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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,999 Date: 09 Dec 09 - 09:31 PM Thanks, Ake. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: akenaton Date: 09 Dec 09 - 09:27 PM Guest.....no need for an apology from you. We can all make mistakes and you were never abusive. You were right to question the figures....at first I thought them unbelievable, but they are correct and rising steadily While these shocking figures are being ignored and people who point them out abused, there is little hope for the unfortunates affected. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,999 Date: 09 Dec 09 - 09:17 PM Jeri, thank you very much. Ake, you got it right--and if anywhere I implied you were fulla 'beans' I hereby apologize. The statistic (53%) is shocking. I'd expect it means that gay men are not using condoms and that is causing the very high (compared to hetero) infection rate. Are there any efforts people are aware of to 'get the news' to the gay population? Seems that it's kinda stupid on people's part (in a country where condoms are fairly cheap) not to take the precaution, and I expect that gays are aware of the infection rate. What can be done? Smedley, I am addressing this to you because I would guess you are more aware of 'gay' issues than I am. What happens where you are? Are there programs that include the gay community specifically and if so are those programs effective? Serious question for you there, buddy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: akenaton Date: 09 Dec 09 - 08:27 PM Being African is not behavioural and catagorising them in this way would is racist......you should be ashamed of yourself and will almost certainly be drummed out of the "liberals" That's just a little more of the irony that you proved yourself incapable of understanding when responding to posts from Sanity, Little Hawk and myself futher up the thread. I've just been discussing Alan Bennett on another thread and you remind me of a Bennett English characterisation......complete with the ability to suspend reality, ignore that which is obvious and show self obsession on a massive scale. You just brush off Keith's figures as if they didn't exist, although they support everything I have been saying about the need to have greater control over the disease. Worse.....You attempt to turn these figures into a stupid, witless joke Still waiting for that apology by the way!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Ed T Date: 09 Dec 09 - 07:29 PM This is interesting.... http://firozeshakir.blogspot.com/2009/07/world-without-hijras-would-suck.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Lox Date: 09 Dec 09 - 03:36 PM I wonder if Ake knows ... ... he might decide to prevent the unhealthy promotion in our schools of the idea that being African is healthy and normal. He might suggest that children should be discouraged from being African as for us to do otherwise would be irresponsible. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 09 Dec 09 - 02:49 PM Some UK stats. (Our situation is different because we have immigrants from Africa where it infects more heterosexuals than in western countries.) Although only about 1% of the total population of Britain are adult gay men, almost half of the people living with HIV are gay men. This means gay men are about 90 times more likely to be living with HIV than other people. Similarly, although African people account for about 1% of the population in Britain, 33% of the people living with HIV are African. This means African people in Britain are about 50 times more likely to be living with HIV than other ethnic groups. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3856963.stm (Without the African dimension, gay men would account for rather more than the 53% quoted for USA) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don Firth Date: 09 Dec 09 - 01:55 PM Incredible, Gfs! I didn't realize that I was as powerful and sinister as Ernst Stavro Blofeld, the arch villain from the James Bond novels/movies. But then media moguls like Rupert Murdock, Ted Turner, and me wield a lot of power and influence on world affairs. Nor did I realize that I had managed all by myself to turn Washington State into "The Soviet of Washington," that notorious "liberal fascist" state. Wow! I am so-o-o-o-o cool! "When you decided what to broadcast. . . ." To set the record straight, GfS, I was not the one who decided what to broadcast. I was an announcer. Announcers are the on-the-air voices who read commercials, read news (not write, read), and play music records. What kind of records depends on the orientation of the station, and that's determined by the owner of the station, and that was not me. Prior to working at a classical music station in Seattle, I worked for a year at a small station