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'Make and Break' or 'One Lunger'? as percussion

Beer 19 Oct 09 - 09:30 PM
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Beer 19 Oct 09 - 11:10 PM
GUEST,DonMeixner 20 Oct 09 - 12:21 AM
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Subject: Is This a Make and Break or a One Lunger
From: Beer
Date: 19 Oct 09 - 09:30 PM

Wait for the video to start in the top right hand corner. Great thinking on these boys part. The title above referees to the single-cylinder, two-cycle marine engine that was a staple for fishermen and pleasure boaters.
Beer (adrien)



http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-CA&vid=cb754eb9-9d56-4bb7-a99c-78d908e0e271


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Subject: RE: Is This a Make and Break or a One Lunger
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 19 Oct 09 - 10:23 PM

Acadia Make and Break


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Subject: RE: Is This a Make and Break or a One Lunger
From: Beer
Date: 19 Oct 09 - 10:37 PM

I can still here Dad starting it up and going out to sea.
ad.


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Subject: RE: Is This a Make and Break or a One Lunger
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 19 Oct 09 - 10:50 PM

Check this one out Adrien. :-}

One Lunger


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Subject: RE: Is This a Make and Break or a One Lunger
From: Beer
Date: 19 Oct 09 - 11:10 PM

Will do tomorrow a.m.
YouTube is down for maintenance.


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Subject: RE: Is This a Make and Break or a One Lunger
From: GUEST,DonMeixner
Date: 20 Oct 09 - 12:21 AM

One Lung = One Piston and one cylinder

Make and break because of the electronics. As the mag spins behind the flywheel the contacts come around and makes a circuit when the correct contacts meet. Then as it turns past the contact breaks. The Make is timed to fire the spark plug at the correct point in compression on the piston, just after it as reached top dead center on the crank shafts rotation.

At least this is how the Universal worked.

Don


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Subject: RE: Is This a Make and Break or a One Lunger
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 20 Oct 09 - 09:02 AM

In Stan Rogers "Make And Break Harbour" the one-lunger is presented as an icon of the olden days of inshore fishing, so I was astonished to come across this lyric (to the tune of "Jack Hinks" I thinks) which portrays the make-and-break engine as a new-fangled gimmick:

Ye fishermen free that go forth on the sea,
With engines of various makes;
This old jump-spark of mine I will take every time,
You can keep all your new makes-and-breaks.

From a song called The Six Horse-Power Coaker.

"Coaker" presumably refers to Sir William Ford Coaker, head of the Fishermen's Protective Union. Can anyone enlighten me as to why the engine got Sir William's name? Because both engine and man were small, loud, and hard-working? Because they were sold through the Fishermen's Union co-op stores? Or what?


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Subject: RE: Is This a Make and Break or a One Lunger
From: Beer
Date: 20 Oct 09 - 04:03 PM

Very interesting Bob. Wish I had the answer.
Ad


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Subject: RE: Is This a Make and Break or a One Lunger
From: GUEST,DonMeixner
Date: 20 Oct 09 - 05:28 PM

Coaker engine: a type of engine used in fishing boats and named after Sir William Coaker, founder of the Fishermen's Protective Union.

Found this definition at an on line dictionary of fishing boat terms.

Don


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Subject: RE: Is This a Make and Break or a One Lunger
From: GUEST,DonMeixner
Date: 20 Oct 09 - 05:29 PM

http://www.fisheriesheritage.ca/glossary.asp

Sorry forgot this bit.

Don


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Subject: RE: Is This a Make and Break or a One Lunger
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Oct 09 - 06:02 PM

Ever un into one of these. They were fitted in canal boats in the UK. Originally from Sweden.

JM


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Subject: RE: Is This a Make and Break or a One Lunger
From: Beer
Date: 21 Oct 09 - 09:05 AM

A note this morning from my brother in law in Nova Scotia.

Good morning Adrien,

Well mentioning the One Lunger is like looking back into my past.   Dad had an Acadian 1 cylinder, I think it was a 4 horsepower and I got to use it quite often.



It was unique;

1.      it could be submerged in water (due to overnight rains or a boat that leaked and filled half full of water overnight), bail the boat out, dry off the engine connect the batteries and the coil, prime it and turn the crank until it started;

2.      the fuel was gravity fed from a tank usually mounted under the bow cover or in the stern cover;

3.      the batteries were dry cells the size of a large can of beer (4 in series to make 6 volts) and packaged in a wooden box, and were connected to the coil with a switch;

4.      the coil was in a wooden box 4x4x4 cubed with external terminals;

5.      the coil and batteries had to be kept dry so compartment was built beneath the bow cover for storage and if the boat wasn't used on a daily basis then the were removed to the boatshed or taken home (it avoided the boys from going for a midnight sail after frequenting the local bootlegger; and

6.      the motor could run forward or backward; while going forward, turn the switch off , advance the spark; when the motor reached its last revolution; turn the switch on so that it would fire before top dead centre; sending the piston back down and you were going in reverse ( no transmission needed).



