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Mudcatter Interviews?

MegW 07 Oct 09 - 10:06 AM
GUEST,Mr Red 07 Oct 09 - 10:10 AM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 07 Oct 09 - 10:11 AM
MMario 07 Oct 09 - 10:24 AM
GUEST,Mr Red 07 Oct 09 - 10:36 AM
olddude 07 Oct 09 - 10:40 AM
Rapparee 07 Oct 09 - 10:44 AM
olddude 07 Oct 09 - 10:52 AM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 07 Oct 09 - 10:58 AM
katlaughing 07 Oct 09 - 10:59 AM
Jeri 07 Oct 09 - 11:49 AM
wysiwyg 07 Oct 09 - 12:18 PM
alex s 07 Oct 09 - 12:22 PM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 07 Oct 09 - 12:44 PM
GUEST,Gorgeous Gary 07 Oct 09 - 12:59 PM
GUEST 07 Oct 09 - 01:49 PM
MegW 07 Oct 09 - 04:31 PM
Amos 07 Oct 09 - 04:42 PM
Amos 07 Oct 09 - 04:47 PM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 07 Oct 09 - 04:48 PM
Joe Offer 07 Oct 09 - 10:31 PM
katlaughing 07 Oct 09 - 11:49 PM
Peace 07 Oct 09 - 11:52 PM
MGM·Lion 09 Oct 09 - 04:51 AM
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Subject: Mudcatter Interviews?
From: MegW
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 10:06 AM

Hi everyone! I'm working on a somewhat overdue Masters thesis for Tufts University about Mudcat and the importance and validity of the Internet in oral tradition. I'd really like to get some interviews with a few Mudcat users over the next couple of weeks. Please let me know if you'd be willing!

If you're based in Boston and you'd like to meet in person, I can travel anywhere that's accessible by the MBTA. Otherwise, we can investigate Skype or instant messaging. For anyone who would like to get in touch with me directly, please email me at mewickham@gmail.com.

Thanks!


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Subject: RE: Mudcatter Interviews?
From: GUEST,Mr Red
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 10:10 AM

Can't you restrict your comments to certain people in the chat room here? Or is it more a case of excluding people? which could be made to work but not as easily.

Any Joe Clones with opinions on this? It would be easier to use the 'Cat in some ways.
    This is a fine idea, exactly what Mudcat was designed for. Why would there be reason to complain about a project like this, or to hide it in the chat room?
    -Joe Offer, the original (not a clone)-
    joe@mudcat.org


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Subject: RE: Mudcatter Interviews?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 10:11 AM

Mudcat *specifically*, or *internet* more generally - including Mudcat?

Don't forget YouTube, there's a real virtual folk community there if anywhere - and most pertinent in respect of any modern 'oral tradition'.


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Subject: RE: Mudcatter Interviews?
From: MMario
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 10:24 AM

PM's would be usuable for this


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Subject: RE: Mudcatter Interviews?
From: GUEST,Mr Red
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 10:36 AM

MMario - of course. Keep it Simple.

PM's are pretty immediate, probably as fast as the chat room and restricted to just the two people.


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Subject: RE: Mudcatter Interviews?
From: olddude
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 10:40 AM

I would think you may want to consider something like this. Talk to the great masters of mudcat for their take. Talk with the listeners who love folk and blues, talk to the songwriters and performers how they are influenced by mudcat. I think you would get a great cross section

good luck


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Subject: RE: Mudcatter Interviews?
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 10:44 AM

Good -- that'd leave me out of it.


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Subject: RE: Mudcatter Interviews?
From: olddude
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 10:52 AM

No No Rap, I said performers and you are great ... nope ... you are there. I am left out my friend ... I am just a dad who does songs and no way for me won't do it... you perform a lot , better buck up my friend and answer the call


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Subject: RE: Mudcatter Interviews?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 10:58 AM

You say: 'Mudcat and *the importance and validity of the Internet in oral tradition.*'

Be very interesting to hear a bit of an expansion on this...?


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Subject: RE: Mudcatter Interviews?
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 10:59 AM

PMs would be okay, but chat would be "live" though I don't think there is a way to preserve what is said for later reference/refresh of memory.

I would say to be sure you get a cross section based on length of time at Mudcat in addition to what olddude has suggested.

Some of us probably have what amount to free long distance so could initiate a call to you if that would work for you. PMs or email with your telephone number in that case.

Sounds interesting!

kat


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Subject: RE: Mudcatter Interviews?
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 11:49 AM

You can have a private chat room. You can copy and save the chat in a text file before you close it.

The problem is that chat and IMs aren't conducive to anything but Twitterish blurts. I'd think you'd want more complete answers to questions. PMs (or e-mails) are probable better because they allow the respondent to provide more complete answers that allow some thinking.


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Subject: RE: Mudcatter Interviews?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 12:18 PM

She made a request to fit her own process. Typical of Mudcat, everyone has an opinion how she should go about it. Boundaries, folks. If you have time, participate. If not, don't. :~)

Now yell at me for MY boundary infraction. That's Mudcat, too! :~)

~S~


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Subject: RE: Mudcatter Interviews?
From: alex s
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 12:22 PM

You can PM me if you'd like to


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Subject: RE: Mudcatter Interviews?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 12:44 PM

Further to the thesis itself, it could make a jolly interesting thread if the OP was inclined to throw it to the board..


