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BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??

Joe Offer 28 Jul 11 - 05:48 PM
Greg F. 28 Jul 11 - 05:43 PM
John P 28 Jul 11 - 05:37 PM
Jack the Sailor 28 Jul 11 - 03:24 PM
Bobert 28 Jul 11 - 03:00 PM
Jack the Sailor 28 Jul 11 - 02:54 PM
Don Firth 28 Jul 11 - 02:48 PM
Jack the Sailor 28 Jul 11 - 02:37 PM
Don Firth 28 Jul 11 - 02:26 PM
Jack the Sailor 28 Jul 11 - 02:07 PM
Don Firth 28 Jul 11 - 02:04 PM
Donuel 28 Jul 11 - 12:13 PM
Donuel 28 Jul 11 - 12:04 PM
Bobert 28 Jul 11 - 08:07 AM
Jack the Sailor 28 Jul 11 - 07:52 AM
Joe Offer 28 Jul 11 - 03:42 AM
Sawzaw 28 Jul 11 - 03:39 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 28 Jul 11 - 12:40 AM
Sawzaw 28 Jul 11 - 12:38 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 27 Jul 11 - 11:37 PM
Bobert 27 Jul 11 - 10:30 PM
Don Firth 27 Jul 11 - 10:29 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 27 Jul 11 - 10:07 PM
Don Firth 27 Jul 11 - 09:50 PM
Bobert 27 Jul 11 - 09:00 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 27 Jul 11 - 08:47 PM
Bobert 27 Jul 11 - 07:22 PM
John P 27 Jul 11 - 06:15 PM
Bobert 27 Jul 11 - 04:39 PM
Don Firth 27 Jul 11 - 04:35 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 27 Jul 11 - 03:19 PM
Sawzaw 27 Jul 11 - 02:46 PM
Don Firth 27 Jul 11 - 02:42 PM
Jack the Sailor 27 Jul 11 - 01:41 PM
Sawzaw 27 Jul 11 - 01:19 PM
Bobert 27 Jul 11 - 01:15 PM
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John P 27 Jul 11 - 09:52 AM
Bobert 27 Jul 11 - 09:40 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 27 Jul 11 - 04:04 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 05:48 PM

OK. It looks like the consensus is that the thread should be closed. If you start another thread on the Tea Party, that's fine with me. HOWEVER, it would be nice if the thread were started on a less-biased tone with a less-biased title so that everyone at least starts out on somewhat equal footing.
I hereby declare this thread CLOSED.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 05:43 PM

I'm still searching for anyone who agrees with the goals and methodology of the Tea Party and is willing to have a real debate of the issues.

I wish you luck.

You can't get your questions answered because the TeaBaggers are a collection of ignorant sods who don't have the least idea what they are talking about.

Reference many a TeaBagger spouting off about what the Constitition and/or The Federalist Papers say and upon being asked if they'd read either having to admit they had not.

These people operate in a totally fact-free environment. If forced to operate on a level other than bumper-sticker slogans or hate-jock lies, they're lost.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: John P
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 05:37 PM

I'm still searching for anyone who agrees with the goals and methodology of the Tea Party and is willing to have a real debate of the issues. All I ever seem to get are slogan-like one-liners like "We must have freedom" or "We must take back our country" or "We have to stop the financial madness", and there the conversation stops.

Can anyone help me, please? What does freedom mean to a Tea Party sympathizer? How has our country been taken away from us? How is messing with our credit rating and starting a depression not financial madness? The problem is that I can't seem to get even these first questions answered, much less the next 10 or so that will naturally arise.

Governing is more than holding to ideals -- it is learning everything there is to know about what happens next and then making rational decisions based on what is best for the country. I don't see the Tea Party doing that.

Risking a world-wide depression and the savings of everyone in the country is economic terrorism. Denying civil rights to minorities is political terrorism. Inserting religious ideals into our laws is an attempt to overthrow the Constitution and is religious terrorism. Showing up at town hall meetings with guns and angry words is physical terrorism. I'd love to hear someone refute those statements with honest opinions and some form of logic. Then I'd like to have a real discussion on the subject. That requires thoughtful responses and a willingness to discuss the nuances of the issues. Anyone game?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 03:24 PM

Or You could stop sparring too.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 03:00 PM

As the originator of this thread I have PM'd Joe about closing it... It has run its course... Everything has been said already... The Sawz/GfinS circle jerk has become as predictable as it is boring...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 02:54 PM

"even if they claim that my lack of response indicates that I agree or that do not have a response"

I think that anyone who says such a thing can be considered to be trolling.

