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Tech: Converting CD collection to MP3

Dave the Gnome 31 Jan 10 - 08:52 AM
Dave the Gnome 31 Jan 10 - 08:57 AM
gnomad 31 Jan 10 - 09:19 AM
treewind 31 Jan 10 - 09:28 AM
Will Fly 31 Jan 10 - 09:36 AM
deepdoc1 31 Jan 10 - 10:16 AM
Dave the Gnome 31 Jan 10 - 11:27 AM
Spleen Cringe 31 Jan 10 - 11:33 AM
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Dave the Gnome 01 Feb 10 - 04:27 AM
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Subject: Tech: Converting CD collection to MP
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 08:52 AM

I have decided to bite the bullet and clear a lot of space by doing the above. I am quiet happy with the results so far an have converted a couple of dozen albums using Free RIP basic. Before I get any further down this road anyone have any advice on converting, playing and storing that they would like to share?

BTW - I have settled on MP3 because it is the only format that plays on my TomTom FM transmitter so I can listen in the car. It also seems to be the one most accepted by all devices.

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: Tech: Converting CD collection to MP
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 08:57 AM

Thread title should read MP3 of course - damn that sticky keyboard and the bad workman blaming his tools:-) Can a mudelf help please?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Converting CD collection to MP
From: gnomad
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 09:19 AM

Media Monkey works well for me, the free version meets all my needs (and several more) but if you want to know lots about ripping try the Radified Guide which will tell you more than most people ever need to know on the subject.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Converting CD collection to MP
From: treewind
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 09:28 AM

If you're actually discarding the physical CDs, don't let MP3 be the only format you store them in. Apart from the fact that you should always have a second copy of everything, MP3 is a lossy format from which the original can't be recovered exactly. Store them also on hard disk or DVDs as .WAV files, or if you want to save on storage space convert the .WAV to .FLAC. (Free Lossless Audio Compression)

FLAC is free and gives you about 50% reduction in storage space - not as much compression as MP3 but still useful, and you can recover the exact .WAV file which is a replica of what was on the CD, and make fresh MP3's from those if necessary.

Incidentally some players can handle FLAC directly.

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Tech: Converting CD collection to MP
From: Will Fly
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 09:36 AM

I always save my own stuff as WAV or AIFF files - no compression. Then I can convert them into proper CDs or into mp3 files. The vinyl, of course, is sacrosanct. No space savings - just convenience for the car and the iPod. :-)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Converting CD collection to MP
From: deepdoc1
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 10:16 AM

I have ~80GB of music as mp3. I use iTunes, but only because I use the iPod. iTunes is adequate and free. Some lessons learned (the hard way): (1) keep your original media for two reasons - liner notes and backup; (2) see (1) for a clue to backup, backup, backup, unless you really like re-ripping your CD's and tapes. Hard drives fail, and it's never pretty. I learned this early on, fortunately didn't lose but 10GB, but it stinks to have to re-rip. I am OC about getting lyrics and artist info into the ID3 metadata, and that does not magically reappear when you re-rip a CD.

If you save photo's digitally, this needs backed up, too. One convenient way to do this is get an external USB drive that has built-in synchronizing software, and sync your entire My Documents folder. I'm PC oriented, but the concepts are the same for Mac's as well.

Happy ripping!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Converting CD collection to MP
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 11:27 AM

Ok - So from the bit I have picked up so far then I need to copy them in another format and then convert them to MP. Have I got that bit right? I am going to keep the CDs anyway - just in a box in the attic rather than on a handy CD shelf. The Radfield Guide looks great - I will have a peruse and, in the interim, stop saving direct to MP3. So far so good? Thanks peeps - Any other advice freatly welcome. I am quite aware of the need to copy though an have a ystem of saving on multiple devices that suits me.

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: Tech: Converting CD collection to MP
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 11:33 AM

I use Exact Audio Copy and very good it is. It's freeware too, which is even better.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Converting CD collection to MP
From: Tangledwood
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 09:41 PM

If you think that a catalogue of your collection would be useful do it as you go. That was something I didn't think of doing and, as all my mp3s are stored on CDs rather than the PC, it appears to be a large task ahead to extract all of the information.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Converting CD collection to MP
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 04:27 AM

Good point, Tangledwood, and taken on board. The collection is currently in 'My Music' folder. If it is a compilation album of various artists it goes by album name and if it is a specific artist it goes by artist names. Where I have multiple albums by the same artist there a album title sub-folders. The software I use has, generaly, put the genre, date etc. on it so I can search by that using media player. Is there anything else I should be doing?