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Subject: RE: Mudcatter Interviews?
From: GUEST,Gorgeous Gary
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 12:59 PM

Meg,

I would be interested. Granted, I'm not Skype-capable, and I don't do IM, but there are other ways to skin that cat. There is one IRC chat I hang out on, easy enough to set up a private chat through there.

If you wanted to expand past Mudcat, I'm sure that MASSFILC, the Boston-area science-fiction filk music club, would love to weigh in on the topic.

-- Gary


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Subject: RE: Mudcatter Interviews?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 01:49 PM

What are three of the published reference works you will be using for your thesis background literature? Posting it - may help determine the level of participation and the quality of that person's background.

Some here are full opinions - but have the credibility of a painted bird plucking strings in a hen house. Other's could pave the rest of your academic career with a golden bough.

Name of your supervisor professor at Tufts?

sign your postings, gargoyle
mod


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Subject: RE: Mudcatter Interviews?
From: MegW
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 04:31 PM

Hi all. Thanks for the suggestions on clarification - I was in a rush this morning and didn't word things as well as I should have.

My thesis is taking an ethnomusicological approach to the Internet and the value of an active, user-influenced database to the pedagogy of the English-speaking folk music tradition. Specifically, my purpose is to display that the teacher-to-student and creative community models of oral tradition have translated to a viable form on the Internet. I am using Mudcat as my exemplary website, since it's the one I'm most familiar with (I've been lurking here since roughly 2003!) and I personally believe DigiTrad and the forum to be very important resources.

I ask for spoken interviews because of the practices of the discipline, which has favored the idea that "fieldwork" equals traveling to remote locations and speaking with people in their native languages. Part of my argument for the thesis is that the Internet is a viable site for ethnomusicological study; recorded interviews are somewhat widely regarded as What Makes Fieldwork, therefore I want to appease any concerns my professors have about traditional methodology. I am, however, more than willing to exchange emails or instant message conversations with anyone who wishes to!

For reference, my primary advisor at Tufts is David Locke, an expert on Ghanaian drumming traditions. My secondary advisor is Joseph Auner, a musicologist who studies the influence of new technologies on musical evolution. I am also working with Rabbi Jeffrey Summit, who specializes in Jewish oral traditions and the relationship of music to promoting economy in rural Africa.


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Subject: RE: Mudcatter Interviews?
From: Amos
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 04:42 PM

Trawling the past threads will bring up for you more testimonial and ethnic expertise than you will be able to use. There are rich research threads and spiritual threads and debates on the dynamics of ethnomusicology threads and threads on the soul of singing and the techniquees used in performing in every sort of situation.

You might enjoy starting with the series of threads entitled "Why We Sing" and from there learning a bit more about the lives and posting histories of those posting here--people like Rick Fielding, Frank Hamilton, and Kytrad as well as scores of lesser lights. There are millions of words of live communication on your topic here if you know how to find them. PM me if I can be of assistance.


A


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Subject: RE: Mudcatter Interviews?
From: Amos
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 04:47 PM

First WHY WE SING thread.


A


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Subject: RE: Mudcatter Interviews?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 04:48 PM

Fascinating stuff MegW.
For my own part (as an approximately "younger" folk enthusiast), the internet has been utterly invaluable - I'd have got precisely no-where without it.

Mudcat was an important part of the online launchpad and has led me many places. The resources here are excellent for 'data' rather than the more 'oral' component you initialy cited. On that however, there is much else out there also, including communities on YouTube which offer a real contemporary version of a living "oral tradition"..


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Subject: RE: Mudcatter Interviews?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 10:31 PM

I was going to say the Internet destroys oral tradition, but maybe just the opposite is true. The print and recorded media stopped the folk process because they limited the transmission of songs - only those who got published could transmit and affect the life of songs.
The Internet, on the other hand, may be able to revive the folk process, since everyone can publish words, video, and sound on the Internet for the world to hear.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcatter Interviews?
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 11:49 PM

The resources here are excellent for 'data' rather than the more 'oral' component you initialy cited.

I am not a scholar, but I am not sure I agree on that as I've learned so much "at the virtual knee" of such folks as Art Thieme, Kytrad (Jean Ritchie,) Sandy & Caroline Paton and many others...their versions of songs and stories I may have known a different way and/or not have known at all, so their "oral" tradition has been passed down through my own filters to my grandson, who I am sure will continue the process. Actually, he already does by singing his version of songs he's heard on Mudcat CDs, etc. All of the above is, to me, much more than "data." And, that's almost all online or via electronic media.

The other way Mudcat has facilitated the oral tradition is by the gradual building up of members getting together to share in the 3D world. From annap's first time inviting what amounted to perfect strangers to her home with all of us warning her to be careful, to Bill & Allan's Excellent Adventure travelling around the USA to see a lot of us, to all of the UK members who now meet and the way each year more and more get together at the Getaway...Mudcat was their first connection with one another...serving the oral trad in the digi. age, so to speak.:-)


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Subject: RE: Mudcatter Interviews?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 11:52 PM

Well said, Kat. Same happened in Canada (to a lesser extent of course).


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Subject: RE: Mudcatter Interviews?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 04:51 AM

MegW - best of fortune in this fascinating research. I have sent you a PM with a ref to one of my posts which you might find useful.

Michael Grosvenor Myer


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