Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide

Subject: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Mick Tems
Date: 29 Nov 09 - 09:30 AM

At least 60 prominent South Australians have lobbied British Prime Minister Gordon Brown to save the historic clipper The City Of Adelaide, which now lies in Irvine, southwest of Glasgow.

Website: http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,26378404-5006301,00.html

I was alerted on The City Of Adelaide's plight by Chris Roche, expert shantyman and ex-leader of The Shanty Crew. Please save her before it's too late.

Mick Tems

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Bainbo
Date: 29 Nov 09 - 10:14 AM

There's also a campaign running in Sunderland, in North East England, where the ship was built, to have it brought back there. But time's running out - it could be dismantled any day now.

At the moment, campaigners in England and Australia are working together to try to save it, as that's the priority. They can sort out later which of them has the greater claim to it.

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Dead Horse
Date: 29 Nov 09 - 11:29 AM

I saw a prog on tv yesterday about art and architecture which said that when the new Glasgow Transport Museum is built the Adelaide would be moored there as a showpiece.
Has this fallen through?
Link did not work for me, so will search further.

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 29 Nov 09 - 07:35 PM

Hi, Mick.
More info at http://cityofadelaide.org.au/ .

This has been a long and very sad saga. Renamed the "Carrick", the former "City of Adelaide" was moored at the head of the Broomielaw (the highest point reachable on the Clyde by vessels of this size, right in the centre of Glasgow) throughout my childhood and well into the '70s, as the floating clubhouse of the Royal Naval Reserve. Still had masts and rigging then, hull painted black and white, a sight to look out for on bus trips into the city. My brother's final year Vet School Banquet was held on board. Some time after that the RNR people gave or sold the vessel to a youth charity who moved it down river to one of the abandoned commercial docks (and out of the public eye). There the hull was allowed to decay to the point where she settled to the bottom of the dock. Eventually she was raised and moved to a repair ramp beside the then new Scottish Maritime Museum at Irvine. There all modern additions were stripped out, including the grand spiral staircase that had been added during its RNR days. I saw it at that stage, basically an empty hulk with no superstructure, masts or rigging, so full of holes it wouldn't even make a decent sieve.

Nevertheless the internal space was amazing. The hull was a thin shell of wood on a helical braced steel structure reminiscent of Barnes Wallis's airframe designs - extremely light, with no intervening bulkheads as in a traditional wooden hull. There was a viewing deck to allow you to see this much, but further public access was not allowed. Plans at that stage were to weatherproof and seal the hull, merely to preserve the existing remains.

Later plans were developed to reinstate the ship to full sailing capability. I gather that money promised for this project never materialised, and the amount laid out by the museum to kick-start things nearly brought the organisation to bankruptcy. The cost of just keeping the weather off the hull has brought demolition threats before. In view of the recent destruction to the Cutty Sark, such an end to the "City of Adelaide" would be a disgrace to this country's maritime heritage.

Ross

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 29 Nov 09 - 07:43 PM

Text from the above link:-



STUART INNES

November 21, 2009 12:01am

MORE than 60 prominent South Australians have signed an open letter to British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, calling on him to save the historic ship City of Adelaide.

The group is a who's who of the SA business and political world - former and current state governors Sir Eric Neal and Rear Admiral Kevin Scarce have signed up, along with mining magnate Robert de Crespigny and politicians including Senator Nick Minchin and a number of his state and federal colleagues.

The group is trying to save the ship, which is the oldest clipper of its type in the world. It is currently sitting on a slipway in Scotland and is at imminent risk of destruction.

"The Scottish Maritime Museum is closing tenders on Monday for the destruction of the ship," Save the Clipper City of Adelaide group member Peter Christopher said.

The ship was important in world maritime history and also in British-South Australian colonial history, he said.
Read the open letter here

The letter of appeal delivered yesterday to Mr Brown was aimed at "stopping the desecration of such an important artefact," Mr Christopher said.

The Scottish Maritime Museum does not have the funds to preserve and move the ship and the owner of land on which it sits is proceeding with a housing development. The letter to Mr Brown sets out the plight, saying the ship is a "vital icon" and important in the relationship between Britain and its Australian colonies.

"The City of Adelaide is one of the most important historic vessels in the UK and every effort should be made to ensure the future of the vessel," the letter says.

It warns that the eyes of the world will be on Britain for the 2010 Tall Ships Races and the 2012 Olympics and "your actions in protecting the world heritage with which you have been entrusted" will be followed closely by Australians and the international maritime community.

