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gnu 11 Nov 09 - 01:29 PM
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C. Ham 11 Nov 09 - 02:15 PM
GUEST,Helen Shapiro 11 Nov 09 - 02:22 PM
Little Hawk 11 Nov 09 - 03:16 PM
gnu 11 Nov 09 - 03:54 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 11 Nov 09 - 04:10 PM
gnu 11 Nov 09 - 04:14 PM
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gnu 11 Nov 09 - 04:39 PM
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gnu 11 Nov 09 - 04:52 PM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 11 Nov 09 - 04:53 PM
gnu 11 Nov 09 - 04:57 PM
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Subject: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: gnu
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 01:29 PM

I am LIVID!!!

Here's a pic and the blurb.

"Gov. Gen. Michaelle Jean, titular commander-in-chief of the Canadian Forces, also donned a military uniform in a rare display as she walked beside the prince and laid a wreath on behalf of the Queen."

"... a rare display... "???? WTF???? Rare? I have a LOT more words for it than that. Some fookin nerve, the likes a that ignorant, no mind... grrrr... what's her rank? SAMAFC? Stunned As Me Arse First Class? ooooooo... Did youse see the looks on the faces as she got out of the vehicle?

"titular"... yeah, she's, she some kinda TIT fer sure... ooo me nerves...


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 02:07 PM

In representing of The Queen she holds the highest rank in the Canadian armed forces, gnu. That give her the right to wear the uniform. Should she have done so is another matter though that is much more subjective.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: C. Ham
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 02:15 PM

She was in uniform when she visited the troops in Afghanistan.

Speaking as a Canadian, I think Michaelle Jean does us proud as Governor-General.

Dump the British monarchy for a Canadian head of state, says I.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: GUEST,Helen Shapiro
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 02:22 PM

Don't you like having a loonie on both sides of your buck?


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 03:16 PM

I do. ;-)

I'm a bit of a cynic about these Remembrance Day ceremonies, and here's why.   While I understand that there is good reason to honor those who have served and those who have fallen in past wars, I think that the real underlying and primary reason governments do such ceremonials is to get people used to the idea that war is "honorable", to glorify the military, and to stir up patriotic fervor in the subconscious that can be used to convince yet another generation of young people to go forth willingly to some other foreign land, kill, and be killed...usually in some fiasco that is absolutely NOT in their own real interests.

Like Afghanistan, for example.

I think it's as much a propaganda exercise as it is a memorial.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: gnu
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 03:54 PM

She had no right to wear that uniform. I don't give two figs from Tuesday what titles she holds. If she was honoury as representing a specific unit, okay, I can understand that, but she doesn't. I find it in very poor taste. Her lack of good judgement in this regard is a slap to the faces of the fallen and those who have suffered, in war or at home.

LH.... I understand what you are saying. But, my Dad, Mum, bro, Uncles Chic, Reg, Gerry, Bill, and Aunts Lillian, Esther, Mary, and Rose and their wives and husbands and daughters and sons would kick your ass for saying that. Simply because even though they might agree with you on the one hand, they will never be able to forget.

Lest we forget.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 04:10 PM

Our governor general, as colonel in chief of three regiments, and honorary chief of the armed forces, has the right to uniforms.

She also represents all Canadians in and out of uniform, including those of both sexes serving in the armed forces, at home and in Afghanistan.

Keep your f---ing insults to yourself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: gnu
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 04:14 PM

Not likely, Q. She insulted everyone who served.

She never served... that's the deal, buddy boy.

Take your arrogant ass, and hers, and shove it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 04:32 PM

personally I couldn't give a rat's ass what she wore. Lets face it she looks good in whatever she wears.

Lest we forget

I was raised to understand that November 11th (Remembrance Day) was a day to hope for everlasting peace ... to remember (not only my family members), but also all others, from all countries who sacrificed their lives in war ... to remember their loss is to realize the meaning of peace.

