BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 06:04 PM

From
this link

"There are around 2,800 new cases of cervical cancer diagnosed in the UK each year, that is around 55 women every week."

From this link

"'High risk' HPV types have been found to be present in close to 100% of all cervical cancers."

From
this link

"Cervical cancer is the second commonest cancer of women worldwide, with approximately 500,000 new cases with 270,000 deaths annually (Munoz et al., 2006; Parkin and Bray, 2006). Persistent infection with high-risk HPV types is detectable in 99% of cervical cancers (Munoz et al., 2006)."

and

"Information on the prevalence of high-risk HPV infection is available from a large cross-sectional study of women having routine cervical screening in the UK (Kitchener et al., 2006). This found evidence of current high-risk HPV infection in 40% of women at 20-24 years of age, declining with increasing age."

Ake

According to YOUR logic, these stats show conclusively that heterosexual sex among young women is unsafe and should not be promoted as being a healthy lifestyle choice.

Those were YOUR criteria.

It would be wrong to allow them to die for the sake of some "liberal" ideal of human rights wouldn't it?


Roll up roll up and watch the double standards roll.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 05:54 PM

"How about getting yourself up to date? "
You might try the same yourself - I reckon with your ideas, you've got about thirty years to catch up on.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 04:24 PM

Sorry Ake, you are too thick to get into an argument with me.

HPA figures.

http://www.hpa.org.uk/web/HPAwebFile/HPAweb_C/1237970242135

Page 8, table 2. New HIV infections in the UK to end of June 2009. Not even the full-year figures.

I doubt you can do the math, so here we go.

Total number for H1 2009 - 2,896

Male to male vector - 887 cases = 30.63% of total

Straight sex vector - 1,256 cases = 43.37% of total

Oh dear Ake, aren't you a proper shit for brains. I clearly stated I was using the most recent (Aug 2009) figures. You are from the Keith school of evidence aren't you? Just find some out of date stuff that suits your prejudices? Hmm?

And as this argument is about HIV incidence, it hardly matters whether it is African HIV, Peruvian HIV or whatever. Oh, unless you are also racist about disease as well as homophobic.

Fact - in the UK, new HIV infections are predominantly a heterosexual problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 03:45 PM

HIV figures for UK 2008

New infections 38% Homosexual.....62% heterosexual
Taking into account that homosexuals make up only 2-3% of the population, these figures show that in percentage terms infections are vastly more common among homosexuals than among heterosexuals.
Royston's bald figure of 44% is completely meaningless!

Turning to new heterosexual infections, 66% are among those of black african ethnicity.    16% UK aquired.

These are taken from the source cited by Royston and were available to him before he posted.

You're a cheat Royston, but to make your argument and the argument of the lynch mob seem to stack up......cheating is required :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 03:24 PM

"Royston....all the points you mention, have been dealt with further up the thread..."

Which you keep ignoring, blow right past, and continue to post your own interpretation of the stats you carefully select, Ake. What Royston posted needs to be repeated until you finally get it.

Oh, blow it! You won't get it because you don't want to get it.

You two guys are so bloody transparent.

Don Firth

P. S. Out of here for the rest of the day. Real life intrudes.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 03:12 PM

Royston....all the points you mention, have been dealt with further up the thread...while you were having your siesta...... for the last couple of months.

How about getting yourself up to date?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 03:04 PM

Ake,

Noone has rejected or ignored the gay Aids and HIV stats.

You on the other hand have ignored the dangers of syphillis, gonnorhea, chlamidia and HPV amongst young women and older adolescent girls.

You have also requested that people ignore the stats about hetero Aids in Africa.

You have also rejected any interppretation of the stats other than your own, regardless of the fact that your interpretation has been shown to be fundamentally flawed repeatedly.


Jims views are obvious as he has stated them clearly.


Ake's views are also obvious as he has also stated them clearly.


Ake's view are that homosexuals are a "scourge",

that homosexuality is a lifestyle,

that homosexuality is "promoted" in schools.