in eastern Washington. There, I was an announcer and news director. As news director, my duties consisted of calling the local police station, sheriff's department, and hospital first thing in the morning to see if anything newsworthy had happened overnight. Other than that, on my board shift, I would read the latest national news headlines (off the teletype—Associated Press broadcast news service) at the top of each hour. Whatever I put on the air was vetted and approved by the station manager, who, as I said, was not me. I also wrote and produced commercials. I wrote the copy from a fact sheet that the commercial time salesman handed me (what the sponsor, i.e. sporting goods store, restaurant, car repair shop, or whatever wanted said in the commercial), then read the copy, recording it onto a tape cartridge, often over appropriate background music. There, too, the station manager had to approve what I had done before it went on the air. I had no control over station policy, what commercials were aired, nor, at this station, the music I played. It was all pre-programmed and on fifteen inch reels of tape. I just pressed the button that started and stopped the tape. As I said above, at the Seattle classical music station, the only thing I had to do with news was to tear it off the teletype (once again, AP) and read about five minutes worth of national and local news at the top of the hour, every two hours, along with a weather report. My main duty was to select, announce, and play music records (once again, classical, not pop, rock, or elevator music. Classical.) that met the guidelines of the station format—that is, I selected and played classical records other than the featured works already selected by the program director, who, once again, was not me. And I also played the listed recorded commercials or read commercial copy when the station log indicated that I should. In addition, I wrote down the meter readings from the transmitter at prescribed intervals, required by the Federal Communications Commission, and signed the transmitter log. So that was me, diabolically propagandizing and ruling the world from behind a microphone. I worked in radio for about seven years. It was fun, but I had an opportunity to make use of my writing skills (after all, I was an English major in college before I changed my major to Music) by working as a technical writer for the Bonneville Power Administration's energy conservation program (residential weatherization), so I took it. Also, it paid better than broadcasting and I no longer had to get up a 5:30 in the morning. And your comments about my "first old lady" and my son are vicious and mean, totally inaccurate, and fail to consider the amount of emotional pain that was involved when she and I decided, due to circumstances beyond our control, that it was better—for her and the boy—that we not see each other again. I am just very happy that when he was grown up and learned the truth, he wanted to meet me. And we've been the best of friends—closer than most fathers and sons—ever since. As a "counselor," you lack all human understanding and have a real mean streak in you. God help your clients! If any! By the way, how's your life going these days? Your relationship with your father? Crawl back under your rock. You're still a bigot. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Jeri Date: 09 Dec 09 - 12:05 PM I called CDC and managed to ask a couple questions they couldn't answer, so I got elevated. They're going to e-mail me, and I can follow up with them by e-mail. "Over half (53%) of these new infections occurred in gay and bisexual men" is correct, but my questions were: How did they know the infections were new? (Were there previous negative tests?) Were members of other risk groups included in the 53%, i.e. IV drug users? They aren't going to do anything more than speculate as to why the difference between the US and other places in the world are so different. It could be because there's a lot of gay/bisexual men who are HIV positive already in the community. In Africa, there may be a lot of heterosexuals who are HIV positive already in the community. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: MGM·Lion Date: 09 Dec 09 - 05:20 AM Some of them make wonderful soufflés as StmngWillie remarked: others can be distinguished broadcaster & writer of books on the popular arts, in stable longterm CivicPartnership relationship with member of the Inner Magic Circle, which is case with a couple among my [still think really in terms of "our" to include my dear dead wife] dearest friends in the world. What's with these people [Ake, GfS, Paco et al] who imagine they must be up to something nefarious & unspeakable, instead of just getting on with their lives and careers like the rest of us? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Jim Carroll Date: 09 Dec 09 - 05:05 AM "GfS, you're an idiot!" No he's not - he's an out-of-the-closet homophobe and an apologist for wholesale child abuse. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie Date: 09 Dec 09 - 04:46 AM "Homosexual men indulge in practises that revolt most ordinary people. Why will you never acknowledge the facts? " One practice that is not revolting is that in my experience, our gay friends make wonderful soufflés. As to how this thread has gone... There are some people on here that revolt me to be honest. But I bet none of them are gay. In fact, I would put money on the fact that the vast majority of them have religious beliefs. Scroll up far enough and you will find a quote from some philosopher or other that I posted, and it seems so many screen scrolls ago, I might just repeat it. Cos a) I can and b) I like it. Religion is like a municipal swimming baths. All the noise comes from the shallow end. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Lox Date: 09 Dec 09 - 04:45 AM Jeri From: Jeri - PM Date: 08 Dec 09 - 10:08 PM I think you have just about summed it up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Lox Date: 09 Dec 09 - 04:34 AM Smedley, I think you are making the same mistake that the rest of us keep making time and time again ... Doh! And that is the assumption that GfS's comments have any bearing whatsoever on anyone elses point. She lives in a whirlwind of desperate confusion and needs to justify her fears to feel safe. A miserable existence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Smedley Date: 09 Dec 09 - 01:57 AM So sorry to repeat myself, but the Sanity person (oh the irony) is still trying to wriggle out of what I said, or twist it perversely. I focused on sexual acts because that was the turf on which the poster I was challenging had chosen to focus. If you want to discuss relationships, let's go for it. I could tell you about the stable, loving, happy, lifetime relationship I have been in for fifteen years. But you wouldn't want to hear about that, as it contradicts your preferred images of how gay men are. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Dec 09 - 01:04 AM Here, let's put this in context: NOW: From: Don Firth Date: 08 Dec 09 - 11:12 PM I was an announcer at a classical music radio station. I put records on turntables, told the listeners what music I was about to play, then flipped the switch. Some of this (Monteverdi, Mozart, Beethoven, Stravinsky, etc.) was selected by me, but most by the program director, Bob MacDonald. I read commercials (time sold by the sales department) and public service announcements at the times the station manager specified in the log. At the top of the hour, I read the news (torn from the teletype)." THEN: From: Don Firth Date: 28 May 09 - 07:31 PM "Considering the vagueness of some of the verbiage used by Ake, especially GfS, and also Little Hawk, it's sometimes not real easy to follow what the hell they are trying to say, if anything. Perhaps that's the point. And before someone attempts to cast aspersions on my ability to comprehend, let me remind them that I majored in English as well as Music and I have worked ("day jobs") as a technical writer (often trying to translate "governmentese" into plain English) and as a radio station news director. Don Firth" Oh, you mean propaganda minister??? Professional SPINNER????...ONE WHO TAKES FACTS AND TURNS IT WHAT IS 'FIT FOR THE PUBLIC'S CONSUMPTION'?...to say whatever you want it to mean?..like on here??? When you said you 'just played classical music', are you lying now, or back then?..as the news(?) director. So knock off the accusations, about 'homophobes' and 'bigotry'. Your consistency of the truth, and representing things as they really are, are highly at question!!! You want to talk about ethics, man, let's go! (sigh)..trying to cop a lower plea,,,jeez! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Dec 09 - 12:24 AM From: Don Firth Date: 28 May 09 - 07:31 PM Considering the vagueness of some of the verbiage used by Ake, especially GfS, and also Little Hawk, it's sometimes not real easy to follow what the hell they are trying to say, if anything. Perhaps that's the point. And before someone attempts to cast aspersions on my ability to comprehend, let me remind them that I majored in English as well as Music and I have worked ("day jobs") as a technical writer (often trying to translate "governmentese" into plain English) and as a radio station news director. Don Firth Oh, you mean propaganda minister??? Professional SPINNER????...ONE WHO TAKES FACTS AND TURNS IT WHAT IS 'FIT FOR THE PUBLIC'S CONSUMPTION'?...to say whatever you want it to mean?..like on here??? When you said you just played 'classical music',are you lying now, or back then?..as the news(?) director. You want to talk about ethics, man, let's go! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Amos Date: 08 Dec 09 - 11:51 PM Mebbe you don't think you are bitter. Your language says otherwise. I stifle NUFFINK!!! :D Seriously, though, it is just possible you have substituted local conclusions for global judgement. An easy error to make. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don Firth Date: 08 Dec 09 - 11:49 PM Pure fiction, GfS. You take a few things I said about mayself (a marginal note's worth) and wrote a whole War and Peace-sized novel from that, making it all up as you go along. All pure fiction and bearing no resemblance whatsoever to anything in my real life. You know, this would be funny if it weren't so sick! I must have really got up your nose for you to explode with this kind of frenzied hatred for me. I'm getting a bit worried about you. Okay, I'll leave you alone for a few hours so you can calm down a bit. Barbara just got home from her job at the library, so we're going to have a bit to eat and watch a movie on DVD. I'll be off-line until tomorrow. Try to relax and calm down. Don Firth* *Firth = Scottish place name, i.e. Solway Firth, Firth of Forth, Pentland Firth, etc. My great-grandfather came from Scotland with the Hudson's Bay Company in 1851 and eventually settled in the San Juan Islands (north of Seattle). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Ebbie Date: 08 Dec 09 - 11:46 PM You know, they do say that people go into the field of work where they themselves are deficient. So maybe Guest/Far, Far from Sanity is a counselor. *g* (Although I devoutly hope not.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Dec 09 - 11:14 PM ConFirth must be typing away every excuse and reason he can..while you're at it, don't forget, to include how you were so SELF absorbed into YOU, that your first old lady kept you from being around the kid, that you never wanted..so you could pursue a career, in bullshitting people for profit! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don Firth Date: 08 Dec 09 - 11:12 PM WOW! That was quite a little outburst, there! GfS, you're an idiot! I never said anywhere that I was a radio station manager. You made that up, just like most of what you post. I was an announcer at a classical music radio station. I put records on turntables, told the listeners what music I was about to play, then flipped the switch. Some of this (Monteverdi, Mozart, Beethoven, Stravinsky, etc.) was selected by me, but most by the program director, Bob MacDonald. I read commercials (time sold by the sales department) and public service announcements at the times the station manager specified in the log. At the top of the hour, I read the news (torn from the teletype). I had nothing to do with the advertising fees. That was a whole different department. Not my job. You made up a whole fictional "Don First," which is not me. You can't even get my name right! That's a real tour de force there, GfS! You have managed to combine the fallacies of argumentum ad hominem with "The Straw Man." Bravo!! Not only are you barking up the wrong tree, you're lost in the wrong bloody forest! "Counselor?" You, sir or madam as the case may be, are the one who is badly in need of psychological help. Your last couple of posts in particular more than amply demonstrate that you are losing your grip. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Dec 09 - 11:04 PM Amos, you have no clue about me, or what you're talking about, in regards to me. Stifle it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Amos Date: 08 Dec 09 - 11:00 PM There's no pathos to liberal thought; it espouses reciprocal dignity and tolerance. Your bitterness reveals its own sour roots. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Dec 09 - 10:27 PM DonFirst:"And it's not politics, it's ethics. You've heard of it..haven't you?" Well, I'm GLAD you brought that up! Mr.radio station manager! When you decided what to broadcast, was it for ratings, so you pandered to your local demographic(like on here), or was there an actual ETHIC, in bringing the best you could bring????? Being as you're up in the Washington state area, known for being pathetically 'liberal' above being logical, I guess you could peddle whatever mindless bullshit you could, saying it in any quasi-'hip' way, and get applauded for being 'on top of the story'....even if you sacrificed the FULL story, to appease your listening audience! Same with music...didn't you play a lot of commercial crap, so you could charge higher advertising fees??? I think you'd say ANYTHING to assure your 'popularity'(just like the business end of radio), without giving a damn, about its accuracy, taste, or lasting effects, on who is listening, ..just so long as the ratings are high, and the bucks keep coming in!!! That's EXACTLY what you do on here...but that's all you've known to do...for years