The letter has also been signed by yachtsman Sir James Hardy, former federal ministers and international envoys Robert Hill and Alexander Downer, University of SA chancellor Dr Ian Gould, former premier and History Council of SA president John Bannon and current and former local government mayors, including Michael Harbison, Steve Condous and Joy Baluch.

Mr Christopher said the UK Government could move the ship out of harm's way in a preserved state for less than $1 million, or buy the section of land it sits on.

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 29 Nov 09 - 09:01 PM

The text of the open letter, 20th November, 2009:-

Open Letter

To the Prime Minister and People of the United Kingdom,
        

20 November 2009
The historic clipper ship City of Adelaide

You are entrusted with a historic ship of undoubted international significance. The 'City of Adelaide' is an extraordinarily important part of our common heritage. As the only surviving sailing ship built to give regular passenger and cargo service between Europe and Australia, she represents a whole foundation era of Australian economic and social history. It is difficult to imagine a more vital icon of the making of modern Australia, and of the relationship between Britain and the Australian colonies.

In the 1800s, thousands of European migrants made the long and arduous voyage to Australia. They all came by sea, many to establish a new life. It was a trade involving hundreds of ships from convict transports to gold rush clippers. Despite its pivotal role in the development of the country, the only significant remaining heritage of this ship trade is the 'City of Adelaide'.

The 'City of Adelaide' was purpose built to serve the passenger trade. For a quarter of a century, the clipper played an important role in the development of the colony of South Australia. She carried all classes of passengers from the rich to the poor, from people 'of substance', to government assisted emigrants. Her first class cabins were considered to be the finest of the sailing ship era. Today their descendents living in South Australia number in the hundreds of thousands.

On annual outward voyages to Adelaide she carried goods needed for the colony's development and survival. On return voyages to London, she would carry South Australian produce including copper and wool. The 'City of Adelaide' made more visits to the fledgling colony than any other vessel before or since.

We are a relatively young nation. In 2011, Adelaide, the capital of South Australia, will be celebrating its 175th birthday, the Royal Australian Navy will celebrate its 100th year, and the clipper ship 'City of Adelaide' will be 147 years old. She therefore represents a unique and tangible link to our colonial past.

Presently the 'City of Adelaide' sits on a slipway in Scotland and is in the way of a housing development. That there are now plans to spend considerable funds to demolish the historic ship in order to clear the site causes great alarm and dismay.

HRH the Duke of Edinburgh has highlighted that much effort and concentration is lavished on the preservation of great and historic buildings. The same cannot be said for historic ships … The coming of the machine age put an end to thousands of years of wooden sail-driven ships. The 'City of Adelaide' is one of the most important historic vessels in the United Kingdom and every effort should be made to ensure the future of the vessel.

We especially urge the people of the United Kingdom to ensure that this grand lady of the days of sail is not demolished and broken into pieces. We write to assure you that as the eyes of the world switch to the United Kingdom for the 2010 Tall Ship Races and the 2012 London Olympics your actions in protecting the world heritage with which you are entrusted will be followed closely by the Australian community, and indeed by that of the international maritime community.

Yours sincerely,

His Excellency Rear Admiral Kevin Scarce AC CSC RANR Governor of South Australia, Patron Clipper Ship 'City of Adelaide' Preservation Trust.

The Hon Robert (Bob) Hawke AC, 23rd Prime Minister of Australia, former president Australian Council of Trade Unions, born in South Australia.

The Hon Alexander Downer, former and longest-serving Foreign Minister of Australia, United Nations Special Envoy to Cyprus, born and still living in Adelaide.

The Hon Robert Hill, Chair Australian Carbon Trust, United States Studies Centre Adjunct Professor in Sustainability, former Australian Ambassador to the United Nations, former Australian Defence Minister, former Australian Minister for the Environment and Heritage, former Senator for South Australia, Adelaide boy.

Lady Anne Miller, Chief Royal Caledonian Society of South Australia.

Sir James Hardy KBE OBE, yachtsman, businessman and community leader.

Sir Eric Neal AC CVO, Chancellor Flinders University, former Governor of South Australia, Australian Centenary Medal, US Department of Defence Medal, former Chair Coral Sea Commemorative Council, former Australian Chair and International Trustee Duke of Edinburgh's Award, yachtsman.

The Hon John William von Doussa QC, Chancellor University of Adelaide, former President of the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission, former Judge of the Federal Court of Australia.