A constructive discussion means offering considered opinions. Not tossing out turds and demanding that turds be tossed back.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 02:48 PM

You're absolutely right, Jack. Point taken.

Let me go on record at this point as saying that if I do not respond to personal attacks and insults from GfS or Sawzaw or anyone else, this is not to be construed as agreement (even if they claim that my lack of response indicates that I agree or that do not have a response). I merely regard their remarks, unless civilly presented, as unworthy of response.

Okay?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 02:37 PM

You allow GfS and Sawzaw to dominate the discussion by replying to their crap and talking about them personally. Yes, I have done it too. Lets declare a moratorium on talking directly to or about either of them. Answer the points once and move on.

I looked through this page of this thread and I could not see anything but personal attacks by either of them. Answering that is just troll feeding.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 02:26 PM

Jack, I endeavor to make my discussion points civilly and clearly. If someone insists on not addressing the points I'm trying to make, but feels he can refute or neutralize what I have said by calling me an "asshole," well, I don't think it is ME who is rendering the disussion irrational.

In live meetings of, say, the City Council, people who indulge in this kind of "debate" are usually ejected from the meeting.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 02:07 PM

"People like Guest from Sanity and Sawzaw make it impossible for others to have a rational discussion."

But yet the discussion continues. Don Firth are you having an irrational discussion? If so, why? The constant slagging is making it impossible to discuss an important topic.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 02:04 PM

People like Guest from Sanity and Sawzaw make it impossible for others to have a rational discussion. If anyone disagrees with their viewpoint, rather than trying to present evidence and engage in a civil debate, they immediately resort to insults and name-calling.

In the case of Guest from Sanity in particular, he has contradicted himself on a number of occasions, and when it is pointed out to him, he insists that he did not, sometimes claiming that others (me in particular) have been posting in his name, and proceeds to attack the person and calls him or her a "liar"—even after the posts in which he did this are cited.

And lately, he has been stalking me, and essentially engaging in attempts at character assassination.

In my opinion, this thread has passed its "sell-by" date and should be closed.

Also, Guest from Sanity's posts, past and future, should be carefully monitored for insults and personal attacks and appropriate action taken.

I would also request that MY posts be carefully monitored for the same thing. It will be noted that I do not call people things like "asshole," or make up insulting and offensive epithets like "Bagdad Bob" or "Propaganda Minister Firth."

Joe? Are you there?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 12:13 PM

The wounded and dying brand of Republicanism in 2008 was hoping to rename themselves and emerge anew from the ashes when they embraced the Tea Party from many angles including Dick Army's lobby group, the Koch Bros when they were talked into it later, and from the more authentic grass root people who were really upset from the crash. Then religious fundamentalists tried it on for size and then the Citizens United case allowed millions to be poured into Tea Party candidate campaigns.

They did not even know who they were paying in many cases. They won 87 seats.

Republicans just thought aha, we have both a new name and an excited base again. It didn;t turn out that way. Over half of the new members are patheticly ignorant. Republicans are already rueing the day.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 12:04 PM

Does anyone have a cure for virulent cases of lonely cynicism?

It seems to have developed a resistence to hope and love.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 08:07 AM

I opened this thread but it has degenerated into a Sawz & GfinS's circle jerk...

You have my blessing to pull the plug on their ballgames, Joe!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 07:52 AM

Close it.

Please.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 03:42 AM

Well, you know, I think you've all lightened up since I asked, but I'm still getting requests to close the thread. Should I close the thread and give all you guys with the stale testosterone a chance of a new start, or will you all just pretend to like each other even though you disagree? I know you really do like each other....more or less.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 03:39 AM

The "other guy" does not present any facts, just anti social personal attacks. The trademark of people with no facts to present because they are incapable of dialogue.

Every personal attack reveals his level of intelligence.

The M.O. of the "other guy": Ritual Defamation is used to hurt, to intimidate, to destroy, and to persecute, and to avoid the dialogue, debate and discussion upon which a free society depends. On those grounds it must be opposed no matter who tries to justify its use.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 12:40 AM

Sawzaw: "But that is your right. Just do on proving you can't support any of your claims with facts."

