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Scottish MPs

GUEST,Brummie 07 Jan 10 - 04:29 AM
Joe Offer 07 Jan 10 - 04:49 AM
VirginiaTam 07 Jan 10 - 05:10 AM
BobKnight 07 Jan 10 - 05:19 AM
John MacKenzie 07 Jan 10 - 05:21 AM
MGM·Lion 07 Jan 10 - 05:27 AM
VirginiaTam 07 Jan 10 - 05:29 AM
Leadfingers 07 Jan 10 - 05:30 AM
Leadfingers 07 Jan 10 - 05:37 AM
MGM·Lion 07 Jan 10 - 05:53 AM
Jim McLean 07 Jan 10 - 09:33 AM
GUEST,Jack Campin 07 Jan 10 - 10:45 AM
GUEST,Jack Campin 07 Jan 10 - 10:47 AM
GUEST,Allan C 07 Jan 10 - 10:54 AM
Joe Offer 07 Jan 10 - 02:45 PM
Jim McLean 07 Jan 10 - 04:17 PM
GUEST,Allan C 07 Jan 10 - 06:13 PM
TheSnail 07 Jan 10 - 06:31 PM
BobKnight 07 Jan 10 - 09:06 PM
Jim McLean 08 Jan 10 - 05:56 AM
GUEST,Brummie 09 Jan 10 - 04:56 AM
Backwoodsman 09 Jan 10 - 07:44 AM
McGrath of Harlow 09 Jan 10 - 04:51 PM
Tattie Bogle 09 Jan 10 - 08:19 PM
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Subject: Scottish MPs
From: GUEST,Brummie
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 04:29 AM

How about this in the present political climate? Scottish MP


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Subject: RE: Scottish MPs
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 04:49 AM

I'm sure there are lots of nuances we won't understand here in California. Who are the man and woman in kilts, dancing in what I presume is Parliament?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Scottish MPs
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 05:10 AM

Gee Joe - do you sleep? It must be 3 am where you are?

I don't know the faces superimposed on the dancing figures? Scottish MPs I guess who have had dodgy dealings.

Didn't find the video very funny or the song very good for that matter.


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Subject: RE: Scottish MPs
From: BobKnight
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 05:19 AM

It's obviously and old recording - it mentions Joe Grimond who was leader of the Liberal Party in the late 60's. Alec Salmond is in it. (Scottish First Minister) Which would suggest the video is more up to date than the record.


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Subject: RE: Scottish MPs
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 05:21 AM

Well there you have it in a nutshell, two Americans making dismissive comments on something they know nothing about.
I thought it was bad enough with the English superciliousness at times!
So much for multiculturalism.
Or does that only work if your skin is a different colour, or you speak a foreign language?


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Subject: RE: Scottish MPs
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 05:27 AM

... and why the tune an Irish song ('Off to Dublin in the Green') to set these words to?


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Subject: RE: Scottish MPs
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 05:29 AM

Giok

Sorry if I have offended. The song was just not to my taste. Maybe too in your face for me. I enjoy more subtle barbs. Guess I should say that my very English husband did like it and found it funny.


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Subject: RE: Scottish MPs
From: Leadfingers
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 05:30 AM

Nigel Denver is a Glaswegian who was a major performer of mostly Scottish Orientated folk song - He is now (I Believe) retired .
The song is one of his OLD songs and the video is inspired by the recent MP's Expenses Scandal in UK .
For what its worth , the song IS better than the video i m h o


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Subject: RE: Scottish MPs
From: Leadfingers
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 05:37 AM

MtheGM - Dublin in the Green is a steal from English Folk Song , so why shouldnt a Scottish writer use it ?


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Subject: RE: Scottish MPs
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 05:53 AM

Yay - good point Leadfingers. OTOH, Dublin In The Green, becoz familiar from Dubliners record, surely first assocn which would come to mind — surely a more Scot-associated tune would have been a more effective choice for what is, after all, supposed to be a bit of Scot-oriented satire?


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Subject: RE: Scottish MPs
From: Jim McLean
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 09:33 AM

I wrote a dozen or so songs including this one for a Scottish Republican LP, sung by Nigel Denve and sleeve notes by Hugh MacDiarmid in 1966. It was intended for a Scottish audience as I have no truck with English MPs. I used fairly well known tunes as some folkies then as now find written music difficult to read. The choice of tune was to make the song instantly singable as Off to Dublin ... was well known in Scotland then and the parody is obvious. I repeat, the song was written almost 45 years ago.


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Subject: RE: Scottish MPs
From: GUEST,Jack Campin
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 10:45 AM

It's a Scottish nationalist song from the 1950s. I forget who wrote it (I'm not at home and can't check) but Jim MacLean will know (in fact he might well have written it himself).


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Subject: RE: Scottish MPs
From: GUEST,Jack Campin
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 10:47 AM

Oops. I didn't see the end of the thread for some reason. Still, nice to have my guess confirmed that fast.


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Subject: RE: Scottish MPs
From: GUEST,Allan C
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 10:54 AM

"Why an Irish tune"

This tune and the likes of "The Sash" are pretty much associated with and very well known in Scotland too. Especially in west-central Scotland which has a significant percentage of people with Irish heritage of both persuasions.


