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Folk Awards - Best Duo

Folkiedave 01 Feb 10 - 04:04 PM
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GUEST,Ralphie 01 Feb 10 - 04:07 PM
Folkiedave 01 Feb 10 - 04:14 PM
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Surreysinger 01 Feb 10 - 05:44 PM
Jerry Rasmussen 01 Feb 10 - 07:51 PM
Folkiedave 01 Feb 10 - 07:58 PM
evansakes 01 Feb 10 - 09:16 PM
GUEST,Moonraker 02 Feb 10 - 02:24 AM
SunrayFC 02 Feb 10 - 02:39 AM
The Villan 02 Feb 10 - 02:40 AM
Dave Hanson 02 Feb 10 - 02:45 AM
Silas 02 Feb 10 - 02:50 AM
Spleen Cringe 02 Feb 10 - 02:51 AM
Silas 02 Feb 10 - 02:52 AM
evansakes 02 Feb 10 - 03:13 AM
theleveller 02 Feb 10 - 03:47 AM
GUEST,Moonraker 02 Feb 10 - 03:48 AM
Dave Sutherland 02 Feb 10 - 03:52 AM
evansakes 02 Feb 10 - 03:56 AM
Dave Sutherland 02 Feb 10 - 03:57 AM
The Villan 02 Feb 10 - 04:10 AM
The Sandman 02 Feb 10 - 02:27 PM
GUEST,BassmanD 02 Feb 10 - 06:14 PM
Folknacious 02 Feb 10 - 06:52 PM
The Sandman 03 Feb 10 - 10:17 AM
GUEST,Silas 03 Feb 10 - 10:34 AM
Folkiedave 03 Feb 10 - 10:38 AM
GUEST,Captain Jack Sparrow 03 Feb 10 - 11:01 AM
GUEST,henryp 03 Feb 10 - 11:26 AM
JohnB 03 Feb 10 - 11:39 AM
evansakes 03 Feb 10 - 12:02 PM
Folkiedave 03 Feb 10 - 12:27 PM
GUEST,Silas 03 Feb 10 - 12:28 PM
GUEST,Captain Jack Sparrow 03 Feb 10 - 01:25 PM
Folkiedave 03 Feb 10 - 05:20 PM
Silas 03 Feb 10 - 05:35 PM
Spleen Cringe 03 Feb 10 - 07:23 PM
GUEST,Mark Stevens 03 Feb 10 - 09:23 PM
EnglishFolkfan 04 Feb 10 - 02:44 AM
Ruth Archer 04 Feb 10 - 03:13 AM
Folkiedave 04 Feb 10 - 04:53 AM
Silas 04 Feb 10 - 05:47 AM
GUEST,Voter 04 Feb 10 - 06:03 AM
Suegorgeous 04 Feb 10 - 06:31 AM
GUEST 04 Feb 10 - 07:41 AM
GUEST,Spleen Cringe 04 Feb 10 - 07:41 AM
Folkiedave 04 Feb 10 - 07:43 AM
Silas 04 Feb 10 - 07:45 AM
GUEST,Henryp 04 Feb 10 - 07:55 AM
Dave Sutherland 04 Feb 10 - 08:47 AM
Folkiedave 04 Feb 10 - 09:22 AM
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GUEST,Tom Bliss 04 Feb 10 - 01:45 PM
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GUEST,Silas 05 Feb 10 - 07:59 AM
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Subject: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Folkiedave
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 04:04 PM

Show of Hands trio.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: The Villan
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 04:05 PM

Ludicrous


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Folkiedave
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 04:05 PM

Best Group Lau, best orig song Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed Steve Knightley


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 04:07 PM

Show of Hands....
Duo...2
Trio..3
How does that work?
(At least Lizzie C will be happy!)


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Folkiedave
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 04:14 PM

Not necessarily Ralph....


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 04:44 PM

Are Sherburn and Bartley not in there? They ought to be if not.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Surreysinger
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 05:44 PM

Too late anyway by the sound of it as the trio got best duo,eh?
White floppy eared animals one year, duos with three people another ... wouldn't be the Folk Awards without something to cause controversy would it?


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 07:51 PM

I voted for Ashley and Watson.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Folkiedave
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 07:58 PM

Good move Jerry..........


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: evansakes
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 09:16 PM

So have I got this right?

Both the 'Best Duo' AND the 'Best Group' award were won by a trio this year?