Unfortuantely to many, it is in a way to glorify the dead in the name of war.

peace

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: gnu
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 04:39 PM

Again, sIx, I agree, but how can this glorification be stopped? The vets want same, as we all would.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: artbrooks
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 04:43 PM

Well, the concept of "Colonel-in-Chief" is peculiar (or do I mean particular?) to the members of the British Commonwealth, so please excuse me if a USAian sticks his oar in. Each of the regiments has one, who may or may not have served in the military.   Hey, gnu...isn't Princess Anne Colonel-in-Chief of the Royal Newfies?   If she has the title, I'd guess that the right to wear the uniform comes along. Now, if she was wearing decorations, that would be another story.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 04:50 PM

The glorification .... I don't know how it can be stopped .... all I can say is we do not forget those who gave their lives (through right or wrong) and we keep up the believe in peace.

The poppy to me is a sacred symbol of peace and hope. That's what it should be, and that's what this day is all about. I'm sure most vets would agree.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: gnu
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 04:52 PM

You got any pics of Anne presiding over Remembrance Day ceremonies in uniform, Art?


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 04:53 PM

It's not a personal matter - it's just an 'office', nothing but a figurehead *symbolically* representing others.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: gnu
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 04:57 PM

No Canuck GG that did not serve has ever had the stupidity to wear a uniform on this day.

It is NOT okay. It is a fucking insult. Plain and simple.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: gnu
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 05:01 PM

Right... I have said my piece... I am gone... gnightgnu.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 05:03 PM

good nite gnu

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: bobad
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 05:06 PM

From Wikipedia:

Uniform of the Commander-in-Chief

As commander in chief, the Governor General can either wear dress or formal uniforms.

The dress uniform is often chosen by the Governor General. Most Governor Generals have opted to wear the Vice-Regal formal dress during military or formal events. Some occasions the Governor General has worn a regular suit.

The current Governor General Michaëlle Jean has worn a partial formal dress uniform. It consisted of a black jacket and pants with:

    * Sleeve braids consist of crowned lions holding a red maple leaf in its paw alternating with gold leaves
    * gold aiguillettes and shoulder cords
    * Epaulets with a crowned lion holding a red maple leaf in its paw


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 05:16 PM

"Lest we forget"

Trust me....I will never forget! And that's why I'm opposed to schooling every succeeding generation in notions such as the glory of war...and the oft-repeated (and seldom questioned) phrase "they died for our freedom". No they didn't. They died because they got caught up as pawns in the game of competing empires and their luck ran out on some battlefield.

My point being, the soldiers on the other side of these many wars were being told exactly the same sort of idealistic stuff. Don't you think that German soldiers were told by their government that they were fighting for the "freedom" of the German people? They were told just that, and most of them believed it too. Muslim terrorists believe that they are fighting for the freedom of their people also. It's a pretty universal idea among young people who enlist in a war. They virtually all believe they are defending their own people's freedom and their own way of life.

But only the winners get to celebrate and perpetuate that concept over and over in public ceremonies when the war finally ends.

As for the Governor General, I don't care whether she wears a uniform or not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 05:56 PM

Is it governors general, or govenor generals....when you refer to more than one?


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: DougR
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 06:00 PM

Uh a slight bit of cynicism, eh L.H.? The day is intended to remember and honor those who serve but you prefer seeing it as a celebration of war? I think that's a bit of a stretch.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 06:16 PM

The official uniform of the governor general of Canada has not been worn for some time; it is replete with epaulets, and collar and cuffs of red with silver sphagetti. Simpler uniforms, especially for the women holding the office, have become the norm.
In the pre-WW2 era, the uniformincluded the tricorn hat, and much red color, like the formal British colonial officers' uniforms.

People not familiar with the perogatives and customs associated with the Queen's representative in Canada, the "acting" head of state, and the history of the office, should keep their yaps shut.

