BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 09:25 AM

Oh, you mean they'd be made to fly on EasyJet?

Well, maybe you have a point....

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 09:22 AM

People would be lining up to be transported to Australia these days! :0)

Not what I said Lizzie. NB "squalid conditions".

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 09:04 AM

Ha! You must be kidding, Dave! People would be lining up to be transported to Australia these days! :0)

John, what worries me more than that unbelievable price hike is that no-one has taken to the streets over it..that's ridiculous...and immoral.

The Tolpuddle Martyrs stood up against having their wages cut...so they sure as hell belong in this thread...and we got to water because of the way the fat cats now own the very water that we need to survive!

'TOLPUDDLE II'

Coming soon...

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 08:55 AM

I need five volunteers, from Dorset, Devon or Cornwall.....

I'd be careful with your sense of history on this one. They were transported under squalid conditions to Australia. Handed over to landowners. Forced to work.

Come and Fight For Water. Get Transported Like the Tolpuddle Martys. Not the best of slogans.....

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: artbrooks
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 08:39 AM

Wasn't the topic of water bills talked to death six months or so ago? My personal opinion hasn't changes at all: if the costs of supplying and cleaning water differ from one location to another, than so should the amount billed to consumers. If the cost of providing 100 gals of water in one location is twice as much as that of providing the same amount of water in another (and this eliminates many other factors), than it is reasonable that those in the first location should pay twice as much. I live in the desert - believe me, I know water isn't a cost-free commodity.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 08:09 AM

I'm not sure how it leapt from wage cuts to water bills

It's quite easy. Wage cuts = price of fish. Fish = water. Water = ducks. Ducks = bills. Keep up:-)

"Dad, there's a man with a bill at the door."

"Are you sure it's not a duck in a bowler hat?"

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 06:36 AM

You think you have something to complain about Lizzie?

"A comparison of two retail premises owned by the same business, one in Scotland and one in England, with virtually identical water usage and rateable values, showed that in 2003/2004, the bill in England was £366; in Scotland the bill was £1212" – an increase of 244% in only two years."

Here we are with a much higher average rainfall too !

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Mavis Enderby
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 06:22 AM

Lizzie,

paying for water is a difficult area and I agree with a lot of what you say about local vs national bills. I'm certainly no great fan of privatization either.

Unfortunately it's not as simple as "corporate water lords owning the very stuff that falls from the skies". The OFWAT determination is very likely to lead to harder working conditions or redundancies for the many workers in the water industry who provide a very safe product, on demand, and take away the waste, and treat it to prevent environmental damage or public health risk. There is, believe me, a huge amount of work involved in doing this, and it's usually those on the front line who suffer when the industry is squeezed. See this press release from the GMB.

I quite agree with you regarding the issue of excessive profits going to a few individuals. It's a massive issue which seems to be getting worse in many industries. But do you think water workers should take a pay cut or lose their jobs to keep water bills down? Compare this with your original post regarding public sector workers in Ireland...

Pete

(who does a mucky job in the water industry and is certainly not a corporate water lord!)

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 06:16 AM

I need five volunteers, from Dorset, Devon or Cornwall.....

"...In 1832, the year of a Reform Act which extended the vote in England but did not grant universal suffrage, six men from Tolpuddle in Dorset founded the Friendly Society of Agricultural Labourers to protest against the gradual lowering of wages in the 1830s. They refused to work for less than 10 shillings a week, although by this time wages had been reduced to seven shillings a week and were due to be further reduced to six shillings..." (Wiki)

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 06:11 AM

No, 'they' are not!

And...thank you.


AND....how long is it before some Corporate Bastard decides to start charging us for the very air that we breathe?????? After all, some parts of the country have cleaner air than others...and people have 'worked hard' to achieve that, so it only follows, in today's Loopy Thinking that the punters should have to pay for that fact...

I mean seriously.....

Did anyone here EVER think that every drop of water we got out of the tap, or flushed down the toilet, would be weighed, measured and charged outrageous amounts for?????