Duhhh!!! Same with the other guy, too!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 28 Jul 11 - 12:38 AM

"Dick Armey and the Koch brothers have spent hundreds of millions of $$$"

Whose figures Bobert??? Right wing bloggers???

How much has Soros spent???

"we need to destroy the Tea Party" Now Bobert reveals his true agenda, Destroy. He is telling people they need to destroy a group, People that think different from him.

How Bobert? Is that why you tell people to "buy guns, lots of ammo and learn to shoot straight and learn to shoot straight"?

"full time paid rightie bloggers... I'd have to have what they are: a staff of 100 or 500..."

Who are they Bobert?

You claim you don't have to prove anything but everybody else needs to, One set of rules for you and another set for others.

I answer your questions but you are to pious to answer mine. You would rather just call me names and make personal attacks than produce any facts to back up your claims.

But that is your right. Just do on proving you can't support any of your claims with facts.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 11:37 PM

You just keep making my point!!!
Laughing my ass off!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 10:30 PM

Getting into a pissing contest with the right winged bloggers statisticians is like beating your head on a wall becaause it feels so good when you stop...

I will not play on your terms...

If you don't like what I post then disprove it with sources that are credible... Have you ever been to the GAO website, GfinS??? There are tens of thousand of things to read and if you have a paid job to go thru those thousands of pages and twist and twist that what you are going to get is something other than the truth...

No offense, but if you would spend less time here pontificating about nothing and spend more time learning basic economics and American & World history it would be more meaningful...

Like, for starters... What does "freedom" mean??? What does "liberty" mean"??? How is the GNP figured??? Now many tax cuts have the rich gotten since 1955??? What does "regressive tax" mean??? Is a flat tax a "regressive tax??? Does freedom have anything to do with a woman's choice to carry unwanted pregancies even if the result of rape??? ''

Sorry, but no more ballgames??? No more trying to get this ol' hillbilly into a facts check with full time paid rightie bloggers... I'd have to have what they are: a staff of 100 or 500...

Any of ya'll want to swear off that bullshit "stats/prove-it games" and talk about policies - not Tea Party and right winged bullshit but policies down to nuts and bolts and reasons for this and not for that kinda stuff, you know, the boring stuff) then bring it on... I am a policy weenie... We can do this...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 10:29 PM

You'll have to forgive GfS. He had a hard childhood. You see, he didn't have a mother. In fact, he was not actually born.

He was let.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 10:07 PM

Well From what I've seen, and experienced, you made a lot of unsubstantiated statements yourself...and all people are trying to do is to get you to back them up..any of them, but you just ignored the calls to provide any truth to your partisan rantings...which you still have not done...except about how your 90 year old mother re-acted, in her walker when she went to a Tea Party rally...and who knows if that was true or not..who knows??..its only what you allege! Don gets up and posts a bold face lie, and when asked numerous times to back it up and provide the link to the post, that he alleged that I said, he couldn't, or wouldn't do it, as well....and you say WHO is the terrorist organization??????
You're just two peas in a pod. So excuse me, if you gathered the re-action and reputation you got...you WORKED at it!..
..as for me, I don't give a rat's ass.....but I got you two clocked!
Fair enough??....or should we get our knickers in a twist when the 'Republicans' or Tea Partiers preach lies.....you should be immuned!..in fact, as far as it looks, I have to seriously question your sincerity about almost everything you say politically....Little Hawk, cut you a little slack, when he said he thought you had sincere intentions...but that is 'out the door'. How can you take pride and honor, by NOT taking a stand for truth???...and/or siding on the side of an old fart who, as you know, was lying through his teeth??? This is what you stand for??.....Don't even try pumping up your corrupt party affiliations. It's all out front now!!!
I'm not even offended, but rather, validated.
Sorry and disappointed about you sorry two!...but then, I knew it all along!...You guys just helped me confirm EXACTLY what needed to be confirmed.
Now, whenever you think you're making a point, all that is needed to blow you out of the water, is to refer back to this event!...being as you don't provide anything to back up what you spout off about, as well!
Have a pleasant evening...sociopaths do what they do, without any conscience...to bug them about their actions...Don's hasn't for a LONG time!!!

Honestly,

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 09:50 PM

Amazing! Still barking!