Criticism of the office and its purpose in this day and age is legitimate, since it has been a position without power for a very long time. It is purely ceremonial at this time, and perhaps is an unnecessary expense, but personal denigration of the person holding the office is wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 06:21 PM

It's not a case of "either or", Doug. I think it's for both those purposes. I applaud the fomer purpose, but I am troubled by the latter. So I have conflicted feelings about it, and because of those conflicted feelings, I don't attend the ceremonies. My Father served in the war, and he never attended those ceremonies either after the war was over. He did not particularly want to dwell on that aspect of the past. He said to me that the war (WWII) was the biggest waste of human potential and material things that he ever saw in his life. At the same time, he was a willing volunteer who was very intent on defeating the Nazis. He detested them and he fought hard against them.

But he also detested the war (and the military) in a general sense. That is, he saw no good reason for fighting in any further wars once that one was done with.

He met plenty of Germans after the war and they seem to have had experiences rather similar to his own...except, of course, their side lost. That's an experience that shocks a nation very deeply. If you think we can't forget (and we can't)...you're only beginning to grasp how much they can't forget either.

Americans have never had the experience of being invaded, conquered, occupied, and utterly devastated in a war. Nor have the British, not since 1066. That is one of the reasons the USA and the UK are so easily inclined to invade and occupy other countries....they don't fully understand the cost.

Canada's been lucky that way too...


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 06:25 PM

governors general


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 07:44 PM

Sandy is correct.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: sian, west wales
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 04:31 AM

Princess Anne does - usually? always? - wear her uniform at the Cenotaph ceremonies.

sian


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: bobad
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 08:13 AM

From the Ottawa Citizen:

Governor General Michaëlle Jean surprised many observers Wednesday by wearing a military uniform to the national Remembrance Day ceremony for the first time during her term in office.

Although the Governor General is the commanderin-chief of the Canadian Forces, she has worn civilian clothes at four previous Remembrance Day ceremonies.

A spokeswoman for the Governor General said Jean has decided to wear a uniform at important military events until the end of her term.

"She thought it would be a great way to pay tribute to the Canadian Forces," said Marthe Blouin. "Seeing how many lives we've lost in Afghanistan, she thought it was certainly a good moment to pay tribute in wearing the uniform."

Jean wore the green army dress uniform on Wednesday.

Charles, Prince of Wales was also in uniform as a lieutenant-general in the Canadian Forces. Charles holds the position of vice-admiral and lieutenant-general in all three services of the Canadian Forces. He is also colonel-inchief of seven Canadian Forces regiments.

Blouin said it's the third time this year that the Governor General has worn a Canadian military uniform to an event. In June, she wore a naval uniform for the consecration of the Maritime Command Queen's Colour; Jean also donned a combat uniform in September when she visited Afghanistan.

Many of Jean's predecessors, Blouin noted, have worn a military uniform.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: CET
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 12:58 PM

Gnu has said his piece and, as usual when it comes to the Governor General, it was not worth saying. It was just another of his obscene, factually incorrect and personally insulting diatribes.

There is ample precedent for the GG to wear a military uniform. The occasion was appropriate and I took it in the spirit in which it was intended, as an act of respect for the men and women in the Canadian Forces. My only reaction when I saw the paper this morning was that somebody had evidently showed her how to wear a beret properly.

I remember Gnu using the same level of invective with respect to the former GG, Adrienne Clarkson. He was wrong there too. The veterans I was marching with on 11 November (i.e. men who had actually "done the business", unlike Gnu) had a great deal of affection for her.

So Gnu, do you think you're more qualified than me to express an opinion about the appropriate use of military uniform? Are you going to swear at me too?


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: gnu
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 01:13 PM

Just got an email and a PM....

I was way out of line. I was incorrect. I apologize to each and everyone of you.

And, yes, I know my apologgy is just as useless as I am for my stupidity, ignorance and vile language.