Going back to saving the tracks. For the albums I have already ripped, I will re-rip them using media player and save to WAV file so I wil have two copies - three if you cound the orginal CD!

For future ones should I save to WAV and then rip the MP3 from the WAV or should I rip both copies from CD? Any suggestions or preferences?

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: Tech: Converting CD collection to MP
From: treewind
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 05:28 AM

Whichever is quickest/easisest, but I'd guess that converting WAV to MP3 is quicker than reading it from the CD twice.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Converting CD collection to MP
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 05:33 AM

Actualy - Thinking about it - I now believe converting to WAV only may be the answer to most of the issues - I can then just convert to MP3 the ones I want to put on my MP3 device. As treewind says it will be quicker for the ones I do want to convert and I only need to convert the ones that I want on the TomTom - Seemples!

Thanks peeps. I guess Media Player is OK for conversion to WAV is it? With the previously mentioned issues with MP3s I guess any program will do for converting the WAVs to MP3s. Is that right?

Cheers

DeG


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Subject: RE: Tech: Converting CD collection to MP
From: IvanB
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 03:05 PM

Dave, I think you might still be happier using EAC for the ripping. My understanding of the technology is that EAC is meticulous about reading and rereading as necessary to get every bit of the WAV file correctly. Other, single pass, rippers may interpolate or skip altogether parts of a CD they have trouble reading, so the WAV file may or may not be an wxact copy of the original. If EAC can't create an exact duplicate it at least gives you a report showing exactly what problems it had and where in the file.

Having the WAV file as accurate as possible is critical for encoding to other formats, including mp3.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Converting CD collection to MP
From: GUEST,Arkie
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 03:27 PM

Creating indexes is not that difficult or time consuming and can be very useful. It would be quicker to do it at the time of the recording but there are other ways IF certain things are in place. If the correct IDs are burned to the CD the titles can be read by various programs and pasted to a spreadsheet or database. I use Acoustica which is relatively inexpensive and Media Monkey which is freeware. Media Monkey creates a report to Excel and several other programs. In Acoustica I read the CD, copy the track names and paste to Excel. I would expect other labeling programs to do the same thing. If you are using Nero, you can save the Nero files. Acoustica will read those Nero files providing track names which can be copied and pasted. Check with whatever burning and labeling programs you are using and see what the capabilities may be. My personal rule has been to type the track artist and titles one time and have the software allow me to make labels and indexes. Media Monkey has simplified the tag writing over other programs I tried before discovering MM.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Converting CD collection to MP
From: Tangledwood
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 05:37 PM

Dave, the details that I would mainly be looking for are album, artist, song/track name. That way if we learn a tune at a session I can easily find what recorded versions of it I may have and quickly find the relevant CDs. Other information can be included in mp3 tags, e.g. date, genre, key but they are of lesser importance to me.

Arkie - thanks for the MM tip, I'll look into that. Like you, I haven't had satisfaction from other tag writers.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Converting CD collection to MP
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 04:45 AM

Thanks all - I will look up EAC and the various indexing software mentioned.

D.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Converting CD collection to MP
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Feb 10 - 11:41 AM

OK - Heres an interesting question for you sound file boffs. Well, interesting to me anyroads...

The CDs I have converted so far have played fine. I only listen to MP3s in the car anyway so the quality is not paramount but they have been fine anyway. Until I played 'Bagrock for the Masses' by the Red Hot Chille Pipers yesterday. If you hadn't guessed they are a pipe band with attitude. The pipes come across fine, as does most things, but the drums are really odd. imagine the type of drumming you get with a pipe and drum band - Loud, a lot of it and often very quick at times. It comes across as noise, almost like static, on the MP3s!

I guess it is something to do with the sampling not being able to cope but is there some way round it?

Cheers

DeG


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Subject: RE: Tech: Converting CD collection to MP
From: GUEST,Arkie
Date: 03 Feb 10 - 12:54 PM

only guessing here but I recently had noise on CDs I had burned and it turned out that it came during the burning process. I have no idea what caused that. Some options here are to listen to the track on your computer and see if you have the same problem as on the CD. If that track is distorted you can try ripping the original to wave and starting over. Hopefully, you will get some advice here that will save you that trouble.

