BS: Curmudgeon's Medical Woes - Winter 2010

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 01:13 AM

If there was ever a case for health care reform and electronic record keeping, this is it.

Linn, it makes me tired reading about all of the things you're juggling, but it sounds like you're doing a good job. Deliver those dope slaps, as needed, in a diplomatic manner to the medical establishment.

PM your address, if you would. :)

Maggie

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: Morticia
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 06:18 AM

Wish we were closer to bring in wood, do some cooking, all those things you just don't need to be worried about right now. Both of you are in my thoughts, hope things turn round soon.

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: Severn
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 06:30 AM

Good luck and best wishes toward a speedy and complete recovery

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 07:20 AM

Fire in woodstove rebuilt and going nicely (glad I brought in the extra firewood last night), tea (double bergamot Earl Grey) made and half consumed, finished load of laundry and it's in the dryer, breakfast eaten (no, not the rest of the calzone, the bread pudding I made Wednesday).

Should go back upstairs and call Tom. Maybe find out what the game plan is for today.

I really hate spending the night alone in the house (alone except for the cats). Slept well, though, I guess. Only woke up around 3 a.m., but managed to get back to sleep.

Linn

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 07:31 AM

I'm glad you slept well- that will make a world of difference today. Hang in there, sweetie, and let us know what you need.
Give our love to Tom!

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: LilyFestre
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 07:34 AM

Thinking of you both.

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 09:33 AM

Okay, called Tom. Not in a huge hurry to get over to the hospital as, hey, it's a hospital and NOTHING happens rapidly (except emergencies, of course, and we're hoping to avoid that) -- mostly wait, wait, wait.

Anywho, he definitely has a blood infection that they're treating with antibiotics (which they actually started him on yesterday). Heparin but with coumadin in his future. (After the various medical procedures he's got scheduled.) Good thing I insisted he go to the hospital yesterday -- he curmudged and the EMTs called me upstairs to be "She Who Must Be Obeyed" (he didn't give me any curmudgeonry).

He's feeling great, other than all the lines and drips and stuff imprisoning him.

I'm hoping they'll turn him loose today, but it's a weekend, so usually not much happens. He'd probably like phone calls -- his voice is, of course, quieter than pre-cancer normal, but he's easily understood on the phone.

Just de-cluttered some closet stuff and added to the box to be added to the stuff in the car that goes to Goodwill -- Goodwill is directly on my way to the hospital.

Linn

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 10:24 AM

The other day I posted the Jan. 7 Arlo and Janis cartoon strip in my Facebook Status -- That's exactly how I've been feeling lately -- "wife, breadwinner, homemaker, triage nurse". I really identified with it. Then look what happened the very next morning! Life imitates art.
Triage Nurse

Linn

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 10:25 AM

Linn you are a devoted goddess. Regarding the cacaphony of beeps and such.
Could you possibly smuggle a small air horn to Tom so he could trigger it under his covers with impunity?
It seems a dandy little megaphone would be great fun too.

After all this commotion you need to get all the good food, hugs and rest a goddess deserves. Do not Skimp!

Its too bad Tom doesn;t have anything to get the REALLY GOOD drugs, but it sounds like he is on the mend and on his way to a great Spring.

Remember Ladies first

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 10:35 AM

Gee whiz Linn.... if ya gotta imitate art... why not this

http://haydee13.com/photogallery/framed/beautiful%20women%20for%20painting.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: GUEST,Peadar (formerly) of Portsmouth
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 11:07 AM

Dammit, Linn, can't I leave you guys alone for a week?!?

Give a call if there's anything I can do.

Hugs.

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 11:11 AM

Linn, I just saved that Triage cartoon to my "Mudcatters" folder. Let me know if you change it for VT's suggestion! :~)

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 11:22 AM

Okay, more firewood brought in (the hard stuff -- had to chop ice off it; leave the easy stuff for dark), stove heating nicely and shut down, cats fed.

"Date" made with up-the-hill neighbor for when I get home and finish chores -- told her I had the Tia Maria if she had the coffee.