(Thanks for the email and PM.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 01:17 PM

I agree with Q & CET, if you don't understand the symbolic function of performing a ceremonial office, better to leave it to those who DO, to decide whether or not it is appropriate for any particular party to fulfill that public duty, or not.

I'm not a Royalist myself, but I respect the feelings of those for whom certain long-standing traditions have a deep meaning, purpose and importance. Especially those (and the families of those) whose lives have been lost in service to a greater collective cause.

I also sense a degree of 'She's just a Woman, so she shouldn't do that!' in Gnu's post. To which I'd be inclined to refer him to any amount of English Queens, who would take exception to that assumption with a summary "Off with his head" ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 01:18 PM

Bugger, I posted that, and now there's been a total retraction!
No flame war then.. ;-)
Gnu, sorry I posted after you, but didn't see your last.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: gnu
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 01:36 PM

No worries. You spoke the truth. I disagree with it, but I can see how it might come to mind.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: GUEST,jts
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 02:46 PM

When I was taught about Rememberance Day in grade school it was in the context of the poems "In Flanders Fields" and the one about the mustard gas attack. There was no glorification of war, only gratitude and appreciation or the terror and sacrifice of the soldiers. In Newfoundland part of the discussion was also about the sacrifice of the Royal Newfoundland Regiment as cannon fodder by English officers.

Little Hawk my own experience was the exact opposite of what you hear.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 04:34 PM

Princess Anne From Wikipedia:
"In 2002, she became the first non-reigning woman to attend a funeral in uniform when she wore that of the Royal Navy at the funeral of her grandmother, the Queen Mother."


Honorary military appointments

The Princess Royal on the balcony of Buckingham Palace and in uniform, far right.
The Princess Royal passes behind the Princess Anne Banner at a parade for the 75th anniversary of the Royal Australian Corps of Signals, 5 July 2000.As with other senior royals, Princess Anne holds a number of honorary appointments in the armed forces of several Commonwealth realms. In 2002, she became the first non-reigning woman to attend a funeral in uniform when she wore that of the Royal Navy at the funeral of her grandmother, the Queen Mother.

Anne is of the following regiments, corps, and branches:

Australia
Colonel-in-Chief of the Royal Australian Corps of Signals
Canada
Colonel-in-Chief of the Grey and Simcoe Foresters
Colonel-in-Chief of the 8th Canadian Hussars (Princess Louise's)
Colonel-in-Chief of the Communications and Electronics Branch
Colonel-in-Chief of the Canadian Forces Medical Service[20]
Colonel-in-Chief of the Royal Regina Rifles[21]
Colonel-in-Chief of the Royal Newfoundland Regiment
New Zealand
Colonel-in-Chief of the Royal New Zealand Corps of Signals
Colonel-in-Chief of the Royal New Zealand Army Nursing Corps
United Kingdom
Colonel-in-Chief of the King's Royal Hussars
Colonel-in-Chief of the Worcestershire and Sherwood Foresters Regiment (29/45 Foot)
Colonel-in-Chief of the Royal Corps of Signals
Colonel-in-Chief of the Royal Logistic Corps
Colonel-in-Chief the Royal Army Veterinary Corps
Colonel of the the Blues and Royals
Royal Colonel of the Royal Scots Borderers, 1st Battalion Royal Regiment of Scotland
Royal Colonel of the 52nd Lowland Regiment, 6th Battalion Royal Regiment of Scotland
Royal Honorary Colonel of the University of London OTC
Commandant-in-Chief of the First Aid Nursing Yeomanry (Princess Royal's Volunteer Corps)
Honorary Air Commodore of RAF Lyneham
Honorary Air Commodore of the University of London Air Squadron
Rear Admiral and Chief Commandant for women of the Royal Navy
Commodore-in-Chief of HMNB Portsmouth


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 05:45 PM

A friend of mine used to work there and explained to me how the office works.
The GG office has an ample band of people who ensure that proper protocol is followed...in every sense. Very little is not planned, and done so far in advance.
BTW, I thought of the late Romeo Leblanc when first reading this post.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 05:58 PM

Gnu, that was gracious. Wish I could say as much about myself when I find myself in the wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 07:05 PM

Okay, Jack.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: CET
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 07:10 PM

Gnu, now you've made me feel bad about my rather fierce reaction. Your apology was the act of a gentleman.