You are probably already aware of this but MP3s can be saved at differnt bit rates. 128 is considered CD quality in some things I have read. I usually save at 192 and sometimes higher since space is not as much a consideration as it was in the early days of computing.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Converting CD collection to MP
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 12:56 AM

"the WAV file may or may not be an wxact copy of the original"

ROFL.... sorry, couldn't resist! That's just HOW it happens!



"just in a box in the attic"

Provided your attic is not subject to extremes of heat or cold, which is not recommended fr long term storage of CDs, DVDs...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Converting CD collection to MP
From: mousethief
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 01:04 AM

128 is far from CD quality. I believe "near CD quality" is 356. 128 is adequate for most uses for most music types, as long as you're going to be listening in a noisy environment.

O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: Tech: Converting CD collection to MP3
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 01:42 AM

I use Windows Media Player for ripping CDs, and as a music player. It does a reasonably good job, but I'm still looking for something better. I didn't like iTunes.

I found it helpful to put my MP3 files on a separate drive on my old computer. I bought a Windows 7 computer with a 1-Terabyte hard drive, and foolishly put my music collection on my hard drive. I gout it made my machine bog down, so I partitioned the hard drive and put the music on a separate partition. That seems to work quite well.

One problem I haven't solved, is how to back up my music collection, which is constantly expanding. I'd rather not use backup utilities, which generally seem to save everything in compressed files. What I'd like is an exact copy of my MP3 partition. Is there a "synchronize" function that will add just new MP3s to my backup drive?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Converting CD collection to MP3
From: treewind
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 03:51 AM

"128 is far from CD quality"

Only 16bit/44.1 kHz (i.e. the usual standard) WAV is CD quality.
Any MP3 is less than CD quality, but the question is what you can get away with.

128k MP3 is sometimes described as "FM radio Quality", or tape cassette (though the latter vary a lot).
It's OK for listening on your iPod, in the car, casual background music, typical cheap computer speakers etc but I certainly wouldn't want 128k MP3 as my master library copy of anything important. It's also a definite no-no for music that's going to receive any further processing.

Few people can distinguish 192k or 256k MP3 from the original, and when you get to 320k, I think you'd need a top "golden ears" mastering engineer with custom designed listening room and speakers I couldn't afford without selling the car... and then carefully selected music that shows up the compression artifacts.

I usually set 160k ABR (Average or Variable bit rate, which is better than fixed bit rate) for MP3s to upload to the web.
I have noticed an improvement by going up to 192k in the sound track for YouTube videos, but that has to do with the fact that they get re-compressed by YouTube's processing and you really need good audio to start with, or the result ain't pretty.

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Tech: Converting CD collection to MP3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 04:23 AM

Thanks a lot everyone. I think I am sorted now. Main copy will definietely be WAVs created with a good package that will try to duplicate the sound exactly and then copy them to MP3, using a higher bit rate, when I want a car copy.

Joe - You may just want to mirror your partition to another disk. That way you don't have to worry about copying as anything you write will be written to both disks. It will slow writes down a little, unless you have a massive memory cache, but it will speed up reads because it can use both disks. I beleive Windows 7 has it's own mirroring utilities. Plenty URLs refering to it including this one.

If, however, you have a new-ish PC with onboard RAID features you may want to consider mirroring via that or, if you can put 3 or 4 disks in, use RAID 5 instead of mirroring which will give you some security without using as much disk space as mirroring (RAID 1).

Any of our in-house mudcat techies would be happy to help, I'm sure.

Dave


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Subject: RE: Tech: Converting CD collection to MP3
From: deepdoc1
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 11:15 AM

@Joe, "One problem I haven't solved, is how to back up my music collection, which is constantly expanding. I'd rather not use backup utilities, which generally seem to save everything in compressed files. What I'd like is an exact copy of my MP3 partition. Is there a "synchronize" function that will add just new MP3s to my backup drive?"


I use a Maxtor external USB drive that comes with a utility that synchronizes whatever folders you select. Default is to sync My Documents, but you can change that. It will keep an exact copy of your selected folders, and if you edit the tags to add lyrics or update artist info, the changes are reflected in the sync copy almost immediately. I actually used this external drive to migrate my collection from my XP computer to my Win7 computer.

Many drives have a version of the sync software. It's better than backups (IMHO) because it's real-time and no interaction required.

Hope this helps,

JimB


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