That homosexuals have more "rights" than heterosexuals

that homosexuals are abhorrent perverts,

and that homosexuals are closet paedophiles.


This are all spelled out clearly in Akes posting history.



The best Ake can do with Jim is INFER a meaning fom a post making an entirely different point.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 03:01 PM

Royston, lots of bullseyes in your post. Set your watch for Ake & GfS to swoop in with their patented tropes of misrepresentation, goalpost-moving, faux-concern and bluster. They're a bit like Batman & Robin of this thread (and we all know what THEY got up to in the Batcave).

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 02:57 PM

GfS, have you ever read The Sparrow, by Mary Doria Russell?

Rather than a science-fiction novel as it appears to be, it is very much a novel of ideas. Specifically religious and philosophical ideas.    REVIEW.

But never mind, GfS. Even if you did read the book, you still wouldn't get it.

My concept of God is not as primitive as you seem to think—or that your concept apparently is.

If the Cosmos and all that it is in it was indeed created by an Intelligence that we call "God," the nature of this entity is so far beyond human understanding that anyone who claims to know "the Mind of God" or what God would or would not do in any situation is merely spouting vapor. Bloody nonsense!

So, GfS, don't you try to tell me what God would or would not do in any given situation.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Royston
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 02:54 PM

I'm quite surprised this thread is still limping on.

GfS et al - the most that can be concluded about people who have had sex with the same and with opposite genders is that they are bisexual. Men are - famoudly - just sexual. The straightest of the straight is quite happy to get a bit from one of the lads when they're all in prison together, so sexualty is hardly a fixed reference.

The real issue is why do people like Ake and GfS have such a hang up about what other people do with their sexual organs. I just find it very odd and a little disturbing.

If Ake reckons that early death and/or HIV infection is a "gay thing" then he should pop off to Africa where 22.4mn people have HIV and where it is overwhelmingly a heterosexual disease - in Swaziland for instance the HIV infection rate is about 25% of the overall population.

In USA and Western Europe, that HIV is mostly a "gay thing" is now a footnote in history as the new UK infection rate by heterosexual transfer has been approaching and exceeding the homosexual transfer rate for a long time now - as at August 2009 the male/male new infections were only at 44% - source, UK Health Protection Agency.

Because "straight" people are in such denial about their risky behaviours they are less likely to get tested and treated and the prevailing view amongst health agencies is that the heterosexual figures are the tip of an enormous iceberg.

Add to that the well-documented tidal wave of heterosexually acquired STI's amongst straight teenagers in the UK, and the only statistical conclusion is that heterosexual communities are paying the greatest price for their loose morals and grotesque sexual hygiene.

Anecdotally, there is a view that gay people are at greater risk of mental health and depression problems leading to physical ill health, but surely that is just because of the vile treatment they get from the likes of sexually insecure bigots like Ake and GfS?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 02:51 PM

It won't surprise anyone, but may delight some as it did me, that Ulster's homos are having a high old time all over the internet revelling in Mrs Robinson's exposure & fall from saintliness.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 02:38 PM

"Don't know if The Irish Times......"
Should read 'Sunday Times' - of course.
The only reason Mrs Robinson enters into this discussion - apart from her vitriolic statements about homosexuality - is that she is/was a politician who has used her priveleged position to express her view on the subject in the most hate-filled rabble rousing terms - to reiterate:
"There can be no viler act, apart from homosexuality and sodomy, than sexually abusing children"
"I cannot think of anything more sickening than a child being abused. It is comparable to the act of homosexuality" only for it to be discovered that her own behaviour was less than perfect.
The lady is a bigot and a hypoctrit and held a position in society where neither can be said to be acceptible for national stability.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 02:36 PM

Happy New Year to all in this mini-madhouse from me too. Even to GfS, who has a vested interest, it seems, in not being happy.

And YES homosexuals CAN terminate that inclination ! So can heterosexuals ! in the 15th & 16th centuries in Spain lots of Jews & Muslims terminated those inclinations and coverted to Christianity !