Dr. Ian Gould, Chancellor University of South Australia, Chair Australian Institute of Marine Science, Chair South Australian Minerals and Petroleum Expert Group, Chair CSIRO Mineral Resources Sector Advisory Committee, former Managing Director-Australia CRA/Rio Tinto Group.

Robert Champion de Crespigny AC, Deputy Chairman Said Business School Development Board (Oxford University), 2002 South Australian of the Year, founder and former Executive Chairman Normandy Mining Ltd., former Chairman Economic Development Board of South Australia, former Chancellor University of Adelaide.

The Hon Dr Basil Hetzel AC, National Trust Living Treasure, former Lieutenant Governor of South Australia, 2009 Pollin Prize in Paediatric Research (USA), Hawke Centre Inaugural Chair and Patron, Honorary Professor Tianjin Medical University (China), Prince Mahidol Award (Thailand), RSL ANZAC Peace Prize, former Chancellor University of South Australia.

Jack Mundey AO, National Trust Living Treasure, Chair Historic Houses Trust of New South Wales, Life Member Australian Conservation Foundation.

Julian Burnside AO QC, National Trust Living Treasure, barrister, human rights and refugee advocate, author, 2004 Human Rights Law Award, 2007 Australian Peace Prize, Patron and Chair of numerous arts organisations.

Rick Allert AO, Chairman Australian Tourism Commission.

Robert Foord, Chairman South Australian Tourism Commission.

Anita Aspinall AM, President National Trust of South Australia, Director Australian Council of National Trusts, inaugural Mayor Adelaide Hills Council, former Mayor District Council of Stirling, former Chair McLaren Vale Water Allocation Committee, Australian Centenary Medal.

Professor Geoffrey Bolton AO, former Chancellor Murdoch University, Fellow of the Royal Historical Society (London).

Professor Tom Griffiths, Australian National University, joint winner Prime Minister's Prize for Australian History 2008.

Professor Rob Morrison OAM, Flinders University, South Australian Senior Australian of the Year 2008.

Dr. John Bach AM, Chair Australian Netherlands Committee on Old Dutch Shipwrecks, former President Australian Association for Maritime History.

Nuala Hafner, media personality, Seven Networks 'Sunrise' Entertainment Editor, co-winner 2001 SA Tourism Award, "Youth Plus" Mentor, National Youth Week Ambassador, former Adelaide girl.

Rob Gehling FRINA, Secretary and past President of Royal Institution of Naval Architects Australian Division, Chairman International Maritime Organisation's Sub-Committee on Stability and Load Lines and on Fishing Vessel Safety, former Adelaide and Port Augusta boy.

Neil Baird, founder, Chairman and Editor-in-Chief Baird Publications Group (one of world's leading maritime publishers and exhibition organisers), Chairman Australian Marine Environment Protection Association, former director Australian Shipbuilders Association, former director Australian Maritime Network.

Liz Hay, Chief Executive Officer, Australian Shipbuilders Association, Chief Executive Officer Australian Ship Repairers Group.

Trevor Powell, Chief Port Adelaide Caledonian Society, President Scottish Associations of South Australia.

Tom Chapman, former Chairman of the SA Community Services Committee for Jubilee150 and the Australian Bicentenary celebrations, National President Apex Australia, President of World Council of Young Men's Service Clubs, descendant of passengers on the 'City of Adelaide'.

Peter Roberts, Naval Architect, Program Manager Future Projects ASC Pty. Ltd. (former Australian Submarine Corporation), descendant of passengers on the 'City of Adelaide'.
        

The Right Hon. The Lord Mayor of City of Adelaide, Mr Michael Harbison.

Professor Alfred Huang AM, University of South Australia, former Patron Clipper Ship 'City of Adelaide' Preservation Trust, former Lord Mayor of City of Adelaide 2000-2003, South Australian Special Envoy to China.

The Hon Jane Lomax-Smith MP, Member for Adelaide, Minister for the City of Adelaide, former Lord Mayor of City of Adelaide 1997-2000.

Steve Condous, former Lord Mayor of City of Adelaide 1987-1993, businessman, former MP Member for Colton.

Wendy Chapman AM, former Lord Mayor of City of Adelaide 1983-1985, inaugural Chairman of South Australian Tourism Industry Council, Jubliee150 Board, Formula 1 Grand Prix Board, Tourism Advisory Board of South Australia, State Government Heritage Committee.

His Worship, the Mayor of the City of Port Adelaide Enfield, Mr Gary Johanson, (main trading port where 'City of Adelaide' disembarked and embarked passengers and cargo, and was twice repaired on Fletcher's Slip).

