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Subject: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Max
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 12:02 PM

"Today, in these changing and challenging economic times, Sing Out! is struggling to survive. As we head toward our 60th anniversary next year, we need your support more than ever. I ask you to consider making a contribution to help Sing Out! get through this very difficult year AND to ensure another 60 years of sharing songs that we need to learn and sing." Read more here: http://bit.ly/SingOut


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 12:53 PM

My paypal donation done! Thanks Max.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Stringsinger
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 01:36 PM

Sing Out! has problems. It is no longer the magazine that it was. I really liked it better under Irwin Silber. It was more controversial, more exciting because it stepped on some toes and more compact and argumentative (which isn't always a bad thing).

Sing Out! in my opinion has become more of a fan magazine with some important musicological articles. I'm not impressed with the songs they print. I don't see it as vital as it once was.

I realize that my opinion is in the minority but in this thread it may have been asked for.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: C. Ham
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 03:15 PM

Frank,

Sing Out has been around for almost 60 years and it's been more than 40 years since Irwin Silber was the editor. The times they a-changed a long time ago.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: GUEST,E Man
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 03:31 PM

"Sing Out has been around for almost 60 years and it's been more than 40 years since Irwin Silber was the editor. The times they a-changed a long time ago."

Kind of like folk music itself. Not necessarily a good thing.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 03:52 PM

I have to agree with Frank Hamilton.
What was once an essential magazine for me is now but a shadow of it's former self. In fact it's unrecognizable. Like a well known magazine here in the UK that used to have some interesting articles it has become more of a "World Music" (what an awful term that is)fanzine. I still have all my old copies back to the late 50's but gave up around ten years ago when I found I was wasting my money. Any article that seemed it might be worth reading usually turned out to be very light weight.

So sorry Pete but it doesn't appeal to me any longer.

Hoot


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Jack Campin
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 04:07 PM

Speaking of which, how is Irwin these days? He used to write a lot here and on Usenet - articulate, knowledgeable and to the point. The last I can trace of him on the web is from 2007. I hope he's not too ill to write.

If anybody knows, tell him he's missed.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 04:08 PM

When it was brand new, it was a thin, cheap-to-print, but interesting & vital magazine. Now that it is fat & colorful, it is watered down as to content. I sometimes read it at friends who subscribe, but I seldom see an issue I would spend the money on.
Perhaps, like many print magazines, people are finding the content they want elsewhere. It seems to me that Mudcat is in some ways a direct competitor, without attempting to be.

I have no idea how it will turn out... I own 50-60 older issues from when it was a monthly publication, and I will treasure those, no matter what happens. (I have a few from the first 3-4 years)


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: catspaw49
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 04:20 PM

As one of the many who came to folk and then trad in the 60's, I remember seeing my first issue of SingOut! and being amazed such a wonderful thing existed. I soon met a guy who had lots of old copies and that was really great! But like others have already posted, I watched it deteriorate as it grew.......not all that uncommon sadly enough. I have only leafed through a few issues over the past couple of years and have no interest in subscribing or giving two bits whether or not it survives.

The world has changed.........some things are left by the wayside...........so be it.......


Spaw


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 04:47 PM

Frankly, I think the magazine is still vital - perhaps more than ever.

For full disclosure, I do write for Sing Out!, and I have an article coming up on Loudon Wainwright and the Charlie Poole project.

I certainly agree that the magazine under Irwin Silber was a much needed source of information in the days before the internet, cable TV, and other forms of information.

Magazines need to change with the times, even if the old readers remains steadfast in the past. Back in what many of you are considering the "hay day", topical songs were timely when they appeared in the pages of Sing Out!    Today, by the time the magazine is published, the song has circulated on the internet, in forums like this, or have been played on one of the dozens of folk radio shows - which are more plentiful today than they were back in the 1960's.

Sing Out! needed to change, and those changes did not occur, the magazine would never have made their 50th anniversary yet alone be around for the upcoming 60th.   The magazine has taken a more worldly view instead of just folkusing (ouch!) on the music that surfaced in the U.S. during the folk revival.   Irwin Silber did an incredible job, but his viewpoint was the driving force in those days. I guess many of you agree with him, but I find that the magazine is more open to fresh ideas.

Less controversy? Perhaps, but look at what a divided community we became and how fractured the audience grew after the blip on the radar that was the folk revival.    Frankly, I think it is because of the guidance of people that followed Silber - notably Happy Traum, Bob Norman and of course Mark Moss - that the magazine is reaching a new audience.