It's amazing how you can reinvent yourself if there's enough social & cultural pressure........

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 02:24 PM

Nice deflection, Don. You completely avoided what I was saying, with your own bit of blather. Either your God can change lives, or He can't...and if He does, you seem to object! In any event, Homosexuals CAN terminate that inclination...like it or not!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 01:51 PM

GfS, give it a rest! From the blather you just wrote, your ignorance of the variety of what falls under the heading of "Christian belief" is abysmal. Also your diddle-headed attempts to "psychoanalyze" me verges on the idiotic. No competent psychological counselor would ever say some of the things you do, so you are confirming my suspicions that you a) took Psych 101 in college; and b) got a C- in the course, and that's as far as your knowledge of psychology goes. I've heard your kind of blather from lots of college freshmen taking their first Psych course. And I'm also aware that any tarot card-reader or crystal-ball gazer can hang out a shingle and declare him/herself a "counselor."

Also, you are projecting what you think that I think the nature of God is. Way off base, "counselor." I'm not as primitive as you would like to believe I am—or as you probably are.

The three "ex-homosexuals" that I met are very unhappy people, verging on the point of depression. Also, they are obsessed with the matter of homosexuality and never miss a chance to rage against it. It is obvious to all who are acquainted with them that they are not ex-homosexuals, they have merely stuffed their sexuality back into the closet and are in an extreme state of denial.

I am fully aware that you have more than just a vested interest in the idea that gender orientation is a matter of free choice, i.e., flip a coin. The idea that it might be genetic absolutely terrifies you.

Judging from what you said in the other thread about your father, the obvious conclusion is that you are scared spitless of the genes your own body carries.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 01:30 PM

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men [women] to do nothing [my brackets] credited to Burke"

Just to clear this up as it is being used contextually out of place. I used that phrase in response to the thread subject and topic. In other words I have taken a great deal of notice that people will not stand idly by and do nothing. People (good men & women) have stood up against the idea of hanging homosexuals and the ideas that lie behind such hatred. That was why I used that quote in the particular response I made about me thinking that much has been learned and accomplished.

Personally I am cheered that people speak out against blatant hatred.

I cannot spell it out any better than that. No accusation of evil was levied against anyone on this thread as, long though it has been, I have not seen a single soul advocating hanging or in support of that as a solution. I may be wrong but I have no intention of reading the whole thing again.

People can have differing viewpoints. That is not evil in itself. Nowhere have I said otherwise but you have obviously taken me as meaning those who hold other views? Please, judge me by my actions, not what you think they are. Somewhere in there has been some misunderstanding and I hope the above clearly points out my meaning and the use of that quote.

I am sure that you do think me "naive and mistaken in your opinion". That is your perogative and right too.

My new years resolution is totally trashed now! ;-)

mp

(apologies I never logged the name. Hoepfully the blank guest will be taken out by a moderator, thanks)

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 01:29 PM

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men [women] to do nothing [my brackets] credited to Burke"

Just to clear this up as it is being used contextually out of place. I used that phrase in response to the thread subject and topic. In other words I have taken a great deal of notice that people will not stand idly by and do nothing. People (good men & women) have stood up against the idea of hanging homosexuals and the ideas that lie behind such hatred. That was why I used that quote in the particular response I made about me thinking that much has been learned and accomplished.

Personally I am cheered that people speak out against blatant hatred.

I cannot spell it out any better than that. No accusation of evil was levied against anyone on this thread as, long though it has been, I have not seen a single soul advocating hanging or in support of that as a solution. I may be wrong but I have no intention of reading the whole thing again.

People can have differing viewpoints. That is not evil in itself. Nowhere have I said otherwise but you have obviously taken me as meaning those who hold other views? Please, judge me by my actions, not what you think they are. Somewhere in there has been some misunderstanding and I hope the above clearly points out my meaning and the use of that quote.

I am sure that you do think me "naive and mistaken in your opinion". That is your perogative and right too.

