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BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified

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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: mauvepink
Date: 07 Jan 11 - 08:21 AM

Of course! ;-)   lol

Gay boys/men can dance the night away until I am tired out and then some...

mp


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: Smedley
Date: 07 Jan 11 - 08:07 AM

*Straight* white boys, perhaps


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: mauvepink
Date: 07 Jan 11 - 08:03 AM

A bit like the old disco joke.... "White boys can't dance" (though there was some thruth in that) lol

mp


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: Smedley
Date: 07 Jan 11 - 07:55 AM

That whistling thing became a kind of urban myth (or was already one before Fleming gave it a higher profile). My Dad told me it was widely believed during his years in the Navy. (Please supply your own sailor references/jokes if you really can't contain yourself......)


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 07 Jan 11 - 07:44 AM

The novelist Ian Fleming once stated (I don't know if it was in a James Bond book though) that gay men cannot whistle.

Whilst trying to work that one out, it occurred to me that there is an equally absurd outrageous comment doing the rounds,

Why gays should not marry.

I went to a civil partnership celebration a couple of years ago, (both grooms refused to call it a wedding till the law catches up with the law,) and had a bloody good time. Mothers crying, risqué best man speech, the full monty. As some of the congregation were bell ringers, they had arranged a quarter peel at the cathedral that afternoon. Sadly, they didn't tell the Dean the matter of the occasion. After all, the old bigot might not have allowed it, despite one of the grooms being a regular ringer there.

So sad, so wrong, so out of step with the rest of the world and as ever, so damned hypocritical.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: mauvepink
Date: 07 Jan 11 - 07:18 AM

LOL!

It's taken me ages to understand mousethief's last post. I finally got it!

navels being innies or outies? If that's not it then I am in deep trouble.

Good to see you around again Smedley

I am so thick sometimes :-(
In my experience it's not the ones who are overtly gay that you need to be careful of or feared about, but the overtly 'un-gay'! Those who are secure in their own sexualities seldom kick up much fuss about others who have a different orientation. Just an observation though

Happy new year one and all, persuaded or not! lol (as I believe this is my first here of 2011) :-)

mp


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: mousethief
Date: 02 Jan 11 - 07:16 PM

Smedley, we know your sexual orientation now, but the configuration of your belly button is just more than we need to know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: Smedley
Date: 02 Jan 11 - 11:27 AM

No worries, erbert, I've been out for more of my life than I was ever 'in' !


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: J-boy
Date: 02 Jan 11 - 01:00 AM

As far as I'm concerned being gay is about as abnormal or strange as being left-handed. Watch out for those Lefties!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: GUEST,erbert
Date: 02 Jan 11 - 12:12 AM

hi Smedley, I had a good happy new years drink last night
[wine in full pint beer mugs]...

My bemused observations here were not intended to challenge any mudcatters to put themselves on the line & out themselves..

But fair play mate.. takes a real man with big balls
to stand up for justice in a public arena against all the misguided thinking otherwise relatively ok folks,
the simple conformist ignorant idiots, and the loud minority of hateful nasty bastards..


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: Smedley
Date: 01 Jan 11 - 05:58 PM

To erbert - hello, I'm a gay man who posts here & there on Mudcat. In a previous thread on homo issues last year (which got into a four-figure posts total!!) I did try and talk some sense to the site's leading homophobic double act but I gave up eventually. They reject that label, by the by, but they would, wouldn't they ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Jan 11 - 01:40 PM

Great!!(?)

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: Amos
Date: 01 Jan 11 - 11:12 AM

GfS:

Well, having the nude guy on the bicycle trundle through a PTA meeting would be disruptive and unusual, but it might jar the ladies out of their canalized, rigid thought patterns for a millisecond. How many of them would be doing size comparisons in their heads?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Jan 11 - 11:07 AM

Mousethief certainly gives the impression of being a "male member"...but if he's a lassie I apologise unreservedly...


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: mousethief
Date: 01 Jan 11 - 02:35 AM

Hard to blame anybody who wouldn't want ake & co. jumping down their throats.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: GUEST,erbert
Date: 01 Jan 11 - 02:08 AM

Considering our present day UK loose and casual cultural attitude towards all things and friends and relatives openly gay...

