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Cravin' a 12-String

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Gerry C 07 Dec 09 - 12:01 PM
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Subject: RE: Cravin' a 12-String
From: Gerry C
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 12:01 PM

I'd recommend the Freshman FA-200 E12: rich, detailed tone, good action out of the box (and even better when properly tweaked), plenty of volume (my neighbours might say too much...) and very reasonably priced: what's not to like?

GC


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Subject: RE: Cravin' a 12-String
From: kendall
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 12:54 PM

I've played most ofthem, I've owned some of them and none of them can be compared to the Apollo 12.


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Subject: RE: Cravin' a 12-String
From: Amos
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 01:30 PM

ver since their introduction in the early ’60s, Guild’s jumbo 12-strings have been the standard against which other guitars are compared. They’ve turned up in the hands of players as diverse as Ralph Towner and Slash. The plainly appointed and affordable mahogany F212XL has long been a players’ favorite despite the fact that it was discontinued in the 1980s. Guild has now reissued the F212XL with a list price of $1785.

    Taylor’s foray into the 12-string market is no less auspicious than Guild’s. There are many who believe that 12-strings are the company’s claim to fame, and their playability is undisputed. The 355 ($1,558) is the most recent and least expensive addition to Taylor’s impressive 12-string lineup.

    On the surface, the 355 and F212XL have a lot in common. Both feature jumbo bodies, solid mahogany backs and sides, solid spruce tops, ebony bridges and fingerboards, and chrome Grover mini-tuners. But that’s where the similarities end. The F212XL is a slightly heavy instrument, and the chunky, unbound neckâ€"which, like that of all Guild’s 12-strings, features double truss rodsâ€"contributes to its solid feel. The guitar I received was set up very nicely right out of the box, and all the woods used were of high quality. I especially liked the super-dark ebony used for the fingerboard and bridge. The F212XL features a high-gloss nitrocellulose finish and a traditional dovetail neck joint.

    Although the size difference is minimal, the Taylor 355 feels sporty compared to the Guild. It’s quite a bit lighter in weight and has a very flat neck (bolted to the body) and action so low it would make many six-strings jealous. The back and sides of the guitar are attractively striped mahogany with a satin polyester finish, and the high-gloss top shows some nice cross-grain. Except for the streaked and relatively light colored ebony used for the bridge and fingerboard, the materials used to build the 355 are not observably different than what goes into models higher up the Taylor hierarchy. I was disappointed, however, with the guitar’s scratchy frets.

    After playing both guitars, I found it hard to pick a clear favorite. The Guild offers an amazingly rich low-end rumble paired with the kind of volume that is sure to make heads turn. The hefty neck makes playing on the upper frets quite a workout, and the guitar’s tone also changes up in that range. The Taylor, on the other hand, sounds extremely even and feels amazingly playable all the way up the neck. Its tone is brighter and a bit quieter than the Guild’s, but its great sustain and quick response give it a character all its own. I would guess that the Guild’s fat tone and killer volume might win over the player who primarily strums chords and accompanies him or herself singing, while fingerstylists might be more drawn to the Taylor because of its playability, response to a soft touch, and more defined tone.

    I applaud Guild for having reissued an old favorite, and Taylor for offering a remarkable value. The Guild F212XL and Taylor 355 offer the quality of materials and craftsmanship that will make either one the last 12-string you’ll ever need.

    Excerpted from Acoustic Guitar magazine, December 1999, No. 84.


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Subject: RE: Cravin' a 12-String
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:01 PM

Try some. See what you like/what works. Guild is right up there, but it ain't up there by itself.


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Subject: RE: Cravin' a 12-String
From: kendall
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:39 PM

Guild makes a fine guitar, so does Taylor and Martin, the problem is they are built so clunky to keep them from falling apart they are heavy as a bucket of hogs livers.
My Apollo is much lighter and the heaviest part is the tuning keys.


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Subject: RE: Cravin' a 12-String
From: GUEST,Jim P
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 11:12 PM

I can't say if my old 70's "lawsuit" Tak has a doweled neck or not -- no way I'm taking it apart to find out! What I can say is that it has a fantastic sound, and plays like butter. I don't like the "jangle" sound you get from some 12s; the old Tak is sweet. I've fairly recently switched back to a 6 string for a while to try and hone my skills on it, but when playing for pure pleasure, I pull out my 12. One thing that I can say about it that I've noticed it does NOT have in common with other 12s I've tried: the thing stays in tune marvelously, even when the weather abruptly changes.


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Subject: RE: Cravin' a 12-String
From: Gurney
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 12:51 AM

I just acquired a J & D brothers (Jack & Danny Brothers) Taiwanese 6-string. They make 12s too, and if my 6 is a fair sample, anyone contemplating a new, economically priced guitar should look at one from this maker. With my 6, build quality, finish, tuning stability and playability are excellent, and tone is very good.

Never heard their 12s, though.


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Subject: RE: Cravin' a 12-String
From: kendall
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 04:47 AM

Anything but a Framus.


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Subject: RE: Cravin' a 12-String
From: Bugsy
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 10:08 PM

So, did you get a 12 string in the end? If so, what did you get?

CHeers

bugsy


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Subject: RE: Cravin' a 12-String
From: Midchuck
Date: 13 Jun 10 - 10:17 AM

Getting a 12-string in the end would be even more painful than a 6.

Incidentally, Kendall is right (I hate it when that happens) about the Appoliono 12s. I've never played a 12 that would beat his, in my subjective opinion.

Peter


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Subject: RE: Cravin' a 12-String
From: Bugsy
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 02:07 AM

Hmm, One has to be so careful what one says and how one says it, doesn't one Middy? Me old Cock Sparra.

CHeers

Bugsy


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Subject: RE: Cravin' a 12-String
From: GUEST,racerx
Date: 16 Aug 10 - 12:51 AM

Is someone looking for a 12 string? 74' f212xl primo condition.

http://reno.craigslist.org/msg/1900727888.html


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