Ain't he just the cutest little thing?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 09:00 PM

Yeah, it's always been about attacking Bobert!!!

That's all you have...

Every time I try to talk policy you attack me... I have quit trying to have a rational conversation with either you or Sawz... All I get back is attack, attack, attack...

Sawz stalked me from one web site to another and went way out of his way to attack, attack, attack...

Screw ya'll... You wanta talk policy then talk policy... You wanta play attack Bobert, forget it...

Homie had enough of that ballgame... Way too much!!!

Get lives!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 08:47 PM

I'm NOT interested in your deceptions and self willed ignorance!..nor your smear and slur tactics, because you never had a 'fact' in the first place..you know it, I know it...and the rest are just being 'polite'.

Sawzaw was absolutely correct, like it or not when he posted, "It's important to recognize and identify the patterns of a ritual defamation. Like all propaganda and disinformation campaigns it is accomplished primarily through the manipulation of words and symbols. It is not used to persuade, but to punish. Although it may have cognitive elements, its thrust is primarily emotional. Ritual Defamation is used to hurt, to intimidate, to destroy, and to persecute, and to avoid the dialogue, debate and discussion upon which a free society depends. On those grounds it must be opposed no matter who tries to justify its use.

An important rule in ritual defamation is to avoid engaging in any kind of debate over the truthfulness or reasonableness of what has been expressed, only condemn it. To debate opens the issue up for examination and discussion of its merits, and to consider the evidence that may support it, which is just what the ritual defamer is trying to avoid. The primary goal of a ritual defamation is censorship and repression."

If you think this is 'representative' of 'so-called liberal' ideology, and methodology, you might need to refresh your understanding of 'Corrupt'.
..and if you wish to 'congratulate' yourselves, for lying, be my guest. You only add more insult to you banal, and childish behavior...and Frankly, I don't give a damn....but you will hear more about this.......


Other than that, there is nothing to say to you, or your ilk!
I am surprised, and disappointed in Joe for not calling you on your libelous remarks!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 07:22 PM

Forget it John...

You are way over GfinS's pay grade... She has no idea what "freedom" or "liberty" means...

These folks just want their country back...

Which country is it that they want back is the real question...

The 1959 country before the Civil Right Act or...

...the 1919 country before unions or...

...the 1859 country when slavery was still legal???

I mean, they are clueless about American History in general and ignorant of the meaning of the words that Dick Armey and the Koch brothers have spent hundreds of millions of $$$ to stick in their little heads...

Square business...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: John P
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 06:15 PM

Sigh . . . will you folks PLEASE stop talking about each other and start talking about the issues at hand?

Trying again:

GfS, you should know by now that quotes from a blogger who is a self-avowed Libertarian aren't going to carry much weight outside the extreme right-wing fringe. Not that I disagreed with everything he was saying, but that someone with such an obvious bias isn't a good place to go for real news. I'm WAY more interested in what you think than in what some Libertarian blogger thinks.

That being said, I'd like to draw your attention to the first sentence of the article you linked to:

For a people to be free, they must first be honest with themselves, their government, and the world at large.

I'm glad you want to get back to talking about freedom, and apparently want to approach the subject honestly. I'm unclear, however, on exactly what you mean when you talk about freedom. Can you spell out some the freedoms you want us all to have, which ones you only want some of us to have, and which ones no one should have?

Do you believe that all freedoms enjoyed by Americans should be delineated by the Constitution? Do you believe the Constitution should be amended to fit modern times, should be interpreted with an understanding that the world has changed and that the concepts are more important than the actual words, or that it should be left as is and interpreted literally?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 04:39 PM

Mean while, the Tea Party continues the work that Osama bin Laden started in trying to destroy the American economy...

I keep reading that al qeada is close to being destroyed... Great, when we finish that job we need to destroy the Tea Party next and save America for real Americans who want the country to succeed rather than the crooks who just want to poison its water, pollute its air, steal even more $$$ from the working class and kill as many American jobs as they can in an attempt to turn America into their own little Afghanistan with the Koch brothers and Dick Armey being Taliban war lords...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 04:35 PM

Kind of like the little kid with crumbs all over his face and his pockets stuffed with cookies insisting on his innocence and accusing his imaginary friend of raiding the cookie jar. It would be funny if it weren't so downright dumb.

