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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 05 Mar 11 - 10:25 AM Hello. This is Bernardine Dohrn. I'm going to read A DECLARATION OF A STATE OF WAR. This is the first communication from the Weatherman underground. All over the world, people fighting Amerikan imperialism look to Amerika's youth to use our strategic position behind enemy lines to join forces in the destruction of the empire. Black people have been fighting almost alone for years. We've known that our job is to lead white kids into armed revolution. We never intended to spend the next five or twenty-five years of our lives in jail. Ever since SDS became revolutionary, we've been trying to show how it is possible to overcome the frustration and impotence that comes from trying to reform this system. Kids know the lines are drawn revolution is touching all of our lives. Tens of thousands have learned that protest and marches don't do it. Revolutionary violence is the only way. Now we are adapting the classic guerrilla strategy of the Viet Cong and the urban guerrilla strategy of the Tupamaros to our own situation here in the most technically advanced country in the world. Ché taught us that "revolutionaries move like fish in the sea." The alienation and contempt that young people have for this country has created the ocean for this revolution. The hundreds and thousands of young people who demonstrated in the Sixties against the war and for civil rights grew to hundreds of thousands in the past few weeks actively fighting Nixon's invasion of Cambodia and the attempted genocide against black people. The insanity of Amerikan "justice" has added to its list of atrocities six blacks killed in Augusta, two in Jackson and four white Kent State students, making thousands more into revolutionaries. The parents of "privileged" kids have been saying for years that the revolution was a game for us. But the war and the racism of this society show that it is too fucked-up. We will never live peaceably under this system. This was totally true of those who died in the New York townhouse explosion. The third person who was killed there was Terry Robbins, who led the first rebellion at Kent State less than two years ago. The twelve Weathermen who were indicted for leading last October's riots in Chicago have never left the country. Terry is dead, Linda was captured by a pig informer, but the rest of us move freely in and out of every city and youth scene in this country. We're not hiding out but we're invisible. There are several hundred members of the Weatherman underground and some of us face more years in jail than the fifty thousand deserters and draft dodgers now in Canada. Already many of them are coming back to join us in the underground or to return to the Man's army and tear it up from inside along with those who never left. We fight in many ways. Dope is one of our weapons. The laws against marijuana mean that millions of us are outlaws long before we actually split. Guns and grass are united in the youth underground. Freaks are revolutionaries and revolutionaries are freaks. If you want to find us, this is where we are. In every tribe, commune, dormitory, farmhouse, barracks and townhouse where kids are making love, smoking dope and loading guns fugitives from Amerikan justice are free to go. For Diana Oughton, Ted Gold and Terry Robbins, and for all the revolutionaries who are still on the move here, there has been no question for a long time now we will never go back. Within the next fourteen days we will attack a symbol or institution of Amerikan injustice. This is the way we celebrate the example of Eldridge Cleaver and H. Rap Brown and all black revolutionaries who first inspired us by their fight behind enemy lines for the liberation of their people. Never again will they fight alone. May 21, 1970 |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 05 Mar 11 - 11:08 AM Bernardine didn't speak for The Movement... She spoke for herself and a small group of folks who real a tad over-radicalized, or FBI plants... It was hard to tell sometimes... Might of fact, tho I knew *of* her she never attended any of the organizational meetings that I attended... The three I mentioned were all biggies... The one in Philly was probably the largest of the entire decade with well ove4r 1000 people representing various SDS or SDS affiliates... BTW, The Movement has for decades been characterized as violent but with the exception of a few incidents, given the number of demonstrations and events that were organized it was 99+% non-violent... I mean, even the murder of Fred Hampton has been sanitized to protect cops who shot him to death as he slept!!! But in the minds of those who refuse to accept The Movement as non-violent in order tom justify the gestapo tactics that were used against it there was this big "shoot out"... Shooting a sleeping man does not quite constitutre a "shoot out"... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 05 Mar 11 - 12:13 PM I'm still listening.....to BOTH sides....need more, and NOT just hearsay! Fair enough? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 05 Mar 11 - 12:15 PM Prarie Fire by Bernadine Dorn Jeff Jones Billy Ayres Celia Sojourn We are Communist Women and Men |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 05 Mar 11 - 01:05 PM Why not any of the Chicago 7 on that list, Sawz??? Or. Dr. Benjamin Spock... Or Martin Luther King... Or Ralph Abernathy... Or Malcolm X... Or Dick Gregory... Or Emmett (Fred) Shorter... Or Stokley Charmickle... But, heck... Even if you take the list above and not cherry-pick their speeches and writings but present them as an entire body of work in the context of the 60s, you won't find any who's body of work would constitute terrorism... There was extreme speech back then on both sides and aa lot of it has to be taken in the context of the times... If you weren't part of the 60s then it's difficult to understand alot of it... Just as if you were not part of Greenich Village in the 50's then you might not have a clue what Gregory Corso, Laurence Ferlingetti of Lenny Bruce waer talking about (okay, I'll admit that as hard as I tried I never got Corso)... I mean, everything has to be taken in the context of the times... As for "communists"... Yeah, in order to have the shock value and the negotiation power some folks did advocate publicly communism... I know that lots of my commune friends were all about "commun"ism and some are still out there living their own little brand today... But even that has to be taken in the context of the 60s... I mean, the 60s was a war of ideas... And those within the Movement were as diverse as folks are today... It's not like The Movement was 100% all about ____________ or_____________.... It was about all the "isms"... It was about a sneseless war... It was about corrupt government... It was about romanticism (classically speaking) where we each had the