I also started organizing (or at least putting in piles) the paper pollution on Tom's side of the table. We'll work on the rest, too. This is nowhere near as bad as before his heart surgery, but I WAS doing a bit of mumbling under my breath. Threw out the obvious. (Now why can't HE do that?!?)

Errands on the way; some groceries on the way home. Hope they don't decide to release him tomorrow as I work noon to 5.

News at 11...
Linn

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 02:00 PM

If you throw things out, then you can no longer curmudge about them Linn.

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: maeve
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 02:05 PM

Linn and Tom- Love and encouragement is flying from our temporary housing to you both.

Love,

maeve

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 02:18 PM

John, there are always other opportunities.

Personally, I think this whole winter sucks.

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: SINSULL
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 02:47 PM

And they still haven't changed the damn battery? Does it not pay enough to make it worth their while?
Very frustrating.

For the record, passing out as Tom did is a sign of pneumonia. My Dad did the same thing. No cough; no fever. But he passed out for a few minutes. And it was pneumonia.

Also for the record:
Guys, when you pass out, from other than alcoholic abuse, you are going to the hospital. Just shut up and accept it. Do you really think we are going to wait at home for the next shoe to drop? Tom, when you are feeling better I am going to slap you this side of your face.
Rant over.

Linn,
My cell phone is nearby. You have the number. Let me know what I can do.

Mary

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 02:59 PM

Mary, it's a nice gesture, but I don't know if Tom's into that sort of stuff.

Smart EMTs! I bet it's in the manual: "When transportation to an emergency care facility is indicated and a male patient refuses transportation, request assistance from the patient's partner, who will employ well-established techniques to ensure compliance. Often, this comes in the form of the simple phrase, 'Oh yes you will!'"

Women, of course, aren't that difficult to deal with. (I know I always listen to other people and do the sensible thing.)

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 03:42 PM

"(I know I always listen to other people and do the sensible thing.)"

...and we have the pictures to prove it.

---------------------------------

I can sorta empathize with Tom.... hospitals and doctors get pretty tedious after awhile, even when you NEED them. It IS tempting to 'wait & see'.

That's why we need women around....... (well...ummm... sorta)

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 04:45 PM

Can't stay here long -- more firewood to bring in while there's still some light -- gonna be real cold tonight.

Anywho, he's bored, BORED, real bored. But while I was there the sub for his hospital doc was in (it's Saturday...) and we had a nice talk. Looks like Tom is imprisoned (his word) until after his carotid angio or arteriogram (what's the difference? gotta look it up) on Tuesday. Since that will take him being immobilized for most of the day, I doubt they'll turn him loose on Tuesday, so maybe Wednesday. If so, then my co-worker and I don't have to swap hours on Tuesday (me opening, she closing). And, especially since I was talking to him about exercise for Tom (walking) and his leg pain (which won't let him do much walking), they're going to, since he's there, check the arteries in his arms and legs to check the damage to those and whether he'll need a stent there, too. The doc basically told Tom what I've been telling him for some time -- start moving. And the best way to do that is to walk. It'll help the meds work.

The infection and the pneumonia are parts of the same malady and he's on antibiotics, etc. for that.

The light is fading fast -- gotta go.

Linn

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: Hollowfox
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 05:06 PM

I guess I'd better bump up the $#@!-reduction candles for you two.   Bread pudding - my son Daniel calls it the Breakfast of Champions. And de-cluttering the table gives you something to do with your hands; good idea. I'd suggest taking Tom a bunch of cd's and something to play them on, as well as a couple of cheap novels, or one of those books he's sorta interested in, but never has the time to read. Maybe a musical instrument or two...

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 05:29 PM

Any errands you need run, whether it's picking Tom up, shopping, or gathering firewood, and all you have to do is ask. I may go pester him some tomorrow.

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 05:43 PM

An exercise bike only goes as fast as you want, and there are no witnesses either

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 08:32 PM

Did I mention that Tom's defibrillator battery is scheduled to be renewed on Feb. 18th? They've only been questioning it since October...