I'm diabetic...and I KNOW that there are the occasional times when I have to drink and drink and drink...and it doesn't matter how many cups of water it takes, the thirst is still there. It's a thirst that I never understood before...your body's way of watering everything down...and before I was diagnosed diabetic I had that thirst a great deal, as do many people...Now my diabetes is under control, so is the thirst, but just very occasionally, it will return...

My friend, who is severely diabetic, used, as a young undiagnosed person, to drink her own bath water because she couldn't get out of it as her thirst was so great...She'd drink from a running tap because a glass didn't hold enough...You almost get to the point of not even bothering if you have to drink out of puddles, so bad can it be at times...

Maybe we should all start drinking from puddles, because at least that's still free.....although I expect South West Water will soon have a Puddle Meter/Charge too....

Maybe the people of Devon and Cornwall should call themselves the Westcountrypuddle Martyrs in union with their Dorset Cousins from Tolpuddle...

The magnificent 'Wallbreaker' by Benji Kirkpatrick

"You can package me, sell me to the proles
you can Find me down in the deepest holes
I am your life, I am all your world
I make it grow, make the leaves unfurl

I run clear from the highest hills
But soon come round when I feel your spills
You throw me junk of which I soon consume
I can divert but I will resume

People pay for me, people fight for me
I've no regard for you at all
You can throw what you like at me
I keep on moving
I can bring down any wall

There are some who walk forty miles a day
And on their heads carry me away
Have to ration, have to make it stretch
Making the most of what they can get

People pay for me, people fight for me
I've no regard for you at all
You can throw what you like at me
I keep on moving
I can bring down any wall

Others turn a tap and I will appear
Seems no need for conservation here
Ready to use or waste at will
Thinking nothing when the glass is spilled

I can destroy in great towering waves
And likewise many lives can save
Some say that wars I will soon incite
For the purest drop people stand and fight

People pay for me, people fight for me
I've no regard for you at all
You can throw what you like at me
I keep on moving
I can bring down any wall

People cry for me, people die for me
I've no regard for you at all
You can fill me with your piles of waste
It leaves a bitter taste
But still my rivers flow and oceans roar

I am alive as the beating heart
*I have been here right from the start"

*(I think that last line may be wrong, as I couldn't quite catch the words, apologies to Benji if it is)

Benji Kirkpatrick's Myspace where 'Wallbreaker' can be heard


And those at South West Water seem as unfeeling as Mother Water herself, because they just keep on raging through people's lives, causing flood of worry, anxiety and unhappiness, causing families to argue over baths, washing, flushing toilets etc....leaving people lying awake at nights trying to work out how they will be able to pay their bills....

"I've no regard for you at all....You can throw what you like at me, I keep on moving..."

The song of those who run South West Water!

They have no beating heart though, just empty ones that love only money, and they don't care what they have to do to get it. Their motives are as crystal clear as their 'product', but their consumers have had their minds muddied up with emotional blackmail..

It's time to clear the heads of The WestCountrypuddle Martyrs, once and for all..

Pick up thy strength of ye people of the Weste Countrye, because we are neede to go into Battle once more!

"God is our guide! from field, from wave, From plough, from anvil, and from loom; We come, our country's rights to save, And speak a tyrant faction's doom: We raise the watch-word liberty; We will, we will, we will be free!" - George Loveless

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 04:14 AM

And 'they' are not going to get away with this!!!

Yes they are.

so more letter writing is due tomorrow..

You might find this effective.

Now don't say I never help you.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 07:53 PM

This is SO f*cking wrong, that I *have* to do *something* to turn this around.......I've never known anything so corrupt as this!

And 'they' are not going to get away with this!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 07:49 PM

"But the main reason I would suggest is that we don't have beaches to keep up to EU standards (minimum) so that tourists come and visit"


HELLO! They are not OUR beaches! They belong to the whole world! WHY has it now become the responsibility of all those people who live in Devon and Cornwall to pay for the beaches down here????   

That's the biggest load of Corporate Bastard Twaddle I ever did hear!

