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Ceilidh science confirms wot we all knew

Mr Red 01 Oct 09 - 06:22 AM
Folkiedave 01 Oct 09 - 12:28 PM
GUEST,Mr Red 01 Oct 09 - 01:07 PM
Dave the Gnome 01 Oct 09 - 06:08 PM
curmudgeon 01 Oct 09 - 07:05 PM
Tug the Cox 01 Oct 09 - 08:26 PM
Herga Kitty 01 Oct 09 - 08:28 PM
Splott Man 02 Oct 09 - 04:01 AM
GUEST,Mr Red 02 Oct 09 - 06:37 AM
GUEST,Jim Martin 02 Oct 09 - 07:24 AM
Jim Carroll 02 Oct 09 - 07:41 AM
GUEST 02 Oct 09 - 07:44 AM
GUEST, topsie 02 Oct 09 - 08:10 AM
GUEST,Penny S. (elsewhere) 02 Oct 09 - 08:27 AM
Marje 02 Oct 09 - 01:29 PM
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Subject: Ceilidh science confirms wot we all knew
From: Mr Red
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 06:22 AM

A recent article in the New Scientist reported research about group physical synchronous exersion. It says that by working in synchrony the individuals in the group release more endorphins. They are happier for doing it all at the same time. The example given was a rowing team. But I submit it does define ceilidh dancing in the same way.

Add to that the fact that was given to me by a badminton coach: you can expend 16% more energy exercising to music.

Now those two facts fit exactly in the ceilidh canon.

I dance because I love it, but it is nice to know some of the reasons why.


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Subject: RE: Ceilidh science confirms wot we all knew
From: Folkiedave
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 12:28 PM

And and morris dancing.

Can't think of any other physical synchronous exertion sometimes done to music. :-)


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Subject: RE: Ceilidh science confirms wot we all knew
From: GUEST,Mr Red
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 01:07 PM

line dancing. Old time ballroom sequence dancing. Squares and contra.

It is just that ceilidhs are more tolerant than some at mistakes.


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Subject: RE: Ceilidh science confirms wot we all knew
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 06:08 PM

Unless you attend a Playford!

I do heartily agree with the sentiment of the OP though.

BTW - Why was line dancing invented? To give Morris dancers something to laugh at...


:D (eG)


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Subject: RE: Ceilidh science confirms wot we all knew
From: curmudgeon
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 07:05 PM

"Can't think of any other physical synchronous exertion sometimes done to music. :-) "

Capstan, windlass, pump, halyard, etc?


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Subject: RE: Ceilidh science confirms wot we all knew
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 08:26 PM

Ceilidh....synchronous ???


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Subject: RE: Ceilidh science confirms wot we all knew
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 08:28 PM

I think I got more of a buzz from dancing Northwest with Flowers of May than from dancing at ceilidhs... because we tried harder to be synchronous?

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Ceilidh science confirms wot we all knew
From: Splott Man
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 04:01 AM

I'm with Tug on this one.

Splott Man with his caller's hat on.


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Subject: RE: Ceilidh science confirms wot we all knew
From: GUEST,Mr Red
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 06:37 AM

If the caller is doing his job, it is synchronous.

I well remember going up to the gallery at Chippenham FF and saw a sight I hadn't anticipated.

Looking down on the dances I expected the bobbing heads all at different times, somewhat like the purturbations on a lake with a bit of wind.

What I saw was just that until, all of a sudden, the whole room (well the dancers) moved in a clockwise direction, then moved back. Synchronous is the only word that fits.

You try doing a reel with people who haven't synchronised with you. Start a bit late. They move left when you move right (facing each other you have to both move to your own right) well I have done it and it is not synchrony


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Subject: RE: Ceilidh science confirms wot we all knew
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 07:24 AM

"Can't think of any other physical synchronous exertion sometimes done to music. :-) - can't remeber what it's called, when Hebridean women used to sing while they were beating or rolling cloth.


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Subject: RE: Ceilidh science confirms wot we all knew
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 07:41 AM

"were beating or rolling cloth."
Hi Jim
It's called 'waulking' - some nice footage of it on the Phil Cunningham programme last week.
Jim Carroll
PS,
Did you know we have booked Ultan (The Men Who Built Britain) Cowley for the first OKS talk on Friday week?


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Subject: RE: Ceilidh science confirms wot we all knew
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 07:44 AM

LOL

Well, I take the intended point although I wouldn't seek to limit it to ceilidh dancing.

The buzz from ceilidh dancing is IMO quite different from that from Morris (in its various forms) and country/folk/Playford, for instance.

At a "typical" ceilidh the formation is more a means to an end. You need the formation to do the dance, but nobody really bothers too much about how it looks from the stage or how synchronised people actually are. Most people are there to have fun flinging themselves around, more or less to music. (An event only for experienced dancers might differ...) Getting it wrong is often as much fun as getting it right.

With Morris and Playford, getting it right is part of the dance. The dancers know when the dance is going well, when everyone is in time with each other (and the music!) and there is a very definite kick when everyone stops together, in the right place and at the right time.

Dunno about sequence and line dancing. Likely to remain that way...

Malcolm


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Subject: RE: Ceilidh science confirms wot we all knew
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 08:10 AM

Dressage?
Armies marching to military bands?
That thing they do at the Royal Tournament pulling gun carriages?


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Subject: RE: Ceilidh science confirms wot we all knew
From: GUEST,Penny S. (elsewhere)
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 08:27 AM

That would also explain the attraction for certain regimes of mass gymnastics. Make them feel good and they won't notice the monsters up on the dais are monsters.

Penny


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Subject: RE: Ceilidh science confirms wot we all knew
From: Marje
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 01:29 PM

I remember some long-ago TV programme about some aspects of social anthropology touching on this. They said, I think, that dancing was important for social bonding because it entailed synchronised moving to music, and also because, in many cases, it also involves physical contact between the dancers.

In many societies, when people are elated and celebrating, (e.g they've just heard some great news), their spontaneous reaction will be to join hands and dance in a ring, clockwise, possibly singing or chanting something together. Ceilidh dancing includes some moves that are quite primal and instinctive for humans - and many, it has to be said, which are not quite instinctive enough for some of us :-)

Marje


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