I just realised in all the years, at least half decade, I've been a regular visitor and nuisance,
under who knows how many IDs and personas here at mudcat..
[actually Joe probably knows them all],

I don't ever recall any posts from any mudcatter actually identifying himself as least bit overtly gay male member ???

Come to think of it, that is a bit weird from the perspective of anyone least bit involved
in the UK music and arty culture scene..!!!???


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: J-boy
Date: 01 Jan 11 - 01:51 AM

Happy New Year to guys and gals of every persuasion!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: akenaton
Date: 31 Dec 10 - 08:07 PM

And a good new year to you Brian, and all Mudcatters everywhere!(just sunk my second Glenlivet)


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: mousethief
Date: 31 Dec 10 - 06:50 PM

In point of fact, ake, I have NOT seen you give a good account in other threads. Your unwillingness to try, and your bluster here, show pretty well you can't. "Long and hard to explain" my ass. You don't have any answers, you have absolutely no link between where you want to go and the ways you are promoting to get there. In fact I have never seen you actually promote any course of action -- only denigrate others' proposed courses of action. Your only recourse in any discussion is to shout "look at the numbers!" Well the numbers aren't self-interpreting, and they do not say what we should do to change them. Nor have you.

Note I have not used any insults so you can't use that to ignore what I say (one of your favorite ploys).


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: mousethief
Date: 31 Dec 10 - 06:46 PM

Is THAT really all you've got?

Translation: I cannot respond so I will bluster.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: Brian May
Date: 31 Dec 10 - 03:48 PM

Ake,

You and Don aren't married are you? (I mean to each other), you'd make a great married couple ;o).

Have a great new year and try to overcome your inability to express yourself . . .

Brian


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Dec 10 - 03:39 PM

Amos: "3. If they marry they will create a stable environment in which children who lack a stable home can be safely adopted without fear of their being exposed to male-female relationships."

Well, if you see this showing up at your PTA meeting........

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: akenaton
Date: 31 Dec 10 - 03:33 PM

G'night gnu!!......and a Happy new year from Bonnie Scotland!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: Don Firth
Date: 31 Dec 10 - 03:32 PM

Just one more observation, Ake. You just proved my point about the intellectually bankrupt (you) resorting to insults and abuse when cornered.

Also, I'm now thoroughly convinced that you're primarily a troll. You just don't want people to walk out on you, so you just keep rattling on with the same batch of road apples.

Ta ta. Better things to do. A world to change.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: gnu
Date: 31 Dec 10 - 03:28 PM

Oh my.... how many thousands of posts will it take?

ake... you are one of the best trolls ever. Give yourself a thumb up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: akenaton
Date: 31 Dec 10 - 03:25 PM

Btw Don..... you better not respond again, you did PROMISE to fuck off! :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: akenaton
Date: 31 Dec 10 - 03:22 PM

I have provided a whole litany of reasons why the promotion of homosexuality in mainstream society is against the interests of homos and heteros...All backed by independent studies and statistics

Health figures, promiscuity figures, homosexual "marriage"/civil union figures....none of which has been refuted by you monkeys(sorry Chongo)

All you have is "Boo Hoo it isn't fair"....you cant even define what is fair and what is unfair in this society,and there are numerous examples! Some relating to drug addiction, some to unhealthy behaviour, some relating to people with psychiatric problems.

All these rules are "unfair" by your yardstick but are retained in the interests of society and of the people who are being "unfairly treated"

Have you tried fish oil and beetroot juice? They say it can rejuvenate brain cells long thought dead!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: Don Firth
Date: 31 Dec 10 - 03:02 PM

Just one more general note:

I am amused and just a bit disgusted by the abysmal ignorance of those on this and other threads who use the word "liberal" as a pejorative—an insult. Those who do so have undoubtedly never heard of John Locke (1634—1704), haven't a clue as to what liberalism is all about, and wouldn't know a liberal if he bit them on the ass.

My mother always told me never to use a word if I didn't know what it meant.

Also, I am amused and disgusted by those who, when a point they are trying to make is totally refuted, can only resort to insults and abuse. Intellectually bankrupt and graphically demonstrating it.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: akenaton
Date: 31 Dec 10 - 02:48 PM

Is THAT really all you've got?

It never ceases to amaze me how a political dogma can turn rational people into mindless automatons.

Then I think back to my very young days in the YCL....(I've been where you are chaps, you'll grow up some day) :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: Don Firth
Date: 31 Dec 10 - 02:27 PM

I agree, John. One more point and then I'm out of here. Why waste time arguing with a mind that's closed and locked?

