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frogprince 08 Dec 09 - 11:35 AM
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Subject: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: frogprince
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 11:35 AM

I've been using Voyetra MusicWrite Maestro for several years, and it served my needs pretty well. I just lost the program to a computer messup, and it's no longer available for a new download. Fortunately I do have all the midis I've made backed up. But I need a new program which: creates midis by entering regular score notation; prints regular scores from midis; provides a decent selection of instrumental choices. The Voyetra was fine for me, for about $60.00; I started with a cheaper version, but it had limitations such as no notes shorter than eighths, so I upgraded. Is there a good alternative out there now that won't set me back major bucks?
                            Thanks, Dean


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Subject: RE: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: TheSnail
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 12:11 PM

I use Noteworthy Composer which comes in at $49.


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Subject: RE: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 12:16 PM

I use Noteworthy also. There's a statement on their website that version 2 is compatible with the new operating system that Microsoft is selling. Something 7.


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Subject: RE: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: Valmai Goodyear
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 12:25 PM

Noteworthy Composer is very good; even a musical illiterate like me can use it. You can create multiple staves with different instrument voices, which is very useful for telling which is which when listening to experimental arrangements.


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Subject: RE: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 12:31 PM

I've been using Noteworthy Composer for over ten years, and I've never had a problem with it. I use Version 2 on Vista and Windows 7, but 1.75 also worked on Vista.
Some people swear by Finale Notepad, but I could never get used to its note-entry method. My stepson likes the full version of Finale, which has a relatively reasonable price for students.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 01:10 PM

Sibelius.


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Subject: RE: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: Nick
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 01:56 PM

Can't you download what you know from here - Voyetra Music Write Maestro download ? (In fact it seems to be available all over the place - Turtle Beach ) - it worked when I downloaded it.

Or is that the wrong one? Presumably you still have your old codes and things to pop in.

PowerTab editor is free and I think would work


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Subject: RE: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: frogprince
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 01:59 PM

Eeeyah; I downloaded the Noteworthy trial; I was thinking that this looks close enough to the Voyetra to do me fine, with no significant learning curve. But then I wrote a couple of bars, and went to save them. I'm not getting any option except "NYC file". That doesn't appear to be playable in windows media player, so I don't suppose it would be in other midi players. What am I missing here? Do I get the capability to save as a standard midi if I purchase the program?


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Subject: RE: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: frogprince
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 02:11 PM

Nick, that's interesting; I started right out by going to Turtle Beach, where I bought the program in the first place. All I could come up with was what appeared to be an explanation that they didn't offer Music Write any more because it wasn't compatible with current operating systems. I emailed them and asked about a new download, including my old code, but haven't received a reply yet. Will see what I can do with your link.


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Subject: RE: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: TheSnail
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 02:15 PM

frogprince
Do I get the capability to save as a standard midi if I purchase the program?

Select Export from the File dropdown menu. You can import your old MIDIs using Import. Don't know if you have to buy the programme to do this.


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Subject: RE: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: frogprince
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 02:33 PM

I can get to my existing midis, no problem, with either import or just open file. The export function isn't available in the trial version, so I can't answer the question as to ability to save as a standard midi by going to that.


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Subject: RE: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: frogprince
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 02:39 PM

To muddy the water a little more, I downloaded a new copy of Voyetra. It will load and display my existing midis, but it won't play anything; just no reponse to the play button.


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Subject: RE: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: Nick
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 02:39 PM

What operating system are you now on - Vista or Windows 7 I presume?


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Subject: RE: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: Nick
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 02:50 PM

That could be in your sound set up. If you look in Control Panel or equivalent. Sounds and Audio devices - Audio and look what it is set to for midi playback

Or it could be in Options and Midi Setup - midi in and midi out which by default is set to nothing. My XP machine played nothing back until I went in there and changed it to one of the options


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Subject: RE: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: Nick
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 02:51 PM

Sorry that last bit was in the actual piece of software itself rather than Windows


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Subject: RE: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 03:30 PM

Many "trial version downloads" of programs disable saving of what you produce. You have to pay for the program to get the "key" to unlock saving and other functions.

I'm not sure that's the problem here, but suspect you got a trial version download that doesn't permit you to save your work.

Even worse, the trial CDs for Sibelius that you can pick up from your local music shop disable the Help files (or did a while back, the last time I got one) to prevent you from actually learning anything about what the program can do before you pay for it.

Almost any program that lets you print notation should be able to export a midi, although there are a few exceptions among free/cheap programs so you need to check the specs. Any program that can export (save as) midi should be able to import a midi and produce notation.

The problem with importing midis to notation is in the timing.

