BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 09:47 AM

Peter, you need to consider that the gay community is very much smaller than the straight and that, as in Britain, immigrants from outside Europe are changing the balance.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 09:49 AM

Just a quickie to say I've logged back on.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 09:51 AM

Re my last, obviously not changing gay/straight balance, but infection rate among gay/straight.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 09:53 AM

Peter, you need to consider that the gay community is very much smaller than the straight and that, as in Britain, immigrants from outside Europe are changing the balance.

Yes, that horse has been flogged quite extensively. In the Irish situation though, it's young people and women who take the lion's share of new infections. Not the immigrants or the gay community.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 09:55 AM

... Coming over here ... bringing their AIDS ... raping our men ...


Gay immigration ... Ake's gonna love this!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 12:04 PM

Peter's statistics are themselves very selective, in that they do not even mention homosexual infections, which in percentage of population, are the highest in any demographic, perhaps with the exception of African immigrants to the UK.

Attempting to correlate the "real number" figures for women(who make up more than half the population) with male homosexuals (who comprise 1-2%, is disingenuous.

Under reporting of homosexual infections is a distinct possibility everywhere.....and particularly in Ireland.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 12:40 PM

Peter's statistics are themselves very selective

They are not my statistics I was referring to statistics by the Central Statistics Office of Ireland and the site I linked to were statistics by the United Nations Health survey.

As for selectivity, they are statistics of new infections of HIV in the Republic and nothing else. And as such show that new infections by the homosexual population are outnumbered by those among young people and women. That's what they show and nothing else.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 12:55 PM

So when is ake going to go up in alarm when it comes to HIV infections among women and girls? Surely we deserve as much attention?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 01:00 PM

Well at least Peters stats support his view.

Ake's link says the exact opposite to what Ake thinks.

It states that discrimination and stigma are serious problems which hinder attempts to deal effectively with the AIDS problem.

In other words, we need to confront homophobia.

For example in schools.

Thanks Ake for providing us with such an illuminating link.


As for this ... "Attempting to correlate the "real number" figures for women(who make up more than half the population) with male homosexuals (who comprise 1-2%, is disingenuous."

Well I'm glad you've discovered the word "disingenuous" its just a pity that you haven't mstered iits meaning.


50% of HIV victims worldwide are women.

And as Ake has so cleverly pointed out, around 50% of people are women.


How do those figures correlate?


DUH!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 01:25 PM

Yes Peter, but the figures you quote(I didn't mean to imply that you had made them up), say very little about transmission rates, other than that women and men are almost equally suseptible to new hiv infection.

When the population is broken down into smaller demographics, we see that homosexual men are more than 50 times more likely to be affected than heterosexual men.

This of course affects the male /female infection ratio.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 01:55 PM

50 times more than what exactly? What does that 50 times really mean? The 50 times, for it to mean anything, has to be 50 time more in some real term. So, if you have a 0.01% of getting something and you are now 50 times more likely you then have a 0.5% chance. That is still a small risk than say the chance of you being killed by some other illness.

As a woman on HRT I am 4 times more likely than a woman not on HRT to get a thrombosis. But as the chances of gettinga thrombosis in the first place are so low, then being 4 times more likely is still low risk.

That 50 times more likely - and I am still at a loss as to how that is gauged - may be a high risk or still very low dependant on what it is compared to in the first place.

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So, okay... we lock up all the gay men in chastity devices, to remove them from the dataset and any chance they could be blamed or included in the figures. That's them out of the way....

Now: How do we deal with all the other disease ridden risk takers having free and promiscuous sex? What do we do with those with HIV/AIDS, who are not gay but have got it through sex? How do we start judging them to try and rid the world of being sexually human?

That is why this singling of gay men is so stupid. Because even if they were not involved in the figures, we would still have HIV/AIDS and still have one heck of a health issue on our hands. Gay males are not scapegoats to be used for convenience. Get rid of gay men and we still have the same problem. The only thing that would be solved is with no gay men it would also kill off the homophobe but I have no doubt they would move on to blame someone else.

This is NOT a gay problem. It's a human population health problem.

Going even further back to the start of the thread. Love will be part way to solving the whole thing. Love, respect and acceptance of fellow humans. A common front against the disease itself, in order to find a cure, and an end to the discriminations that lead people to not seek help and advice.

