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Radio Stations that play mp3s

agingcynic 11 Dec 09 - 11:46 AM
Dave Roberts 11 Dec 09 - 01:27 PM
Folkiedave 11 Dec 09 - 06:21 PM
johnadams 11 Dec 09 - 06:51 PM
Al 11 Dec 09 - 07:00 PM
Effsee 11 Dec 09 - 11:01 PM
Joe Offer 12 Dec 09 - 03:39 AM
Dave Roberts 12 Dec 09 - 05:11 AM
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Dave Roberts 12 Dec 09 - 03:41 PM
agingcynic 12 Dec 09 - 05:16 PM
bruceCMR 12 Dec 09 - 06:02 PM
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Subject: Radio Stations that play mp3s
From: agingcynic
Date: 11 Dec 09 - 11:46 AM

Greetings

Is anyone aware of a listing of radion stations that will play mp3s, and allow musicians to submit them via email for airplay consideration?

Maybe a very short list.


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Subject: RE: Radio Stations that play mp3s
From: Dave Roberts
Date: 11 Dec 09 - 01:27 PM

I think (in the UK at least) that most radio station technical people throw their hands up in horror at the very idea of MP3s and will only consider WAV files. Certainly BBC technical standards are very high indeed. This is just what I've been led to believe - I don't know a great deal about this kind of thing; perhaps someone more knowledgeable would like to put us right?


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Subject: RE: Radio Stations that play mp3s
From: Folkiedave
Date: 11 Dec 09 - 06:21 PM

Well I have a radio show and I can't play MP3's!!

We are also very fussy about PRS. It does lead us into a chicken and egg situation - you would find it easier to register for PRS with the backing of airplay. And you can't get airplay without PRS (almost).


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Subject: RE: Radio Stations that play mp3s
From: johnadams
Date: 11 Dec 09 - 06:51 PM

Dave, I don't think that any music that is free of PRS is a problem to play - it's by its nature unrestricted, especially of it's been provided by the musician.

On the topic...

The UK radio station where I do my programme is set up to play mp3s if necessary but I often cringe when I hear some of the results, especially on music with lots of synth sounds as nasty effects are often more apparent.

Having said that, not all music suffers from the effects of mp3 compression in the same way and I have used the format when I needed a track quickly , usually for an obituary item or for a soon to be visiting musician who's new to me and where I haven't got an album available. If I can download from iTunes or whatever then I use the file as long as it passes the 'ear test', ie. I listen to it and decide if it's technically up to it.

The tolerance is reasonably high because in our sort of music, the content is often more important than the high fidelity, but I always transfer it to CD format for transmission and in doing so have an opportunity to tweak the track if there's some aspect that can be improved (rarely but occasionally possible).

I don't like mp3 but when you haven't got a budget for buying CDs you sometimes have to compromise. I think I've got away with it as I select with care and monitor beforehand - and none of my discerning colleagues have commented as yet. Also, quite a few of my listeners 'listen again' online, which brings its own quality problems. But they don't seem to worry.


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Subject: RE: Radio Stations that play mp3s
From: Al
Date: 11 Dec 09 - 07:00 PM

I will play your mp3 on Pride of the Mountains, KFOK-LPFM Georgetown. Send it to al @ kfok.org but eliminate the spaces before and after the @


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Subject: RE: Radio Stations that play mp3s
From: Effsee
Date: 11 Dec 09 - 11:01 PM

I'll happily play a mp3 on my show, as long as it has been produced at 256! Send it to Caithness FM (Google it), and I'll have a listen to it!


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Subject: RE: Radio Stations that play mp3s
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 03:39 AM

For the record, "agingcynic" appears to be in the United States. It does seem to me that WAV or CD format would be a better way to submit the recording. Mudcatter 'open mike' is another one who might be willing to play a recording.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Radio Stations that play mp3s
From: Dave Roberts
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 05:11 AM

I forgot to say - I run the 'Cheshire Folk' Show on Radio Leighton, the Hospital Station for Crewe, Cheshire, where MP3s are more than welcome. In fact the station uses MP3s for its automated playout system.
Although technical standards are less stringent than for some stations, the MP3 files have to sound reasonably OK as we also go out in stereo on what used to be called 'Patientline', but is now called something else that I can't quite bring to mind.
If anyone wants to send any material please PM me.