My new years resolution is totally trashed now! ;-)

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 01:11 PM

"putting it about as if it was going out of fashion"
Probably not the best phrase to have used: I apologise if it has given any offence; it certainly wasn't intended - though it has given our homophobic wing an opportunity to divert the attention away from their own bigotry.   
"Regarding Mrs Robinson,as far as we know she has had one short extra-marital affair."
Well no actually - Mrs Robinson's name has been linked to extra-marital affairs in the past, though the family has managed to silence these accusations with their not inconsiderable wealth. Don't know if The Irish Times in the UK is the same as that in Ireland - full details to be found there.
My posting was to draw attention to the hypocracy of somebody who has openly used her position in society and her religion to put over her offensive views while failing to live up to the standards she demands of others.
As I said earlier, Mrs Robinson's affairs are none of my business, other than the effect they might have on the stability of a country that has undergone a horrific period over the last forty years.
The responsible position she and her husband hold in relation to the delicate political situation here in Ireland calls for them to tread act responsibly; it really is what we have a right to expect from them. I has just been announced on the news that Sinn Féin are determined to make the peace process work - not a supporter, but a nice piece of political propaganda for them - don't you think?   
For the record; I am not a male chauvanist, I find any form of stereotyping and bigotry - homophobia, racism.... not only offensive, but extremely dangerous and quite often deliberately used to ferment hatred and violence.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 12:57 PM

Nice rant MP, but you only addressed the points I made in the most cursor4y fashion.

Do you not think "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men [women] to do nothing" was offensive t6o others on this thread with a different viewpoint?

I think you are naive and mistaken in your opinion, but I would never imply that you were evil.

Regarding Mrs Robinson,as far as wqe know she has had one short extra-marital affair.....Jim says she "puts it about as if its going out of fashion".
He should withdraw that remark. If he does not, his views on women will be obvious.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 12:30 PM

Happy New Year to you too, mauvepink.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 12:27 PM

Why should I be offended? Some women do put it about. Just like some men do. That does not mean they all do.

Truth is you do not want to believe that people can hold opposite opinions to you and still be worth any validity or respect. Call them, wear them down, put them down... Believe as you will. You do already and that is the sadness in all of this. Not that you have a different opinion or viewpoint but that you are willing to call and abuse those who you have no idea about at all. I am no liar. Believe me or not. It's really no longer importanat to me what you think. But ask yourself this. Why should I say I am not offended if I am? I would have thought this thread shown I was not unhappy to dispute reasonably things I disagree with or that offend me. Fact is Jim Carrol's words did not offend me at all. You accusing by inference that I am lying does.

This is just becoming more sad but I will not join in with a slanging match or name calling. I am who I am. It's really that simple!

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 12:19 PM

How do you know I do nothing? Where do you get your crystal ball from? I have not and do not deny that ill health figures and mortality exists. It does so on our roads every day, in war zones, on weekend nights out, and all other various diverse scenarios. How many children never reach maturity to even have sex? Do you canpaign for them and against their abusers and murderers? I simply do not single out gay men in the argument. Human beings are risk takers and sexual creatures. Get over it!

I give each year to HIV/AIDs charities, as I do to Cancer charities, the NSPCC and Diabetes UK. Because disease is not just something that effects gay paeople. It affects us all in some way or another. If not directly it does so by taking away people we love, respect, admire or care for. There, but for the grace of God go I...

If being braindead is the alternative to what what you and your ilk subscribe to on this thread, I will happily add that to all the other labels that have been directed. No matter how many times I tell you that humanism is the basis and not liberalism you will insist of having it your way.

You win! There. You have it. Winning you is not important. Stopping the mindless hatred of people who are different than ourselves is.

Happy New year by the way to all on the thread.

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 12:02 PM

A married woman takes a lover....Ive read this happens at some time in almost every marriage.
Jim calls it "putting it about as if it was going out of fashion" and as a woman you're not offended.....I dont believe you!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 11:50 AM

MP....You don't half talk bollocks at times(hope they're not poor Jim's)

Do you not even consider the life expectancy/ health figures pertaining to homosexual practice?