HIV/AIDS will not be got rid of by hatred. It will not be got rid of by what is being called lberalism on this thread. Politicise it all you want but that will not stop it either. We cannot legislate against people having sex so the only end to this will education to try and stop people having unprotected sex, but ultimately finding a cure.

I ask again. What is YOUR solution?

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 02:34 PM

Good analysis, mp.

All of which goes to show that Ake's concern about AIDs rates is nothing but a smokescreen for that fact that he's a foaming-at-the-mouth homophobe, pure and simple.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 02:37 PM

If only one in ten Martians get infected with Jovian Flu, but 3 out of ten Venusians get it, that means Venusians are 3 times more at risk than Martians, or 300% more likely to get it.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 02:41 PM

But, if there were a million Martians and only 100 Venusians, most of the infection would be Martians despite their much lower risk factor.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 02:47 PM

Smoking 25 a day only increases lung cancer risk to 25 times that for a non smoker.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 03:10 PM

Well MP....I dont really have a "solution", but sitting on our arses and pretending everything is fine is not an option.If the hiv figures for women showed that they were 50 times more likely to contract aids than men....the "sisters" would be in open revolt until steps were taken to find out why.

Homosexuality is being presented to the rest of society as being a safe and healthy lifestyle, which it is patently not.

Life expectancy is considerably lower than among heterosexuals...why?
Because homos are at least 50 times more likely to get aids than heteros...why? Because homosexual promiscuity figures...no of sexual partners etc, are much higher than among heterosexuals(if you deny that, please give your reason for the high hiv figure). Why are homosexuals in general so much more promiscuous?...I believe it has to do with the exclusively male hedonistic lifestyle.

If these figures applied to the hetero population, drastic measures would be taken to address them, beginning with a public health enquiry, compulsory testing, maybe even quarantine for certain high risk groups. This has already been tried in Cuba, which has one of the lowest hiv infection rates worldwide.

I'm sure love is a powerful emotion, but against a disease of this nature, it is about as much good as a hip pocket in a shirt!

The "cure" is not to stop having natural sex, if that were the case we would soon become extinct,(not such a bad thing when you look at some of the examples of humanity who post on this thread...eh? :0)
....but rather to start behaving with a sense of responsibility to society and for our actions...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 03:47 PM

Ake is a lying illiterate fuckwit.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 04:02 PM

Like I said:   a foaming-at-the-mouth homophobe.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 04:25 PM

Ya gotta know your hate.

For example in 1950 about 80% of the USA was against INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE.

Today about 40% at most, are against same sex marriage.

Every rational and reasonable argument regarding gay marriage shows that it is simply against our Constitution to deny marriage.

People in their 90's get married so not having kids is not the issue, Besides gay couples have kids in several ways.

Hetero marriage is not diminished by any measure by recognizeing gay marriage.

There are no sound arguments against it EXCEPT ONE.
hate.

Without hate you got nothin.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 04:25 PM

Keith, it comes as no surprise to find you here arguing that AIDS is a gay and a black/immigrant problem. You disgust me. At least Ache is a fairly transparent closet gay self-hater.

I refuse to dignify with a reply, comments on virusmyth.org - a propagandist website for the view that HIV does not cause AIDS. Keith, you should be ashamed of yourself. I suppose you also think that there is no human role in climate change? Or that the world is flat? You going to that site is like you going to migrationwatchh.org for a balanced view on immigration.

Keith: Royston, after a quarter of a century, there has surely been ample time for HIV to cross over to the straight community.
What is your evidence?

The evidence Keith is in the data that 50% of all HIV carriers worldwide are women. That in Africa, HIV affects up to 25% of entire populations (in which you assert that only 1-2% are gay). The evidence is the steadily rising infecion rates amongst women and straight people in the UK and staggering rates of heterosexual infection in Eire (where there is little non-EU immigration).

You see, unless you are a racist or homophobic bigot, it doesn't matter much where people got a disease or what colour they are. The disease is what is important.

Now that HIV is rising quickly amongst straight people living and shagging in the UK, the rate of new infection will increase with more carriers, who will drive the rate of infection higher, increasing the number of carriers...get it yet?

It's what happens in straight communities in Africa, it's what happened to gay communities in 'The West'. It is what will happen in straight communities in The West if people like you and Ache don't start to get the point here.

Now, to the '50 times' thing. I explained this a few days ago but you chose to ignore it and keep banging on with the same tired old possibly true but still pointless statistic.

Let's say that we have population in one place of 200 hedonistic people.