Her Worship the Mayor of the City of Port Augusta, Joy Baluch AM, (colonial port where 'City of Adelaide' collected wool and copper for export).

His Worship the Mayor of the City of Playford, Mr Martin Lindsell, Vice President Scottish Associations of South Australia.

The Hon John Bannon, President History Council of South Australia, former Premier of South Australia.

The Hon Mark Butler MP, Federal Member for Port Adelaide.

Senator the Hon Nick Minchin, Australian Senate.

Senator Simon Birmingham, Australian Senate.

Senator Anne McEwen, Australian Senate.

Senator Don Farrell, Australian Senate.

Senator John Williams, Australian Senate.

Senator Mary Jo Fisher, Australian Senate.

The Hon Jack Snelling MP, Speaker of the South Australian House of Assembly.

Tom Kenyon MP, Member for Newland.

Dr. Duncan McFetridge MP, Shadow Minister for Health, former Shadow Minister for the Arts.

Frances Bedford MP, Member for Florey.

Vice Admiral David Shackleton RAN, AO, former Chief of Navy 1999-2002, Commander in the U.S Legion of Merit, joined Royal Australian Navy from Adelaide in 1966.

Malcolm Kinnaird AC, former Chairman Young Endeavour Youth Scheme, 2003 South Australian of the Year, inaugural appointee South Australian Engineers Hall of Fame.

Bill Muirhead, South Australian Agent General in London, founding Director M&C Saatchi, former Chairman Saatchi & Saatchi Europe, former Chief Executive and President Saatchi & Saatchi Advertising Worldwide.

Peter Wylie, Chairman of Advertiser Newspapers Pty Ltd. (customer of the 'City of Adelaide' in the 1860s-1880s).

Dr Hans J. Ohff, Engineer and Historian, Visiting Research Fellow Adelaide University, former Managing Director Australian Submarine Corporation (ASC) and Chairman of the Australian Shipbuilding Industry Ltd (ASI).

Angelo Kotses, Managing Director Bickfords Australia (customer of the 'City of Adelaide' in the 1860s-1880s).

Glenn Cooper, fifth generation brewing Cooper, Marketing Director and Executive Chairman Coopers Brewery (est. 1862), former Chairman Adelaide Fringe Committee, Chairman of the Adelaide Convention and Tourism Authority, former Chairman Adelaide Festival Centre Foundation.

Dr Tim Cooper AM, fifth generation brewing Cooper, Managing Director Coopers Brewery (est. 1862).

Steven Trigg, Chief Executive Officer, Adelaide Football Club.

Mark Haysman, Chief Executive Officer, Port Adelaide Football Club.

Les Burdett OAM, Adelaide Oval Manager.

Darren Lehman, former first-class Australian cricketer, former Captain South Australian Cricket Team, former Captain Yorkshire County Cricket Club.

Srikantan Ramamurthy, founder Srikantan Ramamurthy Cricket Collection, B.E.Mech, MIE(Aust), CPEng(Aust), ASME(New York), former shipbuilder.

Heather Southcott AM, President United Nations Association of Australia SA Division, former South Australian House of Assembly Member for Mitcham.

Bruce Stannard AM, writer, publisher and Australian maritime historian.

Eric Bogle AM, folk singer-songwriter.

Mark Gilbert, co-Managing Director Aztec Analysis, heavy lift specialist.

Richard Smith, Project Director, client representative on major construction projects, former Commodore Royal South Australian Yacht Squadron.

Peter Christopher, maritime historian, author, diver and shipwreck authority, former Councillor of the Australian Institute of Maritime Archaeology.

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Mick Tems
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 02:51 PM

All these prominent Australians have joined forces to protest at the imminent disappearance of a historic clipper - and especially Eric Bogle! Perhaps he could write a hard-hitting song about City Of Adelaide's plight. Are you there, Eric?

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: GUEST,beachcomber
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 04:17 PM

Please, please let the "City of Adelaide" be saved.
People hereabouts love to see the Topsail Schooner "Kathleen & May" arrive every year on her visit. She means so much historically to this area.
I can just imagine the emotions that so beautiful a sailing vessel as a Full Ship would arouse in either her home port or the town/city of the yard where she was built.
Such ships , in my opinion at any rate, were the epitome of beauty as a means of transport.

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 07:42 PM

Visiting Sydney a couple of years ago, I met one of the people who had been involved in the restoration of the "James Craig", for some years now a feature on the Darling Harbour waterfront and out sailing the waters of Sydney Harbour and beyond.