Unbelievable! Catch GfS in a lie multiple times and he just keeps right on lying, trying to cover the original lie(s), while in the meantime, accusing those who exposed him (again and again) of being the ones who are lying.

Didn't somebody once say that "The definition of insanity is when someone keeps repeating the same behavior, while, each time expecting a different result?"

Since it's obvious to all—except, apparently, to him/her/it—I will waste no further time.

And, of course, it will crow that I've left the field because it routed me. Guaranteed.

Not unlike the yappy little Yorkshire terrier I described earlier. As I said, I didn't run over it because I do tend to be kind and tolerant of dumb animals—even when they keep snarling and barking as if they want to tear my leg off (from the safety of being held tightly in their owner's arms). Actually, if you can avoid getting annoyed with them, their antics can really be quite amusing.

But it can get pretty silly after a bit.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 03:19 PM

The difference though, is that the post you posted of mine, is true..unlike your other assertion that you could not, can not, and therefore won't be validating.
As far as I'm concerned, ANYONE who knowingly fabricates, a false assertion, such as you have, and continue to do, isn't worth the time of day! Those who knowingly support that kind of bad behavior, and supports know lies, is probably unreliable, when it comes to 'political' dogmas, as well!
You have done a magnificent job of discrediting yourself...I couldn't have done better!!!

Now onto your next deception???..Please note: ONLY moronic simpletons, will believe and promote your antics!!

But I'm quite sure you're well practiced at this...just THIS time you got busted!!!...in a public arena, as well!

TRULY,(look it up)

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 02:46 PM

"$33B so far"

"Whose figures??? Right wing bloggers???"

Oneway Bobert demands answers from others but he will not answer.

"Can I call Bobert an idiot" I do not beleive it is OK to call anybody an idiot.

I have never told anybody to shut up.

If they keep making claims they can't back up, just proves their claims are specious and that they are a blowhard.

Bobert can't define any of the "cuts"

He won't name any of the shitload of Dixiecrats.

He won't name any of the "right wing paid bloggers"

He can keep on repeating those claims as long as he wants.

Can you back up this claim Bobert?:

"When thug, who are paid by the Koch brothers, enter a town meeting with the intent of scaring the shit out of everyone"

When and where did that happen Bobert?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 02:42 PM

"would you care to substantiate your assertion, that I've told a falsehood….." about your saying that you never claimed to try to pass yourself off to be a counselor?

Sure, GfS! Since you keep trying to proclaim yourself as a Beacon of Truth and keep calling me a liar when I quote your own statements back to you, I am more than happy to expose your perfidy.   (Fasten your seat belt).
Subject: RE: BS: Why not just BAN Guests?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity - PM
Date: 14 Jul 08 - 03:00 PM

To answer your question, I'm a musician, sound engineer, screenplay author, and composed a soundtrack for a film, and when I originally stumbled upon this forum, which was by sheer happenstance, I found it extremely stimulating, and interesting. Being as I also am a marriage and family counselor, I was drawn into some of the discussions, with a certain passion, if you will. My post explains my reasons for remaining a 'Guest' In addition, I have personal information on here, that is highly confidential. Hope that answers your question. Re-read my last post, if you need clarification.* Thank you.
And on the seventh day, you rested?

Now, you were saying. . . ?

Don Firth

*Claims he has private and confidential material on his computer and is afraid that if he registers, people on Mudcat may have access to it.

All together now (to the tune of "The Volga Boatman") — "Par-a-noi-a. .  . .   (grunt).


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 01:41 PM

"Combative terms: "prove it or shut up," "stupid, false and disputed," "political hackery and quackery," "Bob-Babes," "you are, indeed, a liar" "pre-conceived bullshit," etc., etc. You're sounding like a bunch of dour old farts with stale testosterone.I think it's time to cool it down, guys. Otherwise, I'll close the thread."

Can I call Bobert an idiot if I can prove that trying to use logic on Sawzaw is pointless?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 01:19 PM

It's important to recognize and identify the patterns of a ritual defamation. Like all propaganda and disinformation campaigns it is accomplished primarily through the manipulation of words and symbols. It is not used to persuade, but to punish. Although it may have cognitive elements, its thrust is primarily emotional. Ritual Defamation is used to hurt, to intimidate, to destroy, and to persecute, and to avoid the dialogue, debate and discussion upon which a free society depends. On those grounds it must be opposed no matter who tries to justify its use.