Sing Out! is also more than a magazine. Their book publishing, radio show (hosted by Matt Watroba and heard on many stations and XM radio), plus their resource center provides a valuable commodity for this community. They have other plans for the future, and I would hope they receive the support they need.

It is a tough road. Everyone is certainly entitled to an opinion, and I respect that. I'm sure all of you understand that there are many people who have an opposite opinion of yours and want to see this magazine survive and we will do whatever we can to help support it. I believe Sing Out! is a vital and important resource that is playing a roll in the the perpetuation of ALL folk musics.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 04:53 PM

one more thing - fellow Mudcatter Bill Hahn and I are long-standing and VERY proud Sing Out! Radio Partners through our radio show on WFDU-FM.   

I actually met Bill Hahn for the first time at Sing Out! Magazine's 30th anniversary party.   I wonder who we will meet next year!


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Colin Randall
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 05:03 PM

Haven't seen Sing Out for a while, especially when living abroad, but it has been a fixture of my life nonetheless.

I can do no better than match the gesture, however the amounts may differ, of Virginia Tam, second message in this thread.

My websites - including Salut! and, much more relevant to Mudcatters, Salut! Live - struggle along as labours of love with modest professional benefit, but I will donate one month's advertising revenue to the cause. To be measured in tens of euros, not thousands, I'm afraid, but think what we could achieve if we all managed something like it.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 05:23 PM

Well, Ron...in spite of my misgivings about the current format, I DO hope they find a way to balance things and survive. I do NOT think a few donations are gonna solve things, though. They need a serious look at format, audience and publishing schedule.

(I heard on the radio today that almost every print newspaper in the Wash DC area except the Post is in serious trouble...from little weeklies to several dailies. Print media is changing....)


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 05:30 PM

I'm a long-time subscriber, who enjoys reading Sing Out! just about cover to cover whenever it arrives. Unfortunately, subscribings's all the financial support that I can offer right now, but I have to chime in on the positive side here to counter those whose mothers ought to have taught them what (not) to say if you can't say anything nice...

~ Becky in Tucson & Long Beach


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 05:31 PM

As in, do you naysayers really truly believe the world would be a better place if it went away??


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: GUEST,The Folk E
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 05:39 PM

The magazine sure has changed. It's gone from folk snobby to irrelevant.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Bill H //\\
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 05:41 PM

Ron has a great memory---he, if I am correct in this, introduced Ed McCurdy and we were all sitting on the floor at a union hall that was being used for the concert. I introduced myself to him and discussed his radio program on WFDU.

As to Sing Out---I still voraciously read each issue since it gives some great insights into a variety of artists---we also find who our community has lost as well as a brief guide to new recordings (which is of particular interest to radio folks--in addition to the audience that Sing Out attracts.

Newspapers and magazines are having hard times given the ubiquity of varied forms of media but there has to be a place for a "special interest" magazine that does not require using an Ipod, Computer, or some other exotic exlectronic medium to read some things in some more depth than you might find by reading some blurb on a search engine.

Bill Hahn


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 06:56 PM

I had never visited the Sing Out!, headquarters in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, and it's something I had always wanted to do. So, this October, I visited the magazine's office twice, on my way to and from the Getaway. The first visit, I talked with editor Mark Moss for an hour and a half, and then didn't have time left to explore the Sing Out! archives. So, I stopped on the way back and went through their entire library of books and recordings. I really enjoyed both visits, and I appreciated the time Mark spent with me. It's a fascinating place, and the people who work there are wonderful.

Sing Out! will soon be moving to a new location that it will share with the local public radio station. I hate the thought that it will be leaving its wonderfully funky current office, but I think a new office will be a lot more comfortable for the employees.

Yeah, I'd like the magazine to be oriented more toward people who make their own music and not the commercial side, and toward more traditional music; but I still enjoy the magazine very much.
I'll be sending a check.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Clontarf83
Date: 19 Nov 09 - 01:16 AM

Sent my cheque today. Sing Out is (to borrow a phrase) too big to fail...


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 19 Nov 09 - 02:55 AM

If you are not happy with the form and content of the magazine, feed that back to the editors.

Simples!