Talked to Tom a couple hours ago. He had had a spike in blood sugar (he's not normally diabetic) for which he had been given insulin earlier today, but that's fine now. His blood oxygen is also better (it had been borderline) so they took him off oxygen.

I probably will talk to him tomorrow morning, but won't visit before work. I'll head over afterwards with the BBC History magazines, some old SingOut!s he asked for and a tape player with the tapes of "Flashman" by George MacDonald Fraser that I scored for a couple bucks at Goodwill on my way home from the hospital. (Yeehah! I won! I donated more cubic footage than I left with!)

Then again, if I took him his concertina, he'd probably be out of there tomorrow... ;-)

My standard breakfast alternates between zucchini bread (lots of grated zucchini, raisins, walnuts) and bread pudding. This particular batch of bread pudding is made from leftover 5-grain bread, the usual eggs and cinnamon, dried cranberries and -- this was a first -- real buttermilk instead of regular milk. And I think I'll continue making it that way. (Bought more of Kate's Buttermilk today -- I'm hooked.)

I am very tired -- and on my way to bed after a bit of a read and a bit of brandy.

Linn

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: JudyB
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 10:10 PM

Hugs to you both....
(((((Tom))))) (((((Linn)))))

~JudyB

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Jan 10 - 10:35 PM

Sins is dead right on pneumonia as I alluded to earlier. When I went to the ER last September, the last thing I thought I had was pneumonia and yet it was one of the worst stays I ever had because of the treatment and the advanced stage that it had reached. I had only a very dry type of cough and felt awful......I was afraid it might be the H1N1 flu. Pneumonia presents in a lot of very different ways and it can advance rapidly and take a long time to get past. Its not just a bad cold.........

Linn......The terms are the same thing. Arteriogram and Angiogram are basically interchangeable terms and the testing is like a cardiac cath. Basically, they insert the cath and then use it in the same way they do in a cardiac cath but this time its in the neck. Nothing terrible and a lot easier than a cardiac cath as you don't need to lay flat and immobile for gawdamned forever!!!! Generally they like to keep a close eye on you for a longer time though as they're mucking about with the carotids which allows flow to the brain and they don't want you "blowing a headpipe."

Although I know how Tom feels, I learned to accept hospitals and it makes everything easier. Just think of it as riding an elephant downhill. Just hang on til the rides over.........

Tell Tom that like everyone else here, I'm thinking about the both of you...........There are a lot of us (and some are now gone) who have spent way too damn much time in hospitals. I know we have to "pay" for the follies of our youth, but is it really necessary to pay so damn much? And our spouses have to pay too. I have no idea how Linn and Karen and the many others do it. I apologize to Karen all the time but she thinks I'm nuts, but really....the woman deserved a lot better than me!

Hang in Guys.........This particular elephant ride has a a ways to go yet it seems but for what its worth, we're all here for the duration.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 04:51 AM

I really do fritter away time...

3 Cats & an elephant

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: Micca
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 05:17 AM

VTam, I have always loved this Elephant By Hokusai here but if 'Mudge'is riding downhill,(be it temporarily)on this Elephant I do hope this lot are not steering!!!! even If it seems to be an analogue for many hospitals!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 05:32 AM

Yup, that's Spaw, to the life :)

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: My guru always said
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 05:53 AM

Candle still lit for Tom & Linn, bt I'm afraid it's being shared with a lot of other friends at the moment, it seems to be a rotten time for a lot of people. Sending positive thoughts, love & hugs!
Hil x
Brandy, Tia Maria, Hot Toddies are good too for relaxing, but you do need to take care of yourself Linn!

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 07:10 AM

The elephant and 'Catters is bril! Lovely way to start the morning.

Got my cuppa next to me and the fire is started in the stove. (I can't seem to stuff it like Tom can to get it to hold the night -- or have more than a few niggardly coals and warm ash in the morning.)