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men [women] to do nothing" [my brackets] credited to Burke.


Dont you realise that you braindead "liberals" are doing nothing; and preventing homosexuals from investigating the reasons for the very bad hiv/aids, promiscuity and life expectancy figures, by denying they even exist.

As I said before, its a case of letting them die rather than upsetting your "liberal" consciences.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 10:16 AM

Smedley... I just learned that really ought to use a spell checker before posting anything ;-)

But seriously, in answer to your question, I think many will be wiser for all sorts of reasons, good and bad. I personally have learned a great deal on this thread and have been actually quite thrilled to see so much positive thought and support for human rights as a whole. That can only be good for the future, yes?

Yes, indeed, I think much good has come from this thread, far more than bad. There is a lot to be optmistic about when you look deeper. No room for complacency though is there? Ever?

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men [women] to do nothing [my brackets] credited to Burke

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 10:07 AM

800!!!!!!!!!

And are we any the wiser ?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 10:06 AM

Well I've broken my New Year's resolution... not to post anything further on this particular thred. But something here is worth mentioning and I am not singling akenaton out. It just so happens the quote is taken from his posting...

"Come on girls, forget supporting "homosexual rights"...we've got a real live male chauvanist here, dissin' one of the sisters because she took a young lover.....bite the balls off him!!"

I cannot speak for other 'sisters', as you have referred to them in the past here and now, but I can speak for me. I can say that what I have supported on this thread, as have others, are not homosexual rights, but human rights. The fact some of those humans are homosexual actually has no relevance in reality to what I would and have have argued for. That all people be treated fairly by and within the law, fellow humans, society at large, across the world. It really is a simple concept.

I see nothing in Jim Carroll's posts on this thread that remotely points to him being chauvanistic in his intentions. I think he would have said the same against a male politician taking a female lover in similar circumstances. What he is commenting about is the two-faced hypocricy, as I read him, rather than the actual gender of the person saying it. Bigotry is bigotry no matter which gender's lips it is issued from.

That PEOPLE have affairs, can be promiscuous, and 'spread it around' has actually been mentioned lots on this thred. It's not just homosexual males that do it. But the majority of us know and accept that well enough. What we find upsetting and grossly unfair is to see people in power condemning a minority and then showing similar behaviours themselves. "let him (or her) who is without sin cast the first stone..." an all that. Indeed some of the basis for a great deal of homophobia is to try and throw people off the homophobe's own sexuality and habits. Not always, but it happens. Those that shout the loudest in sone scenarios actually have the most to hide. In the end it is human nature. Some human beings like to hate. Others like to be more favourable to their fellow brothers or sisters.

I am happy to wear the title of a feel good sisterhood badge wearing gay loving liberal. There are far worse things to be thought of and known by. But as for Jim Carroll's comments, I can assure you, they never offended this sister one bit. Unless I have read him wrong he was not being a chauvanist or offensive to women generally.

The poor man gets to retain his testicles! ;-)

Jusr my opinion again

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 08:24 AM

Jim Specifically stated that he saw Iris Robinson as showing double standards.

He specifically made clear that that was the meaning of his post.


He has never made any comment on the character of women or referred to any stereotype or engaged in anyt form of slander.



What he has done is a masterful, nay artful job of making monkeys of Ake and GfS by showing that Robinsons double standards are not the only thing she has in common with them.

Hypocrites and bigots, all three.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 06:36 AM

Iris Robinson is to step down as a Member of Parliament, If her husband is forced to follow her, as seems likely, it is possible that the Irish Peace Process will be at risk.
It's nice to know that our well-being is in safe hands!