Holy Jumping Water Butts!

We should all be paying exactly the same rate for our water, no matter WHERE we live in this country.

The vast majority of people down here haven't 'chosen' to live here, they were born here...and yet they are now lumbered with the financial responsibility of maintaining the South West Beaches?

It's utter nonesense, as is the rest of the Twaddle they fed me earlier on when I rang them....and 'Lucas' never rang backk either....No surprises there then... :0) But I'll phone them again tomorrow...get to the bottom of this...

Oh..and when I wrote to Ofwat about this fiasco, they came back telling me that the average bill down here was around £400. (!!) I told them to update their figures, then check the average wage down here and match it to the price we pay for water...

Ofwat are the ones who are now going to decide if South West Water can go ahead with these outrageous charges...so more letter writing is due tomorrow....and if anyone would like to also drop them a line, here they are...

Ofwat

Report on Ofwat's decision

And taken from there:

"Families face paying up to £1,000-a-year for their water after industry regulators bowed to press from suppliers.

Ofwat had demanded average household water bills be slashed by 4% to £330 by 2015.

But after a summer of heavy lobbying by industry bigwigs it yesterday accepted a mere 1% cut to £340.

The fact that the firms got off lightly was reflected in an immediate jump in their share prices.

When inflation is added, the actual amount people pay seems certain to rise over the next five years.

The hike will give the water firms an extra £400m towards metering and other urgent improvements. But they claim they still need to invest more than £22bn replacing pipes and sewers, improving drinking water and environmental work.

Among the worst hit will those served by South West Water, already the country's most expensive supplier. It is being allowed to up the average unmetered bill by an astonishing 29% to £935-a-year."

And now, I'll leave you all to talk about ducks, or whatever, but just remember that from now on, if you see water running off a duck's back, catch each and every drop of it, because the Corporate Water Lords now own the very stuff that falls free from the skies and they about to charge many of us £1,000 a year for it.

The BASTARDS!

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 07:39 PM

Lost me too................

No answer about Vi though.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 07:28 PM

Or slavery ducks in Leigh ~(pronounced Leyth).

So is this a cut wages thread or a water rates thread? I'm confused!

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 04:50 PM

Faggots are also known as Savoury Ducks

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 03:52 PM

But I expect you lot think that's all fine and dandy.

I think it absolutely bloody well stinks to high heaven.......

Why not wait and see what we say?

AS it happens I think the privatisation was a huge mistake and I think that you pay a huge amount for your water (and sewage disposal).

I have the advantage of living in a major industrial city is that we don't have huge water charges - we are cheaper to get water to.

But the main reason I would suggest is that we don't have beaches to keep up to EU standards (minimum) so that tourists come and visit.

Ruth - I am sorry - I could have sworn you were fan of Scrapple. Sincere apologies.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 03:05 PM

Oh, I was just running with the theme of ducks (not the waddling sort) in the general nautical/piscean drift, it being a lot more interesting than the topic (whatever that is). I'm not sure how it leapt from wage cuts to water bills but it's so depressing I don't care.

The recipe for (non waddling) Northumbrian Duck appears in Sophie Grigson, along with the address of a Newcastle butcher who'll do the lamb boning for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 02:06 PM

London water is much purer - it's been filtered through at least 5 kidneys before it reaches us.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 01:40 PM

By the way: Dave know perfectly well that Scrapple (or the scrapings off the abbatoir floor, as I fondly like to think of it) is an abomination. Thinking about the texture alone turns my stomach. I expect it's very similar to Don T's feelings about brawn.

Diane: in the East Midlands and Cheshire, I've definitely seen faggots called ducks in butchers' shops. I'm not sure whether it was the Northumbrian lamb thingy that Mike of Hessle was referring to, but as we were on about offal and mostly pig-based products, I think he might have meant faggots.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 01:20 PM

Aha!

So I rang South West Water just now...and apparently, it would cost, so I'm told..£840 a year for metered water, to live in this house, or £1,013.00 a year, if I wasn't metered...

She seemed to think this was absolutely hunky dory.

