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Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk

George Papavgeris 18 Dec 09 - 08:11 AM
The Borchester Echo 18 Dec 09 - 08:19 AM
theleveller 18 Dec 09 - 08:22 AM
GUEST,sophie 18 Dec 09 - 08:56 AM
billybob 18 Dec 09 - 09:05 AM
Folknacious 18 Dec 09 - 09:07 AM
mattkeen 18 Dec 09 - 09:07 AM
Howard Jones 18 Dec 09 - 09:10 AM
mattkeen 18 Dec 09 - 09:12 AM
GUEST,Isawit 18 Dec 09 - 09:20 AM
GUEST,punkfolkrocker 18 Dec 09 - 09:23 AM
mattkeen 18 Dec 09 - 09:24 AM
mattkeen 18 Dec 09 - 09:40 AM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 18 Dec 09 - 09:42 AM
Edthefolkie 18 Dec 09 - 09:49 AM
Vic Smith 18 Dec 09 - 09:54 AM
Vic Smith 18 Dec 09 - 09:56 AM
GUEST,Captain Farrell 18 Dec 09 - 10:05 AM
nutty 18 Dec 09 - 10:11 AM
Folknacious 18 Dec 09 - 10:12 AM
nutty 18 Dec 09 - 10:25 AM
Folknacious 18 Dec 09 - 10:29 AM
GUEST,Captain Jack Sparrow 18 Dec 09 - 11:24 AM
PercyBysshe 18 Dec 09 - 11:41 AM
Jack Blandiver 18 Dec 09 - 01:02 PM
GUEST,JM 18 Dec 09 - 01:25 PM
Marje 18 Dec 09 - 01:28 PM
PercyBysshe 18 Dec 09 - 01:28 PM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 18 Dec 09 - 01:31 PM
Suegorgeous 18 Dec 09 - 02:37 PM
Sarah the flute 18 Dec 09 - 03:10 PM
Tootler 18 Dec 09 - 03:18 PM
Folkiedave 18 Dec 09 - 03:28 PM
Ruth Archer 18 Dec 09 - 03:47 PM
PercyBysshe 18 Dec 09 - 03:59 PM
Steve Gardham 18 Dec 09 - 04:21 PM
Tootler 18 Dec 09 - 06:20 PM
GUEST,Dave Hunt 18 Dec 09 - 06:46 PM
Ruth Archer 18 Dec 09 - 07:06 PM
VirginiaTam 18 Dec 09 - 11:49 PM
GUEST,Phil B 19 Dec 09 - 07:20 AM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 19 Dec 09 - 07:36 AM
Dave the Gnome 19 Dec 09 - 02:09 PM
Folkiedave 19 Dec 09 - 02:26 PM
Tootler 19 Dec 09 - 04:04 PM
Mavis Enderby 20 Dec 09 - 11:15 AM
Mick Pearce (MCP) 20 Dec 09 - 02:16 PM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 20 Dec 09 - 03:16 PM
Jack Blandiver 20 Dec 09 - 04:15 PM
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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 08:11 AM

GUEST,non-folk-fan and mattkeen are perfectly right.


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 08:19 AM

Sam Lee sang with Jon Boden for On Christmas Day, a duet which he normally performs with a temporarily voiceless John Spiers, and this was undoubtedly unrehearsed (I haven't seen it but I did hear it, and well done Sam). And Jim Moray depped for Benji Kirkpatrick who was unable to be at the recording. What this demonstrates is how versatile and skilled English trad musicians are, over and above many another genre. Though Joe Public wouldn't be aware of this and those Good Enough For F*lk carpers from the Swiggin' Pig who proudly proclaim unawareness of the artists involved wouldn't care.


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: theleveller
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 08:22 AM

I didn't see it but just a general point here - when did expressing an honest opinion, even if it is a critical one, make a person a 'big whingey wanker'? Surely that is what Mudcat is for. Seems to me that some of those who consider themselves the folk 'cognoscenti' are doing another spot of brow-beating.


