 3 little n****r boys. The person who shared that example indicated in a subsequent post to that thread that "I wouldn't dream of performing it at all nowadays nor of teaching it to kids, but when we were kids it was just a rhyme and meant as little to us as all the other versions."

I think that it's appropriate to document such rhymes & songs for the folkloric record, but I'm glad that we are moving beyond the use of such referents.

**

A summary of Stephen King's book Tommyknockers that is found at http://listing-index.ebay.com/movies/The_Tommyknockers.html includes the informational tidbit that the book's title comes from an old children's rhyme:

"Late last night and the night before, Tommyknockers, Tommyknockers knocking at my door, :I want to go out, don't know if I can, :'Cause I'm so afraid of the Tommyknocker man!"...

-snip-

http://finalgravity.blogspot.com/2007/12/mash-tommyknocker-brewery.html provides this information on "tommyknockers": "The Tommyknocker name comes from the knocking on the mine walls that happens just before cave-ins - actually the creaking of earth and timbers before giving way. To some of the miners, the knockers were malevolent spirits and the knocking was the sound of them hammerings at walls and supports to cause the cave-in. To others, who saw them as essentially well-meaning practical jokers, the knocking was their way of warning the miners that a life-threatning collapse was imminent".


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: IanC
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 09:47 AM

Of course, there's always the childrans' wassail song with the chorus

Knock on the knocker, ring on the bell
Please give us a copper because we sang so well


with the usual verses about not being daily beggars etc. I'm surprised this isn't in DT. Laurie Lee quotes from it in "Cider With Rosie".

Eight of us set out that night. There was Sixpence the Tanner, who had never sung in his life (he just worked his mouth in church); The brothers Horace and Boney, who were always fighting everybody and always getting the worst of it; Clergy Green, the preaching maniac; Walt the bully, and my two brothers. As we went down the lane, other boys, from other villages, were already about the hills, bawling 'Kingwensluch', and shouting through keyholes 'Knock on the knocker! Ring at the Bell! Give us a penny for singing so well!' They weren't an approved charity as we were, the Choir; but competition was in the air.

:-)


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: sing4peace
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 11:15 AM

KNOCKING ON THE DOOR OF HEARTBREAK - Joyce Katzberg

That's me, I'm knocking
On the door of heartbreak
That's for certain, that's for sure
I know, 'cuz I've been here before
And that's the door of heartbreak.

Hear me knocking, knocking
knock, knock, knock, knock, knocking
out here alone
To myself I'm talking, talking
talk, talk, talk, talk, talking
all on my own.

What is this strange compulsion
That has me here at your door
When I know what's on the other side
Why am I back here for more?
That's me, I'm knocking
On the door of heartbreak.

------

This is a country/swing number. Sorry, I don't have it recorded yet, so can't share the melody. But you could come hear me sing it live at the Church St. Coffeehouse on October 17 (2009) if you happen to be in Warren, RI)

----
Joyce


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 12:53 PM

have we mentioned the night visiting songs/ to which I don't know the words..

who is that knocking at my window
he knocks so loud and won't come in???

how about tapping: or windows.

Spinning wheel

Eileen Acora I hear someone tapping
Tis the ivy dear mother against the wall flapping


or windows:

Dainty Davy:

It was in and through the window broad
And all?
Twas there he had me as he pleased
My ain dear Dainty Davy

Or breaking down doors:

Butcher boy

He went upstairs the door he broke
He found her hanging from a rope


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 12:59 PM

Hello, Joyce.

Thanks for sharing your song. I'm sorry I don't live near Rhode Island to hear you perform it.

I'd love to know how it sounds (After reading it the first time, I made up a tune and was singing it that way to myself.)

And I absolutely don't want to knock your song, but I was thinking to myself why she wants to go back with that jerk who hears her singing & knocking on his door and he won't open the door after the first line or so.

Then I thought to myself "she shouldn't have gotten mad and thrown the key to his house in his face".

I could write the whole story-been there done that, except for the knocking on the door and singing in the rain-the rain being one of my additions to the story. Not that it was raining when I asked some jerk to take me back. It's just that it rains a lot in Pittsburgh so I can identify with it being rainy and her crying while she sang. Not that I ever did any of that mind you. It's just that I can identify except that I wish that I could tell her-"Listen, honey. It's not worth you wastin your breath singing that song. Thet guy's a jerk with a capital "J".

But if I was there to say that, that woman wouldn't hear me over the sound of her singing and her knocking. Besides, some lessons people have to learnd for themselves.


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 01:41 PM

Re Hernando's Hideaway ['Knock three times & whisper low That you and I were sent by Joe'], posted by Azizi 2 days ago — to complete the credits, it began life as a dance number in the musical The Pajama Game [Adler & Ross, Abbott & Bissell 1954].


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: sing4peace
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 02:42 PM

Thanks for the sisterly advice Azizi -

They say good judgement comes from experience -
and experience comes from bad judgement.

I thought it was a good question to ask myself - "what is this strange compulsion?"

Got a fun song out of it though. Sounds faaaaaantastic with a pedal steel.

Heard any "knocking" songs from Pittsburgh from last week's G20 demo's. Heard a few heads got knocked. Maybe somebody'll write it.
Hmmmmmm..... later.

Gotta go, someone's at the door...
----
Joyce


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 05:07 PM

For the record (no pun intended), L.L.Cool J has a hip-hop track called "Mama Said Knock You Out".