The water in the kitchen was initially frozen, but was running shortly. (By the time I brought the tea kettle down from filling it in the bathroom.)

Fingers are a bit frozen here and starting to seize up, so I'm not staying long at the computer before taking my breakfast upstairs to bed and then to get up enough nerve for a shower. (It'll be warm IN the shower -- and the upstairs is warmer than this, the coldest room in the house.)

Gonna check FB then vamouse for a bit. I'll have talked to Tom by the time I check back, but there probably won't be anything new since I talked to him last night. I won't have time to go to Dover before going to work, but I'll head to the hospital as soon as I close at 5 bearing entertainment.

Linn

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 08:30 AM

Oh, my dear, warm up (looks like you're doing it right). You know we're all holding tight! I don't have any warm advice except to keep on keeping on!!

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 10:14 AM

Talked to Tom -- but he hadn't had his coffee yet. He did say he got a delightful call from a librarian in Youngstown, Ohio -- said it was too noisy in his room and hall last night to catch the name. Was that Karen, Catspaw's long suffering better half?

I just de-cluttered a few more things from the guestroom closet, and went through another magazine and some papers to dispose of. Threw another item into the Goodwill box. (Should transfer to a bag and put in the car so next time I drive past during biz hours, I can get it out of my life.)

Gotta go bring in some firewood (boy! does THAT sound like a broke record!)

I'll be back before I head to work.

Linn

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 11:19 AM

The 'Catter from Youngstown is the delightful "Hollowfox" of the X&$#VX**%!*! reduction candles. Karen and I spent a fun day over in east Ohio with her a few years back and she's another Mudcat "character."   

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: EBarnacle
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 11:55 AM

This thread sounds a lot like the discussion I had with my mother yesterday while we were over there for his 92nd b'day.

As selfish as it may sound, you have to take care of yourself first! If you are not in shape, how can you take care of those around you? If you need some time for yourself and your companion needs care at the same time, DO NOT PUT YOUR NEEDS ON HOLD. It is now possible to get Social Services to get you some relief, even if it's just for an hour or two at a time. Speak to the social worker assigned to Mudge's case. That what the whole damned department is there for.[Rant over.]

As far as his loss of consciousness, get them to push up the date of his battery change. I will give you odds his pulse or blood pressure was below par. Falling out in a bad place can have serious results.

As has been said in several ways here, you have to look at the whole picture and you are part of that picture.

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: SINSULL
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 01:01 PM

Linn,
Make room for a treadmill. It is the simplest way for Tom to start walking SLOWLY and carefully to build up his stamina. The snow is not an excuse and you don't have to worry about broken limbs from falling on ice.
Plant it in front of a TV and let him watch his favorite video.
SINS, about to do the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 01:17 PM

Mini trampoline does well too and receives the shock, making it easier to walk longer. Very difficult to resit the urge to bounce and twist though.

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: open mike
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 01:50 PM

if you're gonna ride an elephant
go for this one!
The sultan;s elephant

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: mouldy
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 03:10 PM

Glad to hear they seem to be sort of getting their act(s) together. It's a pain in the proverbial being stuck in hospital when you don't want to be, but he's in the best place for now, and somebody else is dealing with most of his care, which gives you (hopefully) more time to attend to your own needs, which you must - when the logging's out of the way!

Keep strong...thinking about you both.

Andrea

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: kendall
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 03:27 PM

The most important healer in this case is Tom himself!

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: Jeri
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 06:21 PM

I saw him a bit earlier. He was very thankful for the phone call and is bored out of his skull. No pneumonia though--some sort of blood infection (septicemia). He also said the chicken salad wasn't bad.

I suggested he get a hold of one of those kid's guns that shoot suction-cup darts and try to pop the people walking past his room. I'm guessing the staff wouldn't think that was as funny as Tom might, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 07:51 PM

Merde! I just posted a long post and it didn't "take".

Sorry. I just don't have time to post it again.