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Nov 09 - 08:17 PM

I have a sentimental attachment to this magazine and will continue to support it with a long-term subscription. I do admit that I no longer find songs there that I feel compelled to learn, as I did in the past. Mudcat actually serves those needs better.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: sing4peace
Date: 19 Nov 09 - 08:44 PM

I think Sing Out! deserves our support for all of the years it was there when no one else was. For the songs about the Rosenbergs, for the stories about Paul Robeson and Cisco Huston and for bringing us through the decades with songs and people for the changing times.

Your sister in song,
Joyce Katzberg


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Stringsinger
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 04:02 PM

Sing Out! could probably be replaced with a magazine that is more vital in political content, edited better for song material, more reflective of local happenings. Maybe the answer is more magazines like Sing Out! used to be.

When an magazine has outlived its time and usefulness, what's wrong with saying that if you think that's the case?

For those who like it, then you can fund it.

As for "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" never accomplished
anything worth while in the arts.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Art Thieme
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 04:15 PM

These times are difficult for all. I subscribe to two magazines only.

#1 on my list is OLD TIME HERALD. For me, they are the closest to where I am in that I'm immersed in American and Brit trad music styles. Old Timey Music is vital as listening music / concert fare, but also, mostly actually, as THE music for dances.

#2 is SING OUT! I subscribe to them, even when I cannot afford it, for old time sake, and because Pete created a music world where I made a living of sorts for a long time. Also because Annie Hills is an old friend of mine---and she likes Mark, so I do too. I page through Sing Out to find out who had padded away since the last issue. Sometimes I find out that, amazingly, I might've written the obituary---but it was written so long ago I'd forgotten I wrote it ever.-------- So I subscribed for three years the last time because I keep hoping I won't be reading my own obit in there one day too soon. One or two articles do interest me in each issue. I play the CD that comes with the magazine and wind up wondering why I'm not open to the music I'm hearing---why it's so uninteresting to me!? (Usually it's because the language is not one I can get meaning from; and it's the words, along with an accessible tune, that determines if I'll enjoy it or not. At age 68, I know what I like.

All that said and noted, After keeping the magazine around for a month or so, I often realize that I will never open it again---so I guiltily pass it on to someone who has no clue what folkie stuff or the revival of ours was all about. (In recent years I don't keep books I'm sure I won't read again. Like Netflix, I send 'em back. One in 5 of the CDs I'll keep; the rest go off to a friend in Wisconsin.

The three year subscription was all I could afford. That'll have to be it. Stuff be tough. Medicaid makes certain we're broke.

As Pete and Eclesiastes have noted, "To everything there is a season..."

Lave to all,

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 04:21 PM

Those were the days, my friends. Can't even get it in the U.K. now.
I have lots of copies from way back when the songs meant something.
There ain't a Leadbelly or a Woody around these days.


mandomad


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Stewart
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 05:12 PM

Well, I thought my subscription was running out. It is, but
I still have one more issue coming (according to my label),
that is the Fall09 issue (maybe by Winter10).
I'm undecided whether or not to renew, because
I read only an article or two, if that.
and many of the songs are of no interest to me.
I have a collection of old Sing Outs that I still
go back to for old songs. And I have all of the CDs
that have come with the more recent issues.
Recently, I've started ripping the songs I do like
off the CDs and burning new CDs just to listen to.
That way I have quite a collection of listenable CDs.

Still I'm undecided whether or not to renew.
Sing Out1 ain't what it used to be any more.

Cheers, S. in Seattle
where the rain is still coming down


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 05:15 PM

"When an magazine has outlived its time and usefulness, what's wrong with saying that if you think that's the case?"

There is nothing wrong with voicing an OPINION, ever. As long as we realize that there are opposite opinions with equally valid reasons, life moves on. The only way to make change is to say what you need to say.

It is very obvious that Sing Out! does not speak to those who are looking for it to be something it is not.   To those of us who DO find the new directions appealing and a breath of fresh air, then we will do whatever we can to support it.

Sing Out! has NOT outlived it's time, and it is more useful than ever. That is an opinion shared by many, although apparently not as many on Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 05:39 PM

When a magazine has outlived its time and usefulness, what's wrong with saying that if you think that's the case?

Having your opinions is fine but not sure it is correct or fair to do it in the same thread which is trying to raise awareness and support.

I don't agree with how much it costs pharmaceuticals companies to develop new cancer drugs. But I still donate to research. I would never think it appropriate to dissuade others, especially on the charity's air time.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 05:40 PM


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 05:48 PM

This thread is about funding SingOut! Some folks are and they tell me why. Some folks aren't and they too pass on an opinion. In this thread there are opinions on both sides and in the middle.......just like life. I can't see what the problem is with Frank or Bill or even myself making comment. We're not trolling or flaming, just discussing or conversing.