The twisted world of a homophobe:
"There can be no viler act, apart from homosexuality and sodomy, than sexually abusing children"
(Iris Robinson, House of Commons)
"I cannot think of anything more sickening than a child being abused. It is comparable to the act of homosexuality"
(Iris Robinson, Belfast Telegraph}
"I have a very lovely psychiatrist who works with me in my offices and his Christian background is that he tries to help homosexuals — trying to turn away from what they are engaged in. I'm happy to put any homosexual in touch with this gentleman" (Iris Robinson, Radio 5)
Coo-coo-coo-choo indeed!!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 05:20 AM

"This makes pretty clear, your view of women in general."
How; are you claiming that all married women have extra marital affairs? - I'm certainly not.
Don't really expect an answer to this .
You have implied that marital infidelity and political/financial wheeler-dealing (or are we all in a position to attain loans of that size) are preffereable to a stable homosexual relationship.
Says everything that needs to be said about your world
And those prices - £50,000 - he must be good!!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 04:42 AM

Hi Akenaton, nice to see you're still on, at the same time!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 04:36 AM

Cool logo mousethief.

Jim... the "finanancial shenanigans" if proved, have nothing wharever to do with Mrs Robinsons views on homosexuality!

You have said that she is extremely promiscuous and that she "pays" for sex.....without any evidence to back up these assertions.

This makes pretty clear, your view of women in general.


Go get him girls!!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mousethief
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 03:51 AM

What an interesting thread. Homophobes, theophobes, random nonsense posters, and a few quiet voices of reason.

We'd like to know a little bit about you for our files
We'd like to help you learn to help yourself
Look around you, all you see are sympathetic eyes
Stroll around the grounds until you feel at home

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 03:45 AM

Don:'Ake, I believe the question at this point not male chauvanism, but hypocracy, n'est-ce pas?'

Interesting..(scratches head)..Don, don't you realize that that is one of the most deflective and projective things you've said?? You, who claim to go to a Christian church, and are a self declared expert on the Bible, meet two(or was it three..who cares?) EX-homosexuals, and you think they are not for real, about it because they claim that they were 'born again', and renounced homosexuality??..I mean, that's pretty strange, to think you go to a church, and worship a God, who is powerless to change lives?!?!?!? So, are you being a hypocrite in church, or on here??
Same with Joe Offer, he meets an ex-homosexual, who won't even talk about the lameness he came out of(homosexuality), and marries a woman, and you refuse to believe, that God can do that??
I've met three, and Dr. Cohen is another, whose son graduated as a medical student and delivers a speech to his graduating class, that his father USED TO BE a homosexual, and again, you think that can't happen??...and you have the gall to accuse another of being a hypocrite????
Just think about it. I don't need to elaborate. You're of legendary intellect, in your own mind, you figure the flaw the trip you're on. Hunt deep within yourself, and figure out what doesn't fly.
And don't bother trying to 'ennoble' your position. I'm almost laughing so hard, I can barely type!
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 08:18 PM

'akenaton'
I have become very tired of mealy-mouthed moralists like yourself telling me what is 'normal' 'moral' or 'right'
Now you appear to be saying that marital infidelity by people who use their position in society to obtain large sums of money to pay for their 'little weaknesses, after having told us how we should behave, is fine as long as it is by people who are "normal" - ie not "an abomination" (that's how the lady described homosexuality - pretty much the same as you have).
The lady paid her lover - not the other way round; nothing to do with her being a prostitute - please pay attention.
I'm sure your 'normal' friends are very grateful for your undying support - especially as you have appeared to tip-toe around the financial shenanigans involved in this fascinating affair.
Methinks - the homophobe doth protest too much!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 05:42 PM

Ake, I believe the question at this point not male chauvanism, but hypocracy, n'est-ce pas?

You have a real talent for getting the wrong end of the stick.

(Just dropped by to see how this thread is regressing. Returning now to the real world.)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 05:26 PM

"Services rendered" so she's a prostitute as well?