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: GUEST,Moonraker
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 02:24 AM

Looks like the best duo won, well done Mr Beer and Mr Knightly


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: SunrayFC
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 02:39 AM

Well done indeed. Excellent news.

Richly deserved.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: The Villan
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 02:40 AM

And don't forget Miranda Sykes, Moonraker who is an integral part of this supposed duo. Or aren't women considered part of that duo?


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 02:45 AM

It's on a par with Seth Lakemans self penned song winning best traditional song a few years ago, it's all a bit of a joke innit.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Silas
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 02:50 AM

Yep, its all a bit silly. How did Jackie do?


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 02:51 AM

"Best duo"? What a strange concept. Sound very retro. Who talks about duos, trios and so on now anyway?

Who won best octet?


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Silas
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 02:52 AM

Martin Simpson?


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: evansakes
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 03:13 AM

Actually, I think Martin Simpson won best septet.

The 'Transatlantic Sessions' crew apparently won best solo artist.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: theleveller
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 03:47 AM

Was the best traditional song won by Anonymous?


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: GUEST,Moonraker
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 03:48 AM

Thanks for the laughs, duo with guest/trio, honestly there are more important things to worry about.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 03:52 AM

Does anyone actually know who won what?
I'm searching BBC Radio 2 without any success at all.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: evansakes
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 03:56 AM

Just listening to Chris Evans on R2 (don't ask me why!).

He spent the last night "with the folkies" down at the Folk Awards. He said the place was full of "more celebrities than you could shake a sick at"

At least he's playing a couple of excerpts. The sublime and very musical 'Man of Constant Sorrow' by the Transatlantic Sessions gang following the god-awful racket of 'I Fought The Law' by The Bad Shepherds.

Chris has also just admitted he'd never heard of Cara Dillon before...


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 03:57 AM

Just had a thought and tried the fROOTS board - the results are there.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: The Villan
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 04:10 AM

Here you go

http://froots.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5060


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 02:27 PM

well, who were the judges?.the results will probably tell us more about the judges than anything else.
personally,If I want to get an expert opinion,on how to make a fruit cake,I would go to someone,who I know makes delicious fruit cakes.
[imo]there are a lot of people who have got themselves in to influential positions in the UK folk music industry, who know very little about folk music,and even less about traditional music or source singers.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: GUEST,BassmanD
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 06:14 PM

Says at the front of this forum something about the preservation of Folk music... Is that why so many posters object to musicians who dare to move the genre forward and make it relevant to real people??
Richly deserved congrats to SOH for long overdue recognition.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Folknacious
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 06:52 PM

there are a lot of people who have got themselves in to influential positions in the UK folk music industry, who know very little about folk music,and even less about traditional music or source singers.

Since there are "a lot", please give us all the benefit of a list of who (iyo) some of these people might be?


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Feb 10 - 10:17 AM

No, I am not prepared to do that on a public forum.
I am nevertheless entitled to an opinion.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 03 Feb 10 - 10:34 AM

Course you are! Trouble is, we can't share it or make our own judgement without knowing who you are talking about. Howver, I respect your decision not to name names if you don't feel comfortable with it.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Folkiedave
Date: 03 Feb 10 - 10:38 AM

The problem is as well Dick - and here I have regaled constantly against this including taking the BBC to the Information Commissioner - we don't know who the judges are.

So we can't judge how much they know.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: GUEST,Captain Jack Sparrow
Date: 03 Feb 10 - 11:01 AM

This new maths of theirs has quite done me poor head in, now all me pieces of eight have become pieces of seven.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 03 Feb 10 - 11:26 AM

If you're looking for fruit-cakes, there's no shortage of them.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: JohnB
Date: 03 Feb 10 - 11:39 AM

As John Cleese ends the Michealangelo and the Pope sketch.
"I don't know much about Art but I know what I like"
JohnB.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: evansakes
Date: 03 Feb 10 - 12:02 PM

Folkiedave said

"we don't know who the judges are.
So we can't judge how much they know"

I wonder who will have the knowledge to be the judge of Folkiedave's judgement on the knowledge of the judges.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Folkiedave
Date: 03 Feb 10 - 12:27 PM

Wouldn't dream of commenting on the knowledge of the judges (like Dick suggested).

But since they don't know the difference between a traditional song and one written in the last couple of years, and the differnce between a duo and a trio - I do have my doubts!!


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 03 Feb 10 - 12:28 PM

Quite.