An important rule in ritual defamation is to avoid engaging in any kind of debate over the truthfulness or reasonableness of what has been expressed, only condemn it. To debate opens the issue up for examination and discussion of its merits, and to consider the evidence that may support it, which is just what the ritual defamer is trying to avoid. The primary goal of a ritual defamation is censorship and repression.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 01:15 PM

Not playing yer games, Sawz, so go cry on yer shrink's shoulder...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 01:14 PM

"I get this information from sources such as Scientific American and Psychology Today.

Argue with THEM!"

Appeal to authority.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 01:09 PM

Bobert has not said what was cut so far.

He has not answered the question about which political party cast the most yea votes for TARP and which cast the most nay votes.

I even provided a link to the Senate record.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 12:47 PM

$33B so far...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 12:42 PM

"the cuts, cuts, cuts that the Tea Party had pushed on *US*"

Please describe these cuts Bobert.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 12:38 PM

You, Don, who is so highky educated that cannot present any facts so you must rely on personal attacks?

Personal attacks only prove that the person attacking has nothing to prove his point.

I haven't called anybody here a liar or stupid or crazy or evil, just unable to recognize facts. Unable to think for themselves.

James Eric Fuller, a military veteran and self-described liberal, began ranting at the end of ABC's "This Week" program with Christiane Amanpour, then took a picture of Tucson Tea Party leader Trent Humphries and yelled, "You're dead."

"Deputies made contact with him, attempted to remove him, and he turned around and yelled at everybody and called them all whores," Pima County sheriff's spokesman Jason Ogan told The Associated Press.

While Fuller, 63, was being escorted out, deputies decided he needed a mental health evaluation and he was taken to a hospital. Ogan said the hospital will determine when Fuller will be released.

Fuller was arrested on misdemeanor disorderly conduct and threat charges, according to the sheriff.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: John P
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 09:52 AM

Thank you, Joe.

GfS, you should know by now that quotes from a blogger who is a self-avowed Libertarian aren't going to carry much weight outside the extreme right-wing fringe. Not that I disagreed with everything he was saying, but that someone with such an obvious bias isn't a good place to go for real news. I'm WAY more interested in what you think than in what some Libertarian blogger thinks.

That being said, I'd like to draw your attention to the first sentence of the article you linked to:

For a people to be free, they must first be honest with themselves, their government, and the world at large.

I'm glad you want to get back to talking about freedom, and apparently want to approach the subject honestly. I'm unclear, however, on exactly what you mean when you talk about freedom. Can you spell out some the freedoms you want us all to have, and which ones you only want some of us to have, and which ones no one should have?

Do you believe that all freedoms enjoyed by Americans should be delineated by the Constitution? Do you believe the Constitution should be amended to fit modern times, should be interpreted with an understanding that the world has changed and that the concepts are more important than the actual words, or that it should be left as is and interpreted literally?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 09:40 AM

Nah, GfinS... This ain't about olive branches... It's about coming to a gun fight without a gun... This thread is about the tactics used by the Tea Party and the radical policies they are trying to force on the majority of America... If all one can do is parrot bumper sticker length policy positions that the Tea party and their masters put out there then that is just like the not taking the gun to the gun fight...

Many of us here are well educated and well read and are paying attention to the madness that the radical right is in the process of trying to ***impose*** on our country which to outsiders looks exactly like that: madness... Radical fringe groups should not have the power to wreck our economy... That is why the American people are pissed at Congress... It is being held hostage by these radical who came into power on one big issue: jobs!!! Not deficits... Not turning all the attention to defeating Obama!!! It was "jobs, jobs, jobs" in the 2010 election but once in power they pulled off th3e sheep clothing and told *US* that they were voted in to disrupt the American government???

In other words: They Lied!!!

Now they have disrupted the American government hoping that in doing so they can defeat Obama but no where in sight are their either ***jobs*** or the talk of ***jobs***... Might of fact, all leading economists tell *US* that the Tea Party policy positions will destroy millions of ***jobs***...

Last month the private sector added 58,000 jobs but with the cuts, cuts, cuts that the Tea Party had pushed on *US* we lost over 40,000 jobs... That left *US* with a net gain of less than 20,000 when all leading economists say we need 200,000 a month to cut into the 8,000,000 ***jobs*** that were lost during the Bush years...