Personally, I don't approve of that record because it contains a homophobic reference (though it's not about spousal abuse as it's title might imply)

**

I also have issues with this version of the children's rhyme "Have You Ever-Sailor" (or whatever this rhyme is called) because it appears to me that it makes fun of certain physical conditions:

Have you ever, ever, ever in your short legged life seen a short legged sailor with a short legged wife?

No I've never, never, never in my short legged life seen a short legged sailor with a short legged wife.

Have you ever, ever, ever in your long legged life seen a long legged sailor with a long legged wife?

No I've never, never, never, in my long legged life seen a long legged sailor with a long legged wife.

Have you ever, ever, ever, in your knock-kneed life seen a knock-kneed sailor with a knock-kneed wife?

No I've never, never, never in my knock-kneed life seen a knock-kneed sailor with a knock-kneed wife

Have you ever, ever, ever in your short legged life seen a long legged sailor with a knock-kneed wife?

No I've never, never, never in my short legged life seen a long legged sailor with a knock-kneed wife.

[When you say "Short legged" you make a short distance between your hands. When you say "Long legged" you make a longer distance between your hands. When you say"Knock-kneed" you touch your elbows together.]

-Contributed by Mary; http://www.gameskidsplay.net/games/ClappingRythmsGames/short_legged_sailor.htm


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 07:57 PM

I admit to being unfamiliar with the custom of wassailing as mentioned in IanC's 29 Sep 09 - 09:47 AM post.

Perhaps other people might find this excerpt from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wassailing of interest:

[Wassailing] "has its roots in the middle ages as a reciprocal exchange between the feudal lords and their peasants as a form of recipient initiated charitable giving, to be distinguished from begging. This point is made in the song "Here We Come A-Wassailing", when the wassailers inform the lord of the house that

"we are not daily beggars that beg from door to door but we are friendly neighbors whom you have seen before.

The lord of the manor would give food and drink to the peasants in exchange for their blessing and goodwill, i.e...

"Love and joy come to you,
And to you your wassail too;
And God bless you and send you
a Happy New Year"

... which would be given in the form of the song being sung. Wassailing is the background practice against which a carol such as "We Wish You a Merry Christmas" can be made sense of.

Wassailing is often described in innocuous and sometimes nostalgic terms, the practice has not always been considered so innocent. In fact in early New England wassailing was associated with rowdy bands of young men who would enter the homes of wealthy neighbors and demand free food and drink in a trick-or-treat fashion. If the householder refused, he was usually cursed, and occasionally his house was vandalized.

The example of the exchange is seen in their demand for "figgy pudding" and "good cheer", i.e., the wassail beverage, without which the wassailers in the song will not leave, "we won't go until we've got some."

**

In my opinion, "kunering" was a similar custom (with African and European roots) that was practiced in parts of the American South until the 1880s.

"John Kunering" was a way in which blacks, free and slave, would
imitate the Christmas traditions in their own manner, and an opportunity to parade in gaily-dressed musical groups around the city and request Christmas gifts and treats from white families. The custom fell into disuse in the 1880's after being tabooed by black residents, it was seen "as tending to lower them as a race in the eyes of the public (Moore)."

Though usually viewed as a black custom, historians note that the processions was not limited to blacks, as many white youths would
dress and march as well, joining in the Christmas gaiety."

-snip-

It should be noted that Kunering still lives on in The Bahamas, and in some other parts of the Caribbean in Jonkanno celebrations.

Here's one "Kunering" (Hohn Kuner) song:

"In Wilmington, the "John Kuners" would dance throughout the town to
the rhythmic chants of:

"Hah! Low! Here we go!

Hah! Low! Here we go!

Hah! Low! Here we go! Kuners come from Denby!"

http://www.cfhi.net/JohnKuneringatChristmas.php

For more information about the African roots of "Kunering" which is also called "Jonkanoo", "John Canoe" and similar sounding words, see
http://www.junkanoobeat.com/?cmd=view&artid=60 .


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 08:01 PM

Correction:

Hohn Kuner is a mistype. I meant to write John Kuner or John Canoe


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: GUEST,Mr Red
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 08:23 AM

How do you know when there's a Banjo player at your door?

The knocking gets louder, and louder, and faster and faster. He can't find the key, and he never knows when to come in.
And you can't say all that about a Bodhran player.


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Subject: RE: Songs & Rhymes About Knocking
From: Azizi
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 03:54 PM

I don't think anyone has posted this song yet:

KNOCK ON THE DOOR

{Phi Ochs)

In many a time, in many a land,
With many a gun in many a hand,
They came by the night, they came by the day,
Came with their guns to take us away

With a knock on the door, knock on the door.
Here they come to take one more,
One more.

Back in the days of the Roman Empire,
They died by the cross and they died by the fire.
In the stone coliseum, the crowd gave a roar,
And it all began with that knock on the door

Just a knock on the door, knock on the door.
Here they come to take one more,
One more.

The years have all passed, we've reached modern times,
The Nazis have come with their Nazi war crimes.
Yes the power was there, the power was found,
Six million people have heard that same sound

That old knock on the door, knock on the door.
Here they come to take one more,
One more.

Now there's many new words and many new names,
The banners have changed but the knock is the same.
On the Soviet shores with right on their side,
I wonder who knows how many have died

With their knock on the door, knock on the door.
Here they come to take one more,
One more.

Look over the oceans, look over the lands,
Look over the leaders with the blood on their hands.
And open your eyes and see what they do,
When they knock over their friend they're knocking for you

With their knock on the door, knock on the door.
Here they come to take one more,
With their knock on the door, knock on the door.
Here they come to take one more,
One more.

http://www.lyricstime.com/phil-ochs-knock-on-the-door-lyrics.html


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