now! Now I'm sure you'll come out with shit like how you're so 'right' like you did in that other thread, making a complete ass of yourself, in the process(which you got called on, and by others)...and how your 'station(read:computer blogging), is 'the best in the west', and how 'hip' and 'dialed in' you are. But the truth is, though you use broadcasting logic, and make things 'SOUND' like you know what you're talking about, therefore the 'host with the most', a great deal what you spout off about, on here, is complete bullshit! You've heard myself AMONG others, point to the media, and blast it for being dishonest, corrupt, biased, and misleading..for profit..well good ol' pal...YOU ARE THE MEDIA!!! and your posts are the same mindless and almost persuasive blather, that we've all come to know about the media!!!! Maybe you should take a commercial break, only to find out that the policies you're selling out to, the public can't afford the crap you're peddling...what are you going to do now??? Now I'm expecting to hear a broadcasted 'disclaimer', and proceed to demonize me, as you've tried so many times before, but I'm calling you on your practice, ethics, and media propaganda, that you're spewing forth, with complete abandon to any responsibility 'to its content'...( a phrase the media recites when they broadcast shit, that might be controversial, and get their listener audience's knickers in a twist, so they can say, that they're 'trying to bring all sides', in case, that audience thinks the station is actually as lame as the show they put on)...God no! don't think bad of us, we're only the radio station.(We can be lame, and get away with it). Sorry Charlie....Don't talk to me about ethics, you 'sell out' con man for the highest bidder of advertising time! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,999 Date: 08 Dec 09 - 10:21 PM The question I would ask is this: "What percentage of HIV infections in the USA are incurred due to male-to-male sexual contact?" Ther are gangs of CDC websites--many local authorities as it were. I would expect that because the number of gay individuals in SanFrancisc seems to be higher there than say Jacksonville, Florida, that local stats on new HIV infections may indeed be 53%. The question refers to the USA. I simply do NOT believe the 53% figure. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. I'd simply like something resembling a more definitive answer. Thank you, Jeri. I'm also grateful to you for offering. It seems thsi thread is one 'side' giving the gears to the 'other side'. Lots of opinions and few freakin' facts. When asked to seek the facts, neither side does. Go figure. Anyway, thank you again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Jeri Date: 08 Dec 09 - 10:14 PM What question should I ask the CDC? If the figures they published on their website are correct? I'll feel just a little bit stupid doing that, so maybe there's another way to phrase the question. (I'm not calling tonight anyway. Not terribly awake.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,999 Date: 08 Dec 09 - 10:11 PM 800-CDC-INFO (800-232-4636) TOLL-FREE number. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,999 Date: 08 Dec 09 - 10:10 PM "QUESTION: WILL anyone from here call the CDC? Toll-free number below. " I don't know how to rephrase the fucking question. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: frogprince Date: 08 Dec 09 - 10:08 PM "Don, TIA, and a lot of their fellow clowns ...claim to want 'tolerance' for homosexuals, but have NONE for those who prefer the traditional nuclear family." An absolutely groundless, pointless, supposed extrapolation of anything anyone here has said. To "prefer" a traditional family is by no means synonymous with ranting that no other combination can be considered a family. "...but want to 'imitate' them, in you supposed 'same gender' family 'structure'." Is this supposed to mean that each of the individuals you refer to is now in a same-sex relationship, but wants to imitate the traditional family? Or is it supposed to mean that those individuals want to imitate same sex couples? There's no way to be sure from this mess of non-sentence structure, but either meaning would be absurd. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Jeri Date: 08 Dec 09 - 10:08 PM From http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm HIV Incidence Estimate So the figures are from 2008, and the '53%' is new HIV infections, not 'AIDS'. I won't continue any argument here. It's the same discussion that happens whenever someone says 'homosexual' around here. It starts out being about marriage or people being put to death, but the same old 'homosexuality is evil' bigots kick get back on that high horse and shove the discussion back to their scripts. If hatred compels a person to have the same frustrating knee jerk reactions over and over, to shove conversations back into the familiar rut, that person has a problem. I only have a problem if I try to argue or reason with them. For most of us, this is just discussion. I think maybe for other people, it's something a lot deeper and they can't NOT go ballistic. The virus is passed blood to blood, and anal sex makes that more convenient. Promiscuity and lack of condom use are risky behaviors. Having a penis makes a person more likely to spread the virus. Being penetrated by a penis makes a person more likely to get infected. People having sex with those in a population where there's already a high rate of infection makes a person more likely to contract the virus. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,999 Date: 08 Dec 09 - 08:20 PM QUESTION: WILL anyone from here call the CDC? Toll-free number below. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don Firth Date: 08 Dec 09 - 08:17 PM God help your patients, GfS, because it's obvious that you certainly can't. And it's not politics, it's ethics. You've heard of it, haven't you? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Ebbie Date: 08 Dec 09 - 07:58 PM " ...denser of the two, is the one who can't see him or herself as part of the problem, and uses that tactic to refuse to take responsibility. Instead, its rationalize, and justify, rationalize and more justification.....EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON HERE WITH THE USUAL VILLAGE IDIOTS! GET A CLUE, AND LOOK FOR TRUTH, objectively, AND IF IT SHEDS LIGHT, ON ONE OF YOUR PRECONCEIVED BIASES, THEN POSSIBLE CONSIDER CHANGING YOUR MIND IN LIGHT OF NEW INFORMATION!!!!! " Couldn't have said it better myself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Dec 09 - 07:48 PM Funny how Don, TIA, and a lot of their fellow clowns throw the word 'homophobe' around so freely. You claim to want 'tolerance' for homosexuals, but have NONE for those who prefer the traditional nuclear family, but want to 'imitate' them, in you supposed 'same gender' family 'structure'. This has nothing to do with the well-being of children; this is more like using them as 'props', for two dysfunctional 'adults' pretending to play house!!! In light of that, being slandered with 'homophobe' or 'bigot', should maybe be reserved for those who call homosexuals 'fagots', or 'fudge-packers'...and nobody has called them that on here and certainly not me!..nor Akenaton, for all I can remember. So, who is the two faced hypocrite???? You can't have it both ways, but I don't think you can see it both ways. You can't even be honest enough with yourself to be objective, and look for truth, that doesn't fit into your preconceived notion of the hypocritical political crap you subscribe to! When I answered Smedley, it was meant to point out that there is MORE to relationships, than scratching each others sex drive itches. But thanks to the narrow mindedness of the defenders of hypocrisy, you turned it into something else, so you could champion your folly, instead of addressing what was said or meant. WHAT A SORRY LOT!!! Don is already renowned for that very tactic, and has been called on it repeatedly....but he doesn't learn, from past mistakes, which, by the way, is a classic symptom of a psychotic! Look it up for yourself! And yes, I am a counselor, and one thing I've known through the years of doing it, is the denser of the two, is the one who can't see him or herself as part of the problem, and uses that tactic to refuse to take responsibility. Instead, its rationalize, and justify, rationalize and more justification.....EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON HERE WITH THE USUAL VILLAGE IDIOTS! GET A CLUE, AND LOOK FOR TRUTH, objectively, AND IF IT SHEDS LIGHT, ON ONE OF YOUR PRECONCEIVED BIASES, THEN POSSIBLE CONSIDER CHANGING YOUR MIND IN LIGHT OF NEW INFORMATION!!!!! In other words, to quote John Belushi, "WISE UP!" yourselves, instead of 'dumbing' down all around you, so you can 'feel' accepted' and comfortable!!! ....But then, after all, you are the products of political propaganda! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don Firth Date: 08 Dec 09 - 06:23 PM GfS, I don't know what Smedley has in mind, but what indicates to me that you are a flag-waving, card-carrying homophobe is that you spend so much of your time and effort trying to peddle your anti-gay propaganda on this and other threads (and God knows where else). That, plus the fact that you are dedicated to denying a minority equal rights and protection under the law (civil rights) is what brands you indelibly as a bigot. Sorry, GfS, but you are condemned out of your own mouth (i.e., keyboard). Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,999 Date: 08 Dec 09 - 06:20 PM So, no one called the CDC? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Dec 09 - 05:51 PM Smedley:"....don't throw the term 'homophobe' around lightly, but you deserve to have it tattooed on your forehead. " I have to consider the source, and coming from a homosexual, you may confuse a 'homophobe' with any person who is supportive of the family structure, consisting of one man, one woman, children of those two. Because that is out of your(and a lot of others in here) reach, don't project a phobia onto happy family people who couldn't give a rat's ass on your particular dysfunction.......(Bingo)! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don Firth Date: 08 Dec 09 - 02:58 PM By the way: ". . . homosexuals are 50 times more likely to develop aids than heteros." This "statistic"is purely speculative, and as such, nothing more than someone's wild guess. For example, people who engage in the dangerous practice of sky-diving are 99% more likely to bury their faces three feet deep into the hardpan than people who engage in the practice of Morris dancing. Those who are born male have a 100% greater chance of getting prostate cancer than those who are born female. So, what of any significance can we learn from "statistics" like this, eh? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 08 Dec 09 - 02:49 PM ""Don, as you know I dont normally respond to your shite, but when in the last few months have you posted any topic of any interest whatsoever?"" Your posting history is available to any who wish to test the veracity of your blatantly lying first sentence. Your responses to my comments are a matter of record, and those who choose to check will also be able to ascertain that you rarely make a logical, sensible or pertinent response. My posts too are a matter of record, and I will happily accept the verdict of members other than yourself and GfS, as to which of us actually has enough grasp of reality to post sound common sense, and which of us is on a one man campaign to set human progress back a hundred years. If you want a battle of wits, you'll need to achieve better than your current half equipped status. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Don Firth Date: 08 Dec 09 - 02:43 PM As to the matter of procreation, some same-sex couples do want children. There are a couple of ways of accomplishing this. Perhaps the easiest method is adoption. Twice now, one of the same-sex couples I mention above have made trips to China, adopted infants from a Chinese orphanage, and are raising them. These kids are going to have a much better life with Steve ("Daddy") and Dave ("Papa") as their parents than they would have had otherwise. Granted, it's not a conventional family life, but it's far better for them than no family life at all. Steve and Dave are both attorneys and have the resources to see that these kids get good educations and have everything they need. There are a lot of kids in the world who are not so lucky. Another couple (also both attorneys) have suddenly found themselves with four children. Surrogate mother, in vitro fertilization. Eric has a two year old son. And by the same surrogate mother, Jim wound up with triplets! Other than being a bit dazed, everyone is doing fine, thank you very much! And the kids are all at least half-related, through the mother. By the way, both of these couples have female friends and relatives who spend a lot of time with the kids (baby sitting and such), so it's not as if the young 'uns are bereft of having women around. And they have the support of their church whenever they might need it. And GfS, ". . . as to a certain inner sadness that homosexuals had in common." Which fortune cookie did you get that totally unsubstantiated bit of hokum from? Your half-vast experience as a "counselor," not doubt! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Smedley Date: 08 Dec 09 - 05:41 AM Guest from Sanity: I used the word "practices" because I took it directly from Paco's idiotic 'contribution' to the debate. He (or, I guess but I hope not, possible she) sure as hell meant sexual practices as that post shuddered homophobically at the thought of the organ/orifice conjunctions we homos are known to enjoy. I merely pointed out that putting Thing A in Hole B (etc etc) was not sexuality-specific. The other issues you introduced in your hyper-ventilating attempt to point-score against me are nothing to do with Paco's original point. I don't throw the term 'homophobe' around lightly, but you deserve to have it tattooed on your forehead. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Dec 09 - 04:38 AM TIA:'I also have two kids of my own that did not involve my organs. Are they any less my kids counselor?' Well, that's what I was talking about! Children from the original parents, in answer to Smedley's post. By the way, sure looks like I hit a nerve!..Which in my earlier post(Prop 8 thread), I broached that subject, both sensitively, and compassionately, if you remember, as to a certain inner sadness that homosexuals had in common. The same is often true, with two families trying to join together, as in hetero, broken homes. So, what is it? You finally came roaring out of the closet, to 'set me straight', and tripped over your own truth???? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,TIA Date: 08 Dec 09 - 12:15 AM And now I will "sit on it" (are you picturing that Ake?). Being as you will never convince me, and I will never convince you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,TIA Date: 08 Dec 09 - 12:13 AM Yup, homosexual couples have children. Drives you crazy, but they do. I also have two kids of my own that did not involve my organs. Are they any less my kids counselor? God help your "clients" if you answer the way your posting thought process dictates. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,TIA Date: 07 Dec 09 - 11:54 PM Gross intolerance is exactly the point. And personal attacks should not be defended with pseudo-philosophical self-righteousness. Evil flourishes when good people do nothing. -Edmund Burke (maybe) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Dec 09 - 11:50 PM TIA, Do you mean to tell me that these homosexual couples had children from having sex with each other????...That was what I was asking Smedley....Being as he said that..."I am an ordinary person. And a homosexual. 99% of the practices (such aromantic word) I indulge in can be, and are, indulged in by heterosexual couples." So, if you can't sit still...sit on it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: GUEST,TIA Date: 07 Dec 09 - 11:28 PM I have stayed the Hell out until this excrable piece of nonsense. Now I cannot sit still. The full quote is: "99%????..You mean you leave out, finding a partner of the opposite sex, loving that person, crossing the differences of the genders, making love to that person, producing a child, with, and by that person, and spending your days, raising and loving that child, into adulthood???" Let me parse and add commentary: "99%????..You mean you leave out, finding a partner of the opposite sex," Why does a loving partner need to be of the opposite sex? "loving that person," Ditto! "crossing the differences of the genders," WTF? Why does this matter? Can't we also say appreciating the PERSON? "making love to that person," Yup, got that covered. But this is the point where Ake has such vivid imagingings. "producing a child, with, and by that person," So procreation is all that matters? What about the heteros who marry late in life? Or those who decide to not have kids? You are no fooking counselor...trust me. "and spending your days, raising and loving that child, into adulthood???" I have three (count 'em three!) immediate relatives who have all done this while married to a same-sex partner. And the kids are happy, well-adjusted successes with kids of their own. Again, you are no fooking counselor. You are a poser. A fraud. Now go make up a character to agree with you. And use no capitals to disguise your "voice". And, be sure to not use the phrase "being as", or you will be transparent on the spot. Go. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Little Hawk Date: 07 Dec 09 - 11:20 PM If there were a death penalty for humorlessness, gross intolerance of differing viewpoints, knee-jerk emotional reactions of a very predictable nature, vicious personal attacks on other posters, and outrageous self-righteousness carried to the point of unintentional humor, this place would be littered with dead bodies like the Alamo after the battle was done. That's why I ignore this thread most of the time. It's like visiting a toxic waste dump. Interesting to look at....but you don't want to hang around too long, because you might get poisoned by all the ill will. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality? From: Amos Date: 07 Dec 09 - 10:15 PM A rcent set of Figures is here (CDC Statistics). 2007 data: Whites 12,556 Blacks 21,549 Hispanic 7,484 Male adult or adolescent: Male-to-male sexual contact 22,472 High-risk heterosexual contact 4,551 of a total of 31,518. Female adult or adolescent: Injection drug use 1,806 High-risk heterosexual contactc 9,076 Otherd 96 of a total of 10,977. This shows a ratio between MtoM sexual contact and hetero male sex of 22:4.4, about 5:1 (not 50). Note that 22/31 of male cases are from MtoM sexual contact.(70%) In females, the ratio of high-risk hetero sexual contact is 9 out of 10.9, nearly 95%. These numbers do not support any of the cut-and-dried arguments in this thread as far as I can see. 70% of males cases come from male homosexual contacts while 90+% of cases in females come from unsafe hetero contact. Perhaps the moral of the story is "Don't have sex with males no matter what your gender!" A |