I can see how many of you feel thanks to your excellent explanations. Some of us are letting you know how we feel and we too gave some explanations.

How is this a problem?


Spaw


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 06:13 PM

I interpreted that this thread was started specifically to create awareness and support for Sing Out.

I didn't get the idea from the title, or the original post that it was a forum to discuss its merits or lack. The latter which would defeat the purpose of the thread.

Maybe I still don't understand how things work here in Mudcat and I should shut my big gob.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Stringsinger
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 06:17 PM

The thread caption says "Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut". It didn't say
"Please save SingOut and don't post if you disagree". It also didn't say "We are trying to raise support so negative responses are not required."

I think my post is appropriate. I think it would be productive to keep a discussion on this topic going and not censor disagreements.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 06:55 PM

It may be that this thread will shed some light on what Sing Out is...and is not... and allow folks to think carefully about how to proceed.
A few folks are of the opinion that it should be saved no matter what because of its historical value and special place for FOLK.

Ron Olesko and Bill H. are involved daily with all aspects of almost everything answering to the broadest possible concept of 'folk', and I certainly see why they would want a vehicle for helping them do this. Others don't follow some of the newer trends, and get little from the magazine these days.
   It is not clear why the magazine has problems. It may be format, and it may be just 'being' print media.
   I have no objection to it being continued.... I want ANY well-done magazine which speaks to a specific audience to do as well as possible...even if it is "The Cannonball Collectors Quarterly", but all print media needs to review the various aspects of what they do... and how they do it.
Please... if anyone has $$$ to spare and wants to contribute, more power to them! I can barely afford my membership to the http://woodcollectors.org/ in order to get THEIR magazine...which has recently gone from monthly to bi-monthly to reduce expenses.

It ain't easy.....


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 07:16 PM

When I first began to play and sing folk songs, "Sing Out!" was an indispensable publication for all us youngsters in the 1950's. I still have a number of the older, more compact publications from that era, with great tips on playing and performing, excellent thought-provoking articles and a wonderful trove of songs. Like many young people in the Eisenhower years, I was essentially apolitical. The music was more my meat. I woke up, like many others, when Jack Kennedy lived and died.

Since I have not seen the magazine in many years, I have no way to compare. It sounds like "Sing Out!" is struggling to keep its audience in this era of an exploding array of electronic alternatives. In this they are far from unique. People get both their music and their politics on-line, for the most part.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 07:51 PM

"Ron Olesko and Bill H. are involved daily with all aspects of almost everything answering to the broadest possible concept of 'folk', and I certainly see why they would want a vehicle for helping them do this. Others don't follow some of the newer trends, and get little from the magazine these days."

Thanks Bill D. - I am very proud of that fact. It's actually not the "broadest" concept of folk, but it is following the definition of what makes a tradition and the fact that traditions evolve and new ones are created. That was one of the reasons the magazine was founded back in 1950. If you start to leaf through the letters column over the years, you will see that the discussion that is being carried on here is nothing new.

Frankly, if you take a look at the latest issue you will find the usual columns - Faith Petric's "Folk Process" column is still in there, so is Joe Hickerson's brilliant "Songfinder", and I see Ken Perlman and Dakota Dave Hull are writing columns that teach banjo and guitar respectively. Dan Keding's column for storytellers still shows up too. I also count 7 traditional songs appearing, and most of them aren't your usual suspects. There is a great song from Danny Schmidt, a incredibly poetic songwriter, and an article about Danny from Matt Watroba.   I thought the article on Feufollet was a great introduction to this young band that is carrying on an important tradition, and there are other great articles.

I'm not doing a commercial, I don't get paid. I do write for them from time to time and I'm honored to be part of the tradition. I realize it is not for everyone, but it DOES appeal to many people.

Also, if you take the time to read the note, you will realize that there is significantly more than just a magazine at stake.   All magazines are suffering, but Sing Out! offers a lot more - and their plans should be of interest to every folkie. Their resource center alone is an important factor!

I don't begrudge anyone from having a different opinion, and I encourage letters to the editor or send Mark a suggestion on articles you would like to see. Complaining about your dislikes in a forum like this really doesn't solve anything, except add to the growing chorus of complaint that seems to be building around Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 08:45 PM

I talked about this with Mark Moss when I visited Sing Out! in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, last month. There are a lot of harsh things said about the magazine at Mudcat, and it hurts the people who work so hard to keep it alive. The folk music community in the United States is neither large nor prospering, so it's important that we support each other.