". . . and why I am against bringing homosexual practice into mainstream society. . . ."

News Flash, Ake! It's already IN mainstream society. And YOU are opposed to allowing measures to make it safer. Such as encouraging stable, monogamous relationships

Are you really incapable of seeing how contradictory your position is?

THINK, man, THINK!!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: John P
Date: 31 Dec 10 - 08:33 AM

Is there any chance this thread won't turn into another Akenaton-against-the-world rehashing of the same arguments we've had a hundred times before?

If we don't ignore him he won't go away. There is no discussion of homosexuality he won't jump on. As soon as we start, once again, responding to him, the entire conversation becomes about Akenaton's loss of contact with reality on this topic.

Ignore him . . . .ignore him . . . . . ignore him . . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: Lox
Date: 31 Dec 10 - 07:22 AM

Ake's answers did not stand up to scrutiny in any of the other threads.

He provided evidence which showed that, in europe and America, homosexuals suffer HIV and AIDS disproportonately compared to any other demographic.

From that he drew a whole range of unconnected conclusions concerning lifestyle and promiscuity to name but two.

He deliberately ignored the rest of the evidence that refuted his conclusions.

His arguments remain as weak and facile as his opinions are dogmatic and unsupported.

His fascination with this subject remains a matter of concern.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: akenaton
Date: 31 Dec 10 - 05:13 AM

Come,come Amos....You're a big enough man to take a little roughing up!

I dont think I made the comparison that you cite, but the Scandinavian study on Homosexual marriage and civil union,
definitly stated that the numbers of extramarital partners was much larger in homosexual unions than in hetero unions.

These marriages/unions also lasted for a much shorter space of time in the homosexuals than in heterosexuals
These points led to the conclusion, that most homosexual marriages/unions were of convenience, that is, to facilitate the obtaining of benefits, immigration "rights",insurance etc, rather than to form a monogamous bond or set up a family structure.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: Leadfingers
Date: 31 Dec 10 - 05:06 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: akenaton
Date: 31 Dec 10 - 05:01 AM

Mousethief and TIA    I have answered these questions several times on other threads.
The issues are complicated and time consuming to explain again....I dont have the time or inclination to repeat myself forever, just because you are not paying attention.

If you are really interested, not just looking for a fight, go back through the threads and re-read them.....they contain the answers to all your questions regarding the situation in Africa and why I am against bringing homosexual practice into mainstream society while the life expectancy and health figures are so bad.

Homosexual "marriage",is in my opinion simply a tool to normalise a practice which is dangerous and unhealthy.
It is a tool of a political faction, not of a sexual minority.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: Amos
Date: 31 Dec 10 - 01:47 AM

Cor, AKe, you do make some wild assertions. Why do you think homosexual marriage should e more dangerous to those who practice it than homosexual playing the field?

Arrant nonsense, I think.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: LadyJean
Date: 31 Dec 10 - 12:48 AM

I know a young woman who was raised by two gay men. She's married, to a very nice young man and seems stable enough. Her one quirk is that she won't give her cat catnip because it's a drug.

I have a friend with three ex wives. If he wants to take on a fourth nobody is going to stop him, though somebody should. If he can get married why shouldn't two gays.

My chief problem with gay marriage is that I go to a church with a beautiful building and a very inclusive congregation. If Pennsylvania ever legalizes gay marriage every drag queen in town who wants a big church wedding will join that congregation, and I will choke every Sunday trying not to laugh. Not to mention the very unChristian thoughts I will have about men who look better than I do in a nice little print dress!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 31 Dec 10 - 12:35 AM

"No attempt to address the problems raised."

Exactly!!!!

So, what is your position on the legality of sub-Sharan Africans being allowed to marry?

I am waiting for the answer Mister Logical and Compassionate.

Do I really need to start counting your posts again?

Yes. You are clearly smart enough to remember.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: mousethief
Date: 30 Dec 10 - 09:21 PM

What's common sense about prohibiting gay marriage? What good would it serve? You always drag out numbers BUT NEVER TIE THEM TO ACTUAL POLICY RESULTS.

HOW would prohibiting gay marriage reduce AIDS mortality or morbidity? Answers on a postcard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Dec 10 - 08:30 PM

Well well I see the pro's have fallen back to default mode....."It's just no' fair Jimmy".

