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Lyr Req: Lyda Southard's Famous Apple Pie

anasophia 13 Feb 10 - 06:15 PM
Jim Dixon 15 Feb 10 - 02:00 AM
cetmst 15 Feb 10 - 06:18 AM
Jim Dixon 16 Feb 10 - 10:15 AM
GUEST,999 16 Feb 10 - 07:04 PM
GUEST,999 16 Feb 10 - 07:13 PM
GUEST,999 16 Feb 10 - 09:27 PM
Joe Offer 17 Feb 10 - 04:17 AM
GUEST,Lisa Ostrem 02 Oct 12 - 12:03 PM
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Subject: Lyr Req: Lyda Saffer's Apple Pie?
From: anasophia
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 06:15 PM

I have a partial recording of this song from a Garrison Keillor show years and years ago, and have not been able to find the first verses anywhere. I've checked the Prairie Home Companion Website but it's definitely from before the time they started putting shows up on the website.

It's a great murder ballad with a wonderful lilting celtic-ish tune and I'd love to be able to find the rest of it!

The last 3 verses are:

She sprinkled it with cinnamon, a bit of allspice too
She sprinkled it with arsenic, a tasty devil's brew.
A tasty devil's brew and ne'er forgot will be,
For, Lyda Saffer's apple pie, men lay them down to die.

When they arrested Lyda, she began to cry,
It was just dessert she murmured, I never thought they'd die.
I never thought they'd die, I never thought they'd die,
It was just dessert she murmured, I never thought they'd die.

Now Lyda's got her just desserts, she's in the jailhouse strong.
Her pie crust it was short and sweet, her sentence it was long.
Her sentence it was long and ne'er forgot will be
For, Lyda Saffer's apple pie, men lay them down to die.


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Subject: Lyr Req: Lyda Saffer's Apple Pie?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 02:00 AM

Information gathered from several web sites:

I believe the song you want is LYDA SOUTHARD'S FAMOUS APPLE PIE.

The tune is ANNIE LAURIE.

The song begins:

"Oh, Twin Falls farms are bonnie in the middle of July,
And 'twas there that Lyda Southard baked her famous apple pie."

The song may be found in the book Way Out in Idaho: A Celebration of Songs and Stories by Rosalie Sorrels (Lewiston, Ida.: Confluence Press, 1991), page 184.

Lyda Southard was a real person. Some information about her can be found at the website called The Cabinet: Dark Destinations.

A longer article can be found beginning on page 3 of The Idaho Legal History Society newsletter, Vol. 2, Issue 1, January, 2010. Click for a PDF file.

I could not find any recordings or a complete set of lyrics.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lyda Saffer's Apple Pie?
From: cetmst
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 06:18 AM

Recorded from the Prairie Home Companion program, sung by Rosalie Sorrels (Did she write it?). First verse:

O Twin Falls farms are bonnie in the middle of July,
And 'twas there that Lyda Southard baked her famous apple pie.
Her famous apple pie, and ne'er forgot will be
And for Lyda Southard's apple pie, men would lay them doon to dee.

Remaining verses as above


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lyda Saffer's Apple Pie?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 16 Feb 10 - 10:15 AM

No, I'm rather sure Rosalie Sorrels didn't write LYDA SOUTHARD'S FAMOUS APPLE PIE. Somewhere I read that it was written around the time of Lyda Southard's trial, which was in 1925.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lyda Saffer's Apple Pie?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 16 Feb 10 - 07:04 PM

"Lydia [sic] Southard's Famous Apple Pie (unknown songwriter, ca. 1921) This song is about Lyda Southard, the infamous "Lady Blackbeard" of Idaho who poisoned at least four husbands with her apple pies laced with arsenic. Her sensational murder trial in Twin Falls, Idaho was in 1921. The song likely dates to that year. Lyrics appeared in WOII with the note "Folksong sung to the tune of "Annie Laurie"." First lines of verse:
Oh, Twin Falls farms are bonnie in the middle of July,
And 'twas there that Lyda Southard baked her famous apple pie."


Good bio here (on p.3).

And another here just under 1/2 way down.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lyda Saffer's Apple Pie?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 16 Feb 10 - 07:13 PM

Picture of Lyda Southard. The kinda gal ya bring home to mother.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lyda Saffer's Apple Pie?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 16 Feb 10 - 09:27 PM

Probably a good idea to have a title change ??


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Subject: RE: Req:Lyda Saffer's/Lyda Southard's Famous Apple Pie
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Feb 10 - 04:17 AM

Here's the story from the Indiana Paranormal Society - why are they writing about Twin Falls, Idaho? Gee, and to think I drove right past that cemetery a few years ago - and I toured the prison where Ida lived.
Say, does anybody have the Sorrels songbook and can you post the complete lyrics?
-Joe-

    Information
    Sunset Memorial Park
    This Twin Falls cemetery dates back to 1937 when it began accepting its first burials. Since then, it has been the site of over 14,000 interments and continues to serve as the final resting place of many residents of Twin Falls, Idaho and surrounding areas. Among the many buried within, there is one name that has a relatively scandalous place in the history of the state of Idaho.

    Anna E. Shaw
    Sunset Memorial Park is the final resting place for one of Idaho's most notorious murderers. Anna E. Shaw is perhaps better known as Lyda Southard (Lyda Anna Mae Trueblood was her birth name) or "Idaho's Lady Bluebeard." Southard was convicted of poisoning her fourth husband, Edward F. Meyer, with arsenic that she had extracted by boiling flypaper and serving it to him in food. She was incarcerated for the crime in the Old Idaho Penitentiary between the years of 1921 and 1941. Though Meyer is the only death for which she was convicted, she was believed to be responsible for many more.