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Subject: RE: Radio Stations that play mp3s
From: johnadams
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 06:20 AM

I should wave my own flag here.

My programme is "Rolling Round the Ryburn" and takes its turn once a month on Sunday mornings on PhoenixFM in West Yorkshire , sharing the slot with "Nowt So Queer As Folk" and "The Wild West Show".

See also Rolling Round The Ryburn

It's great to see these UK community radio stations supporting the music. I've long been envious of America's approach to regional radio and the opportunities it provides. The UK is starting to catch up a bit but the stations have yet to consolidate their financial structures and develop their audiences to the same extent.

My policy is to play and feature anything interesting that doesn't make it on to the UK mainstream media. I don't play anything that is on the Mike Harding/SmoothOps play list unless I've got a specific reason, like the artist visiting locally. I prefer to feature less accessible professional, semi pro and amateur artists from around the globe, and my playlist will include names you maybe won't know ( eg. Anna Shannon, Hamish Curry, Adrian May, ...) as well as ones you possibly will (Brian Peters, Pete Coe, Kevin & Ellen Mitchell, Janet Russell....). International names include Riley Baugas, Emily Barker, Bernard Carney, Debra Cowan,....

In October I featured Dave Ruch from NY State while he was on a UK tour and December I'm planning to feature Gina Le Faux.

As far as I'n concerned, it's up to me and the other programme makers working out of the mainstream to give due consideration to people like agingcynic and where possible provide a platform for music which wouldn't otherwise get heard.

Dave Eyre and I have discussed getting together a discussion group for programme makers like us, where we can swap information, share ideas, help planning and even share features. I have a small list of broadcasters but there are obviously more out there. If you are interested, pm me or contact me via the Ryburn web site I'll add you to the list if you're not already there.


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Subject: RE: Radio Stations that play mp3s
From: Dave Roberts
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 03:41 PM

For those who may be interested 'Patientline'is now called 'Hospedia'; to my mind a somewhat unfortunate name with some odd connotations.

Incidentally 'agingcynic' PM'd me and pointed me towards his website which has some very very good music indeed on it. I'll leave it to the man himself whether or not he wants to share it with everyone. I imagine he does, but I wouldn't presume.


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Subject: RE: Radio Stations that play mp3s
From: agingcynic
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 05:16 PM

thanks dave

the aging cynic is always happy to find new listeners

i post lots of tunes on my website: all can be downloaded for free

here's the place:

http://daveshiflett.com

several mudcatters have mentioned that they especially like a song called 'the old sailor' which is down a bit on the music page. please listen and download excessively, and send the link to anyone you think might like these tunes.



AC


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Subject: RE: Radio Stations that play mp3s
From: bruceCMR
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 06:02 PM

Also add Celtic Music Radio to the list, http://www.celticmusicradio.net

We broadcast 24x7 from Glasgow on 1530kHz and online, and our output is predominantly scottish/celtic/folk/etc influenced.

We are always happy to accept material from the community - indeed some of our programs focus entirely on new material from upcoming and unsigned performers. We do a regular "demo of the week" feature.

http://www.celticmusicradio.net/artist_contact.html if you want to submit material.


We'll sometimes use high bitrate MP3s, but only as a very last resort - we'd prefer CD or .wav. It's to do with the technical side of the transmission chain - from the studio to the listener's ears, the signal may be converted from analogue to digital and back several times; each introduces more artifacts and you really need top quality source material. The "first generation" playout may sound fine, but once it gets passed through the transmission system, a low-quality source may sound unacceptable.

If anyone's interested, I've got some interesting screenshots from a spectrum analyser, showing what happens to real audio when mp3 encoded - there's basically a brick-wall at around 12kHz-16kHz (depending on encoding frequency)

Bruce


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Subject: RE: Radio Stations that play mp3s
From: Dave Roberts
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 04:23 AM

Following on from agingcynic's posting, I'd also recommend 'Lonely Train', one of the best train songs I've heard for years.

And thanks BruceCMR for that explanation of the problems of using MP3s.

I suppose that's why Hospital Radio can use MP3s more often, as the transmission chain is less complicated?


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Subject: RE: Radio Stations that play mp3s
From: Folkiedave
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 05:08 AM

One other thing (I'm Dave Eyre) is that we might consider swapping interviews. I have found all folk artists so helpful when asked for an interview.