I can't find the current issue just now - I think that's the one that has a wonderful obituary for Sandy Paton. The issue I found right away was 52/4 (March/April/May 2009). It has articles on the Tannahill Weavers, Nimrod Workman, and Billy Edd Wheeler, plus an article about Croatian music (complete with pronunciation guide), plus the Faith Petric and Joe Hickerson columns I read religiously, plus a CD of music I haven't heard before. And I always use the reviews to guide me to the new music that's available.

Yes, I suppose it's a magazine oriented more to folk music consumers rather than to people who make their own music - but there's lots of stuff for us music makers, too. So, before you criticize the magazine to loudly, take another look - it's all we've got.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 08:55 PM

.........oy......................okay............I'll send them a couple of bucks if they do a feature article on the newly formed "Anne Frank Drum Corps"....................

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 09:05 PM

Sorry, Spaw, and all, it's just depressing when a small organization that's worthy of some respect at least, even if it's not all you'd hope it would be, asks for some support from those who value it, and virtually all the first string of responses are negative. If you don't value it, don't send money. Is there a need in this context to try to convince others that it's not worth it "any more"?

Folks whine about the decline of the genre... negativity breeds negativity. It's pretty tiresome here. And now I'm getting grumpy about the grumpiness. Sigh.

~ Becky in Long Beach


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Max
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 09:06 PM

YouTube Video - Pete Seeger on Sing Out!


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 09:36 PM

I listened to Pete... and there is a link to the 'donate' page at Sing Out there, with a transcript of Pete's remarks and Sing Out's explanation of their situation.

The part that is relevant to this thread reads as follows...
   "We simply must retire the debt Sing Out! has been forced to accrue. We know that an infusion of funds from friends like you will help us create the all-important stable financial platform needed, so that we can move forward into 2010 and beyond."
*IF* that is all that donations are aimed towards, perhaps some donations... plus the cheaper office space they are getting... might actually put them in a position to keep going for the foreseeable future. Of course, they don't publicize the amount or type of "debt...(they) have been forced to accrue", and I guess they probably won't. A little clearer explanation of why the debt and what is changing might help some to decide whether and how much to give.... but I must admit, that is only my personal musing.

   I think I ought to go look at a few recent issues and read some of the articles & letters...etc., and see if I see more than I did in my last few opportunities. I DO know a couple places where I can examine some recent issues.

In spite of my misgivings, I do hope that solutions can be found.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 10:26 PM

Are old issues of Sing Out! available online in any form? I want to make a donation, and I already have a life membership, but it would be nice to be able to access all of the issues of this magazine.
Anybody know where it's available?
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 10:29 PM

Joe... I think I once found an index to them, but I have never seen a place for complete access.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 12:54 AM

Many articles from Sing Out! are available here (click) at findarticles.com - but only from issues since 2006. I'm looking for the OLD ones.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 08:17 AM

I don't believe that Sing Out! is available online except for more recent issues that are available as online subscriptions. With their financial issues, a project like an online collection would require a reasonably significant investment.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 09:00 AM

Sigh! What Sing Out needs is server space and volunteers willing to digitise and electronically publish the old issues. What I wouldn't give to be living there and have that kind of time to donate.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: artbrooks
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 09:25 AM

Like several people here, I subscribe and enjoy reading Sing Out. I pay the extra few bucks a year for the CDs, and load them 5 or 6 at in time in the car CD player for long trips. One of the things I appreciate is that the music mix is very varied...my wife wouldn't believe it, but I do enjoy something other than "all-Celtic, all the time" occasionally. I enjoy the music reviews in the magazine and, since we don't exactly live in the music mainstream, sometimes use them as guides for purchases. It certainly isn't perfect, but what is?

Sing-Out also produces that much-maligned but also much loved and widely used song book, Rise Up Singing.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 11:27 AM

Darn, Art, You had to mention that?? For some folks it really is grounds to actively campaign against SO!

;-)

~ B in LB


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Bill H //\\
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 06:41 PM

The three year subscription was all I could afford. That'll have to be it. Stuff be tough. Medicaid makes certain we're broke.

