BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Mar 10 - 07:20 AM

""Why doesn't everyone who is all for minimizing the effects of 'how many get what', and 'why', and with the odds, you've figured out, convince yourselves that there is hardly any chance you won't get anything, because its all safe now, it's your civil right,too""

Ignoring the lousy grammar, and making some kind of sense out of this rant, I gather you are talking about hetero Keith A, who is the only one minimising dangers here.

He won't thank you for calling him a liberal though. Akenaton would never back him up again.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Mar 10 - 07:37 AM

I like to think that I am liberal Don, but there is no liberal virtue in concealing any known facts about infection.
Is there?

I am bemused that you say I minimise dangers.
I feel that I have gone to extraordinary lengths to define and quantify the dangers.
Could you explain your criticism please?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Mar 10 - 03:21 PM

Don T: "Ignoring the lousy grammar, and making some kind of sense out of this rant, I gather you are talking about hetero Keith A, who is the only one minimising dangers here."

GfS: Quit being stupid, OK?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 20 Mar 10 - 10:26 AM

""GfS: Quit being stupid, OK?""

Quit giving orders, OK? You have NO authority here.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Mar 10 - 02:12 PM

Don has every "right" to practice stupidity GFS

You are a "stupidiphobe" and Don is an acknowledged expert!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 20 Mar 10 - 03:37 PM

The death penalty has been shown to be ineffective as a deterrent to homicide.
As for homosexuality, this is a human right that is biologically determined and to
put people to death because of it is no different than any other type of dictatorship
that executes those who disagree with the dictator for any reason.

One of the chief causes of AIDS is drug use. Legalizing drugs and helping those who
are addicted would go a long way to dealing with this epidemic.

Homosexuals can be as judicious and monogamous as heterosexuals and don't require any special policing. AIDS is now transmitted by hetero as well as homo sexuals.

It will be impossible to determine exactly how many people are afflicted with AIDS.
Those who are because they are targeted will keep their statistics under wraps.
The only way to get people to come forward is to "decriminalize" the problem.

For this, needless to say, every civilized country needs to decriminalize homosexual
or lesbian activity and respect the rights of loving couples anywhere to engage in a
monogamous or continuous relationship based on mutual respect.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Keith A
Date: 21 Mar 10 - 05:20 AM

Stringsinger,
In this thread it has been shown that in UK
It is not spreading among heteros, except in the new African communities.
Experts advise MSMs to be tested every 6 months.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Mar 10 - 08:34 AM

Stringsinger, my reply was abrupt and lacking compassion.
It was not meant to be and I agree with your sentiments.
It is just that since Jan 10th, I have been trying to correct false assertions and to find the evidence to establish the true situation.
In return I have had nothing but ridicule, abuse and insults.
keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Mar 10 - 07:07 PM

Don T: "Quit giving orders, OK? You have NO authority here."

Is that an order, sir?????

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 05:05 AM

Royston, you were always telling me to "keep it going" but you are giving me no more ludicrous, deceitful assertions to unravel.
Shall I just summarise our part of the debate and be finished?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 03:36 AM

Hey Keith.....Hi!

Have all the bullets stopped flying?

Regards,
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 05:00 AM

On the first chime of "Big Ben" all hostilities will cease.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 10:13 AM

To wind up the debate started by Royston on 10th Jan.
He claimed a change in pattern of infection.
Not true.
He claimed that it was starting to spread among heteros.
Not true except among expat Africans.
He claimed that heteros disproportionately effected by STIs.
Not true.
He claimed the non existant rise among "filthy heterosexuals" was due to their lack of morals and disgusting sexual hygiene.
Bigot.
He claimed only about 2% of MSMs get AIDS.
Over 10% become infected.
Everything he ever said about AIDS was wrong, and I believe he knew it to be false all along.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 01:33 PM

Ye gods. Give it up, will you?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: GUEST,en passe
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 12:12 PM

Sadly Zimbabwe PM rejects gay rights move the original topic of the thread is still very much on the agenda :-(

The language of hate is never far away

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 06:04 PM

Now I'M confused......Is it racist to call Ugandans homophobic?

Fuck it! I'm away for a pint!

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 04:51 AM

Men who have sex with men remain the group most at risk of becoming infected with HIV.

New diagnoses in this group alone have increased by 70% in the past 10 years.

There are more than 30,000 men who have sex with men living with HIV in the UK and experts estimate nearly a third of these are currently undiagnosed and unaware that they are infected.

Another high risk group that would benefit from increased HIV testing, according to NICE, is the black African community living in England.

In 2009, more than 2,000 black Africans were diagnosed with an HIV infection; one-third of all new diagnoses in the UK.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12817564

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 06:55 PM

HPA (UK) figures and recommendations.

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Routine HIV tests for areas with high levels
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"A doubling of new HIV infections in the UK in the past decade is leading experts to tell GPs to offer testing to all adult male patients in some areas," reported BBC News.

The news report is based on the latest data, which showed that new diagnoses of HIV acquired in the UK have nearly doubled in 10 years, from 1,950 cases in 2001 to 3,780 in 2010. The figures, published today, have been released by the Health Protection Agency.

The data shows that men who have sex with men remain the group most at risk, with new cases rising by 70% (1,810 in 2001 to 3,080 in 2010).

The figures have been published in connection with new guidance by NICE. The guidance is aimed at increasing the uptake of HIV testing in this group.

