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Live recording?

Mr Happy 27 Nov 09 - 08:21 AM
MGM·Lion 27 Nov 09 - 08:26 AM
Mr Happy 27 Nov 09 - 08:32 AM
Sugwash 27 Nov 09 - 08:39 AM
MGM·Lion 27 Nov 09 - 08:41 AM
Mr Happy 27 Nov 09 - 08:53 AM
MGM·Lion 27 Nov 09 - 09:01 AM
Nick 27 Nov 09 - 09:02 AM
MGM·Lion 27 Nov 09 - 09:03 AM
GUEST,Goth necro folkie 27 Nov 09 - 09:37 AM
Jack Blandiver 27 Nov 09 - 10:02 AM
Leadfingers 27 Nov 09 - 10:33 AM
Will Fly 27 Nov 09 - 10:33 AM
GUEST,Russ 27 Nov 09 - 11:02 AM
Darowyn 27 Nov 09 - 01:01 PM
Stringsinger 27 Nov 09 - 01:10 PM
michaelr 27 Nov 09 - 01:12 PM
Tim Leaning 27 Nov 09 - 02:05 PM
stallion 28 Nov 09 - 12:14 PM
olddude 28 Nov 09 - 12:30 PM
GUEST,John Titor 12 Sep 16 - 07:26 PM
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Subject: Live recording?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 08:21 AM

Some albums are labelled 'Live' - what's this mean?


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Subject: RE: Live recording?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 08:26 AM

It means recorded during an actual performance in front of an ordinary paying audience, rather than in a studio with possibility of retakes &c.


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Subject: RE: Live recording?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 08:32 AM

So a recording in a studio isn't live?


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Subject: RE: Live recording?
From: Sugwash
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 08:39 AM

Ah well, sometimes an artist will say the the album was recorded "live in the studio", by which they tend to mean performed as if 'live' in front of an audience, but in the studio. So no multitracking, overdubs etc.


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Subject: RE: Live recording?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 08:41 AM

Well, when you are in the studio you are not dead, certainly. I think it is short for "recorded in front of a live audience", rather than implying a state of decease within a studio context.


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Subject: RE: Live recording?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 08:53 AM

Similarly, the label 'acoustic' is used.

If it's a recording, how can it be acoustic?


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Subject: RE: Live recording?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 09:01 AM

I think that refers to use of acoustic, rather than directly amplified, instruments.


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Subject: RE: Live recording?
From: Nick
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 09:02 AM

One of the defintitions of acoustic is

"Designed to carry sound or to aid in hearing."

That's what a recording is isn't it?


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Subject: RE: Live recording?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 09:03 AM

"Acoustic', of a guitar, means non-electric, i.e. not plugged into its own amplifier.


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Subject: RE: Live recording?
From: GUEST,Goth necro folkie
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 09:37 AM

Permit me to widen and further complicate this 'lively' pontification
by introducing the sonic industry concept
of "Dead Acoustics"


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Subject: RE: Live recording?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 10:02 AM

I often use the suffix LIVE to indicate that the final mix of particular piece was realised in REAL TIME using the software programme Ableton Live which is designed for performance. Such a piece I did yesterday - in which the various instrumental parts were done separately but that particular version of the piece was mixed as a real-time performance using Ableton.

See HERE for further details & download info.

Musicians of my generation (& younger) tend not to draw too many lines between performance & recording having been raised as much on Musique Concrete as the archive recordings of Harry Cox. I'm just as happily singing a traditional ballad accompanying myself on a laptop computer as I am using a fiddle.

I think I'd be quite happy recording with a wax cylinder too - a real live acoustic recording machine!


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Subject: RE: Live recording?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 10:33 AM

Went to see 'Fairport Acoustic' some years back - They just DIDNT have Dave Mattocks with them on Drums !


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Subject: RE: Live recording?
From: Will Fly
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 10:33 AM

If you're listening to something via a recording or broadcast medium - cassette, CD, vinyl, radio, DVD - it's ALL modified in some way or other. By the recording and playback technology of mics, amplifiers, transmitters, speakers - unplugged or electric, "live" or in a recording situation.

You could say that the only truly "acoustic" sound is that transmitted directly to your ear with nothing in between but air...


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Subject: RE: Live recording?
From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 11:02 AM

If we change the definition of "live performance" or even abandon it altogether, then at some point, when we decide that we want to distinuish various types of musical events linguistically , we'll just have to come up with a new term.

Russ (permanent GUEST)


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Subject: RE: Live recording?
From: Darowyn
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 01:01 PM

"Live" or "Acoustic" are examples of those terms which are used as either inclusive or exclusive definitions.
Those who believe in exclusive definitions will rule as outside the definition, any performance in which the slightest aspect of recorded material or sound reinforcement is present.
Those who believe in inclusiveness, will count as live any performance which is capable of being performed live, even if it was, in this particular case, not performed to a live audience. Similarly an acoustic ensemble might include some amplified instruments, or use sound reinforcement.
The difference seems to be intrinsic to the particular personality types who clash here so often. As the song says, "mostly saying hooray for our side."
Purely as a personal observation, I would count miming to a backing track onstage as a live appearance, but not as a live performance, and would not feel any reluctance to hear an acoustic act which included bass guitar or simulated acoustic piano produced by an electronic keyboard. I would also far rather hear them through a good P.A. than not be able to hear their unamplified efforts at all.
Cheers
Dave


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Subject: RE: Live recording?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 01:10 PM

Some "live" albums are made when the audience applause is "flown in" by the engineer.
Also, "live" albums can be edited where the "clams" are removed.

As to so-called "acoustic" guitars that are plugged in by a direct box, they don't sound natural like real acoustic guitars. The closest you'll get to that through amplification is
with a good condensor unidirectional mic.


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Subject: RE: Live recording?
From: michaelr
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 01:12 PM

This thread is a wind-up, folks.


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Subject: RE: Live recording?
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 02:05 PM

Damn and I was waiting for the fireworks


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Subject: RE: Live recording?
From: stallion
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 12:14 PM

It is interesting though, Having done the lay one track down at a time, record in a sudio one song one take, and recorded live at a festival. Just didn't get on with the first, ron sang his part, then i sang mine and then martin sang his, didn't enjoy it, lasted two songs then we reverted to singing one song all the way through with three voices, much better. When we listened to the live recording I thought it was much better than the studio stuff, more bounce and intonation had a few glitches with forgotten lyrics but i thought song for song it was better. A friend once said she was exhausted having worked non stop for six weeks on a new cd with all of six tracks on it. It sounds lovely but six weeks. Maybe I ought to make distinction between "this is my artwork" and "this is us"


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Subject: RE: Live recording?
From: olddude
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 12:30 PM

I figure all of mine are live, since I don't know how to play then go back and sing and have to do it all at the same time it must be live. and I haven't figured out how to dink with anything but the reverb which I tend to put too much on as I sing it must be live. But most certainly because the pain in my back hurts right now a lot so I figure I must be a live cause if I was dead it probably won't hurt ...


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Subject: RE: Live recording?
From: GUEST,John Titor
Date: 12 Sep 16 - 07:26 PM

From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 11:02 AM

If we change the definition of "live performance" or even abandon it altogether, then at some point, when we decide that we want to distinuish various types of musical events linguistically , we'll just have to come up with a new term.

"présence saillante"?


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