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: GUEST,sophie
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 08:56 AM

i really enjoyed :D
i thought bellowhead were excellent
maybe could of done with less of unthanks and more bh
and maybe a couple jumpy jiggy songs
but i thought it was brilliant
everyone looked great
everyone did really well :D
jim moray was brilliant and i though lisa knapp was good
and its defentely got me in the christmas mood :)
(just thought id add some possitive for people to read)
(and hey its christmas people, lets all cheer up a bit)


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: billybob
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 09:05 AM

I sat down with a glass of wine, a log fire and really enjoyed it.Started Christmas for me and the snow outside was a bonus.
If you did not relax and enjoy ,why not switch off and have a sing instead?


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Folknacious
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 09:07 AM

And haven't we been here before with the similarly excellent and slightly wonky BBC 4 Daughters Of Albion a few years back? I expect there's an anorak on hand to find the thread, unless I'm doing mistaken identity with the BBC Folk & Country board


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: mattkeen
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 09:07 AM

That in itself doesn't make them that particular type of wanker, but nevertheless they still might be one


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Howard Jones
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 09:10 AM

The question in my mind is who does the BBC think is the main audience for the BBC 4 Sessions? They may attract some mainstream viewers, by chance or out of curiosity, and from that perspective it made a great show - a bit different from anything else on, and miles away from the mainstream perception of "folk". So in that respect, well done.

However I suspect that the majority of viewers for any of the BBC 4 Sessions are people who are already familiar with the performers, or at least the genre, and who will more be interested in the music than the show. In the majority of cases (the June Tabor session stands out as a shining example) this is what they provide. It looks as if they tried to do something a bit different and special for Christmas, but in doing so took their eye off the ball.


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: mattkeen
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 09:12 AM

Replying to thelevellers comment by the way

I dont want my comments about masturbators being associated with the Daughters of Albion


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: GUEST,Isawit
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 09:20 AM

mattkeen

Only wanker here would appear to be you.


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 09:23 AM

DVD'd it late last night..


I'm saving watching it until after xmas pudding and I'm well cidered up
and starting on the apple brandies..

should be just as good as any of the rest of the seasonal shite on christmas day telly.


.. glad i didn't go to watch it live though..

i effin hate smug middle class artwank poser fancy dress parties..


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: mattkeen
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 09:24 AM

Thank you very much


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: mattkeen
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 09:40 AM

In mitigation........ I was brought up a Catholic...

But I cannot tell a lie - the accusation is correct


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 09:42 AM

"I'm saving watching it until after xmas pudding and I'm well cidered up
and starting on the apple brandies..
should be just as good as any of the rest of the seasonal shite on christmas day telly."

Good call Punkfolkrocker! Perfect in fact.


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Edthefolkie
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 09:49 AM

I think considering the amount of depping (weren't some of the First Family of Folk originally supposed to appear?) and obvious lack of rehearsal, it wasn't too bad at all.

I must agree with others that the sound didn't do anybody any favours, and some of the "featured" audience were embarrassing. But at least it was nearly real, unlike the prerecorded regurgitated cr*p we have to put up with most of the time on telly.

It should be also be remembered that the BBC expertise about acoustic/folk performers which used to exist (eg BBC Bristol, Philip Donnellan et al) seems to have gone to the four winds.

Thea and Lisa - if you ever read this would you please do some gigs in the E Midlands or round Sheffield? Thang Yew.


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Vic Smith
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 09:54 AM

I didn't see the programme - too busy last night singing, dancing, playing for dances and calling dances for others, but I do know - from urgent phone calls seeking replacements - that the day before the final rehearsal with the filming the day after, that the Watersons had to drop out of the programme that was broadcast last night because Norma was indisposed and that the replacement that was being sought was The Copper Family. Obviously, his did not come off, but it certainly would have given the programme a different bent if it had done.
I don't even know for certain who the late replacements were - though I have got a pretty good idea - but what is certain is that at least one of the acts were there at less than a day's notice to prepare for what was probably the biggest exposure that they have had in their careers.