power of self-actualization (Mazlo) within us... And it was no walk in the park for those of us in The Movement because we came up an "ism"istic society: racism, sexism, ageism... Those were hard to overcome because they were3 so ingrained into us... I had a very hard time with sexism... I mean, I was still being taken aside by strong women for these little chats as late as '70 when I finally got that one internalized and made the fundamental changes... And, no, those chats were no fun but we "pulled each other up"... That was part of the entire consciousness raising that we all went thru... And some made it, some faked it and some never gave a shit bacause they thought it was all about smokin' weed, gettin' laid and loud music... But I can see how someone who wasn't there could easily miss the entire lesson, story and now want to rewrite what it really was about... I'm sure that others here know exactly what I am talking about and can maybe retell the same story with different words but the main thing that came out of it for those of us who bought in was that peace needed a chance... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Stringsinger Date: 05 Mar 11 - 01:28 PM The only thing in my opinion that defines the Tea Party as a terrorist organization is that some of its members are packing heat to intimidate others. In this, they are like "Operation Rescue", an Orwellian title if there ever was one. Otherwise, they are really stooges for the Koch Brothers and the Chamber of Commerce. The use of labels such as Communist or Terrorist have always been thrown around to intimidate others. It's the weapon of smear merchants. The 60's were pretty much about the Vietnam War as B says. Now it's time to question the foreign policy toward Iraq and Afghanistan (not to mention Pakistan and Yemen) and tie that into the so-called deficit. Reduce money for the "wars" and raise taxes on the rich and problem solved. I hate to mention this though it could come true is that the only presidential candidate the Rethugs have that could beat Obama is Ron Paul. Libertarianism is a political disease that has infected conservative America. It drives the Tea Party with Rove and Norquist behind the scenes. In the meantime, The Tea Party has little to do with the historical episode in Boston Harbor where the "Indians" were protesting against the corporate East India Tea Company. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 05 Mar 11 - 01:36 PM Exactly, Strings... "2nd amendment remedies" were not at all part of The Movement... The movement was a war of ideas, not a war of bullets... The right wing cannot fight a war of ideas because it loses those so it sidesteps those, uses propaganda (lies v. ideas) and threats of violence... If anything the Tea Party Movement is the exact opposite of The Movement... 180 degrees different... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 05 Mar 11 - 01:54 PM For ALL those 'ballyhooing' about the Koch Bros. and their funding of the 'opposition', I think it would be wise to consider George Soros, and what he funds...unless partisan bullshit is OK with a double standard!!!! Note: That I, too, very much disagreed, along with a lot of you about the Supreme Court's decision about campaign contributions from large corporations, blocs which, of course, means unions as well... but some of you are changing your tune. To those, maybe you can get into 'disco' and still claim to be folk and bluegrass, and blues players. Sorry, to have to point out the obvious, AGAIN, as to some of your partisan double stands...but there it is, again! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 05 Mar 11 - 02:21 PM The problem here, GfinS, is that when it comes to the actual $$$ going to the Dems v. Repubs since the "Citizens United" ruling that for every dollar going to the Dems, 5 go to the Repubs... I'm not excusing Soros... I'd like to see all corporate $$$ out of politics... And no "rangers" or whatevers that fleece/bully workers to contribute... This is a terrible way to try to run a democracy... Bring back a "Fairness Doctrine" and "debates" and "documentaries" and take the $$$ and propaganda outta politics... But right now, the Repubs are winning the $$$ grab in a big way... No contest!!! BTW, the so-called financial crisis in Wisconsin has been fabricated... Scott Walker came into office with a $100M surplus which he turned around and ***gave*** (as in welfare) to corporations (trusty Repub donors) in tax breaks and subsidies... If he hadn't done that then no crisis... Same game as Bush... Surpluses turned over to Boss Hog??? You may think that tyhje Dems and the Repubs are alike but the Dems have been much better stewards of the tax payer's $$$ for a long time now... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 05 Mar 11 - 02:59 PM Dohrn was a principal signatory on the group's "Declaration of a State of War" in 1970 that formally declared "war" on the U.S. Government, and completed the group's transformation from political advocacy to violent action. Dohrn also co-wrote and published the subversive manifesto Prairie Fire in 1974, and participated in the covertly filmed Underground in 1976. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 05 Mar 11 - 03:24 PM Clinton ran deficits throught all 8 years of his term, and one can go to the US Treasury Department and looking through the history of the total outstanding debt through Clintons term. Every year Clinton was in office, the total national debt continued to climb. How Clinton managed to claim a surplus was that while the general operating budgets ran deficits but Clinton borrowed from numerous off budget funds to make the on budget fund a surplus. For example, in 2000, Clinton claimed a $230B surplus, but Clinton borrowed $152.3B from Social Security $30.9B from Civil Service Retirement Fund $18.5B from Federal Supplementary Medical insurance Trust Fund $15.0B from Federal Hospital Insurance Trust Fund $9.0B from the Federal Unemployment Trust Fund $8.2B from Military Retirement Fund $3.8B from Transportation Trust Funds $1.8B from Employee Life Insurance & Retirement fund $7.0B from others Total borrowed from off budget funds $246.5B, meaning that his $230B surplus is actually a $16.5B deficit. ($246.5B borrowed - $230B claimed surplus = $16.5B actual deficit). Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_surplus_did_the_US_have_when_Clinton_left_office#ixzz1Fl6APO6q |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: TIA Date: 05 Mar 11 - 04:32 PM Horsepucky The charts you need to analyze Sawz are here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Debt_Trend.svg here http://www.lafn.org/politics/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.html here http://zfacts.com/p/318.html Then let's talk deficits and debt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 05 Mar 11 - 05:56 PM Won't matter, TIA 'cause the Repubs are hell-bent on only cumulative deficits rather than annual budgetary deficits... That's where they want to keep the discussion because, yeah, the cumulative deficit hiders the facts that they don't want people to know and that is the last 3 presidents who actually cut annual budget deficits were Carter, Clinton and Obama!!! No Repub has done it in 30 years... BTW, before Saws gets on his high horse about Obama here's the facts which are readily verifiable... Bush's last budget was the '09 budget... That's the way our system works... The outgoing president the incoming one with a budget in place... Bush's last annual budget deficit was $1.4T... Obama's first budget was the '10 budget and it came in with an annual deficit of $1.3T... That means that Obama cut $100B in annual defict with his fgirst budget... But righties and repubs don't want anyone to look at it that way because it doesn't fit their revisionist mythology... Normal... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 05 Mar 11 - 06:49 PM National Debt |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 05 Mar 11 - 06:59 PM See page 14 |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 05 Mar 11 - 08:00 PM "The 3 that I threw out of a meeting at VCU wanted to fire-bomb the house of Warren Brandt, who was VCU's president at the time" You should have reported such people to the FBI ... :-) of course that would 'confirm' that you were a member .... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 05 Mar 11 - 09:43 PM 1969 * June 18-22 - Students for a Democratic Society SDS National Convention held in Chicago, Illinois. Publication of "Weatherman" founding statement. Members seize control of SDS National Office. * July - Members Bernardine Dohrn, Eleanor Raskin, Dianne Donghi, Peter Clapp, David Millstone and Diana Oughton travel to Cuba and meet representatives of the North Vietnamese and Cuban governments. * August - Weatherman member Linda Sue Evans travels to North Vietnam. Weatherman activists meet in Cleveland, Ohio, in preparation for "Days of Rage" protests scheduled for October, 1969 in Chicago. * September 3 - Female members participate in a "jailbreak" at South Hills High School in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, where they run through the school shouting anti-war slogans and distributing literature promoting the "National Action." The term "Pittsburgh 26" refers to the 26 women arrested in connection with this incident. * September 24 - A group of members confront Chicago Police during a demonstration supporting the "National Action," and protesting the commencement of the Chicago Eight trial stemming from the 1968 Democratic National Convention. * October 5 - The Haymarket Police Statue in Chicago is bombed; Weathermen later claim credit for the bombing in their book, Prairie Fire. * October 8-11 - The "Days of Rage" riots occur in Chicago, damaging a large amount of property. 287 Weatherman members are arrested, some become fugitives when they fail to appear for trial in connection with their arrests. * November 8th - Sniper attack on Cambridge Police Station. Two shots were fired. Two Weathermen, James Kilpatrick and James Reaves, were indicted and then subsequently released when a witness recanted his testimony. * November-December - Karen Ashley and Phoebe Hirsch were among the few Weatherman members to join the first contingent of the Venceremos Brigade (VB) that departs for Cuba to harvest sugar cane. * December 6 - Bombing of several Chicago police cars parked in a precinct parking lot at 3600 North Halsted Street, Chicago. The WUO claims responsibility in Prairie Fire, stating it is a protest of the fatal police shooting of Illinois Black Panther Party leaders Fred Hampton and Mark Clark on December 4, 1969. * December 27-30 - Weathermen hold a "War Council" in Flint, Michigan, where plans are finalized to change into an underground organization that will commit strategic acts of sabotage against the government. Thereafter they are called "Weather Underground Organization" (WUO). 1970 * January - Silas and Judith Bissell placed a home-made bomb under the steps of the R.O.T.C. building. The bomb was made from an electric blasting cap, an alarm clock, a battery and a plastic bag filled with gasoline and explosives. * February - The WUO closes the SDS National Office in Chicago, concluding the major campus-based organization of the 1960s. The first contingent of the VB returns from Cuba and the second contingent departs. By mid-February the bulk of the leading WUO members go underground. * February 16: A bomb is detonated at the Golden Gate Park branch of the San Francisco Police Department, killing one officer and injuring a number of other policemen (one seriously). No organization claims credit for either bombing. (See San Francisco Police Department Park Station bombing.) * On February 21, the house of Judge Murtagh, who presides over the Panther 21 trial, is fire-bombed by a WUO cell in New York City. The same night, molotov cocktails were thrown at a police car in Manhattan and two military recruiting stations in Brooklyn. * March - Warrants are issued for several WUO members, who become federal fugitives when they fail to appear for trial in Chicago. * March 6 - WUO members Theodore Gold, Diana Oughton, and Terry Robbins are killed in the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, when a nailbomb they were constructing detonates. The bomb was intended to be planted at a non-commissioned officer's dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey. * March 30 - Chicago police discover a WUO "bomb factory" on Chicago's north side. * April 1 - Based on a tip Chicago Police find 59 sticks of dynamite, ammunition, and nitro glyerine in an apartment traced to WUO members. The discover of the WUO weapons cache ends WUO activity in this city. * April 2 - A federal grand jury in Chicago returns a number of indictments charging WUO members with violation of federal anti-riot laws. Also, a number of additional federal warrants charging "unlawful flight to avoid prosecution" are returned in Chicago based on the failure of WUO members to appear for trial in local cases. (The Anti-riot Law charges were later dropped in January, 1974.) * April 15 - The FBI arrests WUO members Linda Sue Evans and Dianne Donghi in New York with the help of WUO infiltrator, Larry Grathwohl. * May 10 - The National Guard Association building in Washington, D.C. is bombed. * May 21 - The WUO releases its "Declaration of a State of War" communique under Bernardine Dohrn's name. * June 6 - In a letter, the WUO claims credit for bombing of the San Francisco Hall of Justice, although no explosion has occurred. Months later, workmen locate an unexploded bomb. * June 9 - The New York City Police headquarters is bombed by Jane Alpert and accomplices. Weathermen state this is in response to "police repression." The bomb made with ten sticks of dynamite exploded in the NYC Police Headquarters. The explosion was preceded by a warning about six