The guidance suggests that regular, routine testing is offered to all men who register with a GP surgery in areas that have high levels of HIV. Routine testing will also be offered to men who live in areas that have a large community of men who have sex with men. It is also recommended that men in these areas are offered HIV tests when admitted to hospital.



What is the news based on?
The figures for the numbers of new HIV diagnoses have been released by the Health Protection Agency (HPA), an independent UK health watchdog, set up to protect the public from threats to their health from infectious diseases and environmental hazards.

The guidance comes from the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE), which provides guidance, sets quality standards and manages a national database to improve people's health and prevent and treat ill-health.



What are the aims of the new NICE guidelines?
To increase HIV testing to help reduce undiagnosed infection and prevent transmission among men who have sex with men. The guidance suggests that healthcare professionals offer regular, routine testing to all men in high-prevalence areas, and to those who live in areas with large communities of men who have sex with men.



Why focus on men who have sex with men?
Men who have sex with men remain the group most at risk of becoming infected with HIV. In 2009, there were 6,630 people diagnosed with HIV in the UK. Over 40% of these new diagnoses were among men who have sex with men.

In total, there are about 30,800 men who have sex with men living with HIV in the UK. It is estimated that nearly 9,000 of these men are unaware that they are infected.



What areas have a high prevalence of HIV?
For these guidelines, high prevalence was defined as areas with more than two diagnosed cases per 1,000 people. The HPA has produced a table showing which primary care trusts fall within this definition.



Why increase testing?
Generally, the sooner a person with HIV is diagnosed the better their outcome. HIV can be successfully managed with antiretroviral therapies. However, if someone is diagnosed late it's more likely that the virus will have already seriously damaged their immune system. Late diagnosis is one of the biggest contributing factors to illness and death for people with HIV. Almost a third of people in the UK who are diagnosed as HIV positive are diagnosed late.

By getting an early diagnosis, people with HIV will have better health and a longer life expectancy.

Lack of a diagnosis also increases the likelihood that the virus will be passed onto other sexual partners.



What is the advice to GPs for routine HIV tests?
NICE advises that HIV testing should be offered and recommended to all men who:

•register with a practice in an area with a large community of men who have sex with men
•register with a practice in an area with a high HIV prevalence (high prevalence means more than two diagnosed cases per 1000 people)
•disclose that they have sex with other men
•are known to have sex with men and have not had a HIV test in the previous year
•are known to have sex with men and disclose that they have changed sexual partner or engaged in high-risk sexual practices
•have symptoms that may either indicate HIV, or that HIV is part of the differential diagnosis
•are diagnosed with, or request screening for, a sexually transmitted infection
•live in a high-prevalence area and are undergoing blood tests for another reason
HIV testing should also be offered to men who are admitted to hospital with the following circumstances:

•are admitted in areas with a high prevalence of HIV
•disclose that they have sex with men
•have symptoms that may indicate HIV, or HIV is part of the differential diagnosis

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: mauvepink
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 07:37 AM

Am not sure what the stats and this particular branch on the news has to do with OP or the topic of hanging homosexuals.

More significant news was released yesterday about the rights of gay people in other countries, more in keeping with the thread perhaps

85 countries sign UN gay rights resolution

Somewhat tongue in cheek it may be worth reiterating Women who have sex with men are most likely to contact HPV and thus risk their chances of cervical cancer. Women who have sex with men and get pregnant risk death from associated pregnancy risks and Women die having abortions, men never do! Now people are at risk too of esophageal cancer due to HPV. No doubt about it. Unprotected sex is risky without doubt for anyone having sex with men!!! Now no-one is suggesting that women should not have sex with men but it is worth noting the unprotectedness element is what spreads disease and makes it very risky indeed

Smoking certainly kills. Maybe they should invent a condom for cigarettes as so many die from cancers and and heart disease associated with smoking. Driving and even being a pedestrian is quite risky too

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 08:12 AM

The latter part of the thread was about the comparative risks of HIV.
Royston and Lox claimed that the risk to MSMs was declining, and hetero infections were overtaking them.

It was not true then, and the trend has continued in the opposite direction since.
They were wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Mar 11 - 04:52 AM

Of course, there is no disgrace in being wrong about a complex issue.
What is not forgiveable is that instead of just making their case, they tried to undermine and discredit those of us who were actually right with constant accusations of bigotry.

Lox and Jim Carrol have been using the same disgraceful tactic on the Muslim Prejudice thread right up until yesterday.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Mar 11 - 05:06 AM

Not surpised to find you here Keith, cuttin'-an-pastin' away - along with your friend Ake.
And certainly not surprised to find that your first appearance and recurring theme on this thread was to link homosexuality with race.
Shouldn't you be at a Beirkeller rally somewhere, or maybe on a 'Pakie-bashing' mission?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Smedley
Date: 26 Mar 11 - 05:41 AM

Bloody hell, if there was EVER a thread that didn't need dredging up from the Mudcat seabed.....

But since it has been, in keeping with what it was originally about, it might be of interest to some that the proposed law in Uganda has now lost any chance of being passed. Good news for once, though the issue of endemic and severe homophobia in that country remains alive and well.

Now Keith, could you please go back to your 'Muslim' thread, as it still need several hundred more posts to reach the size of this old monster.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Mar 11 - 05:41 AM

Despicable.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for homosexuality?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Mar 11 - 05:44 AM

Not you Smedley.
We cross posted.
keith.