Folk enthusiasts! What are we like? I may think differently after I have seen the programme, but we are given an hour of prime time on a major channel and, from the majority of comments on this thread, we can only moan about it.

We have got to realise that tellyland is a very different place from the folk club. If folk performers are invited into tellyland, they have to play it by tellyland rules.

I worked very hard last night, but I didn't get paid for it. That doesn't stop me being thankful that some top folk perforers did get good exposure and good patment last night.


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Vic Smith
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 09:56 AM

perforers = performers
patment = payment

Trying to rush things.


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: GUEST,Captain Farrell
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 10:05 AM

Last night I was out playing so had to record Christmas Folk.I read most of the comments first then went to see what all the fuss was. Did I watch the same program it was fantastic well done to all involved and the audience had one hell of a night.


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: nutty
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 10:11 AM

I say again to all you knockers. You bloody well come up with something better. submit your idea to the BBC.

It was perhaps unfortunate that 24hours previous to watching this on TV, I had been to see the Geordie's Winter Almanack Radio Show Starring Jez Lowe and the Bad Pennies and Benny Graham - which was top class entertainment.

Fire and Ice paled by comparison


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Folknacious
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 10:12 AM

This lot would have hated the Copper Family, Vic. They'd have said that they sang out of tune, or the wrong tune, or that you got better things in their local folk club doing floor spots where the "real grass roots"people without whom there wouldn't be a folk scene go. They'd have piled into the Watersons as well. Hardly anybody ever wins around here. I'm with "Ralphie" and Guest non folk fan.


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: nutty
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 10:25 AM

This lot would have hated the Copper Family, Vic. They'd have said that they sang out of tune, or the wrong tune,

Folknacious - After over 40 years of involvement with the folk scene I have seen enough folk 'stars' come and go to have made up my own mind about what I like and don't like. I don't need to be patronised or condemned for my views. They are mine and I don't give a damn if you agree with me or not.

As matter of interest - I was present (many years ago) when Rachel Unthank sang in public for the first time. It wasn't the artists fault that this production was so bad.


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Folknacious
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 10:29 AM

The usual suspects have predictibly closed ranks here and over on frootcakes.

I went and looked at "frootcakes" as you so amusingly put it. Most of the comments since the programme went out seem to be from non-folk people whose names are absent here. They apparently enjoyed it, since they obviously didn't know they were supposed not to, and at least one says she's off to buy CDs as as a result. Sorry to be bearer of adverse news.


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: GUEST,Captain Jack Sparrow
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 11:24 AM

If this is the rejoicing with which Bellowhead on the telly is welcomed, the joy after Seth Lakeman's My Music repeat on DirtyDigger Arts 1 on Monday and Tuesday could be overwhelming.


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: PercyBysshe
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 11:41 AM

I've watched about half of it so far. I'm a huge fan of Bellowhead and its various off-shoots so my opinions are bound to be somewhat skewed I supposed. I thought Paul Sartin made an excellent MC, and of the music I've seen/heard so far I really enjoyed BH's contribution, Belshazzar's Feast and Jim Moray. I'm not convinced by the Unthanks although some of their material is wonderful. I don't have a problem with the dressing up thing - that just added to the sense of fun I think. There was a feel of the "Good Old Days" about it, but as someone else has said, it was tongue in cheek and there's nothing wrong with that.

I'm just so pleased BBC4 has seen fit to show some more folk music at a time when people might actually watch it. I do wish they would televise the Folk Awards again. I discovered so much new music from the one occasion that I did.

I'll let you know what I think of the rest of it when I've had a chance to watch it.


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 01:02 PM

I know I shouldn't rise to this but...

Pay no notice to me, JM - as I say I only caught about 20 seconds of what you sang tuning in BBC4 briefly between Gavin & Stacey and QI to see what all the fuss was about. Anything I write here is by way of mouthing off & not to be taken too seriously - sorry it upset you. In the folk stakes I am a Bellamist and an Eldonite who listens to source singers for musical pleasure; I also dig Bowie, Lydon, Damo Suzuki, Mark E. Smith, Ian Curtis, Bernard Sumner and Eric Burdon - none of whom sing in their own accents. I love Robert Wyatt, but wince at Billy Bragg. What is a boy to do? Anyway, what you are doing is very important and I wish all power to the lot of you.

