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Lyr Req: 'As I went down the new-cut road...'

trischief 02 Jan 10 - 10:44 PM
Jim Dixon 05 Jan 10 - 10:18 AM
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Subject: tinker and a toad
From: trischief
Date: 02 Jan 10 - 10:44 PM

Hello-   My grandfather would recite a rhyme that went something like this: "When I was walking down the road I saw a tinker and a toad. Every time the toad would jump the tinker hid behind the stump." Somehow this became connected with the BILLY PATTERSON lyric "...your horse may die. If he dies I'll tan his skin....". The connection may have been in my own mind and faulty memory.

Would anyone have information on this? mboruch


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Subject: RE: tinker & a toad connected to Billy Patterson LYR?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 05 Jan 10 - 10:18 AM

This brief quote appears in The Coosa River Valley from De Soto to Hydroelectric Power by Hughes Reynolds (Cynthiana, Ky.: Hobson Book Press, 1944), page 191:

As I went down the new cut road,
I met a tinker and a toad,
And every time the toad would jump
The tinker run behind a stump.


Another quote appears in The Filson Club History Quarterly, Volume 14 (Louisville, Ky.: Filson Historical Society [etc.], 1940), page 147. This time it says the song title is OLD VIRGINNY:

As I went down the new cut road,
I met a tinker and a toad.
Every time the toad would jump,
The tinker'd dodge behind a stump.
So clear the kitchen, old folks,
Young folks, Old Virginny never tire,
Eating parch corn and sitting by the fire.


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Subject: RE: tinker & a toad connected to Billy Patterson LYR?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 05 Jan 10 - 10:43 AM

From On the Trail of Negro Folk-Songs by Dorothy Scarborough (Cambridge, Mass.: Harvard University Press, 1925), page 106:

"Here is a variant of the Josey song [see DT & this thread], that combines stanzas from other well-known favorites. This was sent to me by Virginia Fitzgerald, from Virginia."

As I was going up a new-cut road,
I met a terrapin an' a toad.
Every time the toad would jump,
The terrapin dodge behine a stump.
O! rall, rall, Miss Dinah gal,
O! do come along, by darling!
O! rall, rall, Miss Dinah gal,
O! do come along, by darling!

My ole Missis promise me
When she died she'd set me free;
Now ole Missis dead an' gone,
She lef' ole Sambo hillin' up corn.
Hey, Jim along, jam along, a-Josie,
Hey, Jim along, jam along, Joe!
Hey, Jim along, jam along, from Baltimo'!

You go round an' I go through,
. . . . . . . . . . .
You get there befo' I do,
Tell 'em all I'm comin', too.
Hey, Jim along, jam along, a-Josie,
Hey, Jim along, jam along, Joe!
Hey, Jim along, jam along, from Baltimo'!


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Subject: RE: tinker & a toad connected to Billy Patterson LYR?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 05 Jan 10 - 11:00 AM

From All Is But a Beginning: Youth Remembered, 1881-1901 by John G. Neihardt (Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press, 1972), page 18:

As I came down the new-cut road
I met a possum and a toad;
And every time the toad would jump,
The possum bit him on the rump!


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Subject: RE: tinker & a toad connected to Billy Patterson LYR?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 05 Jan 10 - 11:07 AM

From The William and Mary Quarterly (Williamsburg, Va.: Institute of Early American History and Culture, 1964), page 86:

As I was going 'long the new cut road
I met a 'possum and a toad,
Every time the toad would jump
The 'possum hid behind a stump.


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Subject: RE: tinker & a toad connected to Billy Patterson LYR?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 05 Jan 10 - 01:08 PM

From The American Play-Party Song by B. A. Botkin (New York: Ungar, 1963), pages 99 and 286:

[page 99:]
As I went down the new-cut road,
I met a peddler and a toad.
Every time the toad would jump,
The peddler would dodge behind a stump.

[page 286:]
As I went down the new-cut road,
There I spied a terrapin and a toad.
Every time the toad would sing,
The terrapin would cut the pigeon wing.

CHORUS: So clear the kitchen, old folks, young folks.
Old folks, young folks, Old Virginny never tires.

*
Traditional Music of America by Ira W. Ford (New York: E. P. Dutton and Co., 1940), page 435 – finds this as a floating verse in TURKEY IN THE STRAW:

As I was a-goin' down the road,
I met Miss Possum and I met Mr. Toad.
And every time the toad would sing,
The 'possum cut the pigeon-wing.

*
I think there are more variations out there if you cared to look for them!


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Subject: Lyr Add: CHARLESTON GALS
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 06 Jan 10 - 07:36 PM

Finally, here's a song that provides the link you were looking for:

This song appears, with musical notation for one voice, in Slave Songs of the United States by William Francis Allen, Charles Pickard Ware, Lucy McKim Garrison (New York: A. Simpson & Co., 1867), page 88:


CHARLESTON GALS

1. As I walked down the new-cut road,
I met the tap and then the toad;
The toad commenced to whistle and sing,
And the possum cut the pigeon-wing.

CHORUS: Along come an old man riding by:
Old man, if you don't mind, your horse will die;
If he dies I'll tan his skin,
And if he lives I'll ride him agin.
Hi ho, for Charleston gals!
Charleston gals are the gals for me.

2. As I went a-walking down the street,
Up steps Charleston gals to take a walk with me.
I kep' a-walking and they kep' a-talking,
I danced with a gal with a hole in her stocking.


[I have no idea why the possum is referred to as "the tap." Any ideas, anybody?]


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'As I went down the new-cut road...'
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Jul 13 - 08:51 PM

Our family, from West Tennessee, would sing a song we called "Ro Rye," and the first verse was:

As I was once walking down a new cut road
I met a terrapin and a toad
And every time that toad would jump
The terrapin would jump behind the stump.

Chorus:
Ro Rye and a ro rye and a ro rye ro rye ro,
Ro rye and a ro rye and a ro rye ro rye ro.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'As I went down the new-cut road...'
From: GUEST,Joey Guest
Date: 30 Oct 14 - 06:11 AM

My grandfather used to sing a version of this. He was from Oxford, Georgia.

Just went down a new cut road.
Met an old terrapin. Met an old toad.
Every time the toad would jump, the terrapin would slide behind the stump.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'As I went down the new-cut road...'
From: GUEST,Roland Roth
Date: 04 Mar 16 - 08:37 PM

My farmer grandfather of German Mennonite ancestry in east Arkansas via Illinois sang it something like this, which appears to be a combination of more than one tune./ When I taught it to my kids and grandkids, I replaced a racial term in Granpa's version with donkey.
I have used phonetic spelling for some nonsense words.

As I went down the new-cut road,
I met a donkey and a toad.
Sing sum kitty once a kighmeo.

Kee-mo kigh-mo, there I was.
Come a hee; come a hi, come a ho.

Come a rumma-stitch, sack back billy,
nip cat sing some kitty, once a kime-e-o.


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