And John Boden -best singer? Now I like John Boden he is very gifted in many ways, but best singer is is not.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: GUEST,Captain Jack Sparrow
Date: 03 Feb 10 - 01:25 PM

I could have been a judge, but I never had the maths for the judgin'. I never had it, so I'd had it, as far as being a judge was concerned. They said "what's 2+1?" and I said 3, but they said that wouldn't do because in their system it's 2.

I managed to get through the pirating exams - they're not very rigorous, they only ask you one question, they say 'Who are you?' and I got seventy-five per cent on that."


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Folkiedave
Date: 03 Feb 10 - 05:20 PM

Now I like John Boden he is very gifted in many ways, but best singer is is not.

He even spells his name Jon.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Silas
Date: 03 Feb 10 - 05:35 PM

Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 03 Feb 10 - 07:23 PM

Now then... one of the reasons Jon Boden is about the best male singer in folk right now is precisely because he doesn't bother trying to sound like anyone except Jon Boden. That alone is worth the prize.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: GUEST,Mark Stevens
Date: 03 Feb 10 - 09:23 PM

Tonight's Radio 2 broadcast:

The show seemed to be riddled with performers expressing their bigoted Left-wing self righteous Political bias.. I switched my radio off after 12 minutes.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: EnglishFolkfan
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 02:44 AM

The annual argument regarding the duality of SoH on the BBC Radio 2 Folk and Acoustic Message Board prompted me to post the following comment there this week:


On BBC Radio Devon 31Jan10 on Jim Causley's Devon Folk - 1hr 35 mins in and Steve Knightly announced that Show of Hands were actually a Trio and not a Duo .........

"musically and as an entity we are a very much a Trio"

BBC iPlayer Jim Causley's Devon Folk 31Jan2010

Will BBC Radio 2 please take note of that fact when accepting submissions for the 2011 Folk Awards?


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 03:13 AM

I hate to think how eaten up Guest: Mark Stevens would have been if he'd seen the dozens and dozens of Folk Against Fascism t-shirts and badges being worn by the attendees, including many of the winners and presenters.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Folkiedave
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 04:53 AM

Good for you Joanie.

The right-wing have no problems spouting their views at every opportunity. Look at the media power of Rupert Murdoch. The occasional opportunity to put forward a left-wing point of view is one not to be missed.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Silas
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 05:47 AM

"Now then... one of the reasons Jon Boden is about the best male singer in folk right now is precisely because he doesn't bother trying to sound like anyone except Jon Boden. That alone is worth the prize."

Ahhh, I see. So you don't actually need to be able to sing well at all to be voted 'Best Singer'.

I see.

Are you one of the judges by any chance?


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: GUEST,Voter
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 06:03 AM

I will remain nameless but i voted and it is a very open voting system but IS based on your knowledge of the folk releases/gigs of the year.
If you only read the press and don't get out there and see the bands then you might be swayed by others or just be lazy.

A lot of the people i voted for didn't win or were not nominated, others did.

My decisions were based on who i had seen live that year and who's albums i had listened too.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 06:31 AM

"Not trying to sound like anyone else" is not the same as not being able to sing well!


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 07:41 AM

Silas:Ahhh, I see. So you don't actually need to be able to sing well at all to be voted 'Best Singer'

1. What Suegorgeous said.
2. Rather someone who is passionate and idiosyncratic (but not necessarily technically perfect) than someone who is technically brilliant but lacking in verve, soul and passion. Jon B puts heart and soul into his performances and it shows. Anyway, as a lover of those old recording of traditional singers, I've never held technical ability alone to be that important. Inhabiting the song and and putting it across like you truly believe in it counts for far more...
3. "Best" is purely in the ear of the beholder. Attempts to define objective standards are doomed to failure. Hooray!

Silas: Are you one of the judges by any chance?   

Are you 'aving a laff? No, I'm just a lowly mortal with a heartfelt desire to listen to folk music that cannot be categorised as polite, bland or anodyne. Bring on the folk-brut revival!


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: GUEST,Spleen Cringe
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 07:41 AM

Me above sans cookie.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Folkiedave
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 07:43 AM

Jon Boden is a great singer.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Silas
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 07:45 AM

Well, as I said earlier, I like JON Boden, I know he is passionate about his music, but so are most people at his level in the profession. The problem is, if you are going to have these awards, is that by giving the award to someone who, with the best will in the world, is not the best singer, you deprive a more worthy candidate from a more deserved prize.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: GUEST,Henryp
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 07:55 AM

I'd like to see artists restricted to one award each year.

