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Song in Chinook Jargon on You tube

mg 20 Jan 10 - 03:53 PM
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Subject: Song in Chinook Jargon on You tube
From: mg
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 03:53 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S1gOAC4RCU


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Subject: RE: Song in Chinook Jarson on You tube
From: open mike
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 04:14 PM

oh, you mean jargon
the link at first did not worken
but when i put the link in on the you tube page it went thru


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Subject: RE: Song in Chinook Jargon on You tube
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 04:53 PM

The link worked okay for me. That's really neat! Thanks for posting it.


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Subject: RE: Song in Chinook Jargon on You tube
From: open mike
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 04:59 PM

here is another from WA Folk Art
skokomish


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Subject: RE: Song in Chinook Jargon on You tube
From: skipy
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:20 PM

I have worked with & flown in chinooks do they mention rotor, gearbox, jet engine, chocks, groundcrew, etc?


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Subject: RE: Song in Chinook Jargon on You tube
From: mousethief
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 06:12 PM

In a salmon?

O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: Song in Chinook Jargon on You tube
From: bubblyrat
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 04:55 AM

I thought a Chinook was a wind ?? Isn't it ?


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Subject: RE: Song in Chinook Jargon on You tube
From: treewind
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 12:21 PM

It is a wind, but it's named after the people who lived in the area where that type of wind (down the leeward slope of a mountain range) was first identified.

Isn't Wikipedia wonderful?
(it may be wrong, of course...)


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Subject: RE: Song in Chinook Jargon on You tube
From: mousethief
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 01:17 PM

And it's the local word for silver salmon.

O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: Song in Chinook Jargon on You tube
From: semi-submersible
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 01:31 PM

And Chinook is the language (not spoken today) of the Chinook aboriginal people in Washington state.

The Chinook jargon is a different language (technically a creole, not a fully developed language) used for communication and trade between widely different linguistic groups of western North America, and with Europeans. Words were borrowed from Salish, French and English, and various other sources. At one time it could easily have become the official language of British Columbia, but English won out instead.


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Subject: RE: Song in Chinook Jargon on You tube
From: mg
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 01:32 PM

Also word for King salmon...and I think they call it something else in Canada..but I wasn't aware silver and Chinook were the same. Every type of salmon has several names..
Dog and chum (Chinook word)...pink and?? ; Chinook and King; sockeye and?? I scramble them.

Come to think of it I would have sworn sockeye and silver were the same.

I think it is important to capitalize Chinook regardless if one is referring to a helicopter, salmon, wind, casino or whatever. It is the name of a once very dominant tribe at the mouth of the COlumbia River..well known for their trading up and down the coast. Many died tragically of disease..perhaps malaria. They became entertwined with other tribes and that is part of the problems they have had with tribal recognition..low numbers etc.

They were a tribe who flattened heads of infants. Chinook language I believe is extinct. Chinook jargon is a mix of whatever languages they encountered..French, Spanish..I think some Japanese and Russian perhaps..probably some Hawaiian..several Native American languages. The jargon used to be spoken quite regularly in commerce etc. by everyone..many words were in common usage in the olden days of Seattle etc.   mg


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Subject: RE: Song in Chinook Jargon on You tube
From: mg
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 01:36 PM

We really should have something at NW Folklife next year for this..there were prayerbooks, hymns, etc. written in Chinook jargon..although most people would just say Chinook meaning the jargon and not the original language.

It is also interesting that there could be mixtues of Japanese or Chinese in some of these local tribes..from shipwrecks etc. Plus I would guess a bit more Russian and Spanish than commonly known. There is a tribe..I think Tilamook..that was said to have Asian ancestry..I read this in an actual book recently..plus they were known to have Russian slaves at the tiem of the explorers.    mg


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Subject: RE: Song in Chinook Jargon on You tube
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 01:36 PM

Thanks for the link.

Let's see. Wandering guy sees a pretty woman. Proposes 'marriage.' She responds, sorry, but I already have a man. He just happens to not be here.

In other words, it's another James Reilly song.


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Subject: RE: Song in Chinook Jargon on You tube
From: semi-submersible
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 04:03 PM

Names are variable, but Silver Salmon usually means Coho, unless it refers to grade instead of species (bright, as opposed to dark). Their flavour becomes musky as the salmon near the end of their migration and assume their mating costumes, so catch is graded by quality as well as quantity.

These are the species of Pacific salmon. There are other Oncorhynchus but they are called trout, not salmon.

- pink salmon, humpback = Oncorhynchus gorbuscha Small two-year cycle salmon. (All the rest live in four year cycles.) Males of some runs pack extra fat on humped back and belly until in profile rather like a frying pan with fish head. While leaping out of the water they wriggle all over, swimming even in the air, and sometimes you glimpse a bright iridescent pink reflection from the fish's side. Flesh turns soft readily if abused, but is excellent with proper handling.
- chum, dog salmon = Oncorhynchus keta Colour grades: silverbright (fresh from the sea), qualla (intermediate), dark (ready for spawning; flesh near worthless but ripe roe prized for sushi). Big, heavy, less athletic than other species. Low fat content means little flavour if canned, but perfect for smoking, barbecuing.
- coho, fall salmon, silver, silverside = Oncorhynchus kisutch If they're actively feeding, clean your catch at once as its strong digestive juices will chemically burn its belly. (Also with spring salmon, but less so.) If you're cleaning many, wear gloves or wash your hands promptly, lest you get "coho burn" on your skin too. Coho, springs, and sockeye can be canned, smoked, dried, frozen, etc. any way you like 'em.
- Chinook, king, spring salmon, etc. = Oncorhynchus tshawytscha Big ones (say, over 30 lbs.) called tyee or (by commercial fishermen in BC) a smiley. Many nicknames for this species, which is also the most variable in flesh colour, size, and life cycle timing.
- sockeye, red salmon = Oncorhynchus nerka Sockeye that live their whole lives in a lake are called Kokanee. Plankton feeder, with teeny tiny teeth and a superior quality of slime which protects against scale loss. Firm, bright red flesh, which retains texture better than other species under poor handling. Highest oil content means most intense flavour of all.
- steelhead = Oncorhynchus mykiss. Called rainbow trout if it lives its life in fresh water. Previously considered the only (regularly) sea run* trout; recently designated a salmon, making it the only (regularly) multiply-returning** species of Pacific North American salmon.
- And on the west side of the Pacific they have seema or cherry salmon = Oncorhynchus masou.

* I believe a few cutthroat trout migrate to sea for part of their adult lives also.
** Pacific salmon other than steelhead (and occasional big springs or coho, so I've heard) normally spend their entire energies coming home and spawning; life has no further purpose after that, so they stay and let their bodies fertilise the river ecosystems.

But I could be wrong about all this. I'm a fisherman, not a biologist or linguist.

Now to see if my old computer will download a YouTube song without crashing.


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Subject: RE: Song in Chinook Jargon on You tube
From: mg
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 04:06 PM

So Coho is silver..as in the Coho flash silver all over the bay..

Mousethief..are you sure they refer to Chinook as silver? mg


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Subject: RE: Song in Chinook Jargon on You tube
From: semi-submersible
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 04:08 PM

I bet it was the power of suggestion. I didn't catch it either, until you questioned that identification.


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