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Subject: RE: Scottish MPs
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 02:45 PM

But who are the dancing people in kilts?

I enjoyed the video and liked the song, and would like to understand the nuances better. Jim, can you post the lyrics?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Scottish MPs
From: Jim McLean
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 04:17 PM

Joe, I'll have a look at the video and see who I recognize and post the lyrics also.


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Subject: RE: Scottish MPs
From: GUEST,Allan C
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 06:13 PM

I'm pretty sure the woman shown in the kilt is Anne McGuire the Labour MP for Stirling who's expenses were investigated. Not sure about the guy but I'm sure it'll be the same scenario.


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Subject: RE: Scottish MPs
From: TheSnail
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 06:31 PM

Is it worth pointing out that the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a Scotsman?


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Subject: RE: Scottish MPs
From: BobKnight
Date: 07 Jan 10 - 09:06 PM

Ach! He's nae a real Scotsman - he's a labour politician first. I could say mair, bit I'll haud ma tongue.


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Subject: ADD: Scottish MP (lyrics, Jim McLean; tune trad)
From: Jim McLean
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 05:56 AM

Joe, as promised.

THE SCOTTISH MP
Words: Jim McLean Tune: Off to Dublin in the Green (The Merry Ploughboy)


I am a Scottish MP
From a city grey and black
So I'll shut my mouth when I'm in the South
Just in case they send me back.

Now some folk work for Labour,
And some for the Tory class,
But I work like hell for me my sel(f)
And the rest can kiss my kilt.

CHORUS:
        For I'm off to London in the morn, in the morn,
        In Westminster I will be,
        And I'll leave behind my brains and mind,
        And try for an MBE.

Oh Scotland, dearest Scotland,
You have given me your trust,
And if I make the grade to the Board of Trade,
Just guess who I'll trade first?

I'll trade the Lowlands for a peerage,
Give me an earldom for the Isles
And the whole damn lot can be easily bought
With one of Lizzie's smiles.

CHORUS:

I am a Scots Home-Ruler
At my English Queen's command,
For my real birthright is to be a knight
And the rest can be republicans.

So come Grimmond, Home and Ramsey-Mac,
Our Scottish Englishmen,
Nationality for a Scots MP
Means tea at number ten.

CHORUS:

Joe, there are so many people on the film, it would take too long to name them all. Suffice to say they are Scottish MPs although the Speaker of the House of Commons was forced to resign over the question of defrauding the people in the expenses scandal., which seems to be the motivation behind this video.
The song was included in a selection I wrote in the build up to the election in Hamilton in 1967 which was won by the Scottish Nationalist candidate Winnie Ewing who wrote me afterwards to say that the LP helped her cause. See here: The Balladeer
I had to go to England to get the album recorded as it was considered too 'controversial' by Scottish record companies at that time. Some of my earlier songs were included on an LP called Ding Dong Dollar (Anti Polaris and Scottish Republican Songs) which, again, was produced outside Scotland by Pete Seeger for the Folkways label.

NOTES:
(Joseph) Grimmond was the leader of the Liberal Party,

Ramsey MacDonald was a Scottish leador of the Labour Party but formed a National Government in which a majority of MPs were from the Conservatives (Tory) party and as a result, was expelled from the Labour Party, which accused him of 'betrayal'.

(Alexander Frederick Douglas-Home) Home (pronounced Hume) was a Conservative Prime Minister.

"Lizzie" is the present Queen Elizabeth.

Snail, the answer to you posting is in the last verse.


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Subject: RE: Scottish MPs
From: GUEST,Brummie
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 04:56 AM

The man in the kilt is John McFall, the chairman of the Treasury select committee enquiring into the banking fiasco.


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Subject: RE: Scottish MPs
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 07:44 AM

Nigel Denver was the Guest at the first-ever meeting of the Gainsborough Folk Club (then The Bothy) at The Horse & Groom pub back in the late 60's (or maybe early 70's - the years from leaving school to getting married the first time tend to blur into one nowadays!).

Nigel used to live in Lincoln, but not sure where he is now.


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Subject: RE: Scottish MPs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 04:51 PM

Great to hear Nigel again, evennif it's in a recording of so manyt year sago - here is a page about him -

"Nigel has now pronounced himself retired, although he is still in fine voice, and can usually be persuaded to do fund raisers, and parties. He has travelled more in the last few years than he ever did whilst performing having been twice to Australia, and to California and Mexico. I know he has plans to do more travelling in the future, so if he turns up in a bar near you, come over and say Hello because in the words of the song, He's a man you won't meet every day."

And that's true enough.


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Subject: RE: Scottish MPs
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 08:19 PM

So that's the Scottish Westminter MPs: how about a song for oor Holyrood MSPs, Jim? (For our American watchers that's the Scottish Parliament in Holyrood, Edinburgh, since we are now devolved!)
I think there were a few topical songs in circulation when the new building opened!
(And a friend has done a great parody of "Tae the begging I will go" only he's called it "Tae the banking I will go" - since the Royal Bank of Scotland fiasco)


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