minutes prior to the detonation and subsequently by a WUO claim of responsibility. * July 23 - A federal grand jury in Detroit, Michigan, returns indictments against thirteen WUO members and former WUO members charging violations of various explosives and firearms laws. (These indictments were later dropped in October, 1973.) * July 25 - The United States Army base at The Presidio in San Francisco is bombed on the 11th anniversary of the Cuban Revolution. On the same day, a branch of the Bank of America is bombed in New York. * July 28 - Bank of America HQ in NYC is bombed around 3:50 AM. WUO claims responsibility. * September 15 - The WUO helps Dr. Timothy Leary escape from the California Men's Colony prison. * October 8 - Bombing of Marin County courthouse. WUO states this is in retaliation for the killings of Jonathan Jackson, William Christmas, and James McClain * October 10 - A Queens traffic-court building is bombed. WUO claims this is to express support for the New York prison riots. * October 11 - A Courthouse in Long Island City, NY is bombed. An estimated 8 to 10 sticks of dynamite are used. A warning was given around 10 min. prior to the 1:23 AM blast by the WUO. * October 12 - Around October 12 eight bomb explosions occur, Five in Rochester New York, Two in NYC, and One in Orlando FL. Despite WUO bomb warnings three persons are injured. * October 14 - The Harvard Center for International Affairs is bombed by The Proud Eagle Tribe of Weather (later renamed the Women's Brigade of the Weather Underground). WUO claims this is to protest the war in Vietnam. The bombing was in reaction to Angela Davis' arrest and was the first action undertaken by an all-women's unit of WUO. * October - Bernardine Dohrn, Katherine Ann Power, and Susan Edith Saxe were put on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted List * December - Fugitive WUO member Caroline Tanker, who fled the country for Cuba, is arrested by the FBI in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. * December 5th - Five Weatherman are captured for trying to bomb First National City Bank of NY and other buildings on the anniversary of the death of Fred Hampton. These individuals subsequently plead guilty. * December 11th - Vivian Bogart and Patricia Mclean from the WUO are arrested after throwing an incendiary bomb at the Royal National Bank in NYC around 1:30 AM. * December 16 - Fugitive WUO member Judith Alice Clark is arrested on the Days of Rage indictments by the FBI in New York.] |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Sawzaw Date: 05 Mar 11 - 09:45 PM 1969 * June 18-22 - Students for a Democratic Society SDS National Convention held in Chicago, Illinois. Publication of "Weatherman" founding statement. Members seize control of SDS National Office. * July - Members Bernardine Dohrn, Eleanor Raskin, Dianne Donghi, Peter Clapp, David Millstone and Diana Oughton travel to Cuba and meet representatives of the North Vietnamese and Cuban governments. * August - Weatherman member Linda Sue Evans travels to North Vietnam. Weatherman activists meet in Cleveland, Ohio, in preparation for "Days of Rage" protests scheduled for October, 1969 in Chicago. * September 3 - Female members participate in a "jailbreak" at South Hills High School in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, where they run through the school shouting anti-war slogans and distributing literature promoting the "National Action." The term "Pittsburgh 26" refers to the 26 women arrested in connection with this incident. * September 24 - A group of members confront Chicago Police during a demonstration supporting the "National Action," and protesting the commencement of the Chicago Eight trial stemming from the 1968 Democratic National Convention. * October 5 - The Haymarket Police Statue in Chicago is bombed; Weathermen later claim credit for the bombing in their book, Prairie Fire. * October 8-11 - The "Days of Rage" riots occur in Chicago, damaging a large amount of property. 287 Weatherman members are arrested, some become fugitives when they fail to appear for trial in connection with their arrests. * November 8th - Sniper attack on Cambridge Police Station. Two shots were fired. Two Weathermen, James Kilpatrick and James Reaves, were indicted and then subsequently released when a witness recanted his testimony. * November-December - Karen Ashley and Phoebe Hirsch were among the few Weatherman members to join the first contingent of the Venceremos Brigade (VB) that departs for Cuba to harvest sugar cane. * December 6 - Bombing of several Chicago police cars parked in a precinct parking lot at 3600 North Halsted Street, Chicago. The WUO claims responsibility in Prairie Fire, stating it is a protest of the fatal police shooting of Illinois Black Panther Party leaders Fred Hampton and Mark Clark on December 4, 1969. * December 27-30 - Weathermen hold a "War Council" in Flint, Michigan, where plans are finalized to change into an underground organization that will commit strategic acts of sabotage against the government. Thereafter they are called "Weather Underground Organization" (WUO). 1970 * January - Silas and Judith Bissell placed a home-made bomb under the steps of the R.O.T.C. building. The bomb was made from an electric blasting cap, an alarm clock, a battery and a plastic bag filled with gasoline and explosives. * February - The WUO closes the SDS National Office in Chicago, concluding the major campus-based organization of the 1960s. The first contingent of the VB returns from Cuba and the second contingent departs. By mid-February the bulk of the leading WUO members go underground. * February 16: A bomb is detonated at the Golden Gate Park branch of the San Francisco Police Department, killing one officer and injuring a number of other policemen (one seriously). No organization claims credit for either bombing. (See San Francisco Police Department Park Station bombing.) * On February 21, the house of Judge Murtagh, who presides over the Panther 21 trial, is fire-bombed by a WUO cell in New York City. The same night, molotov cocktails were thrown at a police car in Manhattan and two military recruiting stations in Brooklyn. * March - Warrants are issued for several WUO members, who become federal fugitives when they fail to appear for trial in Chicago. * March 6 - WUO members Theodore Gold, Diana Oughton, and Terry Robbins are killed in the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, when a nailbomb they were constructing detonates. The bomb was intended to be planted at a non-commissioned officer's dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey. * March 30 - Chicago police discover a WUO "bomb factory" on Chicago's north side. * April 1 - Based on a tip Chicago Police find 59 sticks of dynamite, ammunition, and nitro glyerine in an apartment traced to WUO members. The discover of the WUO weapons cache ends WUO activity in this city. * April 2 - A federal grand jury in Chicago