Round about the time the "Great Britain" was being recovered from its South Atlantic resting place to Bristol, and appeals for financing were generating great interest in the UK, a group of maritime enthusiasts in Sydney heard a talk on the "James Craig", then a hulk beached in Recherche Bay, Tasmania, from a visiting American marine archaeologist. He indicated very firmly that if there was no local interest in recovering and restoring the vessel, there were several museums on the American Pacific coast with the interest and the deep pockets necessary for such a project. This galvanized the Sydney group into action, the hulk was re-floated in 1972 and brought back to Sydney in 1981.

The organization were given a licence to run raffles to fund the project. (The same method was used to fund the cost over-runs on Sydney Opera House). Serious prizes generated serious interest, and the location of the restoration site in Black-Wattle Bay ensured a high visibility throughout the long project. The road that passes by the dock was renamed "James Craig Drive" in the ship's honour.

With full sailing capability since 2001, the ship has joined the Sydney Heritage Fleet and is a prominent feature on the harbour on high days and holidays, occasional winner of the Tall Ships Race in Sydney Harbour's Australia Day celebrations. Their regular shanty-man is John Warner, who with other members of the Roaring Forties hosts a monthly gathering of sea-song and shanty enthusiasts aboard the vessel just next to Sydney's National Maritime Museum on Darling Harbour, Pyrmont.

It can be done!

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Charley Noble
Date: 30 Nov 09 - 09:18 PM

I well remember being part of the first shanty session aboard the James Craig. The volunteer crew had learned something about sailing but hardly anything about singing sea songs. The Roaring Forties knew little about sailing but they were (and are) great shanty singers. It was really a wonderful evening and I'm pleased that the sea music sessions are still held, and that the Craig is actually sailed.

It can be done!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 01 Dec 09 - 02:31 AM

Forties on the James Craig

Mudcatters on the James Craig

Tom of the 40s has sailed on a tall ship - I can't remember if it was the Duyfken or the Endeavour.

James Craig

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Dec 09 - 09:03 AM

Sandra-

Lovely pictures!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 05:27 PM

Thanks for the pictures, Sandra.

More info from Wikipedia - a bit more accurate and detailed than my personal recollections above -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Adelaide_(1864)

Ross

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 05:52 PM

A proposal for conversion into a building (maybe not so daft - the vessel already has "listed building" status.

Ross

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 05:55 PM

I should have added that there is an extensive gallery of pictures at the last site link.

Ross

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 05:58 PM

Sunderland City of Adelaide Recovery Foundation

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 07:56 PM

Ship History. More info, including appeals to UK Prime Minister George Brown and Scottish First Minister Alec Salmond and their respective responses.

Ross

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 11:23 PM

The UK e-petition to save the "City of Adelaide" is open till 14 October 2010 - not sure how that works if a contract for demolition is accepted in the meantime. Sign up here:- http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Save-Our-Ship/

Ross

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Rowan
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 09:39 PM

All power to your collective elbows.

I was playing on the Great Sydney Ferry Race when the James Craig was welcomed into Sydney Harbour for restoration and it was a grand sight. At the time I was one of the Melbourne shantymen who assisted in the restoration of the Alma Doepel in Melbourne's docklands. It was only when I moved to the New England that I found out she'd been built at 'the bottom of the hill' (on the Bellinger River near Bellingen); a member of the trainee tour guide class I was teaching was a descendant of the Doepels and showed the class over the Doepel house at Repton, on the mouth of the Bellinger.

Heritage ships need proper respect, especially from places and institutions that grew into what they are now on their spars and timbers.

Cheers, Rowan

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Charley Noble
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 07:54 AM

Rowan-

Thanks for spotlighting the Alma Doepel . I hadn't run across her before. She is certainly reminiscent of the coastal schooners that were based here in Maine during the 19th century. Amazing that she somehow survived.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 09:25 AM

One is reminded somehow of The Ship of Theseus, which although set up as a philosophical paradox becomes a tidy indication of process and continuity in terms of function. A wee bit like Paddy's Hammer - he's had it for fifty years, and in all that time it's had three new heads and five new shafts, but it's still the same hammer...

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 10:40 PM

My brother has suggested that virtually none of Nelson's "Victory" is original, on-going repair programs over the years having replaced the bulk of the structure. Removal of now-failing 1970's repairs from the "Great Britain" will involve removal of more original material. "Restoration" of a ship in the state of the "City of Adelaide" would cost more than a new-build copy, and destroy more of the remaining structure. To make her sailable and passenger-friendly (even for enclosed harbour waters, never mind open sea), would involve modern additions that would inevitably compromise the authenticity of the completed vessel.