BTW, we're not talking about hiring government employees here... We are talking about investing in fixing out crumbling infrastructure which is done primarily by private contractors...

Never mind... I am talking to a tree...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 04:04 AM

10 Indications That the United States is Becoming a Dictatorship

Read this, and click on the underlined links.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jul 11 - 02:54 AM

Gosh, just when I offered an 'Olive Branch' to bury the hatchet...hmmm, seems like the others wish to 'remain silent', and traipse off there merry way....so, I'll say this politely....ahem (clears throat)...Oh, Mr. Firth, would you care to substantiate your assertion, that I've told a falsehood, when you asserted the claim that, let me put your statement in quotes:... "And then, you went on to claim that YOU were a counselor and HAVE cured homosexuals of their homosexuality. By the way, don't try to deny that you claimed this, because I can link people to the posts where you said it."

Well then, I'll take you up on your generous offer...because I looked and found it nowhere...and I sincerely doubt that you can either. ..but rather you dug up a post, which, had you read further, I asserted that I never authored, and by doing so, you broke your concentration, from your arduous search, which I'm sure you were so diligent about! So rather than allow you to embarrass yourself further, by making, yet ANOTHER 'mistaken' claim, would you care to continue your journey, into your quest, of searching for something I never said in the first place?..If not, can you politely insert your cranium, into the orifice, where you mistakenly procured your other 'assertions'???...I'll be happy to forgive your inaccurate assertions, then!!

Actually Joe, I thought this was getting overheated when I posted this:
"Jeez!..It sounds like a barroom brawl!..well maybe a coffee house brawl..and some of you are sure getting a lot of lumps!..but before the 'barkeep' shuts the thread down(even though it HAS been rather entertaining), Let's wait for Donny to find that mysterious, elusive post!...We may be on here a lo-o-o-o-ng time!"

Sincerely and Politely Yours,

GfS

P.S....and may I suggest that you discontinue making up things, to prove a point, that never existed?. Be courteous.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 11:07 PM

Good decision, Don...

There are people who just flatly aren't worth the effort... I guess that goes both ways...

No matter???

GfinS has joined Sawz on my list of people that you can no longer talk with...

As for the Tea Party??? Yeah, terrorist organization... They are trying to do what bin Laden couldn't: kill the US economy... But they are too ignorant of basic Economics 201 to understand that...

I learned when I was a social worker not to argue with crazy people... Same goes for folks who are clueless but think they know everything in the world...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 10:42 PM

I cannot decipher GfS's continuous incoherent ravings just above, so I'm not going to bother with it. I leave analysis of the above exchange between GfS and myself to any reasonable person who might wish to render a judgment.

I have neither the time nor the patience to argue with someone, who, characteristically through several threads now, will lie his head off even when the plain and simple truth would serve him better.

The exchange between GfS and me is over as far as I'm concerned.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 09:06 PM

Hey, my testosterone ain't stale, Joe... Come right outta this here pill bottle... lol...

B;~)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 08:33 PM

    Combative terms: "prove it or shut up," "stupid, false and disputed," "political hackery and quackery," "Bob-Babes," "you are, indeed, a liar" "pre-conceived bullshit," etc., etc. You're sounding like a bunch of dour old farts with stale testosterone.I think it's time to cool it down, guys. Otherwise, I'll close the thread.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 07:24 PM

"Pre-conceived bullshit", GfinS... I have two college degrees which say that no matter what you think of my posting it is anything but "pre-conceived"... Not only that, I read one heck of a lot of actual newspapers and would more than happy to take you on in any judged debate or exam of knowledge of real world events, economics, history or even, since you Tea Partiers just love the Constitution, the Constitution itself... No notes... Just straight up knowledge...

That's the problem I have with you and Sawz and the rest of the Tea Party... You have bumper sticker solutions that the Koch brothers have stuffed in your head that aren't solutions at all... They are policies that will insure ***their*** success at gaming the system and they have no earthly interest in your well being... Or your families well being... You are being used as political cannon fodder, dupes and pawns by people who wouldn't give a second thought about you if they ran you over in the streets... You are Boss Hogs chattel... You are the new "porch Negroes" and you and your Tea Partiers are eat up with arrogance and complete ignorance...

Square business...

B~


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