returns a number of indictments charging WUO members with violation of federal anti-riot laws. Also, a number of additional federal warrants charging "unlawful flight to avoid prosecution" are returned in Chicago based on the failure of WUO members to appear for trial in local cases. (The Anti-riot Law charges were later dropped in January, 1974.) * April 15 - The FBI arrests WUO members Linda Sue Evans and Dianne Donghi in New York with the help of WUO infiltrator, Larry Grathwohl. * May 10 - The National Guard Association building in Washington, D.C. is bombed. * May 21 - The WUO releases its "Declaration of a State of War" communique under Bernardine Dohrn's name. * June 6 - In a letter, the WUO claims credit for bombing of the San Francisco Hall of Justice, although no explosion has occurred. Months later, workmen locate an unexploded bomb. * June 9 - The New York City Police headquarters is bombed by Jane Alpert and accomplices. Weathermen state this is in response to "police repression." The bomb made with ten sticks of dynamite exploded in the NYC Police Headquarters. The explosion was preceded by a warning about six minutes prior to the detonation and subsequently by a WUO claim of responsibility. * July 23 - A federal grand jury in Detroit, Michigan, returns indictments against thirteen WUO members and former WUO members charging violations of various explosives and firearms laws. (These indictments were later dropped in October, 1973.) * July 25 - The United States Army base at The Presidio in San Francisco is bombed on the 11th anniversary of the Cuban Revolution. On the same day, a branch of the Bank of America is bombed in New York. * July 28 - Bank of America HQ in NYC is bombed around 3:50 AM. WUO claims responsibility. * September 15 - The WUO helps Dr. Timothy Leary escape from the California Men's Colony prison. * October 8 - Bombing of Marin County courthouse. WUO states this is in retaliation for the killings of Jonathan Jackson, William Christmas, and James McClain * October 10 - A Queens traffic-court building is bombed. WUO claims this is to express support for the New York prison riots. * October 11 - A Courthouse in Long Island City, NY is bombed. An estimated 8 to 10 sticks of dynamite are used. A warning was given around 10 min. prior to the 1:23 AM blast by the WUO. * October 12 - Around October 12 eight bomb explosions occur, Five in Rochester New York, Two in NYC, and One in Orlando FL. Despite WUO bomb warnings three persons are injured. * October 14 - The Harvard Center for International Affairs is bombed by The Proud Eagle Tribe of Weather (later renamed the Women's Brigade of the Weather Underground). WUO claims this is to protest the war in Vietnam. The bombing was in reaction to Angela Davis' arrest and was the first action undertaken by an all-women's unit of WUO. * October - Bernardine Dohrn, Katherine Ann Power, and Susan Edith Saxe were put on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted List * December - Fugitive WUO member Caroline Tanker, who fled the country for Cuba, is arrested by the FBI in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. * December 5th - Five Weatherman are captured for trying to bomb First National City Bank of NY and other buildings on the anniversary of the death of Fred Hampton. These individuals subsequently plead guilty. * December 11th - Vivian Bogart and Patricia Mclean from the WUO are arrested after throwing an incendiary bomb at the Royal National Bank in NYC around 1:30 AM. * December 16 - Fugitive WUO member Judith Alice Clark is arrested on the Days of Rage indictments by the FBI in New York.] |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 05 Mar 11 - 09:46 PM Heck, F-troupe... The FBI knew all about me... They prolly have a hundred pictures of me which I'd like to have 'cause I had some nice dark hair back then and lots of it... Hey, we had two FBI guys who made no bones about who they were... I mean, they'd ask me questions about stuff... You, dumb stuff, like "What time is that demonstartion??? Are you gonna set up a PA???" Like who cared??? There's a picture of me in the Richmond Chronicle talkin' with them about an event... Wish I had a copy of that one... No big thing... Sometimes they'd just show up at my flat and ask me dumb questions??? Couple of losers... BTW, Saws... The stuff yhou put up is exactly the stuff I said you'd put up... No matter... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 05 Mar 11 - 10:30 PM I'm still listening to BOTH sides, because if Bobert's claim was right, OK..but Bobert, and F-Toupee, could you please come up with something to substantiate your claims...besides, "BTW, Saws... The stuff yhou put up is exactly the stuff I said you'd put up...".. with something a little more than rhetoric. As it is, right now, Sawzaw, is putting forth a far more convincing case. Oh, and Tia's links, were more what I had in mind, as so far as presenting the 'other' side...but that was for the debt, and what I was inquiring about were the 'Weathermen'....you know, that group who rose to some notoriety, while protesting the Administration of LBJ (D-Texas), and his policies....even though they spanned a couple of administrations. So come on, give it your best shot. I'm all ears(or eyes, as the case may be). GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 05 Mar 11 - 11:30 PM Insane Man - the is no "F-Toupee" in this discussion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 05 Mar 11 - 11:32 PM "Weatherman member Linda Sue Evans travels to North Vietnam. " WoW! This is really 'militant' stuff - Those who said 'get out of Vietnam' WON, remember? :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 06 Mar 11 - 12:22 AM F-Guy: "WoW! This is really 'militant' stuff - Those who said 'get out of Vietnam' WON, remember? :-)" And according to Russian documents, when the country broke up, we would have 'won'(?), had the war gone on, just one more week...Then, we could still be importing all that 'China White' from the 'Golden Triangle'..which is one huge reason the 'war' dragged on so long! Not to worry, I was opposed to that bullshit...all of it!..and thought LBJ was a piece of shit, along with it! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 06 Mar 11 - 09:15 AM First of all, there was absolutely no way for the US to have won militarily in Vietnam... A lot of people think this was a war strictly between North and South Vietnam... That is revisionistic mythology... Reality was that it was a lot more than that... After President Diem was assassinated by our CIA South Vietnam broke into civil war and the more the US tried to stop it the worse it got... How could the US ever defeated the Viet Cong??? Well, they couldn't have... That was the lesson that we should have learned... Most military scholars understand that... The POW-MIA grunts who are now in their 60s and riding their Harleys to DC every Memorial Day can't bring themselves to let the loss be... So they fight and fight and fight and will die fighting because we, as a nation, never laid Vietnam to rest... But the military scholars know that a war such a Vietnam, where half the population can by day live among you and at night become gorilla fighters against the existing puppet government and occupiers, can never be won... I mean, we bombed Laos and Cambodia to pieces trying to stop men and material coming south on the Ho Chi Min Trail and reality was that, as in any war, logistics of getting material and men to the battle is the hardest part, the bombing never interrupted the supply... I mean, look at the number of fully supplied North Vietnamese and Viet Cong there were in Saigon as we tried to evacuate the last of the South Vietnamese who had been faithful to *US*... No, quite the opposite... Most military historians understand exactly why Vietnam was unwinnable... But, of course, we do have the conspiracy theorists who are playing to the emotions of the folks who have not, and cannot, square what they they were involved with... I understand that... No one can square it, regardless of one's history... We anti-war folks can't square it either... Our entire generation will die without Vietnam even being resolved... But that's the emotional side which has nothing to do with... ...the military ***science*** side... I mean, there are reason why we are hearing wise old military men who understand the ***science*** of war warning *US* not to get sucked into Lybia... I've heard two this week make reference to Vietnam... I think that should set aside the conspiracy theories that the US was one week away from winning in Vietnam... These men learned the lessons from Vietnam... But seein' as the conspiracy theorists have put together their mythology package for consumption there is really no reason to re-fight a war that military scientists use as an example of the kind of war that cannot be won so I'll just side with the older and wiser men who weren't the grunts and have a different perspective... The debate really cannot ever be won because certain people will believe whatever they want regardless of the merits of their beliefs and, hey, if the POW-MIAers want/need to believe that the war could have been won, then that's what they are going to believe... So, GfinS, if you are waiting expecting me to deliver that last bit of Evidence then you'll be waiting a long time but we were told over and over during the war that victory was right around the corner... Richard Nixon won in 1968 partly because he had a "secret plan" to win the war... The war went another 7 long years... In all we were in Vietnam from 1959 to 1975 in some capacity and from 1965 to 1975 engaged in a "hot war"... That made fir 16 years and so if folks need/want to think another week would have made the difference, then, hey, let 'um... There are people who strongly believe that the moon landing was staged in the Majave Desert??? I mean, what more can I say??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 06 Mar 11 - 09:44 AM Addition: Oh, one very important that I left out of my last post concerns that all important logistical aspect of the war involving supplies... Vietnam was the signature "Cold War" proxy war between the US and the USSR/China... This is the part that the military scientists use in teaching... Because of the geography it was relatively easy for both the Russians and the Chinese to re-supply the National Liberation Front (NLF) via North Vietnam since the US had no way of cutting those land supply routes... If supplies had to come in boats then from strictly a logistics side it would have been easier tho given the fact that South Vietnam was involved in a "hot civil war" within itself wouldn't have changed anything... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,999 Date: 06 Mar 11 - 09:36 PM The war could have been won with the use of nuclear weapons and without the meddling of those infernal bastards in Washington. Maybe it's a good thing it wasn't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 07 Mar 11 - 08:26 AM I couldn't get my pudder to play but the 1st minute an 30 seconds but I'm assuming it got around to the million$$$ that the Koch brothers threw into the mix to hire "community organizers", rent offices, etc... Oh, and I'm sure it gota round to Doick Aremy's "Freedom Works", his lobbyist firm and the millions$$$ thnat the health insurance and pharma funneled to the Tea Party to hire more "community" organizers, rent more offices, rent buses, etc... Grass roots, my butt... Because of the corrupt campaign finance laws it's impossible to ever know how much $$$ the Tea Party cost the rich but if you throw in FOX's "in kind" contributions I'd dare say that we're not looking at just hundreds of millions$$$ but billion$$$... Tell ya'll what... If I had that money to mount a campaign I could get a hundred leftie radicals elected to the House of Reps because our government is "the best that money can buy"... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Greg F. Date: 07 Mar 11 - 09:46 AM ...we would have 'won'(?), had the war gone on, just one more week... Talk about 'divorced from reality'.... maybe it really IS GuestInsanity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Mar 11 - 09:58 AM Oh, you want to keep spending money...for BULLSHIT....check this out! Reason for all the 'urgent spending, including 'stimulous'. BOTH administrations There's more..check them out! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Greg F. Date: 07 Mar 11 - 10:14 AM Columnist Sebastian Mallaby of the Washington Post reacted sharply to Perkins' book: "This man is a frothing conspiracy theorist, a vainglorious peddler of nonsense, and yet his book, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, is a runaway bestseller." Mallaby, who spent 13 years writing for the London Economist ... holds that Perkins' conception of international finance is "largely a dream" and that his "basic contentions are flat wrong." |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 07 Mar 11 - 10:22 AM Have you read John Perkin's the book, GfinS??? It explains exactly what I just talked about with the bigh corporations using billion$$$ to by influence... John has long been a darlin' of the left... He's been on both NPR and Democracy Now... He fully understands the Tea Party and who owns these people... And so do I... These Tea Partiers want to shut down any federal agency that is out there trying to keep the polluters from poisoning our water and air or using their influence to get billions$$$ of our tax dollars for absolutely nothing that we actually need and, like farm, subsidies, nothing at all... Just corporate welfare... And guess which party the big crooks have chosen as "their" party... If you guessed the Democratic Party you guess wrong... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: pdq Date: 07 Mar 11 - 10:37 AM John Perkins is a pathological liar. I listened to a radio interview a few years ago when the book mentioned here first came out. Perkins said he was always the best liar he knew and was proud of that. He said he has been lying all of his life, was lying when he worked IMF, was lying when he wrote the book and was lying right now. Yes, he said he was lying during the interview. He seemed smug and proud of it. You can't take anything he says seriously even though he may throw out a fact now and then. Overall, he is making it up and amusing himself bigtime. He has made millions selling books so he seems to have the last laugh, at everyone else's expense. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Greg F. Date: 07 Mar 11 - 10:44 AM John Perkin's [book] explains exactly what I just talked about with the bigh corporations using billion$$$ to by influence... Well, he sure ain't lying about that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Greg F. Date: 07 Mar 11 - 10:48 AM Overall, he is making it up and amusing himself bigtime. He has made millions selling books so he seems to have the last laugh, at everyone else's expense. Kinda like George W. Bush, you mean. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,999 Date: 07 Mar 11 - 10:52 AM The Tea Party seems to be filled with dilettanets Tthey seem to be talking nonsense and having fun. You live in a vibrant democracy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Greg F. Date: 07 Mar 11 - 12:16 PM Well, Bruce, as far as the "vibrant democracy" goes, I'm with Abe Lincoln. "I feel like the man who was tarred and feathered and ridden out of town on a rail. To the man who asked him how he liked it, he said: 'If it wasn't for the honor of the thing, I'd rather walk.'" |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,999 Date: 07 Mar 11 - 12:21 PM The political and commercial morals of the United States are not merely food for laughter, they are an entire banquet. - Mark Twain in Eruption I hear you. We're lots like that in Canada, too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,999 Date: 07 Mar 11 - 04:01 PM Ya know, Greg, maybe the answer is folks like Will Rogers and Mark Twain. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,999 Date: 07 Mar 11 - 04:12 PM Will Rogers was an amazing person and one of the wisest men of any generation. His accomplishments include being a champion lasso thrower, a performer on the Broadway stage, the star of 71 movies, a radio broadcaster, an author of six books, and a syndicated newspaper columnist. Will Rogers traveled around the world three times and befriended presidents, senators, prime ministers, and kings. Will Rogers was famous for his simple, insightful humor and his ability to connect honestly with everyone he met. His comments about politics in general and the politics of his generation are among his most memorable. The following are some of the best Will Rogers political quotes. There's no trick to being a humorist when you have the whole government working for you. Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate; now what's going to happen to us with both a Senate and a House? I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat. I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. The more you read and observe about this Politics thing, you got to admit that each party is worse than the other. The one that's out always looks the best. The income tax has made more liars out of the American people than golf has. On account of being a democracy and run by the people, we are the only nation in the world that has to keep a government four years, no matter what it does. The man with the best job in the country is the Vice President. All he has to do is get up every morning and say, "How's the President?" An economist's guess is liable to be as good as anybody else's. Alexander Hamilton started the U.S. Treasury with nothing -- and that was the closest our country has ever been to being even. If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out? Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for. Politics has become so expensive that it takes a lot of money even to be defeated. Diplomacy is the art of saying "Nice doggie" until you can find a rock. A fool and his money are soon elected. About all I can say for the United States Senate is that it opens with a prayer and closes with an investigation. Our Constitution protects aliens, drunks, and U.S. Senators. Anything important is never left to the vote of the people. We only get to vote on some man; we never get to vote on what he is to do. Politics is applesauce. Diplomats are just as essential to starting a war as soldiers are for finishing it… You take diplomacy out of war, and the thing would fall flat in a week. I bet after seeing us, George Washington would sue us for calling him "father." There ought to be one day—just one—when there is open season on senators. The country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer. If I studied all my life, I couldn't think up half the number of funny things passed in one session of Congress. If you ever injected truth into politics you'd have no politics. Things in our country run in spite of government, not by aid of it. We don't seem to be able to check crime, so why not legalize it and then tax it out of business? Everything is changing. People are taking their comedians seriously and the politicians as a joke. Liberty doesn't work as well in practice as it does in speeches. Ohio claims they are due a president as they haven't had one since Taft. Look at the United States; they have not had one since Lincoln. The 1928 Republican Convention opened with a prayer. If the Lord can see His way clear to bless the Republican Party the way it's been carrying on, then the rest of us ought to get it without even asking. There is no more independence in politics than there is in jail. All I know is just what I read in the papers, and that's an alibi for my ignorance. Will Rogers was asked about the nature of his humorous remarks about politicians. "I have often said in answer to inquiries as to how I got away with kidding some of our public men, that it was because I liked all of them personally, and that if there was no malice in your heart there could be none in your gags, and I have always said I never met a man I didn't like." |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,999 Date: 07 Mar 11 - 04:14 PM Sorry about that post. Can't do a clicky on this machine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 07 Mar 11 - 04:52 PM "The war could have been won with the use of nuclear weapons and without the meddling of those infernal bastards in Washington" There were those who wanted nukes in Korea - against China. Washington stopped that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Stringsinger Date: 07 Mar 11 - 05:10 PM The Tea Party is a front organization for the Koch Brothers and the Americans For Prosperity. They are misguided and angry people who don't realize