I've finally gotten home after a zooish day at work where I couldn't leave until over a half hour after I should have, headed to the hospital to see Tom and deliver most of the entertainment (he said he wouldn't have time to listen to Flashman cuz of what they have planned tomorrow and Tuesday), got home, brought in as much wood as I could carry along with my purse and briefcase, restarted the fire (some coals left), made and ate dinner (in front of the computer) and now gotta get some more wood so I can go to bed and wind down at some point.

No, Mary -- Tom just plain won't use a treadmill. But I will be able to get him walking when they sort out the pain in his legs. He had the DOCTOR tell him he needs to be more active and why; he doesn't listen to me about stuff like that, even though I've been explaining it to him for years. Sorry, I'm frustrated and exhausted and have got a whole bunch of stuff to get done tonight and tomorrow morning before going to work.

Later,
Linn

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: GUEST,Justine
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 07:58 PM

Linn,
So sorry about this news. I hope you are holding up under the stress. It's really a shame that Tom doesn't have one doctor who will take the responsibility to oversee/coordinate everything so that the burden is not on you. My unsolicited advice? Go to Boston. And if you need anything, reach out. So many people are waiting to help.

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 11 Jan 10 - 02:45 AM

I am going to plug the mini trampoline again. Set it in front of TV with lovely videos of outdoor scenes. Some have decent music, like some Scottish highlands videos. Stunning scenery and bagpipes wi'out the mozzies and weather. Can't beat it.

Really I have terrible foot and leg pain not only joints but muscles not getting enough chemicals or oxygen or something. The trampoline reduces a lot of the pain because it absorbs the shock of each foot fall. Nice easy pace. Advise glass of water before starting ad use of TENS machine during and/or after.

I know it is the willpower to just get up and do it. Just heard a very interesting news report on BBC R 1 about the willpower muscle (yes they called it that). Some study found that the brain doesn't have anything left over to give to willpower after taxing work or if dealing with pain etc. Best thing for the willpower is to make conscious move to just sitting up and standing up straight. Improving the posture makes it work better.

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 11 Jan 10 - 04:35 AM

Midgies dear, midgies, pleeeeeze :)

Midgies

Enjoy

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 11 Jan 10 - 06:19 AM

VT, interesting...especially what you say about posture. I've been bugging him about that, too, on a regular basis -- telling him you can't just put it off, then fix it "when he's got time". His shoulders have become quiet rounded since his heart surgery in 2004. He even denied it until I showed him pictures of himself. I suggested that some of his lung capacity problems (and singing problems, volume, etc., pre-cancer) might be caused by that -- and the "cure" is to just straighten his shoulders every time he thinks of it.

I guess the problem is he just never thinks of it. (Or else he needs some male-type person he respects to reinforce the idea.) I even talked to my physical therapists back when I was doing rehab on my broken arm.

The trampoline might be problematic, though, alas -- I'm sure Rufus (our young red male cat) would have to investigate his feet and the surface and try to, uh, "help". ;-)

Linn

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: SINSULL
Date: 11 Jan 10 - 08:28 AM

Well, I can help with the boredom part. I have a specially made slingshot and a supply of tiny flying nuns and cats. Might amuse Tom to ping his fellow inmates with a Sister of Charity.

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 11 Jan 10 - 08:29 AM

Okay, talked to Tom a little while ago -- he can't have food, etc. because they're doing some sort of procedure today. Could be vascular, could be something to find out exactly what kind of infection he has.

They initially said pneumonia because it was an infection and they didn't know what it was, so the standard answer is pneumonia.

I won't get to see him until I leave work today at 4. Going to drop off some magazines for Express Care at the hospital since I'll be there. Used to do this when I drove from physical therapy for my arm in Somersworth to Portsmouth to work.

Later!
Linn

Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 11 Jan 10 - 08:49 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Curmudgeon Fell -- On Way to Hospital
From: My guru always said
Date: 11 Jan 10 - 08:53 AM

Hey VT, what height does your ceiling need to be for the trampoline?? Ours are quite low, but it sounds like a good exercise!

Keep warm Linn!