Wassail! - S O'P / Sedayne

PS - I am not WAV, though I do know the man & might heartily recommend him as being as jovial & appreciative a cove you're ever likely to meet in a singaround & an interesting singer too. And I wouldn't take anything he says too seriously either.


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: GUEST,JM
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 01:25 PM

Don't worry - I'm not upset. You have every right to say/hold whatever opinion you want, but I'd rather try to give you an answer, seeing as I'm here reading the thread. No offence taken whatsoever.

what's a boy to do?

he's to do whatever he wants to do in whatever way he wants to do it, and not take any notice of anyone who tries to deny him that right.

As you've probably gathered a lot of the show was assembled in the hours leading up to the actual filming, due to line-up changes etc. so it was a bit rough around the edges in places. I also have my own reservations about the dressing-up aspect. But it was a fantastic thing to be part of and I enjoyed watching it back, flaws and all.

Wassail! to you too


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Marje
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 01:28 PM

Well, having posted the original "Heads Up", and having now watched it on playback, I think I'll say, "Don't bother after all!" I found it disappointing; the folk-meets-music-hall format just didn't work for me. The Unthanks' version of Bleak Midwinter was dire and dirgy, although their Tar Barrel song was much better. Of the rest, Thea Gilmore was the only act that really made me listen, while several others made me reach for the fast-forward button. Bellowhead seemed to melt into a cacophony of noise that was somehow much less than the sum of the parts. And I cringed when the MC was trying to show us just how wacky and weird the audience members were.

The whole thing often seemed overblown and self-indulgent, a style which may suit some music-hall material but doesn't suit much other music nearly as well.

To those who say, "Well go on then, what do you want?" I'd point to the BBC Folk Prom as a much better showcase for English folk music. If the production of an event like this BBC4 session is such a headache, then evidently it's not suited to this music - perhaps a production style more like the Transatlantic Sessions would be more effective.

Marje


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: PercyBysshe
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 01:28 PM

JM - you are a gent!


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 01:31 PM

"I wouldn't take anything he says too seriously either."

Aye - I only replied to this thread by way of responding to a "dare you to be the first baddy" posting, myself.
However, I remain unrepentant: the Unthanks as supposed "professional singers" were IMO appalling. Sorry but they just were. As an amateur singer myself - I was shocked at their performance... I could wax on and on, but I won't..

Whether I personally dug the *style* of some of the other performers is neither here nor there - but JimM & BellowH are certainly top-class as far as their competent musicianship & professionalism is concerned.
I find Jim's vocal styling somewhat derivative of 20thC Pop too (no doubt honest & unintentioned on his part) - BUT that itself is equally refreshing in terms of evident eschewing of a faux 'English Country' classic revival 'folk voice'.
I've found this 'taint' impossible to shed so far myself..

I would have loved to have heard Sam sing *solo* tho'.
It might have potentially been the best thing in the show.


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 02:37 PM

I'm intrigued now after all the above... but as I want to watch it on my TV, I'm gonna wait for its chillout-hour Xmas Eve showing, sprawled happily in front of the log fire with a glass of wine, when I'll be more mellowed, Christmas-spirited and forgiving (if anything needs forgiving). And I'll enjoy Sam Lee if nothing else, I love his singing.

JM - heard you stepped in last night too, for Tim being taken ill... hope the show went well.

Sue


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Sarah the flute
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 03:10 PM

Who were the audience ? If the guy in the striped leggings is who I think it was (not going to mention names) then he is an actor I know. Were all the other dressed up people Equity Card holders too ?

I echo the catters who have suggested a more transatlantic sessions approach (so long as they don't fill it up with Cara Dillon but Karen Casey instead - that's just my presference)

A curious

Sarah


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Tootler
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 03:18 PM

Well what a miserable, mean spirited lot you all are.