(!!!!!!)

ONE THOUSAND pounds a year for water?????? ARE THEY SERIOUS???

Apparently, the reason that metered people get charged £3 a year more, and unmetered get charged over £250 more a year is because the bad, wicked unmetered people have to pay for people er...having meters...and they have to pay for er....conservation....because they use more water....apparently...

And it's ever so cheap when you have a meter...er..apparently.....despite it costing near on £900!!!!!

I pointed out that in my house in Sidmouth I was paying around £700 a year, up until August this year, in water rates....so how come, if I weren't on the Water Sure Scheme they run, I'd be paying £300 a year more for exactly the same thing, despite living in a house half the size, with one less person in than before?

I'm er...more than a little confused....and more than a little angry too..because who the hell can afford to pay £1,000 a year purely for water?

And....WHY should we??????

The people of The West Country are being held to ransom here..!

She also told me that in London an average cup of water is recycled 10 times over, whilst in Devon it's recycled just once, thus proving how much cleaner our water is down here.   I explained that I lived just outside London for near on 30 years and never had any problems with health issues there from the water, and I used to drink tap water all the time, never bottled..so maybe SWW should start follwoing London's example....

I'm waiting for 'Lucas' to phone me back, who's a supervisor...but I don't think I'm going to get much further. I asked if I could talk to he Chairman, but apparently, that's not permitted...

Gee whizz, I wonder why?

Anyway, I'm waiting for 'Lucas' to ring me now, as he's a supervisor and will probably talk to me in a very serious voice...

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 01:17 PM

Well, Lizzie, if you ever brought any thread to a logical conclusion maybe everyone wouldn't get bored and end up going off on tangents. We still don't know what the outcome was for the bath handles, or the Anne Summers shop, or your water rant to the BBC, or your festival, or your radio programme, or numerous other issues.

The pattern seems to go like this: You get up a head of steam about something. You have a good old rant at someone either in person or down the phone. You come on to Mudcat and report your rant back to the community here, and then go on to state in no uncertain terms all the things you're about to do to change the world so tha tthis thing (whatever it is) doesn't happen again. And then...

Well, that seems to be it, really. You don't ever seem to get beyond the ranting. That's why, to be perfectly frank, it's kind of hard to take you seriously. I suggested to you earlier in this thread a couple of different courses of action you might take to turn your sxcreeching into some thing more than that - how to actually start to make a difference. But you don't really want to do that, I don't think. You don't weant to do the mundane, boring, time-consuming grass-roots activity that is really required to make things happen - you told us you're above stuffing envelopes, for a start. Instead, you seem to think that the world's media ought to be beating a path to your door so that everyone can benefit from your pearls of wisdom.

Well, as I said earlier, a lot of people rant and rage. Too many, in fact, for the media to give each and every one of them a platform. So the media tends to pay attention to people who actually have a track record of getting things done, and who provide real solutions, or particular insights into a problem. In other words, why should they listen to you in particular? You need to get out and do sdome things first. Start a coimmunity action group. But I'll warn you now - you may have to stuff a few envelopes.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 12:39 PM

Interesting isn't it....how you lot feel that it's OK for you to take any thread of mine off thread, but if I dared to do the same to you, you'd be jumping and down with rage.

I don't do it.

But hey, you guys just continue to show yourselves up to others, because you know something? This does my heart good, for there is no greater evidence for those who've never quite believed what I've had to put up with for years on end than in this thread and Eddi Reader's one.

It's great guys, carry on, by all means, if that's what turns you on.





OK, for anyone who may be interested...here is the rest of the South West Water story.

If you are on a water meter, they'll be increasing your water bill by £3 a year, rising to £6, over 5 years.

If you're NOT on a water meter, then the average rise will be around £250 a year.

Yup, TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY BLOODY POUNDS A YEAR, according to our local paper down here...

So, that's good isn't it?

All fair and fun at South West Water, who are basically trying to financially force everyone into having a meter....and you know why? Because they make one helluva lot more money from water metered houses that have more than one or two people in it...as was told to me, over and over again by their own staff in their customer care department...