that they are being screwed by corporate interests and made to believe propaganda rather than deal with real facts. The facts are clear. Rich people don't want to share the burden of taxes. Billions are being spent in two failed wars. Republicans are fighting "culture war" issues instead of taking care of jobs. Jobs will not be created by Corporate America because it diminishes their bottom line. The real America is beginning to stand up. Anyone who brings a gun to a political event in my opinion is a terrorist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Mar 11 - 05:36 PM Laughing My Ass Off! Guess 999, I loved your quotes!!! Hey, guys..Obama is doing the same thing Bush did!..and that includes LYING!..and one of the most ironic things is some of you think the Democrats are honest!!!!..and even more honest than the Republicans!!! Now, just for shits and giggles, what specifically is John Perkins lying about?? (not that I believe or disbelieve him)....and being as their are so many loyal Democrats here, I suppose you all supported LBJ and the Vietnam war!!!!!! Choke on that one! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 07 Mar 11 - 08:18 PM Not me, GfinS... Nor did I support Richard Nixon or Ford... Vietnam was messed up and LBJ and Nixon kept it messed up... I don't know which one was worse when it came to Vietnam... Johnson, however, gets credit for the courage (insanity) he showed in pushing thru the Civil Rights Act and the Great Society... That ttok some balls (insanity) because he even said that in the case of the Civil Right Act that he was killing off his own party in the South for what he said would be "a generation"... He was wrong there... It killed off the Democratic Party in the south for 100 years... Maybe a 1000 years??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,999 Date: 07 Mar 11 - 09:33 PM GfS: I can take no credit. They came off the internet. My apologies for not attributing when I posted. That said, I really liked Will Rogers from the first time I met his humour in a book about his life. I'm with you in some ways: tired of batting my head against various walls. Video (in ten parts) performed by Hal Holbrook: it's called "Mark Twain Tonight". I saw the show on tv back in the late 1960s. I think you'll enjoy it, although I expect you've seen it before. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 07 Mar 11 - 11:30 PM ".. . supported LBJ and the Vietnam war. . . ." You've gotta be kidding!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Mar 11 - 03:33 AM Bobertz: "Johnson, however, gets credit for the courage (insanity) he showed in pushing thru the Civil Rights Act and the Great Society..." Yes, he must have made a 'deal' from the time he single handedly blocked integration in 1959, under Eisenhower!!!(Betcha' didn't know that, did ya'?) Bobertz: "Vietnam was messed up and LBJ and Nixon kept it messed up... I don't know which one was worse when it came to Vietnam..." Well, I'm certainly NO fan of Tricky Dick, and say what you will.......but he did get us out of Vietnam...didn't he?....NOT Johnson. Ironic, how some of you are such ardent staunch Democratic devotees, but it was THEM that got you started, protesting our government!! Boy!..They did a job on you!!! No wonder you can't tell if you're comin' or goin'! A lot of us, out here in Mudcat-Land, just marvel at the stuff you peddle, right from DNC talking points, which are really, always the 'truth', right?..I mean, come on...don't a lot of you scramble around looking for a justification of the hypocrisy that oozes out of Washington, just to uphold 'somebody's bullshit' party line(as in 'excuse'), worn out catch phrases, that somehow, are being swallowed up, by the actions of these clowns, that sold it to you?????? I'm not a Republican, nor a Tea Partier...but land sakes alive, can't you even CONSIDER that the Dems have SHOWN that they are easy prey for rejection????..just out of the amount of lies and excuses they have to give to cover their asses!!!! This is who I want to represent ME????...YOU?????....some hustler special interest schmuck, maybe..but NOT the ideals that we all claim to admire!!!! Oh, well....if there is an 'excuse', you can always couch it with, "It's for the children, sniff, sniff" GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST Date: 08 Mar 11 - 04:59 AM And so you can clearly see the 2 party bias that pervades most US political thinking due to their first past the post voting and which the participants can not notice - other countries with more than 2 entrenched parties are less prone to this blind dichotomous thinking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST Date: 08 Mar 11 - 05:00 AM Ok the Cookie Monster struck again ... Foolestroupe |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 08 Mar 11 - 08:12 AM No, Nixon didn't get *US* out of Vietnam, GfinS... The Vietnamese did... I mean, let's dabble in reality for a minute here... During the '68 campaign Nixon went around telling everyone that he had a... ..."Secret Plan" to get *US* out of Vietnam!!! That was 1968... When did the Vietnam War end, GfinS??? '69??? 70??? 71??? No, 72???, How about '73??? Nope, not yet... Well, then it must have been '74, right... Nope, still going on... Reality is that it was not until April of 1975!!! Seven years after Nixon's announcement of his "Secret Plan"... During those year Nixon bombed the crap out North Vietnam and Cambodia trying to stop the movement of supplies and manpower and it didn't work... We also saw witnessed the Tet Offensive which clearly wasn't part of Nixon's "Secret Plan"... No, to say that Nixon got *US* out of Vietnam does not do justice to reality... Speaking of justice??? Have you ever listened to any of the LBJ tapes, GfinS??? Man, they are very enlightening... Like Robert Byrd, Johnson did make some very fundamental changes in his thinking about racism and deserves credit for making those changes... That's the "courage" part that I, as well as most students of history, appreciate in Johnson... I mean, we have to give credit where credit is due least our thinking becomes so one-dimensional that we are not able to think critically... If you were to ask the older black people, especially in the South, what they thought of LBJ you'd be surprised to find that a deep respect for 'ol Lyndon... That speaks more than anything... Of course, Dr. King had a lot to do with it because he worked Lyndon purdy hard... But, hey... ...we do need to accept that bad people can change and do good things and Lyndon did just that even if it was at the expense of the Democratic Party in the South... As for rejecting the Dems??? Hey, what we have here is a complete imbalance of information and it is skewed way right... I mean, by today's standards, Dwight Eisenhower would be a flaming leftist so it is understandable that uninformed people hold uninformed views... In other words... ...garbage in = garbage out!!! Square business... B~ |