   Not to waylay the thread which, in fact, was merely a call for support of the magazine and has evolved, as most things do, into other issues. Art Thieme's problem I fully understand since I am in his age group---even moreso--but I just wanted to comment on the Medicaid comment---taint so. Bookeeping is the issue--the government's. There are always $$$ for Corp. bailouts (think GM etc;), misguided wars, and more. Let's not blame financial problems one the few things that is done for the public good. They always print more money for the political priorities. How we got where we are as a nation given all these political self interests is something I cannot fathom.

Now to Sing Out! I guess the main problem is that it is not too large to fail so that leaves it up to us plebians to help out a great resource for small community. People, The Star, US, Soap Opera Magazine don't need help and I wonder what, other than nonsense, they contribute besides making oodles of money.

   I have a friend who does not like comedy or anything lighthearted (still wonder why we are friends) and he cannot believe that the audience for The News Hour on PBS, NPR, and such is miniscule compared to the networks and cable channels that deliver the equivalent of the magazines listed above. Think of Sing Out! as this community's PBS or NPR.

Bill Hahn


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 02:46 PM

refresh


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: billhudson
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 04:31 PM

I have always looked at Sing Out like a National Geographic. Something you read put back the magazine on the book shelve and then maybe pick up again and keep going back.
This magazine is where I first heard about Victor Jara and his music and life. Back then I wanted to know who were Don and Connie West and their daughter, Hedy and many others. Years ago I hitch- hike there just to see the place. In a way this magazine plaints the seed and it goes from there.
I think in the long run this magazine should be around for some very young kid to read and wonder who are these folks and their music.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 05:07 PM

I was able on Sat. eve. to look thru, at a friend's, several issues from 2005-2006... (nothing newer..I believe she no longer subscribes).

Yes... I do see articles and content I'd like to have access to, and if money were no object I'd do it for the 30% or so I really care about. At about 60% I'd find the money, no matter what.
It really is tedious being 70 and on a fixed income and since I'm a picky old curmudgeon about content, I just balk. That is sort of irrelevant to the current issue, but I had opened my mouth earlier....so....


I really DO hope it works out...it would be sad to see an institution fail, like I have watched many local bookstores fail for 20 years.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 01:34 AM

Sing Out! Magazine arrived today, Volume 55, No. 1, dated Autumn 2012. The magazine is greatly reduced in size - 48 pages, instead of the 136 pages in the previous issue - Volume 54, No. 4, dated Fall 2011 / Winter 2012. The current issue has no reviews, no obituaries, no Joe Hickerson "Songfinder" column or Faith Petric parodies section. The opening letter from Editor Mark Moss says that magazine has had serious financial problems, and had to cut back severely. What's left is still a very good magazine. Let's hope these changes will allow the magazine to survive.
Keep up the good work, Mark.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Wesley S
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 07:41 AM

Ditto from me. Let's hope Sing Out makes it. To lose this resource would be unthinkable.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: kendall
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 07:46 AM

Change is inevitable. Resistance to change is also inevitable.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: GUEST,Desi C
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 08:34 AM

I strongly reccomend Pete's Sing Out book, one of the best selection of songs ever, most with chords, worth every penny


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Charley Noble
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 09:22 AM

I'll ante up again but it's probably hopeless. Sing Out! would do better going to a digital format.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Stringsinger
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 12:48 PM

When I was younger in the early Fifties I couldn't wait to get my little copy of Sing Out!, an exciting controversial, argumentative, politically aware, and highly musical and honest mag.

I collected them all and always had one at the bottom of my guitar case.

Then, I think it was browbeaten by those who didn't like the political content.
The name of the magazine comes from Pete and Lee's song, "If I Had a Hammer,
I'd sing out danger and I'd sing out a warning". If this were the goal of Sing Out!
I would support it in a heartbeat or a New York minute. Irwin was irascible, hard hitting, sometimes rubbing people the wrong way and I loved every minute of it.
I loved the dialogue between Irwin and Izzy Young and when SO became more of
a scholarly fanzine, I lost interest. I want Sing Out! to be its noisy, controversial,
non-commercialized, hot headed self again without the emphasis on insider star folkies who I really don't care about (which Irwin went after) or long winded dissertations.. I want to see it agitate like it used to because there is so much that needs to be said today as the US slips into a corporate state. I don't want SO to go there. I liked it when it was "street" and people spoke out against injustice. Yes, times change and people get complacent. SO was a beacon of light in the political darkness and I wish it were feisty again.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger wants you to save SingOut
From: Mark Ross
Date: 08 Nov 12 - 01:16 PM

I sure agree with you Frank. That was the SO I loved way back when.

Mark Ross


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