But I expect you lot think that's all fine and dandy.

I think it absolutely bloody well stinks to high heaven.......

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 11:02 AM

It begins to pall

Is that a sort of offal? Or a fish?

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 11:00 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1 - PM
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 04:15 AM

I think Joe said we were not to indulge in personal insults.

I am sorry you feel unable to address me without resorting to asterixed words. Please don't put the asterixes in to spare my blushes. I worked in industry. But for someone who said she was going to complain to the world about the display in an Anne Summers shop that might weaken your argument you know.

What happened to that by the way? Did the TV/Radio/Local newspaper not come round to here your tale of woe? Trading standards say there was nothing they could do? Mayoral office point it was nothing to do with them?

And do tell us about Vi, we all, including me, keep asking nicely.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 11:00 AM

You can't beat walking round Bury market late on a Saturday, looking for bargain bath handles, knee deep in dead black pudding skins.

Don, look at Joe's comments earlier in the thread. I am pretty sure the rules have been adhered to or the comments would have been deleted. No kicking has been performed. You are perfectly within your rights to post opinions, provided they are not personal attacks, just as we are quite entitled to take them on board, ignore them or take the piss as our fancy strikes us. Feel free to join in.

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 10:29 AM

Sorry Terry

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 10:28 AM

I find that most American food, has it's roots in Europe anyway. So I assume that accounts for the eclectic tastes of RA.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 10:22 AM

Take no notice of Ruth Archer. Far from coming from Prudhoe as she might have you believe - she actually is American and there they eat Scrapple.

I'd normally not rely on Wikipedia for the source of my information but in this case personal experience tells me it is reliable.

"Scraps of meat left over from butchering, not used or sold elsewhere, were made into scrapple to avoid waste. Scrapple is best known as a regional American food of the Mid-Atlantic States (Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Maryland)".

Note that phrase "scraps of meat left over from butchering". By this it means that after the (shop/abbatoir/butchers/farm) is shut for the day they go around with a broom and sweep everything up into a pan.

Wikipedia goes on to say:

"Scrapple is typically made of hog offal, such as the head, heart, liver, and other scraps, which are boiled with any bones attached (often the entire head), to make a broth. Fans of scrapple sometimes boast that scrapple contains everything from a pig except the "oink."

First of all those grammarians amongst you will realise that they begin by using the past tense and then switch to the present tense.Believe me the present tense is the operable one, i.e. they still make it.

Now I am sure she won't mind me saying but this came up once before and Ruth Archer made it plain that she found this stuff delicious. Especially when covered in maple syrup. (Those familiar with this area of America will realise they put maple syrup on everything).

And you wonder how she can tell the difference between good and bad brawn?

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 10:14 AM

NORTHUMBRIAN DUCK

Boned shoulder of lamb with knuckle bone left in to form the beak.
Serve on a lake of sugar snap peas.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 10:03 AM

Mike of Hessle: Ducks = Faggots, yes? I love a good butcher's faggot, me. I always put a trotter in my rabbit stew, if I can get one.

Don, the brawn you had was probably made with eyeballs and everything. I think the process is a bit more refined now. I've not known it to have a strong smell particularly. And it is very tasty.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 09:25 AM

BTW, does anyone else feel, as I do, that this "let's kick Lizzie" fest has run its course?

It begins to pall

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 09:22 AM

""How can you tell if brawn is good brawn, and what do you do with it/eat it with?""

Good Brawn is an oxymoron CS, and as to how you eat it, the only answer I can give is.....With trepidation, and a clothespeg on your nose.

As a kid I used to have to eat it, back in the post war rationing days, and it is the most Godawful muck.


IMHO, of course.
Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 09:07 AM

My Aunt Isabella used to make something called Mock Crab for sandwiches, a recipe left over from the privations of wartime when real crabs, presumably, were interned. Tomatoes, cheese and roughly ground breadcrumbs. Yum yum.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: GUEST,Mike of Hessle
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 08:24 AM

I regularly have Brawn sandwiches with Brown Sauce for my lunch on a Saturday/Sunday - they taste delicious. Having been raised in the 50's with little money coming into the house it was what you ate as Boiled Ham was far too expensive.