180 of them are straight, 20 of them are gay.

They all secure sexual partners at nightclubs.

The territory has 20 clubs for straight hedonists and 2 clubs for gay hedonists.

Everyone goes out to get laid on a Friday night and the clubs are equally full.

Are either of you starting to get this yet?

Suppose one gay person and one straght person are HIV positive and enter their respective "pools"

Getting it yet?

My mathematical knowledge is not up to the job of calculating the increasing odds for each group but anyone can see how bleedin obvious it is that the infection rate in the smaller but tightly closed group is going to climb far more quickly than in the other group, all other factors (behaviourally) being equal.

This is the accident of comparably "low" heterosexual rates of infection in the UK, because it just so happened the disease emerged in people that don't tend to shag members of the much larger and dispersed "other" group.

Where it emerged in the majority group (Africa) it has been catastrophic to them and far more so than it has been to British homosexuals - 4% of the gay population -v- 25% infection rate in heterosexual populations in Africa.

It is NOT A GAY DISEASE.

How stupid can you two possibly be?

Keith - whisper again - black and white people have sex together. I know, Keith, it's a shock...deep breaths, in and out. It doesn't matter much who got it, where they go it, or what colour they are. The disease is here and infecting more straight people than gay.

So why are we banging on about gay people and "responsibility" for HIV?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:05 PM

Royston.."responsibility" not for hiv, but for their own behaviour which causes the problems I listed above.

And try to calm down y'all....I'm sorry for calling you a numbskull, I don't really think you are....least not compared with Lox n' Don T :0).....but you shouldn't go round sayin' folks are "thick" because they dont agree with you...OK?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:16 PM

Syphilis is a sexually transmitted disease caused by the spirochetal bacterium Treponema pallidum subspecies pallidum. The route of transmission of syphilis is almost always through sexual contact, although there are examples of congenital syphilis via transmission from mother to child in utero.

Like AIDs.

Syphilis is transmitted through and exchange of bodily fluids

Like AIDs.

Transfer of syphilis bacteria can be either prevented or greatly reduced by the use of a condom during sex.

Like AIDs.

From the early sixteenth century when it first manifested itself, syphilis was called the "French disease" in Italy and Germany and the "Italian disease" in France. The Dutch called it the "Spanish disease", the Russians called it the "Polish disease", the Turks called it the "Christian disease" or "Frank disease" (frengi) and the Tahitians called it the "British disease."

In short, blame it on someone you don't like.

Like AIDs.

It is not a "gay disease." It is a venereal disease.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:16 PM

and leave the abuse out with Keith, we dont agree about much politically but he's smart, honest and believes what he says.

He also is not afraid to support his political "enemies" when he thinks they are being attacked unjustly.
He is his own man, not some political automaton unable to think for himself, like many here.

Its time we all started re-assessing our political views if we can't see the right AND the wrong, we haven't really grown up...A

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:22 PM

"Its time we all started re-assessing our political views if we can't see the right AND the wrong, we haven't really grown up."

And on that, Ake, we agree.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mousethief
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:34 PM

Homosexuality is being presented to the rest of society as being a safe and healthy lifestyle, which it is patently not.

You seem to have a hard time distinguishing between homosexuality and unprotected sex. They are not the same. The first is simply a fact about a person or given set of persons. As such it is neither safe not dangerous, except that hate-filled homophobes make it so. The latter is an activity which is very dangerous and foolish no matter who does it. You make a lot of the fact that a lot of people who fall into the category mentioned apparently partake of the activity mentioned. This does not make the category dangerous.

Also between homosexuality which is an innate preference for romantic and/or sexual affiliation with those of one's own sex, and a lifestyle which is a chosen habitual manner of acting. They are not the same. There is no such thing as "the homosexual lifestyle" because different homosexuals have all manner of different lifestyles, having this one thing in common: they are the lifestyles of homosexuals.

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:38 PM

It amuses me no end that so many of you "true men" think I am a "closet homosexual"...you just said that a minute ago Royston...why do you pretend to think that? when my views on homosexual practice are the same as 90% of heteros.
I've had a long marriage, sired four sons and find women...all women, attractive, sexy and interesting.

I'll let all you "true men" into one of lifes little secrets....women dont want a man to be their "bestest friend" or weep on their shoulder.....most women want a man who makes them feel like A WOMAN.