No attempt to address the problems raised.

No one said life was going to be fair suckers!
What is fair.....do you mean everyone should be treated equally regardless of behaviour. Is it fair that under eighteens are not allowed to buy cigarettes, yet are encouraged to die for the system?
The examples of unfairness are countless.

As Hawk says, homosexual marriage has become a political issue....In fact The "gay marriage" threads were started by Amos, in a bid to boost Democrat votes in one of the past elections.
I object to homosexuality being promoted by the media and as a "liberal" tool, while it is so obviously dangerous to those who practice it.

"liberal" dogma triumphs over common sense......we must be mad.

"Subject: BS: Californianas Opposing 'Prop 8' Ban
From: Amos - PM
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 07:25 PM

IF there is any chance you will be voting in California this election, please review some these videos (they are short) as to why the proposed rightwing Ban on Gay Marriage should be opposed by every voter at the polls"


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: Lox
Date: 30 Dec 10 - 07:44 PM

"and the figures from reputable independent sites like CDC are irrefutable. "

Yup - and the figures are that, with the exception of HIV, the highest suffering demographic of STDs is young heterosexual females.



But more importantly, they spelt "Britney" wrong!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: Amos
Date: 30 Dec 10 - 06:30 PM

Governor Signs Bills Eliminating Discriminatory Code, Legal Barriers for Same-Sex Couples

Sacramento Ð Yesterday, Governor Schwarzenegger signed into law two Equality California sponsored bills. The first bill, AB 2199, repeals a discriminatory section of the California Welfare Institutions code targeting lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people. The second bill, AB 2700, eliminates legal barriers for same-sex couples wishing to dissolve their domestic partnership and civil marriage simultaneously by creating a consolidated form and procedure.

ÒWe are grateful that our governor has decided to stand with us on the issue of repealing deeply offensive and blatantly false language from state law suggesting that gays and lesbians can and should be cured, as well as eliminating hurdles for same-sex couples seeking legal separation,Ó said Geoff Kors, executive director of Equality California. ÒAs the most populous state in the nation, California sends a palpable message with these new pieces of legislation with respect to LGBT equality. These two bills bring us closer to accomplishing our mission to achieve full equality for all LGBT Californians.Ó

AB 2199 calls for the repeal of a section of the California Welfare and Institutions code that instructs the State Department of Mental Health to conduct research into the Òcauses and cures of homosexuality,Ó with the implication that lesbian, gay, and bisexual Californians are sexual deviants, potential sex offenders and a threat to children. The code, which was originally authored in the 1950s, implies that lesbian, gay, and bisexual individuals can and should be cured, in direct contradiction with an enormous body of research that demonstrates otherwise. The bill was sponsored by Equality California and was introduced by Assemblymember Bonnie Lowenthal (D-Long Beach).

ÒThe witch hunt is now officially over,Ó said Assemblymember Bonnie Lowenthal.

The governor also signed the Separation Equity Act, or AB 2700, which will amend the state's family code, allowing for couples who first registered as domestic partners and who legally married thereafter to dissolve both contracts through a single, uniform procedure. The current system forces couples to go through a separate process for each, which can take an extra one to two years for each case to be resolved and unnecessarily burdens the judicial system. The bill also clarifies that same-sex couples who married outside of California and who have all the rights and responsibilities of marriage, may dissolve those out-of-state marriages in California. The bill was co-sponsored by Equality California and the Conference of California Bar Associations and introduced Assemblymember Fiona Ma (D-San Francisco).

ÒThe elimination of legal separation barriers for same-sex couples brings us one step closer to marriage equality,Ó said Assemblywoman Fiona Ma. ÒWith AB 2700 signed into law we are recognizing that all marriage should be treated alike, even when it comes to dissolving them.Ó


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 30 Dec 10 - 06:28 PM

""Actually I think gays SHOULD get married.""

You surprise me Amos.

It's not like you to take things a step too far, or am I missing some very subtle irony?

In my book it is just as bad telling them what they should do, as telling them what they shouldn't.

I would tell them that by Law they have the choice, and then butt the hell out, and let them decide.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: John P
Date: 30 Dec 10 - 06:11 PM

You're playing out the comfy, familiar "liberal" role that makes you feel most holy and righteous (as an anti-anti-gay crusader), and you've been cleverly led into it by the politicans and the mass media...solely for THEIR gain, not for yours.