    The story of Lyda Southard truly began on March 17, 1912 when she married Twin Falls-resident, Robert C. Dooley, at the age of 19. She moved to Dooley's ranch where she lived with her husband and his brother, Edward. Soon afterwards, Lyda gave birth to a daughter, whom they named Lorraine, but the baby only lived for a short time. Brother-in-law, Edward would join her rather suddenly when he succumbed to what was believed to be ptomaine poisoning. On October 12, 1915, Robert too passed away and his death was attributed to typhoid fever.

    The relatively short marriage would turn out to be much longer than the next two. By June 1917, Lyda had remarried and had relocated to Hardin, Montana. Her second husband was a man by the name of William G. McHaffle. The couple was married for over a year until October 1, 1918 when William suddenly passed away. The death certificate put the cause of death as influenza and diphtheria. By March 1919, Lyda had married yet again, this time to Billings-resident, Harlan C. Lewis. By July, Harlan was dead. His cause of death was listed as gastroenteritis.

    After the death of Harlan Lewis, Lyda moved back to Pocatello, Idaho where she met a ranch foreman by the name of Edward F. Meyer. They were married in August 1920, but by September 7, 1920, Edward was dead - again reportedly of typhoid fever. Interestingly enough, another ranch hand also became ill around the same time, but managed to recover following Edward's death.

    Now a widow for the fourth time, the authorities grew suspicious. Each of the husbands had taken out life insurance policies that listed Lyda as the direct beneficiary and the amount paid out seemed to grow which each death. Lyda and first husband, Robert, had even collected from a policy on her brother-in-law, Edward. With motive in-hand, the authorities exhumed the body of Ed Meyer and found a lethal amount of arsenic in his system. A warrant was immediately issued but Lyda had fled town. The bodies of her other three husbands, brother-in-law, and daughter were all quickly exhumed as well. While traces of arsenic were found in some, the excellent state of preservation of the bodies led the authorities to suspect arsenic poisoning in all.

    Lyda was finally tracked down in Honolulu, Hawaii where she had already married for a fifth time. However, Petty Officer Paul Vincent Southard was still alive and insistent that his wife was innocent. Nevertheless, the now-legally named Lyda Southard was returned to Idaho to face trial for the murder of Edward Meyer. On November 4, 1921, a jury returned a guilty verdict of second-degree murder and Lyda was subsequently sentenced to the Old Idaho Penitentiary for ten years to life. However, her story was not over.

    Ten years after she had first entered the prison, she escaped by prying the bars loose on her cell's window and climbing down a rope fashioned together with bed sheets. With the assistance of a male inmate that had been released only three weeks prior, she fled the prison and the state of Idaho. The couple were later tracked to Denver, Colorado where Lyda had unceremoniously dumped the man that aided in her escape, and had married for a sixth time. After reading her accomplice had been arrested, Lyda left her new husband and fled to Topeka, Kansas. The husband, Harry Whitlock, was shocked to hear about her past, as she had just convinced him to take out his own life insurance policy. With his assistance, Lyda was recaptured in Topeka and transported back to the prison.

    Even then, her story was not over. A minor scandal broke out when a local newspaper uncovered special favors that had been granted to Lyda by the current warden, who subsequently resigned. Lyda was officially released on October 3, 1941 and, after a short stay with her sister in Oregon, she returned to Twin Falls and married for a seventh time to Hal Shaw. According to accounts, the seventh husband disappeared without a trace within two years. Lyda ultimately settled in Salt Lake City where she passed away from a heart attack on February 5, 1958. Her body was brought back to Twin Falls and buried in Sunset Memorial Park in Lot 441 of the Pinehurst Gardens under the name Anna E. Shaw.

    Her story was the focus of the 1994 novel, Lady Bluebeard: The True Story of Love and Marriage, Death and Flypaper, by author William C. Anderson. It was also given the murder ballad treatment with the ironically titled, Lyda Southard's Famous Apple Pie (believed to be how she delivered the poison in at least some of the cases). The song appears in the compilation of ballads, Way Out in Idaho: A Celebration of Songs and Stories, compiled by author Rosalie Sorrels.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lyda Southard's Famous Apple Pie
From: GUEST,Lisa Ostrem
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 12:03 PM

I,too,have been serching for this and have tried the Garrison Kieler's website. The woman who sang it had said that her father would sing this in the barn to his cows as he milked.Really wud like to get the recording in it's entirety.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lyda Southard's Famous Apple Pie
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 12:49 PM

It looks as if the lyrics are contained in the book "Lady Bluebeard: The True Story of Love and Marriage, Death and Flypaper" – "A biographical novel on the life of Lyda Southard, serial killer from Idaho" by William C. Anderson (Boulder, CO: Fred Pruett Books, 1994), page 5.

A search for several phrases from the lyrics turns up this book at Google Books, but the full lyrics are not viewable, because the book is under copyright.

Worldcat.org might show you where you can find the book in a library, but alas, the nearest one is 500 miles away from me.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lyda Southard's Famous Apple Pie
From: open mike
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 01:32 PM

This time of year there are often Apple Festivals...we have Johnny Appleseed Days coming up next weekend near here. I have been putting together a play list of apple related songs...and this one needs to be included!! Alas, my copy of "Way Out in Idaho: A Celebration of Songs and Stories" by Rosalie Sorrels was destroyed in a fire. What a great collection and project by Rosalie!!

I will keep looking for more info on this song...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lyda Southard's Famous Apple Pie
From: open mike
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 01:46 PM

here is our own Jed Marum playing and singing Annie Laurie .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Dhgju7b5kg


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lyda Southard's Famous Apple Pie
From: GUEST,999
Date: 02 Oct 12 - 05:53 PM

You can hear it sung here. "LSFAP"


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