Even Ebbie wouldn't be safe when I was around.....   :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mousethief
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:44 PM

One word, Ake: Rock Hudson.

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Amos
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:46 PM

Hark! The Thief of Mice rings out the clarion voice of reason and clear thought!! All Hail the Thief of Mice!!!



A

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:48 PM

Not as long as I'm alive, ake! :)

Incidentally, ake, marriage, per se, means little. A happy marriage is harder to achieve, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:48 PM

Ake: "responsibility" not for hiv, but for their own behaviour which causes the problems I listed above.

It sounds like you are beginning to understand the point. It is not about gay/straight, it is about risky behaviour.

The UK gay community - with all the demographics stacked against them have suffered infection rates at 4%.

Some heterosexual communities are at 25% infection rates.

So is it gay or straight people that have the greatest need, in your opinion, to "take responsibility" for behaviours? Anyone *choosing* unprotected sex is a fool and invites tragic consequences upon themselves. Gay or straight.

I don't call people thick for not agreeing with me. I call people thick for being factually wrong and for persistently failing to recognise and absorb the truth.

Keith is dangerous. Virusmyth.org. Fuck me, that takes stupidity to a whole new and terrifying level. Nobody can possibly take him seriously. That the lies he tells are invented by others, makes him no less a liar for telling them.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:59 PM

Recently we have discovered that a previously unknown retro virus is respondsible for chronic fatigue syndrome.


Retro virus, nano bacterial cacium deposits, inflamation, are all recnet breakthroughs in medical science which underlies a vast portion of human disease and causation.

Medical research has its pros and cons but mostly pros.


The irony is that scientific research is also respondsible for the original human contamination with retro viral monkey infections by a Belgian vaccine scientist. Opps that was AIDS.

Be it viri or killer bees or plutonium atoms, you can not isolate anything forever.

Is it gods will or human fallibility? I'd merely say, shit leaks.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 06:26 PM

Rock Hudson?? Wasn't he a movie actor? I didn't know he had kids.

I was talkin' about real people.....n' you cheated! that was two words

Wasn't he in that film "The mouse that roared?" ...or was it
screamed(sexily) :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 06:32 PM

Ah Ebbie doll, you'd need to have tried it to know..bet you wouldn't spend so much time with your "stiletto" wi' me fur a husband   :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 06:35 PM

real men don't need to advertise!
we all know how commercials work.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 06:46 PM

:0) Nice one Don!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 07:08 PM

Achy Breaky, just remember that what we post here today - and much, much earlier - is here forever.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 07:21 PM

The Puddock
A Puddock sat by the lochan's brim,
An' he thocht there was never a puddock like him.
He sat on his hurdies, he waggled his legs,
An' cockit his heid as he glowered throu' the seggs
The bigsy wee cratur' was feelin' that prood,
He gapit his mou' an' he croakit oot lood
"Gin ye'd a' like tae see a richt puddock," quo' he,
" Ye'll never, I'll sweer, get a better nor me.
I've fem'lies an' wives an' a weel-plenished hame,
Wi' drink for my thrapple an' meat for my wame.
The lasses aye thocht me a fine strappin' chiel,
An' I ken I'm a rale bonny singer as weel.
I'm nae gaun tae blaw, but the truth I maun tell-
I believe I'm the verra MacPuddock himsel'."
A heron was hungry an' needin' tae sup,
Sae he nabbit th' puddock and gollup't him up;
Syne 'runkled his feathers: "A peer thing," quo' he,
"But-puddocks is nae as fat as they eesed tae be."

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 07:33 PM

Ach you Yanks hiv nae sense o' humour.....Lighten up!..its Christmas!!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 07:48 PM

For your enlightenmennt and edification, Ake:

Mousethief is bloody brilliant!

Rock Hudson was generally considered by vast numbers of people to be the very image and epitome of the romantic he-man, and those were the roles he played in the movies.

To the general public's shock and surprise, Rock Hudson turned out to be gay. In fact, he was one of the earliest of the well-known people to die of AIDs.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 07:54 PM

Aye ah think ah know who mousetheif is Don....ah wis jist haein' a wee craic.....ahm sure she smiles...noo an' again...even if she is bloody brilliant...Take care o' yersell ah'm awa tae bed :0)
Guid nicht!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 08:03 PM

"Homosexuality is being presented to the rest of society as being a safe and healthy lifestyle, which it is patently not."

