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Jig, double jig, slide????

Les in Chorlton 25 Jan 10 - 01:17 PM
The Sandman 25 Jan 10 - 01:28 PM
GUEST,Peter Laban 25 Jan 10 - 02:07 PM
The Sandman 25 Jan 10 - 03:05 PM
GUEST 25 Jan 10 - 03:38 PM
The Sandman 25 Jan 10 - 03:51 PM
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The Sandman 25 Jan 10 - 04:06 PM
clueless don 26 Jan 10 - 09:15 AM
Les in Chorlton 26 Jan 10 - 11:16 AM
The Sandman 26 Jan 10 - 11:16 AM
GUEST,leeneia 27 Jan 10 - 09:25 AM
Les in Chorlton 27 Jan 10 - 09:51 AM
The Sandman 27 Jan 10 - 09:57 AM
GUEST,leeneia 27 Jan 10 - 10:14 AM
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Subject: Jig, double jig, slide????
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 25 Jan 10 - 01:17 PM

So, how can we tell one from the others?

L in C


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Subject: RE: Jig, double jig, slide????
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Jan 10 - 01:28 PM

slides are in 12/8,have less notes than a double jig and are played much faster,they are pretty much humpty dumpty rhythym,one long note one short ,double jigs often have six quavers in a bar ,or more notes.
when danced, slides have eight bars where people can do a sliding movement which relys on the music having less notes and one note twice as long as the next.then there are slip jigs which are in 9/8 ,often used for stripping the willow or dances like drops of brandy.
single jigs are different again ,but are definitely different from a slide.
I have seen single jigs being danced by sol dancers and they were danced very slowly


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Subject: RE: Jig, double jig, slide????
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 25 Jan 10 - 02:07 PM

Lisheen etc by Seamus Ennis


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Subject: RE: Jig, double jig, slide????
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Jan 10 - 03:05 PM

and slip jigs 9/8 time, have emphasis on first, fourth and seventh beats,double jigs have a greater emphasis on the first beat than the fourth beat.


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Subject: RE: Jig, double jig, slide????
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 10 - 03:38 PM

Good Soldier Schweik said:- 'single jigs are different again ,but are definitely different from a slide.'
HaHa! Well said....but not very precise!
All those 6/8 marches too, getting all mixed in. Don't ask me how to tell them all apart before I've had a really good think.


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Subject: RE: Jig, double jig, slide????
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Jan 10 - 03:51 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu-oxrrcpZwhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu-oxrrcpZw that is a single jig.here is aslide quite diferenthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2JMWSrMLh4


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Subject: RE: Jig, double jig, slide????
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Jan 10 - 04:02 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3vpyXyLs80
and here is a slide youtube.com/watch?v=45hHvoWtdCU&feature=related


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Subject: RE: Jig, double jig, slide????
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Jan 10 - 04:06 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45hHvoWtdCU&feature=relatedand here at long last is a slide.its fater and rhytmically different


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Subject: RE: Jig, double jig, slide????
From: clueless don
Date: 26 Jan 10 - 09:15 AM

The tune being played on Good Soldier Schweik's first YouTube video, posted 25 Jan 10 - 03:51 PM above, is called "Off She Goes", and is exhibit A of a single jig that is not a slide.

I have heard that all slides are single jigs, but not all single jigs are slides. I have also heard that, no, slides aren't single jigs and single jigs aren't slides. It is apparently one of those areas where terminology is not yet standardized.

When I used to dance single jigs, back in my step dancing days, they sure didn't seem slow!

Don


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Subject: RE: Jig, double jig, slide????
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 26 Jan 10 - 11:16 AM

I have heard it said that slides are in 12/8. This tends to give longer phrases to the tune than jigs which are 6/8. Does this sound right?

L in C


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Subject: RE: Jig, double jig, slide????
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Jan 10 - 11:16 AM

well listen to slides and they sound much faster than single jigs,being played for solo dancing,slides are metronome speed approx 142,single jigs as danced for solo dancers check out the youtube videos,that is much slower.


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Subject: RE: Jig, double jig, slide????
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 09:25 AM

"When I used to dance single jigs, back in my step dancing days, they sure didn't seem slow!"

I agree. That's why there is the expression 'in jig time,' which means 'really fast'.

However, that doesn't mean you have to play them at the speed of light. A good jig has a melody buried in the A part, and you want to bring it out. (The B part is usually more mechanical.) You also want the listener to hear the difference between major and minor. Some people play only to impress others with their speed, but that can obscure the interesting features of the music.

I dunno anything about slides, but as to slip jigs (9/8) I've been told that they're fast and I've been told that they're slow. I believe that we are free to do what we want.


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Subject: RE: Jig, double jig, slide????
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 09:51 AM

Since I don't have a lot of choice I tend to play near the slow end. Something I think I have spotted is not so much tempo or triplets etc but the actual phrases of melody.

Slip jigs are 9/8 and they remained a mystery until I realised the phrases of the melody come in collections of 9 notes. As most of us are usd to collections of 2, 4 or 6 we find 9 odd and a bit exciting. Does this sound right?

L in C


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Subject: RE: Jig, double jig, slide????
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 09:57 AM

well speed does sometimes depend on several things.
1 abilty of the dancer,beginner dancers need the music slower
2,Exactly what is the purpose of the dance ,example solo hornpipes,have to be slow so the dancer can do intricate stepping.
so slides are generally played for part of a set,and are not an intricate solo dance ,so they are played faster,solo and group single jigs will be slower,because they are have more compilcated stepping.
but there is also a different emphasis,and note structure between single jigs and slides,listen and it will be revealed.


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Subject: RE: Jig, double jig, slide????
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 10:14 AM

I agree. First of all, if anybody is actually dancing, we need to accommodate them. What's the right pace for them?

I myself never play for dancers. I play to listen.

By the way, I searched YouTube and found a band playing a slide. It's halfway through this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkpGNm9pXeI

For any beginners here, pretend that the music has very, very simple lyrics. When it's going 'henrietta, henrietta' that's the reel. (4/4)

When you can fit 'wonderful, wonderful' to it, that's the slide. (some form of triple time.)


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