I'd also like the winner of an award to be excluded from consideration in next year's competition.

Hopefully, this would spread the titles round a bit more.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 08:47 AM

"someone who, with the best will in the world, is not the best singer"
Crumbs, I hope that nobody tells the 60+people who have already paid for tickets to see Jon at our place on Sunday night.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Folkiedave
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 09:22 AM

Been packing out venues for about eight years. And will continue to do so IMHO for as long as he wants to.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Silas
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 12:37 PM

Jeeze.

I said he was not the best singer - do you seriously think he is? I'm sure he doesn't! I could easily name you ten male singer who are better. That does not mean he is no good,far from it, he is brilliant, but let's not kid ourselves, he is not the best.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: GUEST,Tom Bliss
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 01:45 PM

Silas, you may be focusing on the 'singing' part of the title too much.

I personally think Jon IS a truly fantastic singer, if not to everyone's taste (but you can't please all of the people..).

His timbre, delivery, expression and originality combine to powerful effect, and he always delivers his chosen material brilliantly (what other definition of great singing is there)?

It's not bel canto, but the adjective might be clue here.

My interpretation of the award, however, is that it's not about vocal technique.

It's about being a 'folk singer,' as in the job description - all of it.

No folk singer has delivered more than Jon in the last twelve months - his workload has been prodigious (terrifying, actually) and he's made a lot of good new things happen, and happen extremely effectively.

He IS at least best equal best folk singer at the moment (and after 'best equal,' in a game like this it has to be a lottery, naturally).

I'll vote for that.

(Jon, you can leave the used fivers in the normal place ;-)


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: GUEST,Jeeze
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 02:21 PM

Just curious who your "ten male singer who are better" would be?


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: SunrayFC
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 02:38 PM

Frankly I don't get all this.

It's like saying "I voted conservative- how come we got a labour government?"

The judges whoever they are, are the judges. The reasons they choose who they choose are known to them and them only.

I bet if any one of the above won an award the tune would change.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 02:47 PM

I would refuse such an award.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 03:10 PM

"I said he was not the best singer - do you seriously think he is? I'm sure he doesn't! I could easily name you ten male singer who are better. That does not mean he is no good,far from it, he is brilliant, but let's not kid ourselves, he is not the best"

Actually, the title is not the "best" folk dinger; it's "Folk Singer of the Year". As Tom says, Jon Boden has done huge amounts this year. He has worked with Bellowhead, Spiers and Boden and the Remnant Kings - each delivering material that is fresh, timely and important. His work continues to draw in legions of non-folkies, not least among them Martin Green, who is Head of the 2012 Olympic Opening Ceremonies. As far as I know, Bellowhead is pretty much the only folk band that is really on his radar, and they are probably our best hope for getting any representation of folk into the Olympic Opening Ceremonies. It may not happen at all, but if it does, it's because Bellowhead register on the radar beyond the folk world in a way that 95% of folk bands do not.

And apart from that, Jon is a wonderful proponent of traditional music and a damn fine singer.

So, for all of these reasons, I am proud to have voted for him.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 03:30 PM

...and to top it all, he's an out-and-proud Bellamist. Good man!


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Folkiedave
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 04:13 PM

Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Ruth Archer - PM
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 03:10 PM


What she said!!


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 07:59 AM

OK - I give in.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 08:29 AM

"Bring on the folk-brut revival!"
Hi Karate?
Well done all the winners,
Will see some of you in the pub later.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 08:53 AM

'es a good lad that Jon Boden, fully deserves his awards.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: GUEST,Mark Stevens
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 09:41 PM

dear Ruth 'ooooh-noo!' Archer,

As I've implied before somewhere; I don't really bother much with Folkies or Folk Clubs nowadays, I found them too clicky, boring [Borfolk indeed..] and insular.
So the wearing of FAF (sic) tee-shirts doesn't really bother me. I've never seen anyone at my local pub(s) or Waitrose/Sainsburys/UKIP Member managed farmshop wearing one ..?


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 09:33 AM

Mark "BNP member" Stevens, it's hardly surprising that FAF as a movement is not something which attracts your support.


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Subject: RE: Folk Awards - Best Duo
From: GUEST,Mark Stevens
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 08:23 PM

Ruth "oooh-noooo!" Archer,

Yep.


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