And we get a lot more time than Mike.

Like John I tend to play those MH doesn't play. Also with two hours to go at I can do some specialised themes. (One recent one was "rain"), And I spent a whole programme with one artist discussing a new album.

One local BBC radio station (a non-folk programme) had four folk artists who got up from a previous night's gig, drove for an hour through rush hour traffic, spent two and half minutes on air and instead of playing their music, the station played Martha and the Vandellas.

Most local community shows aim to do better than that.


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Subject: RE: Radio Stations that play mp3s
From: johnadams
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 05:45 AM

Swapping interviews would be a useful thing as expended effort can be re-utilised instead of lying around in an unused file. When I featured Catter Dave Ruch in October I re-used an interview done by Jill Breit for North Country Public Radio in New York State, kindly sanctioned by station manager Joel Hurd. It was nice to have a another voice on the show.

I have features on the shelf about voices, mumming, instruments, etc which with a bit of editing could be made less station specific and shared around.

Commenting on Bruce's useful info on mp3's, I spent several years demonstrating the effects of compression to students studying broadcast and providing dire warnings about quality drop. Having said that, I've played transcriptions of wax cylinders and old 78s on my show. My feeling is that if I can do that for reasons of accessibility then I can also justify playing occasional home recordings and mp3s if the occasion demands. The main issue is that the audience should be aware that something from a degraded source is not to be compared with the surrounding tracks of (hopefully) pristine quality.

The main thrust of community radio is information and entertainment for the people, by the people, sometimes warts and all.


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Subject: RE: Radio Stations that play mp3s
From: bruceCMR
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 07:38 AM

On a loosely-related theme - we're going to be broadcasting live from Celtic Connections again this year, 14-31 January. If any other station wants to take any of our material for rebroadcast, please get in touch - bruce@celticmusicradio.net

We don't get the "big" concerts - BBC get these - but we focus more on the smaller gigs with up-and-coming performers. We do usually get interviews and maybe live sessions with some of the big names.

Schedules still to be confirmed, but the weekday line-up is looking something like the following. About 10 hours live broadcast every day throughout the festival.

until 11.am - normal programming from studio

11.00-12.30 - broadcasing from the exhibition hall at Glasow Royal Concert Hall - a programme which reviews the previous night's events, and previews that day's gigs, with input from the festival team, and any performers who we can grab!

12.30-1.30 - Iain Anderson in Conversation. BBC Scotland's Iain Anderson hosts a daily "chat show" with a couple of well known names from the music/arts/politics/whatever world, in front of a live audience. We broadcast this live.

1.30-5.00 - Hotchkiss Live - Gordon Hotchkiss hosts a show with chat and live music. In the past, this has been open to the public, free, and included artists ranging from main-stage performers through to someone who just happened to turn up with a guitar and got a gig!

5.00-7.00 - The Danny Kyle Open Stage - 5 different unsigned bands every night, for over 2 weeks, competing for a "big stage" gig next year. We broadcast the performances and interviews with the bands

8.00-late - we will be broadcasting from one of the other festival venues - probably the "Songs of Scotland" gigs at the Universal Club.

We've also got a small team of music and journalism students from local Universities and colleges acting as "roving reporters" at the other venues.

As I said, if any other community broadcaster is interested in taking some of this material, get in touch.

Bruce.


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Subject: RE: Radio Stations that play mp3s
From: agingcynic
Date: 14 Dec 09 - 06:58 AM

there is also the service called 'airplay direct' which i believe can deliver songs in wav file form, though don't know how many musicians and stations use it, or if it works very well. anyway, thanks for the response on the mp3 question.


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Subject: RE: Radio Stations that play mp3s
From: GUEST,Mr Red
Date: 14 Dec 09 - 07:45 AM

I will ask on StroudFM tomorrow. Local coverage is very limited but they do have a live feed page and if you are prepared to listen at 7am to 9 am (GMT)(acoustic/folk programme), and it looks like I will be nannying the next prog for at least an hour (Painswick cohort). Gulp.

If you PM me here or go to my contact page @ cresby.com maybe we could arrange something - how about a jingle? 10-20 seconds.

Get in touch. & see what happens. If nothing else, starting with smaller stations will give you experience in handling things like interviews. How are you on Football? (a StroudFM sponsor)


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