Edmund


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: GUEST,Rvguy
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 08:01 PM

I think she is really Johnny Mathis! I haven't seen him for years.......


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: gnu
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 08:10 PM

Edmund. No. Your post was right on the money. I am the ONLY one that should feel bad about any of it... it was an ill thread that only blew bad wind from the start. My bad. I have no excuse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: GUEST,jts
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 01:30 PM

I've been biting my tongue on this but I can stand it no more. In the picture Gnu posted, The governor General and the Prince of Wales are wearing the same uniform. I happen to think that Chuck the philandering Tampon is much more a disgrace to the uniform than Michelle Jean.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: CET
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 09:22 PM

The Prince of Wales has had his problems over the course of his life (which by the way includes earning the right to wear uniform in all three services), but he probably knows the Governor General's first name, which is more than our latest guest troll does.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: Peter T.
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 03:14 AM

Can it be that for the first time ever I agree with gnu, and then he withdraws it?

Parading around in uniforms is for banana republics. Among the best traditions of parliamentary democracies was a real healthy fear of the military (mostly because the poor were dragooned away, I guess), so people never, ever, wore their uniforms in daily life, the way they have started to, and parade around their medals, etc.   The last two Governors General had the right idea -- drop the pomp.   But we are starting to go the other way again, simply because the Conservatives (like neo-cons everywhere) believe that governments should only be supporting defence and not much else.   The Americans are the classic example: everyone is screaming about the high costs of creating health care, while a trillion dollars is spent on the military and not a peep out of the oh-so-concerned about the deficit Republicans. Absurd.

On a related note, I see that Obama has started attending the funerals of the military, and having his picture taken with dead soldiers.   It was one of GWB's more disgusting decisions to ban all that. However, Obama saluted, which is another sign of creeping militarism.

yours,

Peter T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: GUEST,Charmion's brother Andrew
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 12:33 PM

I was on the parade among the vets and saw TRHs and HE. They bore themselves appropriately, although I would say Charles needs to work on his posture and his salute -- "Straighten up and get the bend out of that wrist, Lad!" (Whoever told him that the salute as per CFP 201 was identical to the navy salute was mistaken.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 02:55 PM

Ronald Reagan initiated the salute by the Commander-in-Chief. The salute is a sign of respect; the Commander-in-Chief receives a salute, and it should be returned.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: Peter T.
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 01:43 PM

Nonsense.

(Ronald Reagan also believed he'd fought in the war, so his opinion on this and other military matters -- one only has to recall his criminal as well as daft military exploits as President -- is worth zero.)


yours,

Peter T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 02:23 PM

Oh, my! More from Peter Troll.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: CET
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 07:05 PM

Well, from a Canuck point of view the President should not be returning the salute because he isn't wearing a headdress, let alone a military uniform. However, that's not the American tradition, so good on him. Whatever country you're from, the salute must be acknowledged in one way or another. Was he really the first President to return he salute?

Arguing with Peter T. is like wrestling with a pig. You'll both get filthy, but only the pig will enjoy it. However, I must admit a certain mild curiosity as to what he'll come up with next.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canuck Gov. Gen. Nov 11. In uniform ???
From: Peter T.
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 07:23 PM

There was a recent correspondence on all this in the New York Times and the clearest respondent wrote a subsequent article on the history of the salute in the US, which seems to me to be pretty fair:


http://balkin.blogspot.com/2009/11/presidential-salutes-and-presidential.html

oink.

yours,

Peter T.


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