Homosexuality is as safe as any other sexuality... until unsafe sex is practised. But that goes across all sexualities. Forget this 50 times business that seems to be haunting you! What needs to be got rid of is HIV/AIDS

And, once again, homosexualty is not a lifestyle choice for the majority. It's not a lifestyle. It's a sexuality. Same as you have a sexuality. No need to ask why some gay men are promiscuos. Some straight men are too, and some gay women and straight women and bisexuals as well. It's an animal thing...

I also think you missed entirely my point about love...

But thank you for the reply on this occasion anyway.

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 08:05 PM

Wrong end of the stick yet again, Ake.

Nighty night.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 08:12 PM

Nae bother MP...Sorry it took sae lang, but ah don't think ah missed yer point, ah understand aw yer sayin', its jist ah dont really agree wi't...Guid night tae ye....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 08:25 PM

Here, this whisky's a curse!....It kin turn a right abnoxious auld reprobate intae a smilin' freen tae aw withoot him even knowin' it.

Nae wunner the buggers got roon the Indians sae easy...:0(

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 08:25 PM

"I'll let all you "true men" into one of lifes little secrets....women dont want a man to be their "bestest friend" or weep on their shoulder.....most women want a man who makes them feel like A WOMAN"

Personally, IMHO, no man can make me feel like a woman. I am a woman to start off with. Some women buy into the myth they need a man to validate them as a woman and some men take advantage of that need. I am sure there are many women who can make a man feel like a man for the same reasons. Like femininity cannot be given you either. Feminine is something you feel not something someone can give you. That said, I know many women would also disagree with me on that too. The point being that it is a personal thing, just like sexuality.

You may speak for some women, but you cannot speak for them all (no more than I can), because I know lots of women that take men as they are... straight, bi or gay. I have friends who do not need a man in their life to make them feel anything. What the heck is a "true man"?

Some actions will make some people feel more womanly, manly, feminine or masculine... but the emotion that drives those feelings comes from within. The trigger may be without.

I like men as friends and it's nice to have a shoulder to cry on occasionally. With me that could be a female shoulder just as easy as a man's. It could be a gay man's shoulder too! Makes no odds. Friendship is love without wings... but you can still love a friend. I think you will find lots of women have men who are friends and who they confide in. To me a "true man" is someone who is sorted in their head and knows themselves, secure in their own life and sexuality, not challenged by what others are getting up to, and happy to be getting on with their own life instead of other's.

The secret is not so secret

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 08:35 PM

Guid night tae ye too! lol

Och!... Burn's Night rapidly approaches

Did I bring oot the Scot in yea? Cannae really be that a woman cannae do that? lol

Have a good night ;-)

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 03:16 AM

Royston, calm down.
I am not arguing anything as I have no special knowledge of this.
I was just surprised by your assertion that heterosexual HIV spreading was becoming comparable to the homosexual transmission.
Looking for specific evidence I did not notice that one site was virus denying. Their statistics I quoted were reputable but I completely withdraw them from the debate.
You neglected to respond to the peer reviewed British Medical Journal piece that refutes your claim.
I also add this evidence.
In 2007, about 77% of heterosexually acquired HIV that was diagnosed in the UK, was probably acquired overseas.


Amongst those diagnosed with heterosexually acquired HIV:

around two thirds are Black African

http://www.tht.org.uk/informationresources/factsandstatistics/uk/heterosexual/

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 03:24 AM

Previos post with BMJ link.
Royston, after a quarter of a century, there has surely been ample time for HIV to cross over to the straight community.
What is your evidence?
This from BMJ, 2005. "Although the number of people becoming infected with HIV through heterosexual intercourse in the United Kingdom is rising steadily, most of the overall rise in HIV diagnoses among heterosexuals is among people who originate from and were infected abroad, mainly in Africa.1 "
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/330/7503/1303

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 04:51 AM

Royston, do YOU not understand that "risky behaviour" and homosexuality are in most cases, synonymous?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 05:00 AM

In that case, Ake, what about the cases where they are NOT 'synonymous'? Both you & GfS are avoiding the challenge I have now issued to you [I think it's] 4 times, about how you respond to the existence of all the faithful respectable CivilPartnered couples of my acquaintance whose partnerships are as loving & stable as those of any other couple, married hetero, I have ever known - incl Valerie's & my adoring half-century marriage; & how could I say fairer than that?   However much you plead then an exception to your "in most cases", there they are. What have you to say about them?