Where the fuck is the Sisterhood when you really need them :0)

Come on girls, forget supporting "homosexual rights"...we've got a real live male chauvanist here, dissin' one of the sisters because she took a young lover.....bite the balls off him!!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Amos
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 05:25 PM

Cuucuucachuu, Mrs. Robinson. Jesus loves you more than you can know.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 05:20 PM

"putting it about as if it was going out of fashion".....Your words!!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: M.Ted
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 03:52 PM

Guest from Sanity--I thought that you were talking about Bluegrass pickers--

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 03:37 PM

"Jim Carroll....I can hardly believe you wrote that!"
Oh, please believe it!
Mrs Robinson pontificated on the morality of others while having an extra-marital affair. It transpires that she then, without declaring it to Parliament, as she was obliged to do, borrowed £50,000 from 2 businessmen to give to her lover (payment for services rendered?).
Her husband is now resisting demands for his resignation.
I have no interest whatever in Mr or Mrs Robinson's politics nor her morality other than her role as a hypocrite in daring to judge that of others - that is what "their views on homosexual practice?" have to do with me; their taking advantage of their priveliged position in society in order to condemn the behaviour of others.
I find your somewhat overblown outrage, taken with YOUR inclination to judge the morality of others both interesting and entertaining!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 02:01 PM

Jim Carroll....I can hardly believe you wrote that!

All I know about Mrs Robinson, is that she had a short affair with a young man.
You claim that she was "putting it about as if it was going out of fashion".....I take it that means Mrs Robinson was a "tramp", an immoral person, sexually promiscuous, or any one of the phrases some men use to demean women.
If this had been a man and a young lady it would hardly make two lines.....double standards and why bring it up in this context?

Sex outwith marriage will always be part of life.....its just nature at work......totally different from homosexual practice with all its associated problems, which have been well documented here

What has any womans normal sex life, to do with their views on homosexual practice?
Men and women are designed to have sex together and will continue to do so as long as humanity is to survive....nothing abnormal there

I would suggest you are attempting to blacken this womans character by highlighting a marital mistake that any of us may have been guilty of. We dont even know about the womans state of mind, some say she had been receiving treatment for depression.

There must be a word for people like you in the "liberal" handbook
Shouldn't take you long to find it.....It'll be on the dog eared page, containing homophobe, bigot,etc!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 01:29 PM

The not-very-pro-gay brigade who have 'proselytising' as one of their recurring fears never really answer the question that goes:

if heterosexuality is as wondrous, and homosexuality as vile, as you so evidently and sincerely believe, why on earth would anyone be persuaded to 'jump ship' from the former to the latter ?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Penny S.
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 12:12 PM

Lox, I meant that about the claim of proselytising in the same sense as that of the axe murderer. There is no evidence for this, is there? On the other hand, making the claim is also scarey.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 06:08 AM

It appears that Iris, wife of the first minister of Northern Ireland, Peter Robinson, at the same time as declaring that homosexuality was 'an abomination', was 'putting it about as if it was going out of fashion'.
For centuries the church, declared homosexuality a 'mortal sin' and dictated moral values to the world, while their clergymen (and women) were running the world's largest and most protected paedophile ring and raping and abusing their way through their parishoners' children. Their superiors stood on the sidelines blessing them with their inaction and assisting them if they got into difficulties.
Perhaps if we all stood by own own beds instead of trying to look into other peoples' the world might be a better place to live in.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Lox
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 02:04 PM

"Be very careful in your terminology lads.......we're just waiting for that fatal slip!"

No not really, MtheGM has no history of consistently expressing and then unapologetically defending homophobic and Racist political viewpoints.

My purpose was to ensure his copmments could not be misused by either you, GfS or the other troll.

"Prats"

I take it you're argument has been so comprehensivwly demolished that that is all you have to offer.

Never mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Den
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 12:59 PM

What about Iris Robinson, she made a view comments earlier this year.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 12:55 PM

Be very careful in your terminology lads.......we're just waiting for that fatal slip!      :0)

Prats!!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 09:37 AM

.........just listening beeb news about Ulster's First Minister's wife, also a member of Ulster parliament, describing homosexuality as 'an abomination'

She should be sacked [IMO]!!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 08:45 AM

Indeed Lox - I apologise for clumsy form of expression.