If the midi was exported from notation, the time intervals should be in "note values" and even a simple program will know what notes to print. If the midi is "recorded from play" you need enough sophistication for the program to "guess" what note time-values to use so that you don't print lots of "itty bitties" that trash the score and require lots of manual editing.

The simplest notation programs don't typically "play repeats" (or D.S., D.C., Codas etc) so if you're wanting to produce "full performance" midis from notation you'll want one that does. None of the reasonably priced programs I've looked at will put the road maps back in when you import the midi back to notation, so you get one long score with everything written out in line.

If you use them, you may also want a program that can "play grace notes."

It may be of concern for you to look at the "number of voices" the program can handle, e.g. if you want to be able to separate melody line(s) from chord parts, etc. Some simple programs require that each "voice" be on a separate staff, while others will let you overlay multiple "parts" on a single staff. This doesn't matter much if the midi is the only object, but can make a big difference in how neat the printed scores look.

John


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Subject: RE: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 04:59 PM

Melody Assistant
is my preferred program to do this.


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Subject: RE: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: Tangledwood
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 05:02 PM

Oops, I was guest. The cookie monster's been at work again.


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Subject: RE: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: frogprince
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 05:42 PM

I'm running XP, and expect that I will for quite a while. The Voyetra problem isn't just sound setup this time; I've had glitches in that before. Right now I get the beginning of a score displayed, period; it won't even scroll silently.
I think I'll bet that the ability to save and export standard midis will come with the full version of Noteworthy. That program is working fine otherwise.
If I import or download any midis created from performance, it will just be to listen to for fun, not to expect to print a usable score.
I have put a performance-created midi on screen, and I don't think anyone could ever play from it. Anyhow, that's just not on my agenda.
This is the only thing I ever worked up for mixed instruments (clickies for music at the bottom), and I imagine a competent composer would either laugh or cry at my "arrangement".(Just had my site relocated, and I hadn't noticed that that play button got squoshed onto the last chorus).

Anyhow, Thanks all; I hafta get out of here now, so I'll download the full version of Noteworthy another day.
                      Dean


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Subject: RE: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 06:40 PM

More sophisticated notation programs let you set a "granularity" by specifying a minimum note duration that will be recognized. This shoves the notated notes into slots that match up with the measure beats, so that the "leads and lags" and other "schmaltz" in the performance aren't shown as extra bits and pieces of short notes all tied/slurred together. In some, even "rests" shorter than the duration you set can be obliterated to smooth out the notation. A next step is taking out the "bends" when the played pitch warbles off true.

Even with the best of the programs though, getting the right filter setup is pretty tough - and if you haven't recognized that the notation is just shorthand that the performer isn't supposed to play back like a metronome it can be embarassing to look at what your own playing really looks like on paper.

John


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Subject: RE: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: frogprince
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 11:02 PM

And to turn John's thought around, unless you mess around with a note-written midi quite a bit, and write something that would be almost unreadable as a score, it will likely sound so mechanical that it's only tolerable as a "reference" copy of the melody.


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Subject: RE: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 09 Dec 09 - 09:51 AM

I dunno if Frogprince is ever coming back, but if he does:

To save a file to MIDI using Noteworthy, you choose Save As, not just Save.

Re the silent files: If you watch a video or play music on the Internet, that site may turn off your synthesizer. (This happens to me all the time.) When you move to your music software, double-click the little bullhorn on the bottom of your screen and slide the volume bar marked 'Synthesizer" up some.

There may be other reasons why the sound doesn't play, but that's the most common.


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Subject: RE: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: frogprince
Date: 09 Dec 09 - 10:07 AM

Thanks, Leenia, but I'm aware of the "save as" factor, which I have to use regularly to format photos, newspaper ads, etc, for different purposes. It's just that saving as midi isn't enabled in the trial version.


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Subject: RE: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: TheSnail
Date: 09 Dec 09 - 11:51 AM

GUEST,leeneia

To save a file to MIDI using Noteworthy, you choose Save As, not just Save.

True in Noteworthy 1.75 but the new Noteworthy 2 has taken the MIDI option out of Save As... and put it in Export.


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Subject: RE: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: frogprince
Date: 09 Dec 09 - 11:57 AM

I'm glad you told me that, Snail; I haven't really been been having reason to use export, and I might have thought I'd paid for something that still didn't do the job.


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Subject: RE: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: frogprince
Date: 09 Dec 09 - 02:27 PM

Up and runnning, all systems "go"; thanks all
                   Dean


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Subject: RE: Good notation-to-midi software?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Dec 09 - 08:57 PM

Try noteflight.com - free program, web-based, easy to use, type in your notation (really point and click), it plays it back for you (with options of various instrument sounds), lets you keep your scores private or lets you share them online... all in all, it's useful and it's free.


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