Some fellow has one on the other side of the lake and we sometimes hear it when he takes it out for a spin. In this community they were called 'pick-a- puck", (Hea, I hear a pick-a-puck).



Hope you get as much enjoyment out of reading this as I had it typing it and re-living the "make and break years" .



I guess this thread should have been placed below the line as no one has mentioned anything about the tune that was player on You/Tube.
Adrien


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Subject: RE: Is This a Make and Break or a One Lunger
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 21 Oct 09 - 12:06 PM

The picture isn't clear enough to be certain, but the tractor has the sound of the "traditional" John Deere single cylinder tractors popular in the US for several decades.

Deere tractors were commonly called "Johnny Pops" from the distinctive sound, and in some parts all John Deere tractors inherited the name even after multi-cylinder (and "higher rpm") models became more common - although it's begun to fade out among the corporate farmers of the current time.

John


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Subject: RE: Is This a Make and Break or a One Lunger
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Oct 09 - 01:41 PM

The nearest I ever came across, not being a fisherman or ever owning a boat was the single cyliner Bolider diesel used to power narrow boats on some English canals. Gara and Vera Aspey changed an Ian Woods song so the focus was the Bolinder and gave an accompanting story, as is Gary's want. The engine was started by playing a blowlamp on the cylinder head and then manualy turning the external flywheel. As it only went between 1 and 4 mph the throttle was very primitive and the diesel feed was simply increased with an inline valve. To go in reverse you disconnected the flywheel with an on/off clutch, waited for it to stop turning and then swung it in the opposite direction. It made a very distinctive throb, to which the song is timed!

The song.


Cheers

DeG


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Subject: RE: Is This a Make and Break or a One Lunger
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 21 Oct 09 - 02:31 PM

Googling GASOLINE METRONOME turns up several other sites running versions of the same video as in Beer's initial post. Odd that no one has talked about playing along with serendipitous drum machines. One is reminded of Steve Goodman's phrase, "the rhythm of the rail" in "City of New Orleans" or "the clicketly clack of the railroad track" in Hank Snow's "Moving On".


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Subject: RE: Is This a Make and Break or a One Lunger
From: EBarnacle
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 10:35 AM

The Bolinder was available at least into the 70's according to the Whole Earth Catalog.

The song Dave refers to can be sung to the same metre as Gordon's "6 hp Coaker."


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Subject: RE: Is This a Make and Break or a One Lunger
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 09:45 AM

I remember an old LP from the 1960s of canal boat songs, various artists.
There was a track, The Single Bollinder, on it but i can't remember either the lyrics or the tune

Another track made a considerable impression on a 16 year old, Boaty, boaty spit in the cut and wipe your nose on a mop-stick. I presume the lyrics had been cleaned up.


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Subject: RE: Is This a Make and Break or a One Lunger
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 10:22 AM

This year I attended a Fourth-of-July parade in Webster, Wisconsin, that included some antique farm tractors. The old farmer sitting next to me identified one of them as a "one-lunger." It was the first time I had heard the term. I hadn't known there was such a thing.

I think that line "clickety-clack of the railroad track" comes from ONE MORE RIDE written by Bob Nolan—a brilliant song with lots of internal rhyme.


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Subject: RE: Is This a Make and Break or a One Lunger
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 10:34 AM

Too bad this discussion has focused on the engine rather than the music. I'd say this thread belongs in the music section. I think the idea of playing along with an engine providing "serendipitous percussion" is brilliant.

In fact, there is a bar and resort near Webster, WI that has a country-music jam every weekend in summer: Log Cabin Hollow. They sponsored a float in the very same parade I mentioned earlier, featuring some of their regular jammers. I'm going to suggest they team up with the tractor next year!

------------Yep - the engine (never mind the thread...) has more music in it than some "Music threads"! JoeClone---------


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Subject: RE: Is This a 'Make and Break' or a 'One Lunger'?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 12:16 PM

I found this video at YouTube, which is the same as the one Beer/Adrien originally posted except that it's longer and the image is sharper. After SWEET GEORGIA BROWN they play BYE BYE BLUES.

If I'm not mistaken, here are the same musicians playing different tunes in a different scene with a different tractor: Olle Hemmingsson's Trio. I think these guys are Swedes. The caption is Swedish: "Musik där en traktormotor står för takten." = "Music in which a tractor engine accounts for the rate."

However, the first video is captioned "Sweet Georgia Brown med traktorkomp." Google tells me that "med traktorkomp" is Norwegian for "complete with tractor." Go figure.


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Subject: RE: 'Make and Break' or 'One Lunger'? as percussion
From: Leadfingers
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 12:41 PM

From: GUEST
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 09:45 AM - I still sing The Single Bollinder , a rewrite of that North East Miners song 'Little Chance ' I'd love to know who actually did the rewrite , but I COULD do an MP3 of it if anyone is interested


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