This was clearly meant as a light hearted take on Christmas and a little different from the usual Christmas entertainment and in that respect overall, it worked.

Sure there were aspects that could have been better. I also cringed when the Unthanks started on "In the Bleak Midwinter", but that was not because of the Unthanks performance, but because I cannot stand that ******* carol. I thinks it's awful.

I would have preferred some of the carols that are heard at singarounds and the like at Christmas rather than the well worn ones hear everywhere else, but if you are pitching at a more general audience, which I suspect this was, then compromises are inevitable.

No one has mentioned the Unthanks third song (whose title I do not know) but it was lovely music hall song, though Rachel perhaps did not "belt it out" enough, but her voice is not of that character.

Finally I thought the venue was gorgeous.


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Folkiedave
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 03:28 PM

The music hall song they sang - was this one. It is a "hidden or bonus track" on their latest record.

http://www.mysongbook.de/msb/songs/b/betsybel.html

Do not be mislead by the reference to Mudcat at the bottom of the list of singers. That links to a totally different song.


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 03:47 PM

"Who were the audience ? If the guy in the striped leggings is who I think it was (not going to mention names) then he is an actor I know."

I don't know his name, but he is the new fool for the Belles of London City, a morris jig trio who performed on the night.


"Were all the other dressed up people Equity Card holders too?"

No. It was an invited audience, and the invite specified:

"Suggested attire:

Dickensian Bustles, Burlesque and Boas, Flash Cats,
Vagabonds & Paupers, Pocket Watch & Chains and Grandmother's Finest Jewellery"


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: PercyBysshe
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 03:59 PM

Some of my friends were in the audience and they certainly aren't Equity cardholders. The BBC invited people to apply for free tickets to the event. I think it was a names out of a hat thing.


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 04:21 PM

I'd just like to add that I also enjoyed George's tar barrel song and I'm going to decline from commenting on the rest.


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Tootler
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 06:20 PM

Thanks FD


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: GUEST,Dave Hunt
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 06:46 PM

Well I really enjoyed - (well most of it!) It would have been nice to have some other less well know carols - eg some of the wonderful Sheffield settings of While Shephers Watched. It was a change - and a pleasure - to hear an unaccompanied song- well sung by Jon and Sam. I though Bellowhead were their exuberant selves, and very good, as were Balshazars Feast -I also liked Jim Moray's excellent contribution - but did not like Lisa K- and really disliked the Unthanks - never have liked them and this confirmed my opinion. But overall - a jolly romp - and at least it was in prime time telly for a change.


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 07:06 PM

Anyone watching the Liberty of Norton Folgate on BBC2 right now?? Strangely familiar vibe...


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 11:49 PM

Suibhne

That Gower Wassail is just spine tingling especially at 4:30 am

Thanks for posting. I loved it.


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: GUEST,Phil B
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 07:20 AM

Audio tip number 1187. Plug your television into your Hi Fi and turn it up nice and loud. You'll be surprised how much mixes tend to improve. More things come into focus that way. Only,however, in straightfprward stereo. Surround sound systems tend to make it worse depending how they are set up.


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 07:36 AM

"That Gower Wassail is just spine tingling"

Yeah, everything they do is good. I wish more modern folk was as interesting, or moreso..


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 02:09 PM

Just watched the first 15 minutes and loved it. Just like folk should be, to me anyway. Some brilliant, some, maybe, a bit below par, but all good fun and very enjoyable. Decided it would be better on the 'big screen' (Well, 37" anyway) so rather than watch it all on iplayer, I will record Christmas Eve's.

Cheers

DeG


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Folkiedave
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 02:26 PM

This was cut from the final edit.......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p005k006


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Tootler
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 04:04 PM

What a pity. That would have made a much better finale than what they did use.


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Mavis Enderby
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 11:15 AM

Finally viewed this on iPlayer and enjoyed it - I wasn't expecting to as I've something of the "big whingey wanker" about me and I contributed to the autoharp thread. But I liked it so much I might even watch the Christmas Eve repeat on the 'proper' telly.