It's a sad, sad case of the media and politicians driving the agenda, the tail wagging the dog, and people falling for it hook, line, and sinker...


Little Hawk, if you try really, really hard you might be able to be a little bit more of jerk. But you'd have to try really hard . . . What you are doing here is saying that everyone but you is a sheep being led around by the nose, without bothering to actually think about any issues. In other words, we're all stupid. Do you really expect to get away with that sort of asinine conversational technique? Do you really think you are very good at looking inside other people's heads? (you're not, by the way). Do you really think it's appropriate or beneficial to respond to individuals as if they were all the same type of stupid?

Just for the record, I am outraged by the legally imposed prejudice against gay people because I have lots of gay friends who are being discriminated against. I am outraged that the Bible is being used to spread hate. I'm outraged that people who find homosexuality icky are being allowed to turn their ick factor into laws. I don't pay much attention to anyone telling me what I ought to think -- I don't really listen to or read whatever liberal media and politicians are supposedly controlling my mind. If you don't like my outrage, can you tell me if the American South would have desegregated without a lot of outraged people? Would apartheid still exist if we hadn't gotten outraged about that? It was our outrage, in part, that ended the Viet Nam war. Sometimes, for important issues, it is necessary.

Here's a question for you: If you were at a coffee shop and fell into conversation with someone who was expressing extreme bigotry against blacks, would you tell them they were out of line, or would you tell them that the liberal press was the only reason they had to put up with all the anti-racist rhetoric?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: John P
Date: 30 Dec 10 - 04:50 PM

(If not, the illogic is thoroughly exposed)

All of Akenaton's illogic has been exposed literally hundreds of times. It doesn't seem to slow him down a bit. Since most of us have seen him being an intelligent and articulate man, capable of deep and insightful thought, his crusade to keep homosexuals from being allowed to be normal citizens is very fishy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 30 Dec 10 - 04:07 PM

Anyone who cites the unusually high rate of HIV in homosexuals as the true reason they should not get married must also oppose heterosexual marriage in sub-Saharan Africa, where the rates of HIV for all people are similarly high.






(If not, the illogic is thoroughly exposed)


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: mousethief
Date: 30 Dec 10 - 03:45 PM

There you go dragging reason into it, John P. Like that's going to work.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: John P
Date: 30 Dec 10 - 03:03 PM

Getting married is one thing, getting kids handed to them doesn't seem right. Take Elton John and his buddy. When that baby graduates, one of those old bitches is going to be coughing up Benefiber balls in the audience and the other is going to be bothering everyone with his geriatric farts!

Wow, you actually know Elton John and his partner? Are they really both bitches? Or are you just using derogatory language because the objects of your derision are gay? In the spirit of taking your own medicine, does your calling people you don't know names mean that we can refer to you from now on as "that slimy bastard"?

The only REASONS you gave for not liking their adoption of a child is centered on their age. Are you equally against hetero folks having the right to adopt if they are past a certain age?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: John P
Date: 30 Dec 10 - 02:51 PM

We are talking about ongoing metaphysical, cultural and general behavioural influences of ones peers.

Yes, people are influenced by the people they hang around with. And the problem is??? What, do you think being gay is contagious? Do you know anyone who is going to suddenly decide to be gay?

I hang around with musicians and get musical influences. I hang around with women and get feminine influences. I hang around with manly men and get the occasional home repair tip. I hang around with gay people and get . . . wait, they're just people. If they are musicians I get musical influences, if they know how to fix a car they give me advice, etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why Gays Should Not Marry, Simplified
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 30 Dec 10 - 02:44 PM

""Do any of you posting on this divisive thread consider human homosexuality an abnormal or immoral practice?""

Only a tiny but very vociferous minority friend, of which, I am more than happy to confirm, I am not a member.

But whatever I thought of that orientation would not alter my implacable opposition to any discrimination based upon it.

That is what is being deliberately pushed aside by that small minority. The issue here is a human being's right to all the freedoms which are available to his fellow humans.

Those who are opposed to Gay marriage are at no risk from it whatsoever, and those Gay men and women who wish to marry are reducing risk to the Gay community.

The argument that it diminishes hetero marriage is so puerile as to need no discussion.

Hence, opposition to Gay marriage clearly is about bias and prejudice in most cases.

Don T.


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