Nevertheless, I would rather see the ship preserved in its complete state than see it broken up, however forensic a deconstruction is stipulated in the demolition contract. The contract proposals were worded so that complete removal from the slip to a floating barge is a possibility, open to either the Sunderland or Adelaide groups interested in taking on the ship for their own purposes.

Ross

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: GUEST,pauline andrews
Date: 06 Dec 09 - 05:46 AM

when the carrick arrived in irvine my mum was one of the first people to greet it and welcome it to its new home. in 1996 she and my step dad got married on board the vessel, it was a day that i will never forget, the ship was amazing and thought of being on board (even though it was on a dry dock) it was so special. sadly my mum passed away 4 years ago. i would love to see the ship took home to someone who would show it the love and respect the clipper deserves, i would hate to see it destroyed, i wish something could be done.

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Pistachio
Date: 06 Dec 09 - 10:39 AM

Sorry I'm late to this thread.

Great info Ross, Thanks for all the links. I wish I'd picked this up last week when my Mum came to visit. She mentioned the City of Adelaide and showed me a newspaper cutting - I didn't dream it would be on MUDCAT - but I guess I should have known better!

My Dad was a member of the RNVR and in 1974 my family celebrated my brother's 21st birthday and other family gatherings aboard 'The Carrick'.

Hazel.

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 11:29 PM

1860s ship will return to Adelaide

One of the oldest clipper ships in the world will be returned to South Australia from Scotland.

The City of Adelaide was built in 1864 and carried passengers from the UK to South Australia, but since 2000 it has been rotting on a slipway in Scotland.

A local action group has visited the clipper several times and this week learnt the Scottish Government had accepted their bid to move it to Adelaide.

Peter Christopher from the City of Adelaide Action Group says it marks an important phase in the state's past.

"It's bigger than a jumbo jet," he said.

"To actually be on board and realise that a couple of hundred people spent three or four months on this ship coming to or from Australia is something that will be really meaningful.

"It will allow, for example, young kids and others to actually go on and actually touch, walk on a ship that was built in 1864, that carried perhaps their ancestors to South Australia."

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 03:30 AM

I am very pleased to hear that Sandra, I can remember seeing her on the occasions I went to the Folk Festival in Irvine. Her ties historically are far greater to Australia than Britain, so it is more fitting that she makes the journey southward to be restored and brought back to life.

Subject: RE: Arrival of historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 05 Feb 14 - 03:10 PM

Arrival of historic ship The City Of Adelaide.

So glad to finally see this. All credit to the people of Adelaide who recognized the value of this unique vessel and who worked so hard to bring her "home". Good luck for the future - still a long way to the completion of their plans.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/city-of-adelaide-clipper-ship-finally-arrives-home-in-adelaide/story-e6frg6n6-1226816199173

Ross

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 05 Feb 14 - 09:28 PM

Wonderful news!

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Feb 14 - 03:00 AM

Very pleased to hear the news, I am so glad to hear that she has been saved and I most certainly will make the effort to visit the ship on my next trip to Australia.

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: GUEST,sandra in sydney till cookiless
Date: 06 Feb 14 - 04:13 AM

thanks for posting this, Ross

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 06 Feb 14 - 09:42 PM

Just found out by accident, Sandra. Somebody posted details to "Historic Ship Geeks" (sic) on Facebook. See PM.

Ross

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Dennis the Elder
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 12:18 AM

Good to see the "City of Adelaide" back where it's hood be. It was moored on a pontoon type thing in lock no 1 in the docks at Port Adelaide. Let's hope that there is enough money to restore it to it's former glory as nothing above the hull remains.

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 04:24 AM

We stumbled upon it last Autumn whilst driving from the ferry at Arran down to Ayr. Went right down the coast including Irvine and came upon lots of workmen manoeuvering this big hulk of a vessel on to a big flat container vessel. Watched for an hour or so

Subject: RE: Save historic ship The City Of Adelaide
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 09:36 AM

Allan, I'm amazed that the removal process wasn't featured on national (UK) news at the time. If it was, I completely missed it.
For a ship that is equivalent in historical value to the Cutty Sark, the treatment of the Carrick/City of Adelaide by successive UK and Scottish governments has been nothing short of scandalous. At least now she appears to be in the hands of people with the vision and hopefully the deep pockets to bring the vessel the attention she deserves.

Ross