It sounds like it was lucky to go ahead at all given the line-up changes. Jim Moray was particularly versatile. Interesting comment above about the performers looking nervous. All I can say is you can't play slide guitar that well if you are nervous otherwise some unintentional tremolo creeps in!

May I suggest Kerfuffle if there's a follow-up next year?

Pete.


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 02:16 PM

I've just watched it on the iPlayer too and really enjoyed it. (I listened on phones and the sound was fine - if you're watching on tv it might be worth following the suggestion above and routing the sound through your hi-fi. The only thing I really disliked on the sound front was the acoustic guitar accomapnying Lisa Knapp - worst kind of electrified pick-up sound).

The atmosphere doesn't come across as well as being there, but when does recorded sound rival the live thing for that. The effect was still discernible and in B/H's Sloe Gin Set you couldn't help feel it (think the Orquestra Simon Bolivar Orquestra at the Proms a few years ago - same feel).

I agree with some of the opinions of individual performances cited above and disagree with others - but I don't see that that's a reason to describe the people I disagree with as whingey or wankers or anything else. What you like's personal and someone not liking what you like doesn't make them any more of a bad person than you are. So in the process of disagreeing with others, I'll say I did actually like the Unthanks' In The Deep Midwinter and B/H's Mistletoe Bough. And I though Lisa Knapp's Coventry Carol was one of the most arresting performances I've heard.

I thought the sense of enjoyment came across from the opening promenade entry to the end. (I did listen to the omitted Shepherds Arise and while that was really good, I think, the perhaps artistically inferior as a song, Jingle Bells was the better finisher).

I think those of you planning to settle down to it on Christmas Eve (was it?) with a bottle of wine, or other favoured tipple, won't be disappointed. One of my Christmas rituals since the 70s has been to play a record called something like A Mediaeval Christmas (the Boston Camerata) and I don't think Christmas has started until I hear Oriente Partibus. But I could easily play a recording of this concert instead to put me in a Christmas mood.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 03:16 PM

"I think those of you planning to settle down to it on Christmas Eve (was it?) with a bottle of wine, or other favoured tipple, won't be disappointed."

Yeah, Punkfolkrockers post summed it up well too.
I might well give it another shot myself on one of the replays (isn't there half a dozen or so?)

Must confess - as already indicated - if the gauntlet is thrown, it's impossibly tempting not to take it up!

We're not all going to dig the same stuff, but this is a discussion board devoted to folk music, so when a discussion of folk music is 'invited' by opening a thread like this, discussion and differing opinion is what you're gonna get. Natch.

Frankly, successful music celebs such as those showcased on this Xmas prog, no doubt have their fill of sycophantic loveydom elsewhere anyway. And anyone wanting to censor honest, robust opinion on their fave acts probably aughta stick to "Mwah Mwah" MySpace.. ;-)


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 04:15 PM

I don't think Christmas has started until I hear Oriente Partibus.

Me neither - although with me it has to be on The Clemencic Consort's classic 1979 recording La Fete de l'Ane in which they reconstruct a medieval Feast of the Ass, a piece of ritual reversal in which the entire Mass was inverted into a veneration of the ass & related misrule. Of course, tracking a copy of this down even on CD might prove problematic, but lovers of great & wild music can download the etire thing GRATIS from HERE


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Subject: RE: Heads up - BBC4 tonight Christmas Folk
From: GUEST,Coldone
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 05:26 PM

Seems to me the problem was in the editing. Bellowhead's 'Remember Thou Oh Man' and the Unthanks 'Sad February' were cut, though the BBC does show them (and I think BH has it up on one of their sites). It was a good show, but could have been better... fewer (or better) Unthanks, as in the bit the BBC didn't use, more Bellowhead, more of the crowd singing. But the decorations in Shoreditch were very attractive and Christmassy and overall, I liked the show very much, though there are several perts in which I fast forward. Thank you BBC for giving folk music a viewing.


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