We also still enjoy Tripe and Pigs Trotters with vinegar and Ducks (not the waddling sort) - lovely and very cheap. Have gone off the cold fish (unsold portions from the Fish-shop which we were given next day) and then warmed up for dinner.

And we never knew we were poor - sat in candlelight because we had no money for the meter.

I could go on .......

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 08:02 AM

*Crowsister, the "pressed pig's head" bit answers your question about what it is!

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 07:57 AM

God, I love it.

Spread it on hot toast, that's my advice. Take ot out of the fridge for a bit first. I've also had it as a starter at The Stagg at Titley where they called it pressed pig's head - it was baked and served with caramelised onion puree.

I guess you can tell it's nice if it tastes good - the richer and more savoury the better, really.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 07:54 AM

The butcher when I asked exactly what it was, was almost shifty about evading the question..

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 07:49 AM

I bought some brawn a while back, it tasted ... yuck!
How can you tell if brawn is good brawn, and what do you do with it/eat it with?

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 07:25 AM

Hayman's butchers in Sidmouth do some lovely Bath Chaps, Giok. And their brawn is not to be sniffed at, either.




As it were.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: GREEN WELLIES
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 06:42 AM

I'm actually going to visit in-laws this weekend in Bath , shall I bring handles.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 06:11 AM

I am very fond of Bath Chaps Which are pig's cheeks, which can be brined and cured, or cubed and turned into a deliciou8s stew.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: GUEST,Chris Murray
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 04:55 AM

Lizzie, most of us do have fathers and some of those fathers fought in various wars and saw some horrible things. You can't compare one father's experiences with another.

I too am rather fascinated by the bath handles.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 04:15 AM

Oh fer, f*ck's sake, Dave...grow up, there's a dear.

Go pick your nose or something. Do *anything* but carry on this insane witch hunt of yours.

You'll feel much happier for it, and so will your nose.

Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 03:25 AM

Yup, well about the only thing my Father ever said to me about the war was "It's a terrible thing to kill people, Liz"....

I don't doubt what your father said for one minute - but I always thought that Lizzie was not your real name.

How come your Dad was calling you the diminutive of a name you invented?

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 11:18 PM

I know you may not think so at times, Lizzie, but we all have Fathers you know:-)

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 06:26 PM

Tell us about Vi Lizzie, tell us about Vi. Please. Pretty please.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 06:21 PM

Yup, well about the only thing my Father ever said to me about the war was "It's a terrible thing to kill people, Liz"....and he lived with that horror all his life.

He lived with it, for us....in the hope that life would improve and that people would start being kind to one another.

I don't use my father to 'make a point'....I talk about him because I know exactly how he'd feel about so many things that are going on right now....He was a man of utter honesty and integrity, and this world, this country and the people who run it, be they politicians or Corporate Crooks would horrify him.

So, please, have your own opinions by all means, but do NOT tell me that I am not allowed to talk about my Dearest Dad. It's Dad who brings out my tears, who makes my voice shake with rage and upset about all that's going on right now...and it's my Dad who gives me strength.

Because of him, I am a free person, free to express myself in whatever way I so choose, as are you.

And yes, David.....Love IS all you need, actually....but sadly the world hasn't woken up to that fact yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 02:33 PM

Brilliant! I wish I could have thought of that one. Once you have changed the argument multiple times to avoid fcing the issues you can always rely on the good old favourites.

All together now...

All you need is love (da da da da daa)
All you need is love (da da da da daa)
All you need is love, love.
Love is all you need.

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Ooh, yes please, cut my wages back! ?
From: GUEST,Mary Brennan
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 02:22 PM

And you have no knowledge of mine. He was a deeply religious man and I don't know how he managed to reconcile his faith with the fact that he had to kill people. He was very proud, very patriotic and I won't use his memory to make a point.